MNR says dogs will be shotMonday, March 24, 2014 by: Michael Purvis
Conservation officers are hunting two dogs that the Ministry of Natural Resources says it has confirmed were responsible for killing deer in the Point Aux Pins Drive area.
“If we are able to identify the dog owners, we will likely charge them and the dogs themselves are going to be shot,” said Jolanta Kowalski, an MNR spokesperson.
Earlier this week, residents of Alagash Drive and Pointe Aux Pins Drive contacted SooToday.com with concerns that a pair of dogs had gone wild and killed three deer in the area.
A reader provided photos of two well-cared-for dogs, one of which was wearing a collar.
Kowalski said MNR staff have confirmed it is dogs that are responsible for chasing down deer and killing them. She said one of the dogs has tags, suggesting it is not a stray.
She said conservation officers were out looking for the dogs Monday afternoon and that the dogs would be “dispatched” as soon as it could be done safety.
She said shooting the dogs is standard practice in situations like this, which she said is not unusual.
It is illegal to allow dogs to chase down deer outside hunting season, Kowalski said.
“Deer are having a difficult enough time this winter as it is,” said Kowalski.
Experts have warned that a large number of deer are threatened this winter due to deep snow and cold weather that has prevented the animals from getting to food sources.
A helicopter pilot offered another theory about who might have been responsible for the deer carcassas after witnessing a pack of wolves north of town.
Phil Glave, of Eagle Feather Aviation, said he was flying clients over the Prince wind farm about a week and a half ago when he spotted something unusual.
“Much to my surprise, close (to town) and in Prince Township, we came across wolves,” said Glave.
“None of them have collars on.”
Glave said he thinks the wolves are much more likely to be the culprits, and he wants to warn people in the area to be careful when outdoors with children and with discarding food items that might lure the wolves to residential areas.
“Wolves are serious,” said Glave.
Video of the wolves captured by one of Glave’s passengers shows a half-dozen of the animals bounding through the snow.
However, Kowalski said the culprits in this case have been identified.
“We know that it was definitely dogs. Not coyotes, not wolves. Dogs,” she said.
Go to Local2.ca to watch video of the wolves Glave spotted.
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phantom 3/24/2014 4:26:27 PM Report
Look how quick the MNR is going to "dispatch" dogs but don't worry about the big black bears roaming in your back yard!
superior87 3/24/2014 4:34:33 PM Report
I'd be far more scared of coming across dogs that have 'gone wild' than a black bear.
bounder 3/24/2014 4:37:45 PM Report
So protecting wildlife, shoot the dogs, why did they shoot the Lynx in Timmins, double standard, the only thing is animals don't know the difference, so shooting them is the solution.
Boomer4771 3/24/2014 4:40:45 PM Report
Why don't you educate yourself about the dangers of wild dogs before you make a statement....
benjicanfreak 3/24/2014 4:42:04 PM Report
Hopefully someone else finds these dogs before the MNR does and can arrange to have them humanely euthanized, rather than being shot, which is completely unnecessary.
It is not their fault that they have been allowed to roam freely and have reverted back to primal instincts.
People who can't care for their pets properly should not have them.
Their owners should be charged, which we all know won't happen.
The Canadian Justice System is a load of crap.
Hunter101 3/24/2014 4:46:45 PM Report
benjicanfreak, when something is shot it dies within seconds. Trust me, its not that inhumane.
However, seeing as the MNR probably couldn't hit an elephant you do have an argument.
The MNR are absolutely useless.
Ski-Dude 3/24/2014 4:47:07 PM Report
Anyway to save their lives humanely? According to the info on here these dogs were once domesticated.
uncle gary 3/24/2014 4:47:13 PM Report
Well said Boomer. Benji in a perfect world these animals would be caught and put to sleep but sometimes dangerous situations call for drastic action. Such a sad situation caused by terrible dog owners. Some people should not be allowed to have animals !
Bad Dawg 3/24/2014 4:47:35 PM Report
I say shoot the owners because you can rehabilitate the dogs. There is no chance in fixing those owners...... clearly idiots
Unkle Kracker 3/24/2014 4:49:37 PM Report
How will they know they have the right dogs.... are they going to shoot the first dogs they see that look like the ones in the pictures.... Wolves have been spotted in the area.... nice to know the MNR is actually capable of doing something......
