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Cuts to passenger rail appalling, says reader

Tuesday, January 28, 2014   by: SooToday.com Staff

Loyal SooToday.com reader Maureen A. Lowe has asked us to publish a copy of a letter she recently sent Bryan Hayes, our Member of Parliament, in regards to a decision by the Federal Government to cut funding to passenger rail service which resulted in CN's decision to cut passenger rail service between Sault Ste. Marie and Hearst. Her letter follows.

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Mr. Bryan Hayes:
 
The Algoma Central Railway and its passenger service, has been part of this country for 115 years. 
 
It was instrumental in building Northern Ontario communities and allowing families to enjoy its natural beauty by traveling to remote parts of Ontario. 
 
Many families have built cottages along this route and spend weeks and months enjoying this part of God's Country. 
 
Tourism has diminished, however there are thousands of dedicated people who travel to fishing lodges and camps along the ACR, year after year. 
 
There are no roads to many of these places, which adds to the experience of being in the remote north. 
 
What are these cottage and tourist owners to do with property they have had for generations, pay taxes and insurance on and can no longer access them?
 
How can the Federal government announce one week that they are giving $66 million dollars to foreign countries and the next day take away part of Canada's history?   
 
Remember - Railroads built this country. 
 
It brought people together, corporations made millions of dollars from the rail companies transporting goods across this country, and also brought in the millions of immigrants that worked to the death to build these rail roads. 
 
I can't believe how this government can so easily forget about the history of this country and why we all have what we have. 
 
I agree that we are a very small population compared to the larger centers like Toronto and Ottawa, however, we have nothing but respect and appreciation for our great north and it is unacceptable how both the federal and provincial governments keep taking from us 'small' people, to benefit the areas of higher population. 
 
We pay taxes too.  We also vote!! 
 
The loss of the Algoma Central Railway Passenger service will have nothing but devastating effects on all communities and I think it is appalling that you will allow that to happen. 
 
It has been very clear for years that when CN took over the Algoma Central Railway (Wisconsin Central) passenger service that they wanted it gone. 
 
Just another example of the Fed's feeding into the large corporations pocketbooks and using our Tax Dollars to benefit themselves only.
 
A reply to this situation would be expected and appreciated.
 
Sincerely,
 
Maureen A. Lowe  
 
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steelworker 1/28/2014 1:10:55 PM Report

What do we hear from Hayes.........crickets.
Ski-Dude 1/28/2014 1:12:37 PM Report

We need more letters like this to make it to the offices of those who can influence the proper people.
flyhawk25 1/28/2014 1:16:26 PM Report

If he does respond it will be the party/corporate line.The guy hasn't had an original thought since he went to Ottawa.
Just remember this as the lawsuits start and the election nears.Imagine having to sue our own government to maintain an historic and important service.
Only with Harper.
Resident 1/28/2014 1:16:36 PM Report

I agree with the above posts! I am going to contact our MP but am not going to hold my breath!
theprotector 1/28/2014 1:21:07 PM Report

steelworker you are right, as with everything else brought to his attention nothing but crickets, he should be ashamed of himself for what he has allowed to happen to this community and surrounding area.
learningaswego 1/28/2014 1:40:55 PM Report

How about some facts and data which would support keeping it, instead of emotions? Horses and buggys and canoes are also part of the "history of building this country", so should we subsidize them too?
How about some numbers like
- how much subsidy - in $$$ - has it cost taxpayers for EACH passenger ride over the last 3 years?
- what are the annual passenger ridership numbers for each of the past 5 years?
Dictionary 1/28/2014 1:43:12 PM Report

hayes and harper have dug their own grave next election. i've never been so enthusiastic to exercise my voting right.
Dictionary 1/28/2014 1:46:44 PM Report

LAWG, funny, you don't include any stats or figures to support the closure... the massive impact this will have on the tourism industry makes this a very important topic in the north, and something that Mr. Hayes should be held accountable for.
Dictionary 1/28/2014 1:47:27 PM Report

