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David Orazietti talks MNR cuts

Friday, September 28, 2012   by: Jordan Allard

The Ministry of Natural Resources is cutting 130 jobs in an effort to help eliminate Ontario's deficit and streamline operations, but Sault Ste. Marie MPP David Orazietti stressed the local impact will be minimal.

Along with the job reductions - 28 full-time and 102 seasonal positions - 10 parks with low visitation rates have been re-designated to non-operational by the province.

The newly downgraded parks will remain open, but will not be staffed when the changes will come into effect next season.

“Those parks had limited financial sustainability,” said Orazietti. “In order to help deal with our financial reality we looked at parks being used far less frequently.”

The 10 re-designated parks are: Caliper Lake (Nestor Falls), Fushimi Lake (Hearst), Greenwater (Cochrane), Ivanhoe Lake (Foleyet), Mississagi (Elliot Lake), Obatanga (Wawa), Rene Brunelle (Kapuskasing), Springwater (Midhurst), Tidewater (Moosonee) and The Shoals (Chapleau).

The cuts are part of the province’s MNR transformation plan aimed at ‘modernizing’ the ministry over a three-year period.

Orazietti said four seasonal positions related to the Ontario Ranger Program will be lost in the Sault and no local parks have been downgraded.

Rebranded the Stewardship Youth Ranger program, no longer are workers to required stay overnight, removing the need for costly accommodations.

Last year, the ranger program hired 1,974 summer students and Orazietti pledged that number will not drop moving forward.

“The changes we've made will allow the program to continue,” said Orazietti. “The MNR hires the largest number of summer students per ministry each year and the ranger program is a big part of that.”

The cuts and changes to the MNR will net the province annual savings of $7.1 million throughout their three-year plan and eliminate $12.3 million in future capital costs.

Algoma-Manitoulin MPP Michael Mantha is frustrated by the government's action towards provincial parks in the northern part of the province.

Mantha thinks our parks are being unfairly targeted after the early close of provincial parkland this summer and reductions announced this week to the MNR.

“It's very discouraging to see more cuts,” said Mantha. “These cutbacks show how far out of touch the (Dalton) McGunity government has become with Northern Ontario residents.”

Saying low visitation rates aren't a justified reason for staffing decreases - Mantha feels these types of decisions need to be made by those who understand the region and impact job losses can have.

“The government has lost touch with the realities of the north,” said Mantha. “Things look different when you're running numbers in Toronto.”

Mantha is disappointed the MNR is being targeting by the province for cuts considering the north is home to a large portion of the natural resources in Ontario.

He said funding to the MNR was slashed by 30 percent in 2011 and 6 percent in the past year.

"When individuals within the ministry are telling me they're having a hard time doing their job, we need to make a change," Mantha said.

Orazietti said the province simply targeted parks that were not drawing visitors and countered cuts within the MNR's transformation plan will not have a significant impact to public services and major decisions made within the ministry.

He pointed to the forestry division of the MNR in Sault Ste. Marie, which has escaped cuts in the modernization plan thus far, as proof.

"We're making a transformation that will have the least impact to public services and protect the greatest number of decisions possible," Orazietti said.
 

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Wheels17 9/28/2012 4:21:06 PM Report

What the hell is wrong with David Orazietti and the other politicians. He and Brian Hayes isn't even defending us for anything anymore. If they keep this act up, Sault Ste. Marie will have no jobs and no government services to access anymore. They need to wake up and realize what they are doing before it's too late.
honda1984 9/28/2012 4:36:29 PM Report

and what about the cuts or should i say the mess they have created sending our hunting and fishing licensis down to the states.....very good job creation i am sure not to far down the road the mps will be getting a raise anyway
Dictionary 9/28/2012 4:41:20 PM Report

i predict an orange wave across the north in the years to come.
tcowen 9/28/2012 5:59:46 PM Report

It's all fun and games, until some one loses a vote.. agency puppets have no idea what's happening at street level.

Most have never worked an hard day in their life..

It's too bad that it took this many jobs lost for people to see through him.

This is what happens when politics becomes a popularity contest..
jimbobdog1 9/28/2012 6:27:37 PM Report

These rectums have no problem spending millions on consultants, failed ehealth boondoggles, cancelling gas-fired power plants, and spending a fortune on Ornge flights of fancy. Then they cut parks, railways, etc. What should be cut is every perk, pension and benefit that these anal idiots receive. I'm sick of this crap!
Boomer4771 9/28/2012 6:59:24 PM Report

ORAZIETTI states " The local impact will be minimal ". What a dumb ass. Any job loss is not minimal. It affects all of us.
prodigal son 9/28/2012 6:59:34 PM Report

I almost feel sorry for David O. The very things he would have been railing against a few years ago he's now pretending to fully support. When he loses the next election, which he surely will, he'll have to go back to teaching. He'll never win another osstf election and will be hated by his peers. It'd be nice to see him grow a set and speak out against the Liberals but that will never happen.
I'm In 9/28/2012 7:11:22 PM Report

I like the orange wave coming its long over due, working poor and middle class should always vote orange their the ones that got you the health and benefit care that the other two parties are eroding.
cjborg 9/28/2012 7:16:34 PM Report


“It's very discouraging to see more cuts,” said Mantha. “These cutbacks show how far out of touch the (Dalton) McGunity government has become with Northern Ontario residents.”