Shortz 3/24/2014 4:52:32 PM Report
Phantom pretty much said the first thing that came to my mind.
SimsDrum 3/24/2014 4:52:36 PM Report
Its the Dogs with Blood on their fur!!
bruno-b 3/24/2014 4:54:07 PM Report
What....MNR will shoot these dogs ,this is very inhumane,and very wrong, I live on Third line and creek road and we see wolves every day as they cut through our yard, The MINISTRY of NO REASON has no reason or right to kill someones family pet,it will be devastating to the pet owners and the familys.If this happens I guess, if my dog chases a duck or goose at the park and kills it, the MNR can shoot my dog, Now if the Lynx in the east end kills a small dog or cat its OK, MNR is run by people that shoot before they think ,major dumb statement MNR
Killer_Spawn 3/24/2014 4:54:52 PM Report
I just want to know how they would determine that the dogs they intend to shoot are the dogs that are killing the deer. Also not to mention that bite marks from wolves vs a dog's bite are almost indistinguishable from one another, so how was it confirmed that 2 'dogs' are responsible, and how they arrived at the number 2 vs 3, 8 or even one
SimsDrum 3/24/2014 4:57:10 PM Report
Just curious? Don't those dogs look like half Wolves at least?!!!!!
right wing 3/24/2014 5:01:53 PM Report
A dog is my first choice as a family pet.
Loved and respected the ones that I have owned.
If they were mine the MNR would not have to worry about putting them down, I would do it in a heartbeat.
Any dog that attacks in the aggressive manner that is required to take down a deer cannot be trusted as a domesticated pet, period.
Klux 3/24/2014 5:04:45 PM Report
It sounds like the dear were killed by the pack of wolves in the area and not the dogs. Maybe an investigation is in order before any drastic actions are taken.
muncman 3/24/2014 5:08:30 PM Report
and how exactly do we know these dogs are responsible .... hearsay? Witness? Without actual examination of the dogs one would be inclined to give reasonable doubt prior to loading up and blasting away.
right wing 3/24/2014 5:14:11 PM Report
I counted ten wolves not a half dozen.
Where the wolves were spotted and the deer killed are quite a distance apart.
Not that wolves don't cover a large area but I am not convinced they would travel that far in the winter.
A pack this large, as is evident by the video, leave a lot of tracks...I'm sure the tracks or a pack this large would be noticed in an area as residential as Alagash Drive and Pointe Aux Pins Drive.
BIG BROTHER 3/24/2014 5:18:18 PM Report
The MNR can tell if it was just dogs or some other animal. There would be tell tale signs.
If the dog owners read this, an inexpensive way to keep your dogs home is the invisible fence. It works very quickly and humanely. The dog gets tasered when it attempts to leave the property. Quite simple and effective.
marchtl 3/24/2014 5:19:29 PM Report
The only thing MNR can do is Write up tickets !!
deerhunter 3/24/2014 5:21:41 PM Report
lets go hunting for wild dogs yahoo there is no license needed iam in
arizonagryphon3 3/24/2014 5:26:19 PM Report
It is amazing how certain prominent individuals in this same area allow their two black dogs to roam, said dogs have attacked and killed more than once yet the owners have only been fined and the dogs still roam free to this day. Too much.
blackhawkman 3/24/2014 5:44:37 PM Report
i called the mnr 3 times last year about a bear that keeps coming around my daughters camp at least once a week at sunnyside beach which is in city limits with no response and their now worried about 2 dogs, someone shot my dog eye for an eye
Lleoy 3/24/2014 5:45:39 PM Report
Your so close to the zoo, you can come watch when we feed them to the lions.
Just Curious 3/24/2014 5:47:18 PM Report
Haven't seen this many air head responses in a long time. Everyone thinks their particular dog is the best one in the world, I know I do. But, if he attacked and killed anything, he's toast and that's it. One of the reasons I don't have a large-breed animal..
rw, it pisses me off when I have to agree with you, so stop it.....:
bugalugs 3/24/2014 5:48:20 PM Report
The dogs are hungry....if they were taken care of they wouldn't do this!
bounder 3/24/2014 5:48:30 PM Report
Who says they're wild dogs, anyone see a sign on them.
