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Idle No More Sault Ste. Marie rallies at courthouse

Friday, January 04, 2013   by: Darren Taylor

The Idle No More movement continues locally.

A group of peaceful First Nations demonstrators gathered in front of the Sault Ste. Marie courthouse on Queen Street East Friday afternoon, to protest the federal government’s aboriginal affairs policies, particularly as they are laid out in Bill C-45.
 
The nationwide Idle No More movement of peaceful protests is in reaction to Bill C-45, the federal government’s recently passed omnibus budget bill, which First Nations communities consider an environmental threat to their lands and waterways and an easier way for corporations to take resources from First Nations lands.
 
The movement is also in support of Attawapiskat First Nation Chief Theresa Spence, who on Friday was in the 25th day of a hunger strike, in a drastic effort to force an aboriginal issues meeting between First Nations officials and Prime Minister Stephen Harper.
 
It was announced Friday that a meeting between Harper and First Nations Chiefs will take place January 11th, although it is not clear if Spence will end her hunger strike, as she awaits the outcome of the meeting.
 
A mixture of Garden River and Batchewana First Nations band members, as well as local aboriginals and students, gathered in front of the courthouse Friday.
 
Batchewana First Nation resident Barbara Day told SooToday.com “we want to raise awareness of Idle No More in Sault Ste. Marie.”
 
“Bill C-45 was dictated not only to First Nations, but to all Canadians. We were not consulted,” Day said.
 
“Those are very dangerous political tactics the Prime Minister is using,” Day said, in referring to the omnibus bill.
 
“What it means for us is that our land and waters can be taken by mining corporations… all Canadians should be concerned and standing up.”
 
Day stated “we’re not against capitalism and development, but what we’re against is when these big companies come in and do a lot of environmental damage…First Nations suffer damage, and we’ve been sloughed off by Prime Minister Harper through Bill C-45.”
 
First Nations lawyer and activist Pam Palmater has suggested Harper wants First Nations communities to be broken up and First Nations peoples assimilated.
 
Day agrees with Palmater’s assessment.
 
“That’s the plan of the Harper government, to eliminate us from the political scene, and that’s why our people are standing up with Idle No More.”
 
Day stated “we would like to see a peaceful solution, for our leaders to come together, it has to happen soon, to deal collectively with First Nations issues. This is not just a First Nations matter. A piece of legislation can come along and be put on people. Canada is a democratic society, and this should not be happening in this day and age.”
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awesome1 1/5/2013 3:40:07 AM Report

your response referring to McDonalds, shows your education towards bill C 45. have you even looked it up yet?
awesome1 1/5/2013 3:44:47 AM Report

no,,, i didn't think so,,, as in many situations,,, we type before knowing the real story,,, read the entire bill before judging,,, Theresa has a cause,, it may not be hers,,, but it is her peoples, and that is admirable,,, respect it!
Tommy2Toes 1/5/2013 3:59:28 AM Report

Unforunately, where chief Spence is involved, the Idle No More concerns are not. She has her own agenda in all of this, she's simply using "Idle No More" as words on a poster to hide her agenda.
Thim 1/5/2013 7:40:59 AM Report

All the small communities along the North Shore have volunteer fire firefighters , a couple have paid staff...can someone tell us which?
Jimssm 1/5/2013 7:55:54 AM Report

Ace...

Apparently you have detailed financial information about Spence which many claim is top secret and the real reason she is protesting Bill C-45. You should call the government and fill them in.

.....or maybe just post us a link to your sources.
Jimssm 1/5/2013 8:02:09 AM Report

And while I'm at it, Bill C-45 has nothing to do with First Nation finances or disclosure of those finances.

It has to do with allowing big corporations to exploit Native (and our) land without the same concern for the environment as is required now.

It is also an omnibus bill, which Stephen Harper declared 'undemocratic'.
Jimssm 1/5/2013 8:13:25 AM Report

Ace....