Bryan Hayes: The Phantom Menace
Unkle Kracker 1/28/2014 1:51:43 PM Report

This is just another example of what the north means to our government.
Ski-Dude 1/28/2014 1:53:21 PM Report

You will get just as much facts for this as any other subsidized program. Little to none! There has got to be a program or two out there costing us a lot more than this and giving very little benefit! Maybe one or two of those golf course recovery programs? Look at some of those fly-by-night "lets see if this works" social programs.....
Riverpilot 1/28/2014 1:55:03 PM Report

Another severe blow to our history and culture of the region. Like the disregard for our rich maritime history and the potential demise of the passenger ship Norgoma on our waterfront, the railway will soon be a figment of the past. Allowing Commi-National to take over the ACR operations was a grave mistake! There seems to be little mentioned of the potential growth in our north which can revitalize the rail service which was once a vital link to the CN and CP lines that span our continent. With the logging industry expected to make a dramatic come back over the next coming years and major mining prospects near Dubreuilville to be developed, there is no reason this service should be abolished. For instance, a company called Argonaut Gold (old Magino Mine)near Dubreuilville,next to the currently operating Island Gold Mine, plans to develop one of the largest open pit gold operations in Northern Ontario potentially employing over 600 people and running over 12,000 tons of ore per day through their mill. The rail service was a highly possible consideration for transporting the workers to and from the Sault. Like the collapse of the "Ring of Fire" deal, the Provincial and Federal governments will continue to starve the north from rich developments.
As for all the cottagers who rely on the train to bring their families up north, will have to forfeit their properties because most road access, if any is either privately owned, gated and controlled by logging companies our forbidden access by the Ministry of Natural Resources. I know first hand as I had spent many years along the entire rail line (ie. Sand River Road to Eton).
The rail line makes the Sault unique and it would be a terrible shame to lose this service. The people of this city should stand up and plead with our politicians to maintain this vital link! With all the recent blunders and unexpected downfalls this city has been experiencing, I'm actually ashamed to say I reside in Sault Ste. Marie! There seems to be nothing left for our children to experience. The economic and population growth of our city has been stagnant for decades. By severing the ties with marine and rail to this city, we are limiting major growth potential. Many cities would do anything to have the resources that sit beneath our noses. It's bewildering! What happened to the many industries over the years that "almost" set-up operations here, for instance, the potential for marine-rail link for container shipments, and so on??? It's happening in Toledo and Cleveland but not here!
flyhawk25 1/28/2014 1:55:28 PM Report

learning...no argument here.
Passenger service loses money but - it is part of the deal the railways made during Confederation. No railways - no Canada from sea to sea.
Railways have made fortunes in land acquisition and right of ways over their history.We have been subsidizing them for over a hundred years.
Now they are talking 'profits'. We need a national rail service that works safely for freight and people.
Then they can ask for hand-outs.
learningaswego 1/28/2014 2:05:47 PM Report

It's highly unlikely we'll get any facts or data from the usually outraged proponents of keeping it.
This is because, in all likelihood, the reaction from most taxpayers would then be something like:
"What??? We've been subsidizing THAT MUCH for each ride????
That FEW people even use that thing??? Are you kidding me??? That should have ended LONG AGO!"......

....or something to that effect.
Dixiepup 1/28/2014 2:15:21 PM Report

Ok, so what about the taxes the camp owners pay, doesn't that count for anything? They have gone up 200 percent since building 30
years ago.
B Boy 1/28/2014 2:19:43 PM Report

I think the previous governments are just as responsible as the current government. Mismanagement, misspending, poor planning, lack of responsibility & accountability...
There's a lot of finger pointing as usual without much to go on. This could be a scenario where we're spending $40 million in order to generate $15 million. I'd like to see the numbers but have no idea where to look.

