B Boy 10/8/2013 11:43:18 AM Report
Another one bites the dust.
What is it about the Soo that makes it so difficult to operate and/or own a business?
I hear so many stories of people struggling with their businesses.
KiwiOnASticK 10/8/2013 11:44:52 AM Report
Now where are the drunks going to get their drive-thru after the bar?
homemadebbones 10/8/2013 11:48:03 AM Report
Good. Eat something healthy instead of fattening some multinational corporation's bottom line for inferior "food" fattening your bottom.
sAUCEY 10/8/2013 11:51:11 AM Report
So sad that this is closing, I got my first job there at 14 as i am sure many people did in the Soo. Hopefully when this door closes another will open
RET 10/8/2013 11:52:21 AM Report
Like the restaurant, but the service was horribly slow for fast food...sad to see it go!
Snowdon 10/8/2013 11:54:29 AM Report
B Boy - the same thing that makes it so difficult to run a business right now in any smaller town?
consols 10/8/2013 11:59:18 AM Report
diz n keebs are gonna miss whopper weds
B Boy 10/8/2013 12:00:06 PM Report
Snowdon - I was told by a city employee in the planning department last year that 80% of new business in Sault Ste. Marie close within the first 2 years of operation.
I can't quote percentages for other cities but that seems fairly hight.
You seem a little defensive on this, I'm not meaning to insult anyone.
The owner of Los Mexicanos told me he closed because their lease was increased by around 43% once they started to finally become profitable. I spoke with another business owner downtown last weekend who said that their rent is about the same as a comparable store in Hamilton - a city population of over 500,000.
The economic environment in this city can be ruthless to small businesses.
roxxyroller 10/8/2013 12:07:46 PM Report
How about opening an East Side Mario's in that location? Yum!! I personally don't like Burger King, however I do feel sad for the employees there who are losing their jobs. :(
Tag33&1/3rd 10/8/2013 12:14:01 PM Report
Maybe moving further up great northern? Everything else is. Too bad if closing for good. (should move to Churchill plaza?)
Tag33&1/3rd 10/8/2013 12:15:22 PM Report
They won't let an East Side Mario's in this city! Unfortunately.
shhh 10/8/2013 12:18:59 PM Report
not much you can do if the Franchisee wants to retire and nobody wants to take over. Great location for a Tim Hortons!
Right Winger 10/8/2013 12:20:14 PM Report
B Boy it was in business for 33 years. Can't really say it was a struggle.
Tag33&1/3rd who are "they"
Maybe local franchisee is retiring?
ThinkAgain 10/8/2013 12:22:13 PM Report
Its a trend and many more fast food joints will follow. Profits aren't there for fast food. Today there is more to choose from.
RJ's sell chicken - watch out KFC !!
Wisenheimer 10/8/2013 12:24:30 PM Report
He has a nice car ...
B Boy 10/8/2013 12:31:53 PM Report
Rightwinger - your first 2 years were quite a while ago. Right now many businesses are struggling, especially the new ones. Why did you give it up?
cdn.chick 10/8/2013 12:38:03 PM Report
No to East Side Mario's. Gross. Why would you eat there when you can go to Gino's or a local mom n pop Italian shop. Stupidity, that's why. "Cause it's a chain!"
Right Winger 10/8/2013 12:40:04 PM Report
B Boy, what are you talking about?
sAUCEY 10/8/2013 12:41:36 PM Report
The sad thing is city council and the "old Timers" that run this city. Everything apparently comes back to not enough population but that cannot be true. A lot of people will argue that SSM isn;t growing in size but it is, the infulx of different cultures and new poeple coming to this town with Essar is a lot but the "orignal 6" we'll call it are afraid of change. Why do we not have food trucks on the boardwalk, or hub trail runing near the old hopital where everyone fishes? Why is it so hard to get a permit to to this? Everyone comes here for the education at our college and University but leave after the degree because new business gets shunned. There are a lot of hoops to jump through when there shouldn't be.
Right Winger 10/8/2013 12:48:04 PM Report
Old boys do not control who comes into this city. Consumers do. We have shown time after time that we do not support chain sit down restaurants. Compare prices and quality at Boston Pizza and Fratelli's for instance. Local wins out.
As to food trucks, city rents area in front of mall for board walk from Algoma Central Properties. Tenants (food court and Joey's) pay rent to Algoma properties based on both area and revenue. Therefore Algoma Central Properties probably not interested in taking business away from its own tenants.
sAUCEY 10/8/2013 12:52:43 PM Report
Well Joeys is closed, and lots of people lost work thier and thats all that is there is a food court. And to say consumers dont want the big chains, take a ride to soo mich on a friday and saturday night, drive through applebees count the ontario plates. What about costco in sudbury or Kohls in gaylord, lots of people from the soo...