You post "Keep Christ in Christmas" hundreds of times over the years and then post your 'twinkies, KFC, Big Mac' joke multiple times on various sites. The two ideas don't seem to mesh.



The word that comes to mind is hypocrite.


However, I still prefer jerk.


IB-fine 1/5/2013 9:25:55 AM Report

Besides the rude comments about Chief Spencer's size it's obvious none of the commenters have even bothered to look up what's in Bill C-45.
Some of what is in the "fine print" is down right scary. Not only does part of it increase all judges salaries but that MP's salaries will be 24% higher than the top judge.
One Crown corporation, one board and one agency cut with their powers going back to each agency's minister making it less open to the public on decisions made.
But the big point is removing protections of waterways. One the Navigation Protection Act; The former Navigable Waters Protection Act changes more than just its name, as major pipeline and interprovincial power line projects become exempt from earlier requirements that would have forced proponents to prove they wouldn't damage or destroy navigable waterways in Canada.

I suggest you read some of the articles from the CBC like this one:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/10/19/pol-list-2nd-omnibus-bill.html

to realize this omnibus bill will not only affect the natives and their land and waterways but all of us!
whooligun 1/5/2013 9:27:55 AM Report

For a bunch of people who whine about the government non-stop, you would think you guys would be a little more sympathetic for a group who is taking action for what they believe in, not just ranting about it in the Soo today comments.

Wether you like it or not, we are all citizens of this great country, and are all being affected by these borderline tyrannical decisions being made by our elected officials.

We need to stand up for one another, before the next set of rights to be trampled on are your own.

This petty name calling and judging belongs in the 1800s. It's time to band together as citizens and actually listen for once before judging. It's way too easy to be negative. That's why so many lazy people are.

I moved to the Soo 3 years ago and I am completely shocked at the Arkansas style of redneck attitude abundant in the Soo. Not at all what I expected.
muf 1/5/2013 10:09:11 AM Report

whooligun......I`m from Arkansas. What`s up with this "redneck" style bs ? You saying I`m a redneck? wtf
231Turbo6 1/5/2013 10:31:32 AM Report

Why was my comment deleted? I want to know where all the money has gone!
highway1 1/5/2013 10:37:29 AM Report

Time to re focus;

Under section 35 of the Constitution, there is a guarantee that FN's are to be consulted PRIOR to any legislation that alters First Peoples rights.

Harper violated the Constitution by not allowing FN's a chance to voice concerns on the destructive bill C-45 before it goes to committee and imposed the bill without advance notice.

It's not complicated. FN's should not be expected to be bullied, brushed aside, and lied to without expressing concerns.

C-45 effects all Canadians. FN's are fellow tax payers, that happen to have insight on this issue and are standing and fighting for for your rights. You should be thankful.

All the remarks about salaries and broth, and the racist childishness are distractions that have nothing to do with the real issue at hand.

If you understand the negative long term implications of C-45, and you don't like what Harper is doing to your country, join the colour blind Idle No More movement and express your displeasure.
KDawg 1/5/2013 10:50:34 AM Report

Good question 231Turbo6. I want to know why my comment was deleted too.

All I said was that Spence is on a diet, not a hunger strike.
dan 1/5/2013 10:57:50 AM Report


Attawapiskat’s Theresa Spence is a very poor example of person, let alone a representative of native people.
newspot 1/5/2013 11:14:49 AM Report

As a FN person I am in agreement with Idle No More. More people have to start standing up for their rights and beliefs in order to get their points across, if we don't stand up, who will? Not only for the FN peoples but this is for any Canadian in Canada. And if it takes a woman to go on a hunger strike to get her point across, what next?
steelworker 1/5/2013 11:31:21 AM Report

In a democratic society you don't block roads and hinder other people just because you can't get your way. Protesting is fine but you tend to lose public support by blocking roads,rail lines and acting like terrorists ala Caledonia.
Jimssm 1/5/2013 11:34:33 AM Report

A question for those of you intent on commenting on Chief Spence's weight or diet....

