17-year-old charged in relation to brewery fireFriday, February 08, 2013 by: SooToday.com Staff
Update to fire
Bay Street has been opened to traffic; however Spring Street between Foster Drive and Bay Street remains closed.
Detectives from Investigation Services are continuing their investigation into the fire.
An investigator from the Ontario Fire Marshall’s office will be attending to assist with the investigation.
Damage to the building is described as extensive.
Late last evening, investigators charged a 17-year-old female with one count of arson and one count of breach of probation.
She will appear in court on March 12, 2013.
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Brianne 2/8/2013 12:17:54 PM Report
Wow, that young lady will have quite the hefty bill to pay !
Spyyder 2/8/2013 12:24:09 PM Report
She's a patsy for big industry, wrong place wrong time, gotta blame somebody!
JitterinOnRitalin 2/8/2013 12:30:28 PM Report
rcssm69 2/8/2013 12:39:01 PM Report
That was quick!!! Way to go SSM Police Services!!! I'm sure this forum will probably blame you for not catching her before she started the fire!
graphix-guy 2/8/2013 12:51:35 PM Report
Hmmm that was quicker than they charged Lee Harvey Oswald....lol So, so sketchy this is unbelievable!! Poorly executed scheme but you'll still get your insurance money so don't worry! ;)
troubador 2/8/2013 12:52:01 PM Report
or say she's a patsy for
Brianne 2/8/2013 1:00:30 PM Report
Why does everyone think there will be insurance money. It was slated for tear down..... there will be no money handed over from insurance.
Wobbler 2/8/2013 1:01:51 PM Report
Young Offenders Act or not; if the police have no doubt she is the one who did this, she should be charged as an adult!! Too many "young offenders" are getting away with too much and who, but the taxpayers are left to foot the bill!!
I know I will offend some people with this: but parents and caregivers should be given some responsibility in the crimes their children commit!!
Kudos to the parents who know where their kids are and what they are doing!!! You are working and have worked hard at raising your children to be hard working and responsible adults and it shows!!
Sam C 2/8/2013 1:09:04 PM Report
Brianne... I'm not sure that is the case. The building still has some value, regardless of what may be planned for it. Whether or not it was insured is another matter.
Having said that, even if it was insured, I doubt it was deliberately torched as an insurance fraud.
Wicket 2/8/2013 1:13:14 PM Report
Rumour has it that the buildings were being used by "homeless" and druggies... That being said, anything could have caused it if people were even smoking in there, let alone doing anything else.
Quit being so quick to blame the owners for 'staging' this fire.
willoweep 2/8/2013 1:24:35 PM Report
It's very possible she bragged to the wrong Friend,or the outside chance she told her Parents.
It's so easy to blame the Parents but it's not always something the Parents did or didn't do.
This isn't the "Good old days" Schools and peers have taught them there is little or nothing the Parents can actually do in the way of discipline.
Though no credit to her, no one working that Fire were hurt ,that would bring the whole thing to a different level.
Thankfully it was a deserted building scheduled for demolition,and not the Seniors apt building down the street .
Guess what I am saying is ,she's not a Monster ,but already on probation at seventeen?
That young Lady needs a serious attitude adjustment.
Sad to say ,no one is really allowed to give her one.
sweetc 2/8/2013 1:32:00 PM Report
Wobbler: do you know that if your child is over 14 years old you can't even force them to come home. You are still legally responsible for them until age 18, however if they choose not to come home there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. And I am talking from experience with my daughter. She choose not to come home for 3 days and the police told me I couldn't do anything about it. If the police deem that she is in a safe place ie: with a friend or friend's parents we were not able to make her come home. these are the legalities so quit blaming parents for these kids gone bad. it is not always the parents fault.
greeneyeds 2/8/2013 2:08:18 PM Report
Considering how many people put their lives at risk to fight a fire, if she was my daughter I don't know if she'd want the police to send her home with me.
FirstChairLastCall 2/8/2013 2:13:21 PM Report
None of you even know if she lives at home. None of you know how she even started this fire.