Tame dogs chasing deer maybe.
But the solution kill kill kill murder.
Authorities response always escalates to violence.
Boomer 4771,why don't you educate yourself, wild dogs in Africa, Australia and a few other places, not here.
yvonny 3/24/2014 5:48:40 PM Report
why would they shoot two dogs sdown what does that prove maybe tyhe guy should shoot the mnr guy down,,,that wierd to thinkm that way how does that protect wildlife he sho;uld sue the officer if he decides to do that
bounder 3/24/2014 5:52:03 PM Report
Right wing wolves can cover 120 miles a day, no problem, so a kill here and wolves 120 miles away leaves a lot of culprits.
caress 3/24/2014 5:52:33 PM Report
Ministry of Natural Resources says it has confirmed were responsible for killing deer ? Did they see them?
How do you if these dogs gone wild?
irishfey 3/24/2014 5:54:38 PM Report
Some good responses on here except .. deerhunter.. I hope that was a joke!.. No bad dogs.. just bad owners,, but in some cases there are some dogs that have a mental inbalance and will just go bad. That is why i always say... never leave a dog ( or cat) alone with small children, you just never know when a dog will snap for an unknown reason.. as much as we love and trust them.. they are animals... I hope that every effort is made to make sure that it was the dogs and not the wolves... and.. dogs " should " be tied up!! I travel through Garden River and it breaks me heart to see dogs on the road dead! No offence to the Garden folk as i know that some people drop off their unwanted dogs on the hwy.... Shame on them!!!
razeandcrash 3/24/2014 6:04:11 PM Report
The amount of uneducated computer chair warriors on here out stands me. There's no bad dogs there's only bad owners. There are bad animals just as there are bad humans. To think otherwise you might as well euthanize yourself. Secondly your dog chases down a goose or any other animal while in your care, then yes it's your fault you should be in control of your animal. Thirdly if it was wolves or coyotes that took down the deer they would have killed it and not just left it wounded. lastly shooting an animal is humane and you got a better chance of being attacked by a "domesticated" Dothan you do wolves,bears or the dam lynx
bbcat 3/24/2014 6:05:11 PM Report
dogs kill for fun not for food
fishinbuddy 3/24/2014 6:06:31 PM Report
So the answer to dogs killing a deer is to kill the dogs. How ridiculous. Deer are likely dying in large numbers this year due to the cold and snow. A few dogs, which likely were chasing them, a natural thing for any dog to do, now must be killed. Like someone said, they do nothing about bears but hey, dogs gotta go. Honestly folks would you kill your dog. If they do kill the dogs I say we all need to let the MNR know in no uncertain terms that that is completely unacceptable. Fine the owners and give them a warning about their dogs being loose. Dogs are pack animals when one starts chasing deer the others will naturally follow. It is not necessary to kill them. For god sakes who the hell cares about a few deer there are millions of them. We shoot thousands every year. Just because a dog chases down a deer does not necessarily mean they have reverted back to a wild animal. I for one will start emailing the MNR every day if they kill those dogs. What a mentality
wallyhunter 3/24/2014 6:07:28 PM Report
Well it would not be hard to determine what animal killed the deer. The wolves kill for food and they won't leave food either. So if they killed a deer or multiple deer they would stay in the area till the deer was eaten. Wolves are lazy. If they have easy food near by they won't leave it. So it wouldn't be hard to determine if it was wolves or the dogs that killed the deer.
As far as dogs that have killed they should be put down. Once a dog has killed it can not be trusted. Those same dogs that have tasted the thrill of the hunt and the kill. What about that little kid now. Another easy kill?
Javaman 3/24/2014 6:10:23 PM Report
David O...as the minister responsible...did nothing to help feed the deer population who are suffering immensely this year. Shame oh him.