"those who live in glass houses......"
Ricatoni 1/5/2013 11:36:01 AM Report

Harper wants us to be communist this is a conservative dictatorship
Carol Martin 1/5/2013 11:37:41 AM Report

Comments questioning how our neighbours spend their money will be deleted because they perpetuate a racist myth that Anishinaabe and other First Nations citizens are supported by Canadian's tax dollars and Canadians are owed some explanation of how their money is being spent.

First Nations are sovereign nations. The transfer payments made to them are part of our obligations under treaties. Their governments are beholding to no one but their own citizens for the way they spend their money.

Canadians have no more right to ask how our neighbours in the Cree, Ojibway or other nations spend their money than we do to ask where the United States spends its money and, even if the majority of us believe the softwood lumber tariffs (for example) imposed on us by our American neighbours under one of the treaties we have with them are unfair we still have to pay them, just as we have to pay for the things our forefathers agreed to when the treaties were negotiated with our Cree, Ojibway, Iroquois and other neighbour nations.

We have a right to complain if we think a treaty is unfair but, to suggest that the nations we made that treaty with are accountable to our scrutiny is racist.
Jimssm 1/5/2013 11:41:11 AM Report

Steely....

They protest to produce a dialogue...which they have done.
People like you wouldn't like their actions anyways no matter what they did so I doubt they are looking for your approval.
You just want them to shut up and get to the back of the bus.

The sky never fell due to their protests and the world is still turning...

....get over it.


Slim Shady 1/5/2013 11:42:15 AM Report

@Jimssm

"...It has to do with allowing big corporations to exploit Native (and our) land without the same concern for the environment as is required now..."

So people may be protesting with a noble cause and I don't doubt the sincerity of you and many others, but overall its perhaps less about saving the land and more about who reaps the benefits of exploiting the land. Please don't try to disguise this and try to fool us all - THIS IS ALL ABOUT MONEY AND MOST IMPORTANTLY WHO CONTROLS IT.

Also if everyone was so concerned about nature and the environment, FN people would not hunt wildlife or gill net fish out of season. It should not be done "because they can or its their Native right" but they should realize that they can't because it is unsustainable and bad for all peoples.

One day everybody may realize that we are all in this together and we have evolved. If we are to survive we should not be turning back the clock trying to defend treaties that are irrelevant to our society.

The government has had enough of endless bailouts and payouts. The country can't sustain this, neither can our economy. This should have be addressed years ago. Nobody (both FN and the Government at the time) had the right to make Treaties with no expiration date. The world was a different place 200-250 years ago.



Tom_Bom 1/5/2013 11:44:51 AM Report

Fight the power!
KDawg 1/5/2013 11:53:15 AM Report

"We have a right to complain if we think a treaty is unfair but, to suggest that the nations we made that treaty with are accountable to our scrutiny is racist."

Attawapiskat is a reserve with less than 2,000 people and have received approx $18 million per year in federal funding since 2006. And yet the people there are freezing because they're forced to live in unheated shacks and tents.

And you dare suggest that those of us who want to ask why are racist? Typical milquetoast SooToday. Give your head a shake.
highway1 1/5/2013 12:19:30 PM Report

"Comments questioning how our neighbours spend their money will be deleted because they perpetuate a racist myth that Anishinaabe and other First Nations citizens are supported by Canadian's tax dollars and Canadians are owed some explanation of how their money is being spent."

"perpetuate a racist myth" is the point.
Tommy2Toes 1/5/2013 12:29:44 PM Report

@Carol Martin...