Sometimes it's easy to forget that we're still in the middle of one of the biggest recessions in history.

Cuts to services are sometimes expected and anticipated however if the current AND previous governments would have been a little more efficient with their planning & spending then perhaps it would make the cuts more palatable.
Dictionary 1/28/2014 2:23:17 PM Report

this isn't cuts to spending. this is trying to save a buck at the expense of infrastructure.
Dictionary 1/28/2014 2:24:51 PM Report

WHERE IS BRYAN HAYES?

Just Curious 1/28/2014 2:28:02 PM Report

Ski-dude; there are several programs out there that cost us a lot more than this with even less results.. One of them is called the Harper Government...:)
Kevin5069 1/28/2014 2:30:36 PM Report

Still nothing from Mr Hayes???
tcowen 1/28/2014 2:33:35 PM Report

Here's what I don't understand.. why is the Federal Government subsidizing publicly listed corporations in the first place.?

100 years of profits in a monopolized industry & taxpayers are expected to foot the bill for aging 'Infrastructure'

We just spent five years trying to figure out the definition of 'Shovel Ready'.. when we really should have been thinking of an economic bulldozer.

It's time to plow under these failing industries who lack the foresight of competing in a modern age.

Corporate welfare recipients have no incentive to restructure their operations & why should they..

A few threats & a couple of strategically placed #hashtags and everybody's back in business.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXPvOLvLqm8

Truck 1/28/2014 2:36:20 PM Report

Hayes is waiting for the party to tell him how to respond first! Then we'll hear from him!
Sad! So many are going to be left without access to property they have paid for and been taxed on. Our conservative government will tout how much money they gave Israel, and China, and Syria and Greece. How about helping out US! Candians. What a terrible decision!
soowat 1/28/2014 3:06:36 PM Report

Dictionary:

Wrong question. Right question is, "Who is Bryan Hayes and what is he doing here?"
learningaswego 1/28/2014 3:07:32 PM Report

CN, like most railways has enjoyed - I'm pretty sure - RECORD PROFITS of late.
Assuming this is so, and I'm 99.9% sure it is,

1) why the he11 should Canadian taxpayers be subsidizing a hugely profitable rail company, and specifically a service which a MINISCULE fraction of the population uses, and on an occasional basis?
2) why is this "the government's fault"?
(well, we know in lefty wisdom, that anything and everything is "the government's fault", if the government of the day happens to not be a loopy-left party - but that's for another day.
Right Winger 1/28/2014 3:09:07 PM Report

What do you pay in taxes in these areas? I have heard the like of less than 300 bucks a year?

What are you contributing to the local economies?

Should the government be in the business of providing transportation to your camps and cottages, if so should they not to St Joe's and Basswood Lake as well?
Right Winger 1/28/2014 3:12:47 PM Report

Its like how does SIS get government money yet its competitors don't. How does a daycare on 2nd line get money but other private ones don't?
Moonshiner 1/28/2014 3:16:05 PM Report

There must be some hidden forces at work too.The O.N.R had to be shut down .I think this ensures that the possibility of any city other than Sudbury could not establish rail link to Ring of Fire area.This would mean great prosperity to whomever was at the end of the tracks.I think the chromite refinery should be built here,as product could leave here by ship.As it was the refinery was going to Capreol,and whos rail line is that?
Gater 1/28/2014 3:17:00 PM Report

MP Hayes will go storming into Harpers office and stop this.After all he represents the North..
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palace 1/28/2014 3:19:56 PM Report

This is what I sent last night:
Jan. 27, 2014
8:29 PM

Perhaps instead of having an emergency debate on a foreign countries peril, this government should have a debate on the announcement today that passenger rail service, again in Northern Ontario, will cease on March 31, 2014! (From Sault Ste Marie...who has a PC MP!) This Government is great to provide aid to everyone but its own tax payers...look at Mr. Harper's most recent trip!!! And people vote for them? Your community may be next!!! BEWARE.
And it was sent to the following:
'Bryan.Hayes@parl.gc.ca'; 'stephen.harper@parl.gc.ca'; 'thomas.mulcair@parl.gc.ca'; 'justin.trudeau@parl.gc.ca'
OMGWTF 1/28/2014 3:24:04 PM Report