Gater 3/24/2014 6:10:32 PM Report
The next NEWS release will be ..Wait
David O announces SPRING DOG HUNT RESEDENTS ONLY
caress 3/24/2014 6:16:17 PM Report
I'm with you fishinbuddy... This is crazy where the proof/evidence?
irishfey 3/24/2014 6:31:43 PM Report
Razeandcrash.. re.. "no bad dogs, just bad owners.".. READ!!! I said that some dogs" do" go bad!....
sooperman 3/24/2014 6:31:49 PM Report
My king sheppard took off after a black and red squirrel today...can you please come by and put a bullet in him for me. ...idiots, anyone run into these clowns lately you are guilty of everything and they have a vendetta to find something to charge you with regardless..just like these dogs ...guilty of nothing just being a dog!!
cooper2006 3/24/2014 6:33:11 PM Report
People witnessed these dogs chasing and attacking deer???
I swear - some of you are nuts!
crewgrl 3/24/2014 6:38:08 PM Report
There are wolves in the area of Fifth Line east - they (or their sign) are seen often, and I frequently hear them howling at night.
And no, I have not mistaken the coyotes for wolves, we have lots of them too, different size, different scat, different paw prints, completely different sounds from wolves.
I don't know what I would do if my dogs attacked a deer - they shouldn't be running around loose to have the opportunity but once they have, I think one would have to be extra-vigilant to prevent it from happening again.
Strange though, that the MNR would go after dogs, but won't respond to bears. I guess the deer are better protected than the humans. Hmmmm.
clyde705 3/24/2014 6:42:09 PM Report
that black dog looks identical to mine, better shoot her too... its pretty easy to figure it out, if the deer were all eaten, it was wild animals. if theres still meat, and it was just the guts eaten out of them, theres a good chance it was dogs... wild animals are starving in all this snow
ray zinbag 3/24/2014 6:44:09 PM Report
I dog will chase any animal I think this has gotten blown way outta the park if the Mnr shot my dog that chased down and killed deer I would shot that goof. dogs are dogs FFs I'm sure that pack of 12 wolfs don't care what they eat or leave behind it's a strong pack iv seen them on base line they are not scard!!!!
mr.monty 3/24/2014 6:55:22 PM Report
I agree sooperman. the mnr are there to find you at fault somehow! next time you meet one ask them when the last time they fished or hunted. answer? they don't! they are trying to chase us from the bush to provincial parks. why do they relocate bears but not lynx!
bounder 3/24/2014 7:01:47 PM Report
I got to say this, a while back just before the Olympics Russian leader Putin was petting a Snow Leopard and our Beverly Thompson of Canada AM says look he's petting a baby Cougar.
So if our esteemed Bev can screw it up so can anyone else.
Could be Giraffes .
Camaro_Z28 3/24/2014 7:09:30 PM Report
So when a pack of wolves come onto a home owners property and find a family dog either loose or tied to a tree its fair game to attack and kill im sure several of yous have heard of the same horror stories but the minute a deer is attacked by 2 dogs everything goes in chaos and we must set an example unreal.. I wonder how many family pets have been lost to recent lynxs ya some can argue its owners neglect for leaving their animal un attended but at the end of the day there hasnt been any implementated steps to resolve any current wild life issues
coop604 3/24/2014 7:11:04 PM Report
Not sure of the background of many of the people posting on this site. Unfortunately most dogs left on the loose and hunting with another dog on the loose will kill indiscriminately. I have witnessed someone's well-fed "pets" kill several sheep as well as deer . They have an instinct to chase and rip but not to kill so usually rip out the rear end, udders (in females) and disembowel the animals while they are still running and they bleed to death. They don't bother eating any meat because they go home for their puppy chow . If anyone says "well my dog would not do that!" I can send you some pix that will ruin your supper for a week.
Regarding the bear red herring, why don't we see if the renewed hunt (which most of you have been crying for) will have the desired effect.
shju 3/24/2014 7:25:13 PM Report
I don't understand why the dogs are being shot for hunting deer? At most they are guilty of hunting without a license. And if its for food, wouldn't it allow for a justification cause for the dogs to kill for a source of food? I am not sure on the lease laws for dogs because I don't know if it applies to out of city districts.
If the ministry can gun down animals being animals then I should be able to shoot any animal that enters my property without a warrant. I have a small black bear that likes to sit in my driveway while I work in the garage. He/she doesn't bother me and I don't bother it.
