REPLAY: Fremlin, Orazietti, Ross square off on LOCAL2.caTuesday, June 03, 2014 by: SooToday.com Staff
With fewer than 10 days left before Ontario goes to the polls we have invited candidates from the major three parties to square off in the Local 2 studio.
Viewers of both SooToday.com and LOCAL 2 have helped us select a slate of questions that are sure to get the candidates talking.
Tuesday afternoon's live debate was between the three main candidates vying to represent Sault Ste. Marie as MPP in the run-up to the June 12 provincial election.
The debate was hosted by Local2.ca anchor Jasmyn Rowley, and addressed several questions of interest to Sault voters.
Issues discussed included hydro costs, the problem of student debt for postsecondary school students and grads, specialized care for the elderly, disabled and those suffering from dementia in particular, Ontario's $12.5 billion deficit, energy costs for homeowners and businesses, and the proposed Ontario pension plan.
Missed the live broadcast?
You can watch a replay of the action here.
Advance polls are open now, please get out and vote in an advance poll or on election day, June 12.
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sootodayreader 6/3/2014 2:28:46 PM Report
Wow Fremlin is clueless. I was going to vote Pc but not now.
Ross is well prepared.
O man looks like he has better things to do.
Entity 6/3/2014 2:35:48 PM Report
Rod Fremlin was totally unprepared for the debate, and would thus be totally unprepared to hold office.
steelworker 6/3/2014 2:53:25 PM Report
...interest free loan program- why not just hand out free money? Most of these loans will never be re-paid. More pie-in-the-sky from your friendly neighbourhood dippers.
sootodayreader 6/3/2014 3:18:09 PM Report
I agree steelworker but surprised you would say that since Algoma Steel is in business still because of free money the last hundred years.
Remember Bob Ray,lol
osirisptah 6/3/2014 3:25:43 PM Report
~Tosses Rod a towel. "Ya done good kid, ya done good."
pat on a bike 6/3/2014 3:32:07 PM Report
Fremlin...who called you to run for office again? you sir, shite the bed on these issues, your answers and ability
to address these questions makes me worry about how you answer simple questions like "for here or to go?"
-oi, my head.
steelworker 6/3/2014 3:37:49 PM Report
As if the dippers ever helped out Algoma Steel.
Entity 6/3/2014 3:38:06 PM Report
Steelworker: I don't know anyone who's gone to postsecondary school and managed to avoid repaying their student loan.
Even filing for bankruptcy doesn't get rid of a student loan.
justsomeguy 6/3/2014 3:45:02 PM Report
After viewing the gallery, it gives me the impression that the images published were intended to make Orazietti look good and the others look silly.
steelworker 6/3/2014 3:45:53 PM Report
This is not a partisan website. (sarc)
danno2257 6/3/2014 3:52:04 PM Report
Ross has all the brains and Orazietti cringing.
saultcitizen 6/3/2014 3:52:44 PM Report
Amazing how every single person on here has the time to look past the important issues... We had a government in power who has caused a huge deficit and uses credits as an incentive after they caused all the raises in everything that we pay. How can people be so ignorant to what is going on in this province.
This guy isn't a good debator that's obvious, but I look at the one guy who is getting paid to campaign, and all the while telling everyone of all the money his government has wasted but does it in a way that it seems okay because he knows how to b.s. the other lady is a retired school teacher and is sitting on her hefty pension. Rod is there out working in his retirement and is doing this because he wants to help the city. He doesn't have to do this stuff, and clearly doesn't like debates. But the man obviously doesn't have a hard time getting things done. He is a worker who can work Harder than those other 2 combined
steelworker 6/3/2014 3:58:19 PM Report
Poor Rod has to really work on his B.S. just to keep up with the other two. The Liberal and NDP candidates have had years to get to this level of bulls$%#.
justsomeguy 6/3/2014 4:02:07 PM Report
Fremlin was certainly outmatched for a debate forum. He looked nervous at the onset just being on camera. Orazietti has no excuse but to dominate in such a forum with his experience as does Ross. How can anyone possibly match the BS quotient of a lawyer & former teacher?
steelworker 6/3/2014 4:05:07 PM Report
It's like having Godzilla and King Kong beating up on the Cabbage Patch Kids.
cathyh 6/3/2014 4:12:31 PM Report
Why did Mr. Fremlin agree to be the conservatives sacrificial lamb?
saultcitizen 6/3/2014 4:15:48 PM Report
We are all still missing the point here everyone. Rod kept referring back to it because its the most relevant issue that is being completely boycotted. We owe too much money! All this money being promised to everyone is money that isn't truly available. If this debt gets any higher the CPP and OHIP that is promised to be better will not exist at all. "We need to work together to fix this" is what rod said, and if you help Mr. B.s. or Mrs. No interest on loans the government doesn't have money to give out in the first place... We are essentially making our own noose
Justin Tetreault 6/3/2014 4:22:35 PM Report
Who is the lawyer in your scenario?