They are not Sovereign Nations. If they were, they would be recognized by the United Nations, which they are not. That gives us the right to ask for accountability when it comes to where our money is going and why.
KALEB 1/5/2013 12:38:12 PM Report

I try my best to be unbiased in situations like this. I educate myself on the viewpoints of all parties involved, and I ask questions to learn more when I don't understand certain points. At this time, I'm just finding it difficult to listen to. It's becoming exhausting :(
Zap 1/5/2013 12:46:20 PM Report

With the government officials getting huge bonus they are definitely great at keeping the people divided and conquered in this country by ignorance.
irishfey 1/5/2013 1:15:54 PM Report

Well,, correct me if i"m wrong,, and i"m sure some will, but isn"t this Spence woman the same one that was under investigation some time back about her living high on the hog while her village was suffering in poor conditions?? I don"t follow all this stuff as i have problems of my own, but i"m sure i heard that she was on a "" hunger strike"" when this all started and i just seen her on the news this morning and she don"t look like she"s starving to me. I seen some time ago that a few Chiefs were going to go to Iran and ask them for their help as Canada wasn"t doing enough for them... like what the HECK was that all about??? IRAN!!!!!... I kid you not... it was on the news maby a couple of months ago.. i couldn"t believe my eyes, nor ears!!.... Canadian Chiefs wanting help from IRAN??? I"m not saying any more on this as it sent shivers up my spine when i saw that!! Hope all this gets worked out,, without Irans help!!!! Get real!!
Jimssm 1/5/2013 1:16:11 PM Report

tommy2toes....

time to educate yourself.

The UN doesn't recognise US First Nations ....but they are sovereign.

I am not sure if our First Nations are sovereign or not ( or something in between) but UN recognition is not the way to know.

Jimssm 1/5/2013 1:35:36 PM Report

Slim....

....then leave the Native part out of Bill C-45 and discuss it.

Do you feel corporations should be able to run a pipeline or powerline wherever they want without regard for the impact? Or how about killing an entire fish population being ok now as long as they don't grow 2 heads or have tumors ? How about the majority of our lakes and rivers being removed from protection ? Is that a good thing ?

Yes, Idle no More is protesting the parts of Bill C-45 they don't like, but it's time these huge omnibus bills developed simply to avoid discussion go the way of the dinosaur.


"Omnibus bills are undemocratic"
-Stephen Harper (when in Opposition)
Jimssm 1/5/2013 1:47:24 PM Report

Silverstein...

Bill C-45 has nothing to do with the Natives 'opening their books' so I am not sure what you are talking about.

As well, "where the money is going" .... audited financial statements have been posted on here so often I am amazed you haven't read them.

Here's one so you don't have to search.

http://tinyurl.com/bqurt7e


There's so much BS and misinformation on here you really have to do your own research.
onlyblue 1/5/2013 1:52:56 PM Report

Wow... Carol martin you disgust me ... Any tax payer has the right to know where our money is goin ... Black white purple blue it doesn't matter ... These treaties are old and outdated and need to be updated .... And all racial bs aside EVERYONE should be treated the same ... When it comes to school,housing,work,healthcare,paying taxes .. just as some example..... But nooooooo its always about the almighty dollar that's all everything in today's society is about , so dont' piss on my leg and tell me its raining outside I have the rite to know where our money is going .. if you don't like it maybe no more handouts
kace 1/5/2013 2:03:43 PM Report

If we do not want in 20 years or less be telling our grandchildren of how wonderful that poisoned dead lake used to be or explaining why half of our family is dead or dying of cancer, then I would suggest you as a Proud Canadian arm yourselves with knowledge then react with the best of your ability. This reality is not so far off if we allow Steven Harper to fulfill his vision of Canada. As he once told a right wing American think tank "you will not recognize Canada when I am done with it".
Lovethenorth 1/5/2013 2:35:23 PM Report

Non-First Nations people (and I am one!): Get over it already. Treaties are legally binding and are not going away. You might as well wish for all Europeans to go back to Europe! Wait! Not a bad idea!

And the money the Canadian government gives to First Nations is per legally binding treaties between sovereign nations: The Government of Canada and individual First Nations. It is NOT WELFARE. The government OWES them!

Our European forebears--and white people today--have benefitted ENORMOUSLY from these treaties, as they allowed the settling and industrialization of Canada, with often devastating repercussions for First Nations people.