Let the dogs be. They are being animals which is their right that was given to them by the government.Last time I checked we don't gun down every cat for killing a bird or rat or squirrel. Why should this be any different?
nanci 3/24/2014 7:27:40 PM Report
A Very SAD state of affairs when all we can do is "SHOOT TO KILL". I pay for a service, Humane Society/MNR? WE here in the North have a host of wild animals that we "Must" learn to live with as we inhabit their habitat. Can we not find a way to manage our domestic pets besides "Shoot to Kill"?
K FINLAYSON 3/24/2014 8:16:33 PM Report
I spent the winter of 2012 and 2013 working on a wolf project in Northern Ontario. I followed them by snowshoe, plane, snowmobile and helicopter. These animals can travel 50km in less than a week in winter. In our study area they killed hundreds of moose. They consume a moose in 48 hrs. There are thousands of wolves in Ontario.
camiol 3/24/2014 8:23:46 PM Report
I'd love to know how the MNR has "confirmed" that the dogs are responsible for killing the deer. Did they take dog DNA samples from the carcasses? Friggen ridiculous....they have no absolute proof, it's a witch hunt as far as I'm concerned. A few people complain about the dogs possibly killing deer and hysteria sets in. Why aren't they out there shooting all the wolves, coyotes and other predators that are killing deer AND family pets? No they just warn area residents to keep an eye on their beloved pets while predators are in their neighbourhoods, but yet they're willing to kill two dogs who they say have been killing deer. Idiots! Did you ever think the dogs are starving? Survival of the fittest MNR....be it wild or domesticated.
TFinn 3/24/2014 8:25:07 PM Report
It's a shame that two pets or supposed to be pets will have to be dispatched ...however I would feel absolutely horrified and sick if someone’s child or grand child would happen cross paths of these large dogs. Safety is always first for people, gone wild animals or pets must be dealt with quickly and as humanely as possible.
teets 3/24/2014 8:28:45 PM Report
I wish the raccoon ripping apart my garbage could be hunted !
blackspruce 3/24/2014 8:54:23 PM Report
Not a fan of the MNR but they do have a job to do. As a guy that trapped most of his life it is not hard to tell the difference between a wolf and a dog track. To the guy that said if his dog was go to the Park and kill some ducks would it be shot. Yes it would and should be and you should be charged. unfortunately too many people are not responsible pet owners. I love my dog and that it why I keep it under control. Last year on River road my brother's purebred yorkie was ripped apart by two dogs running loose. The stupid owner only answer was dogs will be dogs. He should have been charged and the dogs destroyed. So have some common sense tie up your pet or keep them under control. Those dogs are beautiful animals in the news too bad they had stupid careless owners and now they will pay for it with their lives.
TFinn 3/24/2014 8:54:28 PM Report
teets 3/24/2014 8:28:45 PM
They sell live traps just for that at The Tractor Store ..!
bounder 3/24/2014 9:19:06 PM Report
TFINN Wolf track and dog track the difference is?
Shortz 3/24/2014 10:11:29 PM Report
So, just a question...this is within city limits. Why is the MNR dealing with the dogs instead of the Humane Society? Does this mean we should be calling the MNR now to deal with stray dogs?
cummins369 3/24/2014 10:16:35 PM Report
Are the Mnr serious they think 2 dogs can take down 3 deer the deer would kick the s$2t out of 2 dogs 2 wolves would have a hard time on a deer this people are nuts. This dogs have collars on them how wild can they be no Dout there gonna eat on a dead deer!!!
CR29 3/24/2014 10:46:00 PM Report
I as well as others have witnessed these dogs eating, attacking and chasing deer this past week. Its frightening knowing that these dogs are in our neighborhood where we walk and run with our pets & kids. These are not wolves, these are dogs that appear to have been let loose & are no long looked after; no one knows who the owners are, or else they would be charged. The dogs are not hungry, the carcass that they left on Tuesday is still in the same place as they left it, half eaten. It's an unfortunate way to deal with these animals, but there are no other options. the humane society has also been out here trying to locate the dogs with no luck, and we are worried as they appear to be killing for fun now. Killing them is not an ideal situation for anyone, but I believe is the last option.