Everyone is forgetting one basic fact. The PC's are focused on balancing the budget so they can look good in the next election and to give us a goody bag full of reasons to vote for them. Line by line they go through costs. For example over 2000 research scientists have been let go and their research facilities and libraries shut down or dissolved. It's a systematic approach to cut costs by any and all means and the little stuff is death by a thousand cuts now as they struggle to find cash to save. Hayes isn't going to be able to do anything about this. But we can by voting him and the PC's out AND by getting this and other service cuts back in the budget for the new Governments' policy platform.
fire me 1/28/2014 3:32:12 PM Report

I think that this is just the railway trying to rip off more free money for them self. All the free land that we gave them, they sell off to the rich as Menache lake property then try to move cottage owners off the property by raising lease rates, Same railroad company same tactics, Ripoff the public.
sinikka 1/28/2014 3:33:45 PM Report

Another ploy by CN to bring the emotions of people into negotiations with the government. Tax payers should not be on the hook because people have camps on the ACR. Where is the voice of the companies who hold the leases on these lands. CN continues to service these unprofitable areas only if the government pays for this, meaning the taxpayer. Are the same people willing to chip in because the large majority of saultites don't have recreational properties on these lands. The writing has been on the wall for all property owners in these areas for quite some time so to scream now is futile. Even if this is resolved in the short term you cannot expect the government to continue to fund this losing venture going forward.
learningaswego 1/28/2014 3:54:30 PM Report

this article makes no sense.....
By subsidizing it - aren't "the feds feeding in to the large corporations pocket books..."

If the feds (which is we - the taxpayers of course - a detail almost always lost on the lefties) stopped subsidizing it, then they aren't "feeding in to the large corporations pocket books..."

So, in an a$$ backward sort of way, I agree.........let's STOP funding it, and thus STOP feeding the already hugely profitable corporation.
daddy frank 1/28/2014 3:57:16 PM Report

the Algoma Central and Hudson Bay railroad was given millions of acres of land with the promise they would built a rairoad from the Soo to hudson bay. well guess what, they got as far as heasrt and quit, however they kept the land. they gave some back to pay taxes (how do u pay a bill with something you do not own),however received billions of dollars over the last 100 years from logging,mining,rail revenue and it goes on and on. they sell the company to CN a company owned by the taxpayers and now want to cancel rail service, give back all the land . we just gave away 66 million to one country and 100 million to another but we cant support our own people. Hayes is useless and dead from the a-- up. remember him at the next election. just another Conservative fast shuffle
Daddy Frank
mallet 1/28/2014 4:02:33 PM Report


Can I say just one thing to all the people who want to write and complain to Hayes.. Why are you trying to talk to the monkey when you should be talking to the organ grinder?? Send letters to Hayes by all means but address the first line to S Harper and cc Hayes, will you get a reply? probably, but it will be the normal proforma type, you know where it starts "the minister thanks you for your letter etc etc etc..However before you start, this has happened to all letters I have written to MP's MPP's back to PET's time to date...
learningaswego 1/28/2014 4:07:03 PM Report

CN is owned by taxpayers? Nope.

Public company (meaning its owned by shareholders) since 1995.
Though many taxpayers could and would be shareholders.

Highly profitable public company.

If you have a pension, or a RRSP, you are probably an owner of CN.
Sam C 1/28/2014 4:09:29 PM Report

While I also am greatly dismayed by these cuts, let's try to remove emotion from the discussion.

Is CN a profitable corporation? Certianly. But like any corporation, if there is a branch that is NOT profitable, costs need to be cut, efficiency improved, or that branch needs to be closed. Unfortunately, this seems to be the case for the ACR passenger service.