There is no statute of limitations for treaty rights! Just because a treaty has been around for a long time doesn't mean it's no longer legitimate.

Gee whiz--that dumb old Louisiana Purchase happened in 1803 and REALLY SCREWED OVER France. How about if we declare it null and void and give the following back to France: all of present-day Arkansas, Missouri, Iowa, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Nebraska; parts of Minnesota that were west of the Mississippi River; most of North Dakota; most of South Dakota; northeastern New Mexico; northern Texas; the portions of Montana, Wyoming, and Colorado east of the Continental Divide; Louisiana west of the Mississippi River, including the city of New Orleans; and small portions of land that would eventually become part of the Canadian provinces of Alberta and Saskatchewan. IT'S JUST A TREATY...HAPPENED A LONG TIME AGO...LET'S JUST TOSS IT OUT!

And finally...be VERY careful what you wish for. If treaties are revisited, what if the courts decide that First Nations got royally shafted and hand over control of most or all of the country back to them???

Finally, anyone who thinks that First Nations people are getting away with something doesn't know their Canadian history. The truth is, more often than not they got the shaft!

Jimssm 1/5/2013 2:41:00 PM Report

Steely....

as far as no explanation of where the money is going....



http://tinyurl.com/bqurt7e

Website for their AUDITED accounts which are published every year.

By the way, it is not published for the Canadian taxpayers benefit, it is for band members.

I will also point out (again) that Spence makes $70K/year, not a huge sum considering the cost of living in that area.

OMGWTF 1/5/2013 3:02:14 PM Report

CTV News reported last night the Chief Spence and her husband/significant other ( ie family) made $260,000 last year. So while she says it was only $70k the family income in her home was $260,000. Maybe her husband and her should look out their window at their neighbours and offer some of their income to her people to get them shelter before asking for more. Oh by the way, if you want to be sovereign then you need to take fiscal responsibility.
Hatch 1/5/2013 3:18:28 PM Report

@ KDawg

You are correct. When the asking for transparency becomes a racist comment, corruption is not far behind.
Slim Shady 1/5/2013 3:42:28 PM Report

@LovetheNorth

Your argument is akin to a kid saying "you pinky promised" to a parent therefore a deal is a deal.

It is ridiculous to think that these Treaties are relevant today? For example paying each Native $4 per month because that was agreed over 100 years ago?

Like I said earlier The government has had enough of endless bailouts and payouts. The country can't sustain this, neither can our economy. This should have be addressed years ago. Nobody (both FN and the Government at the time) had the right to make Treaties with no expiration date. The world was a different place 200-250 years ago.



mac2 1/5/2013 4:27:32 PM Report

so when an agreement is made, how long goes by before you can void the agreement?
Tommy2Toes 1/5/2013 4:31:34 PM Report

I'm actually starting to enjoy these illegal protests, they're gaining votes for the Conservative Gov't...keep it up IDM!
mac2 1/5/2013 5:01:32 PM Report

@ thim

watch some of that fellow's other shows on some of the same issues, take note of the numbers he puts forth, then go check out the real numbers, and how they are broken down, better yet, check out what both sides of the story, check out the bill in question, check out something, instead of putting one biased news clip up and thinking you are showing something new to people.
mac2 1/5/2013 5:05:23 PM Report

from there, you can start to check out what is really going on in the world, lol, if you think these are problems, wait till you get a load of this..........
mac2 1/5/2013 5:17:48 PM Report

@slim

lol?

go over here statements, go over yours, and again, lol?
mac2 1/5/2013 5:18:05 PM Report

her*
mac2 1/5/2013 5:27:31 PM Report

i have an hour to burn, lets talk about why you are against the idle no more movement!

from people looking for more handouts, to chiefs making millions and keeping it to themselves, all my taxes are going to the natives, uhm, what else, i saw a biased, controlled news show on tv, so it must be true, lol.
mac2 1/5/2013 6:03:49 PM Report