Big Deal 3/24/2014 10:47:57 PM Report
Sorry people, but it is true....when dogs pack up and run together and kill an animal they do it for SPORT and they ARE dangerous and should be put down!!!
chicky016 3/24/2014 11:13:56 PM Report
Anyone ever think the dogs have blood on it from having to fight off a wolf???? Lol they prob ran off...it's also in their blood to protect themselves. Not their fault they come across dead deer. If they are starving in the woods, why not check out what's there and sniff it out. That's in their blood too no?
cmit 3/24/2014 11:18:03 PM Report
Are none of you seemingly educated people aware of how many predators i.e. coyotes, timber wolves, exist in the area in question? Some people commenting seem to have an opinion against these supposed "wild" dogs, yet no claims of them actually being wild are supported. One of the two dogs has a collar, and yes, it does look like it has wolf in it, but it does still have a collar. If it has been left to run wild, it is obvious survival instinct will take over and it will fend for itself. People are always so quick to take the easy way out and blame someone/something that can't speak for itself. COWARDS. Persecute the owners, rehabilitate the dogs, and lets deal with the real issue of coyotes, wolves and bears running our streets where our kids play.
Frio 3/25/2014 12:05:25 AM Report
Under the Fish and Wildlife Conservation
Act, it is illegal to let a dog run at large in an area inhabited by deer, moose, elk and bears during the closed season.
The ministry’s conservation officers are
authorized to destroy dogs found chasing
deer, and dog owners may be charged
under this legislation.
The MNR have the authority to shoot any dog running at large in wildlife areas, whether they are killing deer or not..Obviously these 2 dogs are not under the control of the owns, so they are running at large, they get shot.
Bad Dawg 3/25/2014 12:08:37 AM Report
Why not catch them and see what the tag says instead of blasting them??
straightshooter 3/25/2014 6:59:58 AM Report
There are several laws in place to hold responsible those dog owners of dogs who run at large and destroy game animals.
The dog owners liability act comes to mind,as does the Fish and game act, which clearly prohibit owners from doing just that. The owners are responsible for their dogs actions.
the problem, is that domestic dogs still have the genetic drive to kill. They do not, however, have the need to consume what they kill. so they will often form a pack, get into a deer yard, and kill MANY deer wantonly, without consuming anything.
Wolves on the other hand, kill selectively, kill to survive, consume what they kill, and are an integral part of the entire ecosystem...part of the perfect balance that mother nature has put in place.
dogs are not part of that balance and their are laws in place to prevent owners from irresponsibly allowing them to run free for exactly that reason.
that pack of wolves is functioning exactly as it should, exactly where it should.
those dogs, aren't.
yamaha44 3/25/2014 8:57:28 AM Report
Its amazing how fast the MNR jumps into action when there are potential fines involved. I have called them about two dozen times for black bear encounters, sometimes after being within feet of the bear. I have yet to see anyone show up in response to my calls. I don't even bother wasting my time on the phone anymore because I know that no one will show up.
Niigaanis 3/25/2014 9:40:54 AM Report
Wow, not sure some of the posters here are from northern Ontario?
Have to wonder what the response would be if these two stray dogs were to maul/kill a small child would be...probably say the MNR is responsible and not doing their job...
Three years ago a small child in northern Manitoba was mauled to death by stray dogs and just recently an 8 yr. old was killed by two dogs (here's the link to that story http://tinyurl.com/nu6rcsu )
It would appear most of you making comments have no clue and never venture too far from home.....
Cashmier 3/25/2014 9:41:36 AM Report
right wing - there are definitely wolves running around the Mark's Bay and Sunnyside Beach area. Whether it is the same pack or not, I couldn't say. We see them quite regularly.
I don't have much to say about the dogs. It is very sad, and I would prefer to see them caught and euthanized if necessary. We don't know WHY these dogs have started this behaviour, but it is hard to rehabilitate them at this point - especially considering their owners are obviously not the responsible type.
CR29 3/25/2014 9:54:30 AM Report
It's too bad SooToday even mentioned wolves in this case. These are not wolves, and the wolves are not the ones who have been attacking the deer this past week. Many people have witnessed these two dogs chasing, attacking & eating the deer.
Living out here we expect the wildlife - we know the coyotes, wolves, bears etc. are around, but have not had any serious issues with any of them in the recent past.
It's clear that people saying 'let them be' don't walk/run or have family to worry about on the streets out here.