Cottagers who take the train on a weekly basis -- or as has been suggested, one round-trip during the camping season -- don't cover the cost of running a regular train service. Again, this is unfortunate, but is a fact.

I suspect the number of passengers riding all the way to Hearst is rather insignificant, as well.

I suppose CN could subsidize this line from its general revenues, but... would this be a valid move as far as shareholders are concerned? (Yes, this DOES matter.)

The ACR may just be one line, but are there others in the same situation, also being considered for service cuts by CN (and CP, in some cases)?

Sometimes these decisions do just come down to dollars and cents.

So... the next question is: If restoring the service is not an option, what are the alternatives? Would ONE weekly train suffice... and would that be acceptable to CN?
Dictionary 1/28/2014 4:21:34 PM Report

Here's some hard numbers... Apparently the subsidy was for 2.2 mill...

Erringtons Wilderness Lodge (one of the many lodges up that route) has 400 tourists booked for next summer with no way to reach the resort any longer... Multiply that sort of info for Marmac/Lodge 88 and any other major/minor outfitter along the railway. What kind of tourism dollars are we losing here so that Harper has more advertising money to spend on programs that don't exist or to tell us how we can't vote for Justin!

BYE BYE BRYAN!
christmas 1/28/2014 4:26:37 PM Report

Mr. Hayes. Perhaps you might consider getting on board with the majority here and stand up to Mr. Harper and suffer what ever consequences you may. Show Sault Ste. Marie that when you ran for office it was to represent the wishes of your home town folk and stand behind that promise of representing the citizens of Sault Ste. Marie. Possibly by showing your support for us and standing up to Mr. Harper you will show you have the guts to do so and redeem some of your creditability to us the tax payers. You then might have a slight chance to hold your head up half way and peek out of one eye to those who put you there because bet your bottom dollar you will be looking from the outside in come next election. What will you have to say then or what excuses will you make up. I wonder if you ever considered running for city council when this happens and face the reality of being black balled for your lies, excuses and lack of guts you showed when you had the chance to represent us and present our wishes---not YOURS nor HARPERS --OURS here in--Sault Ste. Marie. Mr. Hayes you know the saying--' if the heat in the kitchen is too much then get out' Just a subtle suggestion before your reputation is ruined completely.
steelworker 1/28/2014 4:31:31 PM Report

It doesn't make sense to piss away money on the new bridge plaza when tourism is being killed in Northern Ontario. I think it's about time Hayes pulled his thumb out and started representing his constituents. This from a conservative to boot.
Scorpio77 1/28/2014 4:48:45 PM Report

Brian Hayes is laughing at everyone while he sits in hell with his buddies Stephen Harper and Satan.
T-rat 1/28/2014 4:52:06 PM Report

Sam C: Thank you. I was waiting to see if somebody would point out that when a particular venture is no longer profitable, if it ever was, and requires subsidy, rather than just cut it completely, first fully investigate whether or not there are alternative methods to provide a lower level of service which will not require subsidy. Twice a week? Once a week? Combination passenger/freight? It appears that CN was quite willing to continue the service so long as the federal government continued the subsidy. So, it is the feds, who in effect, caused the demise of the passenger rail service by saying no more subsidy.

And LearningAWG: take your 'lefty' references from your 'righty' brain and shove them up your proverbial middle!!
Javaman 1/28/2014 4:54:18 PM Report

Hayes cannot respond until his fax machine is fixed and he can get his orders from Harper as to what to say.
travelingman 1/28/2014 5:25:18 PM Report

Welcome to the club. The government has been bailing on lots of support for us here in Northern Ontario. They don't even fix the roads in their Provincial park (Headwaters)denying access to anyone that wants to use and enjoy this "signature site". They say they are waiting until loggers want to go up and cut down the trees in the park before they will cough up to fix the road! Can you imagine? Save the park for the loggers, keep recreational users out!
grandmajill 1/28/2014 5:28:39 PM Report