/crickets lol

no but seriously, for whatever reason you are against this movement, ask yourself why you are against it, then find out if you have solid evidence to support why you are, look at both sides, dig for information(if you are really are concerned enough), and then maybe comment.

you will be surprised what you find out , not only pertaining to this movement, but in everything.

there is a great big world out there(check out some independent news sources),
like i said earlier, wait till you get a load of this!

my hour is up, have a good evening!

firebird 1/5/2013 6:10:54 PM Report

I think Harper should have never given in, but I also thing the natives should not give up. Giving into terroist like demands is not a good idea for any Govt,, to take no matter what the issue is.
mac2 1/5/2013 6:15:58 PM Report

Terrorism - is the systematic use of terror, often violent, especially as a means of coercion.
mac2 1/5/2013 6:18:32 PM Report

i know firebird means well, no disrespect intended, peace.
moem 1/5/2013 6:46:17 PM Report

Omg when are people going to stop using the statement " natives don't pay taxes?" they do pay them and it's getting exhausting listening to them!!!!

And slim, so if treaties are old and outdated and should be made void, then I guess all of the land belongs to them then.... You can't have your cake and eat it too

The govt continues to bail out car companies, but everyone is soooo concerned with how much natives get and why lol

Maybe some day when we wake up and find that china owns our water, and we need to pay through the nose to get it... Like the gas we buy in the states, only worse, then maybe people will realize that we all need to stand up to the govt and fight for the protection of our land and resources.... This isn't a native issue really, it has turned into one bc they have chosen to stand up and protest and uneducated, ignorant and sometimes racist people have turned it into us vs them
67Tanger 1/5/2013 7:37:52 PM Report

Just another point to consider...these "idol no more" rallies are in contradiction to their movement. We were held up approx 40 minutes last week entering the Soo area.
How much pollution was sent into the atmosphere by all these vehicles "idoling" for hours a/c protesters blocking the highway? Does the first nation not care about polluting our great country??????
Also who footed the overtime bill for the numerous police backup. (OPP,CITY and FIRST NATION police)
How many...25 to 30 officers and a dozen more vehicles idling thru out the duration of the protests?
I thought they were protesting about controlling a clean environment.
Neon_Angel 1/5/2013 7:41:53 PM Report

All financial information can be found at the following.

http://www.attawapiskat.org/financial-statements/

You can read for yourself and decide for yourself.
Lovethenorth 1/5/2013 7:58:00 PM Report

OMG...don't even think about using the T word in reference to the Idle No More Protests. They are non-violent civil protest, following in the footsteps of Rosa Parks, Gandhi, Aung San Suu Kyi of Burma, and many others. All true democracies MUST welcome these types of protests! If it weren't for them, black people would still have to sit at the back of the bus!

The money the Canadian government gives to First Nations is OWED under international treaties--treaties that have vastly benefitted those of us who are descendents of European settlers. WE GOT THEIR LAND. ONE OF THE LARGEST COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD, FULL OF VALUABLE NATURAL RESOURCES. They got...what? A bit of land, money (but not what the land was worth), European diseases, alcohol, few jobs, the horrific, culturally destroying experience of residential schools....

Just because times are tough, that doesn't mean we can stop following treaties. It is a legal obligation, PERIOD. There is no expiry date! REALITY. Deal with it!

As for re-negotiating those agreements...I am sure First Nations would love that! Chances are excellent they'd end up with MORE, not less!

Anyone who thinks that Theresa Spence is living a life of luxury up there in Attiwapiskat is seriously deluded. Do your homework...Life is VERY HARD there. 1 grocery store. No jobs. 50% dropout rate. And...the legacy of residential schools...imagine what your family life would be like if several generations had kids kidnapped, sent away, and abused by the government! Makes a tough life all the more difficult!