B Boy 10/8/2013 12:55:04 PM Report
Rightwinger - sorry, misread your post. I thought you say "I" was in business for 33 years.
Regardless, this is a very tough city to start and maintain a smallbusiness in.
learningaswego 10/8/2013 1:04:54 PM Report
Businesses come and go - all the time.
This one lasted here for 33 years - longer tham many, shorter than some.
No big deal - other similar stores have regular job ads for workers.
ElTimboLibre 10/8/2013 1:06:58 PM Report
This isn't an anomaly. The Burger King in Timmins closed recently, too. Several have closed in Alberta as well. The company sold off many of its stores in the US too. I can't imagine these franchises are all that profitable anymore with all of the competition and the push toward healthier food options.
Right Winger 10/8/2013 1:10:11 PM Report
I am talking about food not stores. I don't think people are going to Soo Mich for Appleee's. I think they go to Applebee's because they are in Soo Mich.
B Boy, 33 years is a long time to have small business.
There are a ton of local businesses that have been around forever, because of consistent quality. Giovanni's, Muio's Steelton Shoes, Aurora's west side, Sandro's Presto, Gino's and his uncle, Superior Bakery, Soo Mill/Lyons, North 82, Art Gabriel's, The Fashion Shop, 49th Apperel, Bergamin's, Madonna Optical, Savoy's Bernardo's etc,etc etc
thumbs4208 10/8/2013 1:11:52 PM Report
I feel for the staff but the food was and is disgusting. Why anybody wants to eat that I don't know. Service was weak at best. Make it a Hostel for travelers or anything but a Burger/Subway type fast food store.
Budman 10/8/2013 1:17:48 PM Report
I am one of the many people who were employed for some time over the 30 years. I held a position there for 3 years. At the end of my time, I was 3rd in command of that building. But more than likely the cause of this closer is the age of the franchise owner and the one and only general manager over the entire 30 years. The speed of service in that store was great while I was there, but when I left 3 years ago, the store went downhill. The store was a great at giving students a chance for a first job. To this day, McDonalds won't even give me a call for an interview, anywhere in this province. Since leaving that store, I have worked in 3 other BK's in the province, and the dedication of the franchisee and the general manager were second to none. The work ethic of those who were employed there were also second to none. I consider many of my former coworkers like family. This store will be greatly missed. Thanks for all the great years that this store provided for Sault Ste. Marie.
sAUCEY 10/8/2013 1:20:51 PM Report
Rightwinger, your missing the point. Why are they in Soo Mich in the first place? Stores!!! Cheap beer!!, Why dont we have cheap beer, because the old boys won't allow beer to be sold in corner stores. Gas isn't too much a differnece now a days becasue of bridge fair, and we have unleaded fuel they dont our basic is 87 oct , soo mich is 85.. so its all about goods and services, mind you i frequent the states a lot for their services because we just wont offer them here. The soo needs to be like old route 66, you have to pass through us to get where you are going so lets make it fun for the tourist
B Boy 10/8/2013 1:40:12 PM Report
Rightwinger - yes there are businesses that have been around for a while, but it's still hard for NEW businesses here.
Like I said, the city employee quoted that 80% of NEW businesses are closing within the first 2 years. I didn't say it was 30 years ago, I said it was NOW.
This discussion is getting nowhere.
Corr 10/8/2013 1:49:30 PM Report
I heard a rumor that it's gonna be converted into a Chick - Fil - A
Mr. Poster 10/8/2013 1:54:11 PM Report
Sudbury does not see to have a problem attracting major chains...Montannas...the The Keg...Costco..I think Costco underestimates the business it would do here.
Right Winger 10/8/2013 1:58:27 PM Report
B Boy, you stated start and maintain. My point was to the maintain part of what you said. Consistent quality coupled with price. Too many small businesses fail because they don't offer good quality or their price is too high. Some have prices too low to stay in business. How do the Wacky Wing's people do it? Arturo's is not that old nor is Panna. The retail market is now geared to big box so as a small retailer the cards are stacked against you succeeding as dry goods are dry goods.
dandrew61 10/8/2013 2:02:26 PM Report
It’s too bad to see BK leave as it is unfortunate to see any business leave.
One of the reasons it’s hard to run any franchise restaurant here is because of the quality of the local mom and pop places. Contrary to “cdn.chick”, I’ve eaten in a number of Eastside Mario’s and can’t say I feel the same. I’ve found them to have a pretty good meal at a fair price but it’s basically a sit down, fast food restaurant.