The dog with the collar doesn't appear to have tags. I'm sure MNR officers have their own pets as well - I highly doubt they enjoy having to come out here and shoot dogs or half dead deer. It's their job and these dogs have become dangerous. killing for sport is not the same as wolves or coyotes killin to survive.
saldog 3/25/2014 9:57:41 AM Report
You people are ridiculous. The MNR can definitely tell it was dogs that shredded the deer. Owners that live out there year round have seen the dogs, which once were domesticated dogs and have now gone wild. They aren't playfully chasing a deer, they are attacking and shredding them to pieces. The difference between these two dogs (identified by neighbours, not randomly chosen) and a bear, lynx, wolves etc is that they are not afraid of humans and will approach at quick speeds over territory they know well (they lived there as domesticated animals) and that the neighbours once knew them as domesticated and may not know to fear them. You can't approach and trap and put them down they are rabid and wild and they need to be shot. I am an animal lover but because their previous owners didn't care for them properly they now need to die.
WTF2 3/25/2014 10:18:57 AM Report
"RUN ROVER, RUN!!!"
TFinn 3/25/2014 10:31:10 AM Report
bounder 3/24/2014 9:19:06 PM
TFINN Wolf track and dog track the difference is?
Sorry... don't understand your question/comment ...are you sure your comment is directed to the right poster ..??
friendlyone24 3/25/2014 11:01:46 AM Report
Let's hope that something bad did not happen to the owner? Quite possibly he sent them to get help?
Has anyone attempted to read the tags on the one dog? Without the presence of weapons!
A dog is smarter than you.....he/she can sense if you are not trustworthy....
I can't believe there isn't a group of neighbors trying to work this out together...without shooting the dogs....[kids will hear about it-not good].
The Youth Online Club 3/25/2014 11:42:03 AM Report
If people would keep their dogs monitored on their own property this would not be happening. The owners of these dogs are in the wrong and have been irresponsible. My understanding from news reports is that the dogs have been witnessed hunting and killing deer. Unfortunately this is the now the outcome for these two unfortunate dogs. Avoidable.
cmit 3/25/2014 12:31:52 PM Report
I do agree the dogs are a danger and believe accounts of them tearing up deer. There are lots of cases to confirm this happens as well as eye witness accounts, the unfortunate thing is that too little is always done about a bad, irresponsible pet owner. If these dogs were once domestic in this area, then somebody knows who each dog must belong to. The immediate problem are the dogs, but I hope the owners are brought to justice.
Boomer4771 3/25/2014 1:26:19 PM Report
Do not try to approach these dogs. You will end up like the deer.
flp 3/25/2014 1:26:59 PM Report
What might appear as well behaved dog, can be one that is sly and sneaky. I had a dog that was a perfect angel during the day,but after dark it roamed with neighbour dogs, causing trouble. My nearest neighbour was a half mile away. My other dog stayed home.
Shortz 3/25/2014 4:45:54 PM Report
Under the Fish and Wildlife Conservation
Act, it is illegal to let a dog run at large in an area inhabited by deer, moose, elk and bears during the closed season.
The ministry’s conservation officers are
authorized to destroy dogs found chasing
deer, and dog owners may be charged
under this legislation.
The MNR have the authority to shoot any dog running at large in wildlife areas, whether they are killing deer or not..Obviously these 2 dogs are not under the control of the owns, so they are running at large, they get shot
All of this is taking place WITHIN the city limits. So, now the city is a wildlife area? When did the city of Sault Ste Marie become a "wildlife area"? This is an issue the Humane Society clearly should be responsible for, not the MNR. The MNR hasn't and won't deal with other issues regarding any type of wildlife within the city. Why start now.