Bottom line is...stop expecting First Nations people to follow white people's rules. Like it or not, they are treated differently. They always will be. Because their ancestors came to an agreement with our ancestors....And to not respect that is to spit on everything Canada stands for. Honour your agreements. Follow through on your committments. To do otherwise is to be a slimeball.

Timbob 1/5/2013 8:17:37 PM Report

@Carol Martin:

1.) You say, "Comments questioning how our neighbours spend their money will be deleted because they perpetuate a racist myth that Anishinaabe and other First Nations citizens are supported by Canadian's tax dollars and Canadians are owed some explanation of how their money is being spent."

What planet are you from? How twisted can your logic get?!

First Nations (at least as you recognize them) ARE in fact supported by Canadian tax dollars. Plain and simple. To say otherwise is a complete, fraudulent, lie.

And please explain to me what is "racist" about demanding full disclosure where our taxpayer dollars are spent?! I don't see how it has anything to do with race. It does, however, have everything to do with a healthy, properly functioning democracy.


2.) You say, "First Nations are sovereign nations. The transfer payments made to them are part of our obligations under treaties."

NOT true at all. Read the original treaties online. They are clearly written, approximately one page each, and legally signed by the Chiefs of the day. They essentially say that the Indians hereby agree to cede ALL land, forever, in exchange for a few reservations and approximately $2 per year. That's all.

The lies you perpetuate are exactly that. Lies.
moem 1/5/2013 8:20:51 PM Report

Tanger67 less than half live on reserve, and even fewer live and work there, they do pay taxes in many other ways.... Think about urban natives in places like Toronto, you think they are gassing up on reserves?? All natives pay the 5% tax and those off reserve pay income tax and property tax.... How do you justify residential schools?? How do you justify getting voting rights in 1960?? How do you justify treaties that took advantage of a group of people and exploited land? Do you really think they get even half of what this land is worth? Ha! It's a pittance it's shameful and hey as for idling... Turn your friggin car off then!!! Oh wait you're going to say it's too cold, well guess what they stood outside in the cold protecting the rights of all canadians... Hey I have a great idea how about nobody comments from this point forward unless they understand the facts and have read the bill... That would be great!!!
moem 1/5/2013 8:22:56 PM Report

Lovethenorth.....

Very well said!!! Thanks for bringing some intelligence to the party!!!
Lovethenorth 1/5/2013 9:55:49 PM Report

You're welcome, Moem. :-) Although I think it's a lost cause. The bottom line is many people are incapable of listening to reason on this subject. What I would like to know is WHERE IS ALL THE OUTRAGE ABOUT MP PENSIONS???? About the outrageous salaries that Canadian CEOs make, while workers are being laid off and job outsourced to the southern US and other countires? About the outrageous tax incentives given to hockey teams???

Where is all the outrage about Canadians who shop across, the border, paying taxes to Michigan and other US states, thus depleting the tax base in Canada?

Why so much blame, vitriol, and criticism for First Nations people, many of whom struggle with poverty, shoddy housing, lack of access to decent education and healthcare, and the destructive legacy of residential schools?

Seriously??? This is whom you choose to focus your anger on??? REALLY????

Why indeed. I am pretty sure I know why. It's the same reason that so many Americans dump on single mothers on welfare and illegal immigrants. People who have no power are easy scapegoats.

But FINALLY, First Nations people are showing their power.

And sadly, all so many people can do is dump on them for it.

I applaud them. For many years, every time I have driven through Garden River Reserve, I've thought about the fact that that is--as the bridge tells us--INDIAN LAND. They can close it off to us if they want to. It's THEIR LAND. Not Canada's. So tread carefully....





moem 1/5/2013 11:31:50 PM Report

You read my mind!!! The bonuses that govt folks got in December is sickening!! Mcguinty's resignation after essentially ruining the province and his severance package just to name a few outrageous things off the top of my head. I read a post on here before that said " anytime the govt wants to hide an issue or muddy the waters, they just toss in an indian" sadly it seems all too true, as issues and stories about our first nations people bring out the ugly in people. I think it's an awful world we live in when a story on here about the sault's new years baby couldn't have comments or well wishes because sootoday has realized that it would just have opened the door to despicable racist comments!!!
syndi 1/6/2013 2:30:43 AM Report