What if she is homeless and started a fire to stay warm and is one of the people you "heard" is living in that building?
None of you know anything other than what this report tells you. Period.
FirstChairLastCall 2/8/2013 2:14:54 PM Report
Her "breach of probation" possibly should have been addressed long ago IF she left home and her parents or guarantor never reported it. She COULD have been living there for awhile.
I don't know. You don't know.
tbbs 2/8/2013 2:51:19 PM Report
instead of fire hoses the fire department should've brought marshmallows and wennies!! i say they shoud've let it burn, darn eyesore downtown......this does not mean i condone arson in any way......for all you "reactors" out there..
rcssm69 2/8/2013 2:57:20 PM Report
tbbs....do you condone arson??? LOL
harry dick 2/8/2013 3:46:24 PM Report
the sad thing about this girl's age is that the law protects her 100%. there isn't much that the courts can do to her , "she is 'under 18" years old. she will not do any time or have to re-pay anything. if you are under 18 years old , it is a licence to go wild and not have to pay the price for it.
that's our government for you
.if there is any insurance on the building , the insurance company will pay, and the owners will have to pay to have the remains taken down and cleaned up.
And the girl- she will get off scott free, as they all do.
Jacinta 2/8/2013 4:06:17 PM Report
If this young lady lived in the US
she would def be charged as an adult. The US charges children as young as 13 to life in prison.
Arson is a serious crime, and l am certain that she will recieve a custodial sentence
Jacinta 2/8/2013 4:08:02 PM Report
Do you actually think she will have to pay financially for what she allegedly did?
Lets remember she hasn't been convicted of any crime
Jacinta 2/8/2013 4:09:54 PM Report
l'm surprised she wasn't held in jail before her first court appearance.
That she was allowed free on bail is amazing
Jacinta 2/8/2013 4:11:57 PM Report
The building was to be demolished next month.
My mother works at the chamber of commerce
LAWL 2/8/2013 4:24:49 PM Report
Jacinta. The US sends people as young as 13 to prison for life, not to be the good guy but because prisons are private corporations. That is 250k a year for life. Better than winning the lottery x 8 million!
Johnedater 2/8/2013 4:25:16 PM Report
omg..the cynics are out in full force already.....pathetic, don't you have anything meaningful to do in your life other than post assumptions on here!
Dr.Experience 2/8/2013 5:18:01 PM Report
Even if they were to get insurance money....which they probably aren't....they would have to pay it to the city.....I am pretty sure the brewery owed a lot of back taxes???
riverman 2/8/2013 5:30:46 PM Report
@ Dr. Experience:
The city sold the building to recoup the unpaid taxes. There was a whole big deal about which levels of government were going to get a piece of that pie. I can't be certain, but I think the city's taxes were the only outstanding debts covered by the sale of fhe property. Anybody else who was owed money never got a penny. So there are no taxes due on this property...unless the new owners are in arrears.
guestwho 2/8/2013 5:52:12 PM Report
Does anyone know if she had a permit or will she be fined for this??
Lyne G 2/8/2013 6:00:01 PM Report
There is a lot of judging of the minor. We don't know what the situation is like at home for her.
There is also a lot of comments regarding her parent(s). Influence from friends often trumps any upbringing, that is why you can find in the best of families one that has gone astray.
Prejudice? Yes, most of you are pre-judging someone you don't even know.
frizz 2/8/2013 6:17:32 PM Report
Dont need to know her...or the situation. Burning things down just isnt acceptable.
Norm 2/8/2013 6:29:38 PM Report
No one on here knows anything about the fire and who started. So let's go on with our lives until the truth comes out.
Wobbler 2/8/2013 6:54:31 PM Report
No I did not know about the law about 14 year olds. I guess I had no reason to know about it when my child was that age. Thank you.
I was not painting all parents whose children break the law or damage someone else's property with the same brush. I do believe however, that children brought up with morals and the knowledge of right and wrong are less likely to commit crimes.