I think we have some of the best Italian food anywhere on the continent. People from the Soo are used to the flavours of a Minelli’s, Muio’s or Gino’s to name only three of a long list of Italian eateries. Don’t even get me started on pizza joints. Most of the local places all started and trained under the matriarch, Aurora Gassi. They trained, made slight changes and went on to open their own place. That’s why several of the local pizza places are basically the same, all good, but all the same. We really only have four distinct flavours in pizza and we all tend to buy and stay with the one we’re used to. Any new restaurant will have a hard time competing against this.
I for one would like to see a steakhouse. Something like an Outback or Moose Winooskis. I’d like to see a good place to get a great steak or real ribs.
As far as the food trucks go, we have some. There’s one directly across from the entrance to the hospital, another in the Brick parking lot on North Street and there may be others I’m not aware of. They may be a little slow getting here but they’re here.
B Boy 10/8/2013 2:09:42 PM Report
Rightwinger - that's a pretty bold statement. Did you ever eat at Los Mexicanos? Good value, high quality food, high quality service. But after a couple of years they had to close.
Believe it or not, not every business that closes is because of poor quality or service. To avoid libel/slander I won't mention names but there are a couple of 'good' restaurants that have been here for years that I think have inferior service & quality yet they manage to stay in business. In the Soo sometimes to be succesful your name needs to be known as an owner and that's good enough.
Slim Shady 10/8/2013 2:12:33 PM Report
That Burger King location has not seen a decent building update in awhile. I bet it needs work (renos and maybe a new roof too) after 33 years. It could be a factor on whether closing the establishment.
My vote is for a seafood place such as a Red Lobster. There used to be one where Pennington's is now (corner of Northern and GNR).
As for why Canadians are in the USA shopping? Cost, variety and a change of venue. People should not hold that against them.... Products and service are also factors that determine shopping patterns... Money is not always the deciding factor.
When starting any business, your first five years are the break-even point. Businesses come and go for many reasons. Just because Hamilton has 7 times the population doesn't mean that retail space is 7 times as expensive. Construction and renovation costs (materials and labour) are about the same! Heating and electricity costs are about the same too! How about common tenant fees like snow removal? We have more snow than Hamilton! It all translates to $/sqft. leasing costs. As for blaming the local politicians for business problems, that isn't entirely fair either. Some people are just plain lousy or ineffective business people.
That's my 2 cents...
Daiv 10/8/2013 2:14:43 PM Report
Burger King has TERRIBLE service, and they have for more than three years. Last time we were in there, I waited with my son at the table for about fifteen minutes AFTER waiting in line for I don't know how long. My husband was with us, and he finally said forget it and asked for his money back.
This wasn't a one time happening, either.
It was slow like that every time we went.
We would always say we weren't going back, but then, I guess we'd forget.
Not that McDonald's is much better lately!! We have stopped going there, too.
I'm sorry for those losing their jobs, though.
And I don't know who said it great spot for a Tim Hortons, but Gigi's, beside BK, used to be a Tim Hortons.
Daiv 10/8/2013 2:20:46 PM Report
Costco has tried to come here, I think.
Apparently they got kicked of Station Mall when they were here once.
This is just what I heard, I have no proof.
Tag33&1/3rd 10/8/2013 2:31:43 PM Report
"They" also won't let franchises such
as: the outback, the keg, applebees,
Pat and mario's, (yes) east side marios,
I remember ponderosa and bonanza --they were good restaurants!
Question: did we have a "Big Boy" in the station mall about 35 yrs ago? I say we did but nobody I know remembers that.
B Boy 10/8/2013 2:33:20 PM Report
Slim Shady - rent can be higher in a larger city because there is a larger market base and potentially higher sales.
We can't keep hiding behind the cost of snow removal. Of course it's expensive but we've had a whole century of experience in budgets and systems. Have we not learned anything significant in the past 100 years? We've had heavy snows nearly every year and we're still seeing issues. Eg. Why isn't the city planning & budgeting based on a heavy snowfall, not just an average snowfall? If we're constantly breaking our budget then perhaps the budget is too small.
SSM has 104 city workers making over $100k/year for a 75,000 population.
Another city I looked up has 120 city workers making over $100k/year but with a pop of 180,000. SSM has less than half the population and less yet we're paying for almost the same workers for approx the same city area. That seems a little top heavy.
Mr E 10/8/2013 2:36:24 PM Report
Thatd be a great place for a Greyhound Bus Depot :)
Mr E 10/8/2013 2:37:16 PM Report
And Yes to the Big Boy on Great Northern.