Saying low visitation rates aren't a justified reason for staffing decreases - Mantha feels these types of decisions need to be made by those who understand the region and impact job losses can have.

“The government has lost touch with the realities of the north,” said Mantha. “Things look different when you're running numbers in Toronto.”

Unquote: What planet is Mantha from anyways... La La land??? Since when does park use not matter in a decision like this?

Cuts are never nice, easy or even pretty... But..... & a big But... who has a logical and viable alternative. We have to begin to get our costs under control.....

It will be good to see what solutions the NDP "Rump" Party have to offer, and who will be running for them and the Concervatives.

The Liberal Party for Ont. have made a lot of mistakes for sure... (i.e. Out of Control Education Costs, Gas Plant reversal, etc. etc.) but who has a more honest and viable platform to offer?

I for one will be looking at all the decisions made in the past number of years (by all parties) and will then try to make an informed voting decision as to what candidate, Party and Leader appears to offer the best possible solution...
BigDaddy 9/28/2012 7:38:28 PM Report

cjborg, you are being way too generous...yes all parties made mistakes but nothing compared to the last 9 years of hell...Liberals destroyed this province: health premium "tax", BILLIONS BLOWN...BILLIONS. It is proven that this party has increased taxes the most ever and are bringing in the most revenue...EVER..and they are still broke. Complete incompetence.
Lovethenorth 9/28/2012 7:57:23 PM Report

What fries my bacon is MNR is a tiny Ministry yet the govt is trying to balance the budget on MNR's back. 2/3 of Ont. govt spending is health and education; that's where the real efficiencies lie--where is the scrutiny of how THEY do business! All day junior kindergarten is a Very expensive daycare staffed with teachers rather than less expensive early childhood educators. Keeping elderly patients in hospitals rather than opening more nursing home beds when hospitalization costs way more is crazy. What I want to know is WHY MNR? Cuts to MNR disproportionately hurt northern/rural Ont!
ehbcd 9/28/2012 8:02:08 PM Report

Normal government reaction to saving money, cut jobs and eliminate services. Instead of thinking on how to save money and keep jobs, like get rid of the planes and helicopters, boats, 4 wheelers, skidoos and 4x4 trucks, conduct your spot checks on the highways like you currently do. There is no need for you to be crawling over every inch of the bush, most hunters/fishermen are honest. You could have saved more money getting rid of the toys, insurance for them and gas they use, than you did in getting rid of the jobs.
girlfriend 9/28/2012 8:28:32 PM Report

Looks like every middle class, hardworking person in Ontario is going to get hit. MNR, teachers, OPSEU - all of these groups are the middle class. The Liberals created this huge debt and they need to fix it. Top down, not bottom up! The fat cats at the top are laughing all the way to the bank. Wake up Ontario, expecially Northern Ontario. Let's all throw our hats into the ring next election. There is a $240,000 dollar severance package in it if you get kicked out after a few years because you lied through your teeth to get elected and now everyone wants you gone. Who do you trust? Politicians can say what ever they want and apparently do what ever they want!
Ginga 9/28/2012 10:37:06 PM Report

But they all got their raises a cabinet members politicians How did they sleep at night
Jack Ford 9/29/2012 12:23:25 AM Report

Has Mr.Awesome given any numbers on how much money will be saved by closing these parks?

If the parks are not viable why isn't the government selling the property?

These parks were all seasonal parks with seasonal staff. These are kids making minimum wage for the most part. The Shoals has 3 staff members making more than that....3.... and the park is only open for July and August. Huge cost cutting measure there Dalton.

The parks in Southern Ontario are money making machines with millions in revenue while the Northern Parks are a money losing venture. So they will hack and slash and call it cost cutting. The reality is the people in charge need to go and have some new blood in these organizations with some new ideas!

Services in Southern Ontario parks are exploding, from animal viewing and canoe rentals, to sea doo rentals and hunting packages in some parks. IN the North you are evicted for listening to music after 8pm.

There are private parks flourishing in the North with half the staff and services offered in Provincial parks for close to the same prices per night
( seasonal rates can be half of that offered in provincial parks).....yet the Ministry of No Results is broke....where is the money folks???

The Natural Resource sector as a whole has been getting tore up for years.

This has left Conservation Officers charging everybody they talk to in order to justify their jobs.20 year old Park Wardens charging people for having too much fun in a park to generate revenue and round and round it goes.....

How about that Bear Wise jack around! No Dalton, we don't need bear techs here in the north, a 1-800 number will do the same thing in place of a technician.All else fails just call the OPP or Local Police they have the same education as a Natural Resource Technician....

This is just my rant ....