Bravo Mrs. Lowe ,

Please readers, take up this cause and lobby your M.P. , Brian Hayes
macgyvr 1/28/2014 6:58:49 PM Report

WHO VOTED FOR THIS GUY? I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING BENEFICIAL COMING OUT OF HIS MOUTH TO BENEFIT SAULT STE MARIE????????? ENJOY YOUR CURRENT SALARY.
Lugnuts 1/28/2014 7:02:52 PM Report

You have to wonder what these people are discussing when they are deciding where there cuts are going to take place. We all know that we want a balanced budget but sometimes the importance of a service that has been provided for decades and now being denied subsidization is unbelievable.I'm guessing with a an abundance of lobbying the rail service will return on a reduced schedule and at least triple the previous rates unfortunately.If you think this is bad wait to the Provincial government sits down and decides on their 10 billion dollar reduction a year to balance their budget.Its going to be a real eye opener and some of their decisions will make this seem trivial at best.
christmas 1/28/2014 7:05:15 PM Report

flyhawk --you are the best. keep doing what you are doing because I really respect you and all of your experiences through life and your outlook at this time . Glad to have a person of your caliber and keep on pushing because without you we are so in the dark and you have experienced it all . you are a pinnacle of strength.
Snapshot 1/28/2014 7:29:44 PM Report

Where was Mr Hayes when the Feds shut down the EI processing in the Sault and sent the jobs to Sudbury. No word of support from him for the laid off workers, not even a peep on the subject. Do you really think our MP will go against Mr. Harper on this issue, I doubt it. See you at the polls.
snowatch 1/28/2014 8:33:32 PM Report

Time to make this line a multi use rail trail. ATVs, snowmobiles, bikes!
flyhawk25 1/28/2014 9:03:47 PM Report

christmas...thank you. I am flattered and humbled.
It is actually embarrassing.I am just an angry old guy who cannot stand bullshit.
But I'll take the compliment with thanks.
jonesur 1/28/2014 9:06:22 PM Report

Railroads may have built the country one hundred and fifty years ago, but buggy whips were also quite fashionable at the time.
palace 1/28/2014 9:22:01 PM Report

An interesting article:

From Canadian Press, October 23, 2013

"Canadian National Railway's net profit climbed 6.1 per cent to $705 million in the three months as Canada's largest railway easily beat expectations on both earnings and revenue.


The earnings translated into $1.67 per share for the period ended Sept. 30, up from $1.52 per share, or $664 million, in the same prior-year period.

Excluding one-time changes for deferred taxes, CN's adjusted profits grew 13 per cent to $1.72 per share or $724 million. Revenues reached a quarterly record of nearly $2.7 billion, up from $2.5 billion in the prior year.

CN stock is up $6.34 or 5.7 per cent at $116.09 on Wednesday, after starting the day sharply higher."

But still they need Government assistance (AKA our tax money) to keep this train running...

I DO NOT THINK SO!!!!
tessaj 1/28/2014 10:45:40 PM Report

I really appreciate the response by Lowe to the proposed federal funding cuts to the ACR passenger train. It is absolutely appalling that the Federal government is willing to cut funding of a heritage resource in the wake of millions being offered to Israel.

I echo all the commentators in their sentiments that this is a critical, socio-economically damaging and politically damning decision. The historic rail line is like an artery in the fabric of Sault to Hearst's culture and social cohesion.

CN railway may continue to prosper with their freight line business, but access by the people, by the community will be lost, and their businesses with it. The economy of our town will be affected. The societal value and intimacy with the land that frames who we are as Algoma northerners will be severed. A huge part of what informs our culture will be gutted, and this is unacceptable.