Tag33&1/3rd 10/8/2013 2:43:55 PM Report
Was "the big boy" ever in the station mall? It would have been in the area by where galaxy is now. I remember it? Anyone else?
Right Winger 10/8/2013 2:54:29 PM Report
B Boy, I ate at Los Mexicanos and found it to be pretty good as well. However every time I went it was not overly full. Maybe the Soo is not the place for sit down Mexican.
As to being a known name, New Marconi, failed. And guess who most of their regulars were? The Old Boys Club. Quality suffered over time.
How about Aurora's. Failed because of quality. Then the same people who own North 82 open it up and it failed.
Right Winger 10/8/2013 2:59:43 PM Report
B Boy, excellent point on the city employees
Boutique2011 10/8/2013 3:10:23 PM Report
The guy with the nice car is the manager. Not the owner. The owner is getting up there and just wants to retire. It's not a failed business. Can't a guy retire? I worked at BK all 4 years of highschool :)
Wicket 10/8/2013 3:11:55 PM Report
Tag33, yes there was a restaurant in that area, can't remember the name of it, late 70s early 80s...
kw126 10/8/2013 3:14:41 PM Report
It would definitely be a welcome change to have a seafood restaurant in the Sault. The Italian Restaurants are hands down delicious, however, we have enough Italian restaurants around. I would also love to see Red Lobster back in the Sault. But there was obviously a reason it didnt work out in the first place.
icemantbi 10/8/2013 3:22:59 PM Report
Right Winger, New Marconi did not fail, the owner was in poor health and he retired. Quality was always good there.
Tag, I remember that restaurant in the mall. It was right next to the old Station Mall Cinema. I dont remember the name, but I do know it was not a Big Boy. I used to go there as a kid. Back then, there was an A&P store right across, where the old Bulk Barn used to be.
jojoe71 10/8/2013 3:40:13 PM Report
And they just came out with that new style of fry. Too little too late. Any fast food is not good to eat.people think its a treat to take their kids to these places when in fact they are feeding them garbage but hey the kids like it eh? ThTs the bottom line today.
Right Winger 10/8/2013 3:46:00 PM Report
quality became inconsistent at the end. If Freddie or Marie were not there, it was off.
How about NEW Ubriaco's closing Another known name.
GrammaDingbat54 10/8/2013 3:49:36 PM Report
We have enough Tim Horton's. I like Burger King but I do agree their service was too slow for a fast food business. There doesn't need to be a restaurant at Churchill Plaza as they do have Subway and nearby are eateries like Harvey's, CJ's, Dairy Queen, KFC and Hong Kong.
Krasrya 10/8/2013 3:57:04 PM Report
The restaurant in the mall where the cinema is was called Mr. M's. My dad, sister and I used to go there for dinner before going to the movies, or when we were Christmas shopping for mom. When that closed, we would go to the swiss chalet in the mall, then when that closed, we stopped eating at the mall. Red Lobster closed because at the time it was in a terrible location, with not a lot of traffic in the area, however, so much of the city business has moved to that end, it would probably do much better now.
Icky food, and terrible service at BK seems to be a franchise wide problem, any one I've ever been to has been slow, and gross.
Tim Horton's where Gigi's is closed because the one on the corner of pine and mcnabb opened, and it had a drive through, something that never could have happened with the one at that corner.
Seafood, or a good steak house would be a great option - something nice and Canadian like M.I.C. would be great, and delicious
Rose44 10/8/2013 4:01:29 PM Report
umbriacos didnt close ...they have the store on Trunk Rd and a store on Pim street
SandyB 10/8/2013 4:04:49 PM Report
Krasrya and Tag.. BEFORE Mr. M's.. it was a Big Boy.. my daughter is 35 now and I took her as a little girl..
soooo 32 - 33 years ago now?
Tag33&1/3rd 10/8/2013 4:08:13 PM Report
@ kras and @ iceman
Ya it was Mr. M's --it was changed to that name -the original name for awhile was indeed "Big Boy" I just found out!
Thanks! I remember those hamburgers with both restaurant names were so good and juicy! They dripped!
Me Myself an I 10/8/2013 4:08:53 PM Report
You wanna talk about slow service... try the Mcdonald's in the mall. I swear its faster to drive to any of the other locations then to go there..
Tag33&1/3rd 10/8/2013 4:10:57 PM Report
Ya @sandy --thanks for verifying for me too! I was beginning to think I imagined it lol --i remember a little showcase that sold the "big boy" rubber piggy banks.