Frio 3/25/2014 8:17:23 PM Report
The MNR was live trapping nuisance bears within the city limits for years, so they have been involved with wild animals in the city.. The Marks Bay area near the airport has been a winter yarding area for deer for many years..There are many forested areas within city limits that have fairly large populations of wild animals and the MNR has been involved. They laid illegal hunting charges last year in the shooting of a deer near the GP Flakeboard plant on Base Line.
grizzlypaul 3/25/2014 11:46:31 PM Report
MNR ARE A BUNCH OF IDIOTS. MAYBE THEY SHOULD STOP BEING WANNABE COPS AND DEAL WITH THE WILDLIFE THEY WERE HIRED TO DEAL WITH. UNFORTUNATELY DUE TO THE WEATHER, THERE ARE DEAD DEER EVERYWHERE. IF THESE DOGS CAME ACROSS THE DEER, NATURALLY, THEY WOULD APPEAR TO BE RESPONSIBLE. TAKE A LOOK AT THE WOLF PACKS THAT HAVE BEEN OBSERVED. QUIT HARASSING THE SNOWMOBILERS AND DEAL WITH THE WILDLIFE.
MrsBunnyRabbitHead 3/25/2014 11:52:13 PM Report
Is the area that the deer are being killed within the Sault Ste. Marie limits? Or is it within the Prince Township limits? It looks like there are witnesses that have actually seen the dogs chasing and eating deer. Animals especially ones that were once domesticated can never be trusted again once they have tasted blood.
grizzlypaul 3/26/2014 12:03:15 AM Report
UNFORTUNATELY THESE DEER ARE NOT BEING KILLED, THEY ARE STARVING TO DEATH. THEY ONLY HAVE 90 DAYS OF PRESERVED FAT, AFTER THIS THEY STARVE TO DEATH. THIS IS HERE IN THE SAULT, SURROUNDING AREAS AND EVEN IN THE STATES. I HAVE PICTURES OF DEER THAT ARE CURLED UP IN A SAD AND UPSETTING POSITION BECAUSE THEY HAVE STARVED/FROZEN TO DEATH. THIS IS THE UNFORTUNATE CONSEQUENCE OF THE WEATHER THAT WE HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING. IF THESE DOGS HAVE COME ACROSS THESE CARCASSES, THEY MAY APPEAR GUILTY. WOULD YOU WANT YOUR FAMILY PET TO BE SHOT BY THE MNR BY SHEER SPECULATION. WE SNOWMOBILE IN THE STATES AS WELL, AND UNFORTUNATELY, THERE ARE MANY DEAD DEER ALONGSIDE THE TRAILS. AGAIN, THIS IS AN UNFORTUNATE CRIME OF NATURE AND WEATHER.
shju 3/26/2014 1:59:24 AM Report
I still don't understand why we would shoot a dog hunting and eating a deer yet we won't shoot cats for doing the same thing with smaller animals? A dog does it omg noes! a cat does it and oh its natural.... the cat is just hunting from instinct.
Spock would be upset.
fraplens575 3/26/2014 9:55:55 AM Report
Wow, I understand that there are lots of dog lovers, I am one of them. BUT, most people responding to this story are focusing on the WRONG details. Its NOT about the deer ... it the behavior these dogs have adapted. It wouldn't matter what kind of animal they hunted down. But sadly, they have, and its been witnessed ... so those who say "I highly doubt" or "that's not possible" and all that kind of ignorance will get them hurt one day. I live in this area, have a dog that I do everything in my power to keep in my yard. These dogs are a huge threat now to this community, do some research on dogs that have gone wild before you post. It is bad news!! It is more dangerous for the children out here, soon to be riding bikes and walking than all the wild creatures here hands down!!
Boomer4771 3/26/2014 10:17:52 AM Report
I sure hope the MNR read all of the posts and learn that next time JUST SHOOT THE DAWM DOGS instead of telling the papers. Most of us know how dangerous these dogs have become and need to be put down. As far as all the posts that think this is wrong I sure hope the dogs don't kill something other than deer.
quad core 3/27/2014 10:46:23 AM Report
The video only shows the aftermath,not the physical act of the killing of these deers.
Does the MNR have video footage of these dogs killing the deers,or are they just assuming the dogs took part in the killing.
People seeing from a distant is not an accurate description of what dog/or wolf did what
With that many wolves and 2 dogs
who can say which ones took down the deers.
MAYBE the dogs were just following along with the pack in hopes of a free meal.
(PECKING ORDER TO ALFA MALE OF THE PACK)
They would probably be at the back of the pack and eat last (the scraps of cold blood not hot).
Many dogs have ate raw(bloody) meat and are not seen as Vicious or Killers.
Does this justified killing these dogs
I VOTE NO