saultcitizen 6/3/2014 4:24:52 PM Report
Pretty sure Orazietti was a school teacher.
justsomeguy 6/3/2014 4:25:55 PM Report
That was my mistake, I had misunderstood Orazietti to be a lawyer.
saultcitizen 6/3/2014 4:29:06 PM Report
You know what though, you are right. No party is perfect, as that doesn't exist. But I for one cannot believe that people can excuse the fact that the Liberal government has made countless awful decisions, cost this province billions of dollars in wasted spending, put us completely in debt, raised energy costs nearly triple, and we as a population think it is okay and to allow this government power again? I don't understand how people's minds work? Why because they promise a tax credit, or rebate? They raised the amounts to extreme heights. Come on people you can't be that silly to not understand something so simple.
This is your opportunity for change, and you want to keep things going in the directions that they currently are? Sheep to the a slaughter house is what Ontarian Citizens are.
KiwiOnASticK 6/3/2014 4:30:56 PM Report
saultcitizen = Rod?
saultcitizen 6/3/2014 4:43:42 PM Report
Not quite sir. Just someone who seems to be more well informed than most users of Sootoday
Back2the90s 6/3/2014 4:44:06 PM Report
Rod Fremlin thinks we should hire more front line healthcare workers for nursing homes? How is he going to square that circle with what his leader is planning on doing. Maybe he'll vote Liberal if he realizes the contradiction between what he is saying and what his party is saying.
As for the NDP wanting to eliminate redundancy to save money... nothing is more redundant than creating a Ministry of Savings when that already exists, it's called the Ministry of Finance, but it doesn't surprise me that a bunch of new democrats couldn't figure out what the Ministry of Finance does, they didn't bother paying attention to that pesky ministry when they were in power.
Paddlenut 6/3/2014 4:45:43 PM Report
We understand perfectly citizen. A vote for the Liberals is not an endorsement of their misdeeds nor the state of the province's finances. I believe many Liberals voters will be holding their noses as they stick to their party. Why? Because they don't believe that a leader who has such disdain for the public service yet has spent his entire career at its trough is telling you the truth about his intentions. They are wary of electing a man who has offered no tangible contribution to this province other than spewing right-wing ideology at photo-ops for the past 20 years. This is Canada, and Canada has a centrist or centre-left society. Mr. Hudak speaks only for the right and has time and time again shown his unwillingness to work with others or compromise. That's why.
saultcitizen 6/3/2014 4:53:16 PM Report
Good post Paddle.
Just a simple question however, directed to everyone. If we have a province with approximately 6.5M working private sector and self-employeed jobs how can we pay for the 1.3M public sector jobs?
People, look at the numbers and tell me that they are acceptable? How can we think adding government jobs is at all acceptable, a solution to job creation, etc. Some people on this site seem quite educated so it is confusing to think that this is something that can be supported. Public jobs are far from an answer; its counterproductive in all reality
osirisptah 6/3/2014 4:54:20 PM Report
I don't recall a time where I was so befuddled as to whom shall get my vote. It's as though I've been asked which finger I fancy least to have it lopped off.
KiwiOnASticK 6/3/2014 5:00:15 PM Report
The sad thing is that there's a good chunk of the population that could write the candidate's debate answers years in advance.
The conservative candidate will slash tax and services while blaming some demographic that will likely never vote for them for all of the world's problems.
The NDP candidate will play Robin Hood. They'll talk about taxing the rich to give to the poor.
And the Liberal candidate will sit in the middle trying to play safe. They will try not to offend anyone, while offending everyone at the same time.
Wouldn't it be nice to invite someone new to the table. Maybe someone who realizes that you can't always take a left or right wing approach to every issue. But at the same time, someone with new ideas and not afraid to make changes because yesterday's solutions won't solve tomorrow's problems.
Oh wait, this is Ontario and we only invite the same 3 parties to every debate.
Paddlenut 6/3/2014 5:09:21 PM Report
The real and very pressing dilemma is the pending demographic shift. Both private sector and public sector employment will undergo significant transformation over the next decade as the boomers retire en-masse. And that will lead to tremendous stress on the health care system and significant labour shortages in all sectors, some more than others. If this province does not plan for this, the issues and rethoric in this election will pale in comparison to those of the 2024 election. But we'll hear the same thing. Cut corporate taxes, fire public servants, allow beer in corner stores. I truly wish political debate in this province and country would be a little more civil. I do not envy politicians in this climate and the expectations we place on them as saviours of all ills. It's just ridiculous that we place such demands on one person or party. But look at these comments. We, as a society, have made politics unattractive for all but the most thick-skinned narcissists. And we get what we deserve.