Do the ignoramus's never sleep in this city? Lets see who is crying the blues and wanting our Premier and Prime Minister to listen to them when they go to their fancy camps and find that they can no longer drink the water or fish the rivers, lakes and streams because they have no more protection and it has become unbearable to consume for beast or man!
mac2 1/6/2013 4:51:05 AM Report

hats off to the people of this city, when i first started seeing the comments of these forums, it was 80% hate, now it is 80% for!
firebird 1/6/2013 9:22:03 AM Report

What I ment was, The Gov should not have given in to protest. This opens the door for more actions like this. If she was on a hunger strike this long would she not be dead?..lol
Any way no disrespect intended but the treaties are vague. I think its time tear them up and while we are at it lets let Quebec go.
Lovethenorth 1/6/2013 10:04:15 AM Report

Firebird: You can't just tear up treaties. They are legally binding documents. Canada would become a pariah nation if we did that. Tearing up treaties arbitrarily has no place in a civilized democracy.

I have no problem with the government "giving in" to Theresa Spence. What did they give in to doing?? HAVING A MEETING!!! It's a perfectly reasonable demand!! It's not like she was asking for the prime minister to cut off his hand!

Treaties CAN be re-negotiated, but remember, it is very unlikely that First Nations people will end up with less if that happens. It's far more likely they will end up with MORE, because they were ripped off to begin with and times have changed: Courts/governments can no longer expect to get away with ripping off indigenous people. It's a different ballgame today. So calling for treaties to be re-negotiated is fraught with peril.

You don't like the vague-ness of the treaties? Be careful what you wish for. If treaties are re-negotiated, a lot MORE of your tax dollars could be flowing to First Nations.

tab&j 1/6/2013 1:04:33 PM Report

lets just give them back all there land and when we take it again this time they will get nothing
firebird 1/6/2013 9:15:59 PM Report

Well I just think giving in to the protest is a sign of weakness. I have to be honest I agree and applaud them standing up for what they believe is right. I do not like the fact they hinder me on my way to work or just out. This country is unarguably founded by thieves and murderers. Let’s face it, there for fathers got ripped off and treaties were signed. They are very vague and left to interpretation but that being said it was a deal they took way back when. I am sick of all the crying. The Gov rips us all off every day and that is not going to change.
Next time you protest, think of the person who does not care about your cause and leave us alone. We want to go to work without being detained. If this keeps up it some other idiot may turn it into another Ipperwash thing. Is that really worth it?? Protest in peace like you have been doing but obey the law, respect the flag and leave other people alone and out of it.
Thim 1/7/2013 12:17:13 PM Report

With all due respect to the first nations people, the financial audit just recently made public by the CBC shows Attawapiskat has gotten $104 million dollars in aid but with no indication of where it went after received. This doesn't count millions from mining.
Maybe the residents of this community should be looking at their own band council...enough with this smokescreen.
Thim 1/7/2013 5:01:11 PM Report

No more comments?
Reporters are now saying that since the auditors report was released they're not allowed to enter the compound housing Spence, her staff say she can't speak when fasting (National Post).
Silverstein 1/7/2013 10:45:44 PM Report

Jimssm did u read that audit???? Because you know I did. Like i said i'm not going to feel sorry for chief hunger strike with that much money going to the natives... how does a community of 1,500 blow over $100 Million and still be garbage... Where did it go????

Pathetic I have no sympathy at all...I hope the taxpayers start their own idle no more, people will block off the reserves till our money stops funding this nonsense.

Unbelievable....
67Tanger 1/7/2013 11:54:25 PM Report

Well put Silverstien....so far they have left your response for the public to view. The "editor-in-chief" does not
seem to like these comments!!!!!!!
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