Tag33&1/3rd 10/8/2013 4:31:30 PM Report
Lol I just bought a vintage Big-Boy piggy bank on Ebay! Lol shouldn't have went to sootoday today! Lol
Thanks Burger King! :)
dadal 10/8/2013 4:44:04 PM Report
First of all, according to the Chick-fill-a, there is NO franchise in Canada so doubt if one is coming.
Second, the Bk building is OLD! I know the last renovations were mainly paid by the franchise owner and I doubt he planned on spending the $$$ needed to upgrade that building. Service sucks there now. Plus too many times their items were broken ( deep fryer, shake machine, etc).
Third, Costco was never here. They considered and are still looking at Great Northern closer to Walmart if property price, etc can be met.
Forth, Umbriacos is closed on Pim
Fifth, Bigger franchises are nervous on coming here. Pizza Hut can't cut it here because of the quality of Italian food in the Soo. Plus location is a factor. None want to go to the malls, they want prime area. Many spots from the city limit to Second Line along GNR are asking a very high price to develop. And don't forget the hoops the city made Walmart jump through when they first wanted to open. DO you really think other franchises want to deal with that????
Milky_White 10/8/2013 5:08:42 PM Report
This is a municipal tragedy, A candle light vigil will be held outside on Wednesday which will mark the final Whopper Wednesday Sault Ste. Marie shall ever experience. Tears fall today for the fallen Kingdom of yore. Let use us share the stories of the great King and his lordly ways with our next generations in hopes of a return of the once great monarchy
PipeBomb 10/8/2013 6:04:59 PM Report
I guess someone finally dethroned the King. I didn't mind it, used to eat there a lot in my bar days...it's sad to see anything close. Oh well, Sault Mich has 2 BK's I think!
eadiecougs 10/8/2013 6:07:35 PM Report
Burger King was getting to expensive the hamburgers were microwaved to hell .The fries sucked I did like the chicken sandwich if it wasnt nuked to hell.Macdonalds is getting more and more bad they sent me a raw hamburger once and never did give me another one.I like Perkin's rest in sudbury come cooked meals I was a chef for 25 years the problem is too much Italian here
GrammaDingbat54 10/8/2013 6:08:26 PM Report
Mr.E., I think that parking lot is too small for Greyhound buses. It's fine where it is.
nana8 10/8/2013 7:36:11 PM Report
We live in a city that is over run with some of the best italien restaurants around so to go and eat at an East Side Mario's I don't think so. I just hope all these people that were employed find new jobs
Sam C 10/8/2013 8:21:57 PM Report
Tag... really? Where did you hear that, and do you really believe that "THEY" won't let East Side Marios in the City? We got a Boston Pizza, why not an East Side Mario's?
I think it's more likely that Mario's doesn't want to take the risk in a town that already has quite a good number of Italian restaurants.
As for the location, I don't think that was the problem. The food was decent -- for fast food -- but service could be slow. And, the trend IS towards healthier menus. I don't think the King was keeping up.
billybob 10/8/2013 8:46:27 PM Report
Gutter palates wanting an Eastside Marios...gross
PipeBomb 10/8/2013 9:20:32 PM Report
East Side Mario's is the most disgusting, bland and downright gross "Italian" food I have ever eaten. BK is 1000x better than ESM.
emajeaan 10/8/2013 10:11:40 PM Report
anonymous? it says it on the burger king sign? hahahaha
Coolmummer1 10/9/2013 11:11:09 AM Report
It doesn't happen very often but when I want to treat myself with a fast food burger, I want my favourite which is the whopper!
Rent increases seem to play a huge factor in the longevity of businesses, large or small. Some can deal with it, some can't (Los Mexicanos, Lucky House for example). I do very occasionally go with my family to Applebees - we choose to go there simply because we like the food and, yes, want a change. So many reasons why some businesses don't thrive or simply close ... we can't just paint their situations with the same brush.
Thank you to the few remaining at Burger King who are currently swamped with people trying to get their final whoppers and delicious onion rings in - we appreciate you staying on your posts as the ship is going down.
sunnie 10/9/2013 2:44:01 PM Report
I am sad to see BK go, not because I frequent there but because I am a home body and I love to cook. My first job was working there on the first day it opened.
Bob Jacks was an awesome employer, he treated his staff with decency and respect. They were awarded for their good work ethics.
I have always felt pride for working there as a student. I believe that working for them gave me the strong work ethics I still hold today.
Happy Retirement Bob.
Right Winger 10/9/2013 3:15:13 PM Report
And two more old businesses are Atlas Auto Parts and The Duke of Windsor. As a new business, Veolortion has been doing well I think