LSARC 6/3/2014 5:11:02 PM Report
It is refreshing to hear a candidate who doesn't sound like a politician...two Auditor's General now have shown that the numbers produced by this Ontario Government and certain Cabinet Ministers in particular are so far off that they must be either deliberate misrepresentation or utter incompetence.
The greed energy disaster alone is a job-killing debt-ballooning inheritance which we leave our grand children. History will not treat this folly kindly.
IgnorantNortherner 6/3/2014 5:11:45 PM Report
Well said, Kiwi. All three parties seem to constantly analyze the symptoms and throw around money and rhetoric pretending to make things better while always managing to avoid discussing or dealing with the root problems. They're all thieving bastards, imo.
Rod seems like a great guy who I'd be happy to vote for if he was backed by one of the parties that hasn't been complicit in the corruption for so long like the Greens or Libertarians, coincidentally the two parties with candidates who seemed to have something worthwhile to say yet were not invited to this debate.
Also, David O graduated law school so that makes him a lawyer in my books.
sootodayreader 6/3/2014 5:19:22 PM Report
Either way liberals need to go.
O man is a con especially when he talked about the northern electricity rebates. Problem is many families make too much by government standards to get a nickel back.
O's Northern Electric rebate equals zero for my family, thanks ozoo
scottstewy123 6/3/2014 5:25:11 PM Report
I too am not impressed with the PC campaign. Now I do not know Mr Fremlin personally. Maybe he has trouble with public speaking. I do not know. Having said that I am very disappointed with the PC party.There was no preparation on this election whatso ever. by the PC party of Ontario. The NDP was far more prepared. I heard more Lies by David O. I wished they would have hammered David more on the scandals . But I think I have to vote NDP on this round just to toss David O out to the curb. But to those that vote the LIEBRALS back you deserve your hydro rates to be increased by 40 to 50 percent. remember ORNGE, 1 billion dollar Gas plant scandal, the green energy tax, HST and the many more other scandals that stick to the Liberals. Come on Ontario wake up
DavPic 6/3/2014 6:09:12 PM Report
Who cares if Fremlin was prepared or not? It doesn't matter who our local representative is, what matters is what party is going to bring Ontario out of the dump. I hope people don't vote based on which local representative they like, vote should be based on party platform and leader. Fremlin, Orazietti, Ross... it's irrelevant which one won this debate... this election isn't about Sault Ste Marie... it's about Ontario.
Please I urge all of you, vote Blue, Red, Orange, or Green.... not Fremlin, Orazietti, Ross, or Flannigan.
sootodayreader 6/3/2014 7:00:10 PM Report
I just want to vote for the party who can get rid of the Liberals and there spending spree.
sootodayreader 6/3/2014 7:01:42 PM Report
Is it Blue or Orange. Let's all vote the same and get the blood stain out
IgnorantNortherner 6/3/2014 7:22:11 PM Report
...but all any of them do is go on spending sprees!
Maybe the PCs will cut a bunch of public sector jobs and further reduce already miserable healthcare and education services but when they cut corporate taxes (as they always seem ready to do) that's still going on a spending spree. They are anything but the FISCAL conservatives they pretend to be.
If they didn't have different party colours I would think the NDP, Liberal and PCs are all the same corrupt party. Actually, I do think they're all the same.
"One Big Circle Jerk" they could call themselves and then maybe you guys n gals would see it.
sootodayreader 6/3/2014 7:39:28 PM Report
All I see from the liberals is spending that I have to pay for with no benefit to me or my family.
I do get a nice bill on my taxes now for Heath care and in fairness rebates to I don't qualify for.
When I do use the health care services I get a bill to park and a user fee as well.
Thanks Liberals, tax and spend works for who??
scottstewy123 6/3/2014 8:35:19 PM Report
Well saw the Leaders debate and Premier wannabe got slammed down. She is scared
Blazzinn 6/3/2014 8:37:18 PM Report
Lets be real here people.. All this talk about the plant is redundant because all of the parties supported the idea at the time and now choose to point fingers.. Its clear Rob is not really qualified for this position, and the NDP are literally liberals with a worse track record(Rae days).. Other than the "scandal" excuses, I've yet to hear a legitimate reason why the NDP called for this election which ultimately wastes tax dollars and stops one of the most progressive budgets our province has seen in decades.. Sorry guys, but I'll stick with the Liberals this time around.
happy camper 6/3/2014 9:01:49 PM Report
if bozo the clown was running I would vote for him as I would then know who was there!
All Is Well 6/3/2014 10:14:19 PM Report
Scottstewy. That's your unbiased opinion of tonight's debate? Considering you are voting either for Andrea Mulroney or for Tim slash and burn Hudak, your opinion doesn't mean anything to anybody.