The federal government is not thinking this through. If they cannot compel CN to fund the passenger service, how can the public put increased pressure on this industry giant? In the meantime could the federal government not conceive of it as an investment? Perhaps if they negotiated an agreement for commitment of revenues from future potential increase in passenger service from mining, tourism etc. it could be rationalized. We don't know what the future holds and this is too precious a gem to give up.

I can only hope that the Minister of Tourism, Culture and Sport speaks up and that the Minister of Canadian Heritage confers and supports its provincial counterpart to persuade the federal government to see the light- this is a grave mistake.

It's such as shame that we sold the ACR and lost control of it. Now the government needs to do what it can to preserve our heritage that is attached to it in the wake of this mistake. If it means funding the continuance of the passenger service and working with CN to ensure this service is not lost so it can continue to tell the story of our history of the land, then so be it- it must be kept.



S.M.A.R.T. 1/28/2014 11:42:29 PM Report

I don't know what's going on in this province and country. We have a local hospital that has cut beds and services to the bone and then trumpets a one million dollar surplus. Surplus?! It's not like we're looking at free enterprise here where revenue is generated in a competitive marketplace and customers like the offering to the point of making the hospital a profitable going concern. We're talking about government money that is not being used to make executives look good. Relative to the hospital's debt, a million bucks is a drop in the bucket.

Next, our highways. Surprise, surprise, they're not being maintained to standards and four private contractors in the northeast have been fined. The MTO will not disclose the amount of the fines and the minister declared a few weeks ago that our highways were being maintained to (NORTH AMERICAN STANDARDS?)and that criticism of the level of maintenance was unwarranted.

Our Prime Minister has swept into the Middle East to give away hundreds of millions of our dollars while our veterans, seniors, infrastructure, to name but a few, are being neglected.
S.M.A.R.T. 1/28/2014 11:55:14 PM Report

And now the government no longer wishes to subsidize our transportation system up here in the north, but is willing to consider a province wide gas tax earmarked for upgrading the Metro Toronto transit system. Is this a joke? How arrogant and dismissive of northern Ontario's residents and everyday Canadians' needs can our governments get? It boggles the mind and just keeps getting increasingly worse.
S.M.A.R.T. 1/28/2014 11:58:10 PM Report

Oh yeah. And need I mention our quickly disappearing provincial parks and public access to remote waterways?
learningaswego 1/29/2014 9:04:17 AM Report

What do you mean "we" sold the ACR?
"we" never owned the ACR, it has always been a private corporation.
My gawd, what's really appalling is the lack of understanding, the lack of truth or facts about this matter by those most vocal on here in opposing it;
and what's even more appalling is how pretty much the whole argument opposing it is based mostly on an emotional response about it; rather than a rational, reasoned business case for supporting it.
WTF2 1/29/2014 9:31:12 AM Report

I may be wrong, but I don't think the railway is shutting down. It's just stopping the passenger service. (A whole train for half a dozen people on many days) I'm pretty sure the tour train and freight will still be running...It is unfortunate (to say the least) for the people with cabins but how long should we provide taxi service...
tessaj 1/29/2014 9:43:18 AM Report

In response to the "learnaswego" comment; I do think that "we" sold the farm when it comes to the ACR. The original land grant in 1900 that provided the corporation to build the railway to transport ore, should have had stipulations attached to it, specifically that the corporation not be permitted to sell it (the rail or land) outside of the country considering we "the public" gave them the Crown land for the purpose of economic prosperity that would benefit directly the local communities. What has transpired over the years, with the selling off of the land and railline both to American companies has eroded the original intent and purpose in my opinion.
habsfan 1/29/2014 1:34:44 PM Report

Why not just hook a passenger car to the freight train.
baab 1/31/2014 11:48:46 AM Report

Here is a video that was recently posted on YouTube. It brings to light some of the struggle that we face as a result of this change to our rail service. Please watch, comment and share it with whomever you may. We need to get the word out about this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX0RcD5hYUk&feature=c4-overview&list=UUf24qktprVi_ycN8dkwLFOQ
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