I feel that anyone who has their child's friend who is 14 to eighteen in their homes and refuses to send them home definitely has something wrong with them.
And I still believe that parents and caregivers should have some responsibility for the crimes their children commit.
Maybe then, those parents will get together and protest in front of our federal government offices to get rid of the Young Offenders Act that has never worked since its inception!!!!! All it has done is give kids a slap on the wrist and sends them back out to break the law again. Then magically their criminal records disappear when they become 18.
JustMe1234567 2/8/2013 7:08:31 PM Report
Northern Breweries Fire, accidental or conspiracy? Story at 11.
I love that there are Soo sleuths with active imaginations.
Tom_Bom 2/8/2013 8:17:19 PM Report
Back when i was 17 I was trying to score beer(not endorsing the notion)... not burn a brewery to the ground. Kids these days.
iamtc 2/8/2013 8:21:45 PM Report
who cares this building was coming down anyways plus it gives the fire fighters something to do they get paid most of the time to do nothing think of it as training
sparoma 2/8/2013 8:31:08 PM Report
iamtc that was such an ignorant statement. What is someone had been hurt in this fire?
BRIT 2/8/2013 8:43:07 PM Report
Notwithstanding that if the LOCAL people of this town actually bought LOCALLY, the building would still hold a thriving business. Strange that no one has commented on the fact that no one died, thankfully.
Big it up for the Essar Centre, now thoughtfully renamed because the previous 'out of town' brewers went bust...
BRIT 2/8/2013 8:45:35 PM Report
oh and iatc, be very THANKFUL that the firefighters are prepared to go into a burning building - to save lives, you know - the dangerous bit that you DON'T do
cliff76 2/8/2013 8:53:09 PM Report
I'd be curious to know if she had anything to do with the house fire on korah rd, back a couple weeks ago?
anabanana 2/8/2013 9:18:39 PM Report
I am with you, on this one Norm
iamtc 2/8/2013 11:21:42 PM Report
The building was empty the only thing that died was the brewery because the beer was not that good anyways as for fire department they are heros but dont have a big workload in this city. its as dangerous working late night shift at macs gore street --- fireman goes into burning building risky -- macs employee getting robbed every other night sometimes with weapons very risky.
Bad Dawg 2/8/2013 11:53:31 PM Report
Judges in Canada are pretty harsh on arsonists. She could be looking at up to 14 years and lengthy probation!!
sinikka 2/9/2013 1:55:07 AM Report
alot of bleeding hearts here for the poor 17 year old girl. All we know for sure is that the building has been burned down putting the lives of firemen and emergency services at risk. We also are told that this girl has been charged with arson for burning down this building. Those of you that were insinuating that the existing owners had anything to do with this crime are now eating crow. Unless of course you believe that these big corporate owners hired a 17 year old girl to do their dirty work. Yes brilliant plan. As well it is naive to think that there was insurance on the building as in its present state it would have been improbable that any insurance company would issue a policy, especially being vacant. .
ARainone 2/9/2013 5:04:42 AM Report
Honestly, I think everyone saying that it's an insurance scheme or complaining about the girl's parents are just like every commenter on any given negative Sootoday article... Just looking for an excuse to complain about something and accuse someone of something...
Am I the only one who notices that there are hardly any comments on positive articles, but these kinds of articles are filled with negative statements, accusations and arguments? When did the Soo become such a negative, hateful place? Jeez...
Kudos to the firefighters to getting the blaze under control, and thank God no one was hurt. As was previously stated, it's a good thing it was this place and not the senior's building down the street.
tcowen 2/9/2013 10:22:27 AM Report
"..& is one of the people you "heard" is living in that building?"
Although our numbers vary.. depends on who lied to you first, last count was 150 people immediately at risk. Another 50 people were added to that list this month.
Every and any agency you call will quote you a different number. Past experience tells me that if there's one person verified as being "Homeless" there's 5 more sleeping under their window.
Where there's smoke there's fire..