Longlake 6/3/2014 10:20:53 PM Report
I've said it before and I'll say it again. In no way do the Liberals deserve to be re-elected after all the scandals and waste of our tax payers dollars.
As for a progressive budget, it shouldn't be any trouble to draft up another one that perhaps addresses the deficit position we find ourselves in. Don Drummond wrote a good report how to deal with the situation, and the Liberals essentially ignored his advice.
I think Kathleen Wynne is a good person, however 4 years in opposition should be their penalty.
Back2the90s 6/3/2014 10:46:01 PM Report
IgnorantNortherner ... You've proven that you truly do deserve your username. David O is not a lawyer, he's a teacher. Always has been. He went to teachers college. He taught for the ADSB. He never went to law school, never graduated law school, and has never been a lawyer. Learn your facts
All Is Well 6/3/2014 10:51:57 PM Report
And so saultcitizen, you know more than all the rest on here and everybody else in the Sault are sheep. NICE.
Oreo cookie 6/4/2014 12:02:15 AM Report
Rod Fremln isn't a professional politician or feckless left wing educator with no understanding of the PRIVATE SECTOR. People not employed in the Private sector or dependent on social programs shouldn't even be permitted to vote let alone run for political office. Many of these people are concerned with one thing from their elected officials, "what will you do for me" and "how much money do I get". People should pay as much attention to economics and politics as they do a meaninglessness hockey game or gay marriage. An honest politician will promise to do everything in his power to remove the barriers to prosperity and economic advancement and nothing more, a healthy economy will look after the people far better than a BIG GOVERNMENT that preaches providence and social justice...ostensibly concerned for the welfare of the righteously indignant and the unwashed masses. Orazietti and Ross know nothing about Private Sector business other than the fact that it's a cow to be milked and then slaughtered. Hey how's that global warming hoax working out for you? $500.00 a month for hydro so a phony sooth sayer like david suzuki can get more useless wind and solar energy funding. The phony liberals want more of our money and the ndp want to confiscate it all.
VOTE WITH YOUR BRAIN
Blazzinn 6/4/2014 2:18:26 AM Report
Common Oreo, you can't tell people to vote with their brain when your telling them to vote for a candidate that is horribly unqualified and can't even stick to his own parties platform (hiring more service workers while Hudak plans on cutting thousands).. If people want an effective government, their only real choice are the Liberals (for this election at least) because the NDP can't dream to actually form a government, and noone likes Hudak.
WTF4 6/4/2014 7:17:58 AM Report
I can't imagine how anyone could be stupid enough to vote Liberal again after all the corruption and waste that has been evident in the last 11 years in Ontario...What is wrong with you!! Wake up and pay attention!!! This party is killing the province with debt...the only time they show up with a hand full of cash for the north is when they want to bullshit you into voting for them.
Back2the90s 6/4/2014 7:20:13 AM Report
You're right Oreo, someone who worked as a firefighter his whole career and gets a fat public pension must really understand the private sector. David O, on the other hand, doesn't get a pension because MPPs don't get pension.
sootodayreader 6/4/2014 8:24:10 AM Report
Back2the90's mpp's may not get a pension plan but they get something better a handsome compensation plan and a locked in retirement account based on the years served.
It is a lot of money
Montec 125 6/4/2014 9:19:14 AM Report
Tough decisions all around. Disgruntled with candidates or parties. Still the books need to balance in order to proceed without sinking. Must trim the fat but still maintain a workable system. Which one will accomplish such a task? Compare the current Provincial
debt to a personal credit card that is maxed out with interest climbing at light speed. Should be an easy decision. Look at track records and remember the Credit Card scenario. Nuff said.
Hmmm 6/4/2014 11:16:19 AM Report
I think it is commendable that five local citizens have offered their names to stand as candidates in the upcoming provincial election. No matter how we individually assess their respective platforms or personalities, how many of us would unselfishly and willingly subject ourselves to such minute scrutiny and personal attacks? Only one of these five fine citizens will win this contest. To assure that the better representative for our community is selected we must each do our part...VOTE...on or prior to June 12th.
Blazzinn 6/4/2014 3:09:19 PM Report
To the people talking about scandals blah blah blah, every party supported the closure of those plants so they would be just as much to blame as the Liberals. Also, provincial debt is nothing like credit card debt, so lets just forget that analogy all together... There is no reason to balance a budget other than to stifle growth when it is much needed, and make people who aren't very informed happy to hear a sound byte. Quit voting for local candidates and look up party platforms, theres only 1 party who has anything worth looking forward to (Liberals). I'm still waiting for someone to explain why this election was necessary other than the imaginary scandals happening that everyone had a hand in.
WTF4 6/5/2014 6:26:25 AM Report
Blazzin...you oughta have your head read...there's something broken in there...