Jack

as for the person calling the teachers middle class please tell me that was meant as a joke.....
speed7 9/29/2012 11:06:00 AM Report

ford yes teachers are in the low to middle class. Your thinking of those older folks either close to retirement or retired. Or you are thinking of principals and administrators in the board. Not everyone is on the same pay scale. It's all based on rank and seniority. Grouping together salaries is a fooolish statement in itself.... just saying.

Also to the orange wave comment... they are all posters towing the party line. You wont see much difference. The thought of the sault giving tony martin another term curdles my blood thinkiing about it. Give 2 pension tony another number of years in the sault doing nothing?... ahhhhh not for me? Sorry.
Jack Ford 9/29/2012 12:01:36 PM Report

Thanks Speed

I guess I just find that lumping teachers into this cause is weak.
The park staff that have taken the hit here work 2-4 months a year....it's kind of the polar opposite working schedule of teachers. And the staff wage is hardly that of a teacher, mostly minimum wage.

As for the parks closing topic, here's something to look forward to:
In 2007 the Ontario government allowed the privatization of operations in some sections of Algonquin Park. The Northern Parks will be next.

Jack
sitka_archie 9/29/2012 12:14:04 PM Report

I sincerely hope the "orange wave" stays the hell out of the North. They'll have us priced right out of jobs, and tax the hell out of any corporations that take an interest in the North.

W. Yote 9/29/2012 12:27:00 PM Report

How about stop making parks in areas where the only people that go there are not the type of people looking for a "park experience" (eg lands for life and Algoma Headwaters).

Let the people looking for a trailer park experience go to Michigan, where they are all going now because it is less expensive with more amenities. Don't stop Ontario residents from camping on their own land.


As for the notion of the "wave of orange" saving the north!?? Do we not have a memory people? We have been down that road.

The only way to have a voice in the North is to elect MPP's who answer only to the North (a party for the North) or to separate altogether. Otherwise whether orange, blue or red they will be towing the party line which is directed by the votes in the South.

Ps -speed- shhhhhh... Not everything is about your low income teachers, of which 60% of them make 94k+ a year (fact).

Jack Ford 9/29/2012 2:29:08 PM Report

Mr. Yote

The Algoma Headwaters and other "parks" of that nature were never intended to be used as anything other than a money leveraging system for the Ontario Government.In a means to leverage more, the lands were appropriated(what a wonderful word). I wonder how legal it would be for me to appropriate my neighbours back yard because he doesn't really use it enough...or his use is lowering the value of the area....

In 2007 the Ontario Government set aside 30 million annually to run netting schedules in Ontario lakes. This was done in an effort to leverage the value of Ontario fisheries. It was to be a 15 year plan and each lake was to be "evaluated" 3 times(once every 5 years). The evaluation process includes harvesting thousands of fish and either returning the fish to the lake or digging a hole in the ground (the fish are killed in the process)....well now that budget has been slashed and hacked and the schedule has been reduced and the first 5 years have been a waste.But what's 150 million in the grand scheme of things......lol...David and Dalton have a plan I'm sure.

Perhaps just closing the MNR offices in Northern Ontario and centralizing them in either Barrie or Sudbury or further away will save the money the government wants....

Jack

t55 9/29/2012 10:18:17 PM Report

Yet the morons in the Soo keep voting for him. Blame yourselves. And to the idiot that predicted an orange wave, go back on welfare idiot that would kill us for sure in case you haven't noticed there is no difference between Liberal & NDP.
geterdun 9/30/2012 2:58:07 PM Report

just another arrow in the back of those who live in the North.......Thanks Dave O and Dalton M and Rick B.....I havnt camped here in like ten years anyway...We go state side now thanks to the increses in tax and every other thing these dirty politicians can get their grimmy hands on.LOL So to me it dont matter but for those who depend on this tourist money like the Voyageur rest and any other business in Batchewana or points North to bad you will be closed in a matter of time thanks to the Liberal goverment.........cant wait for next year we are already planning a great two week trip into the states probably spend like a few thousand dollars over there .LMAO...Ontario the land of taxed to death and very rich Liberal Politicians...............kinda makes you wonder just what kinda of a path these liberal morons are taking you on dont it???????? you voted them in now you must pay the liberal fiddlers just sayin.Ontario is going under folks better buy a boat.LMAO
tcowen 9/30/2012 3:50:34 PM Report

I think it's about time they stopped calling it a "Party".. make work projects like targeted wage subsidies, amount to little more then corporate welfare.

Creating the illusion of a job for 19 weeks then letting the worker go when the placement is up.. never intending to hire any one full time, these companies have been draining us for decades.

Eliminating one job with the MNR pays for three pretend jobs at Canadian Tire.. or six training placements at a Wind-farm.

It all looks good on paper & that's all Brian & David are worried about..
girlfriend 9/30/2012 9:31:31 PM Report

W.Yote pssst... most middle class people make 60- 150k. In the US they consider middle class 250k (romni does anyway). Police, nurses, Essar workers, firefighters, OLG workers - all make about the same. Fact.
Cormorant 10/1/2012 4:45:07 PM Report

No need, folks, to run around the Northern barnyard and squawk about the MNR cuts to our parks. Already applications are on the books to privatize parks and operate many of these on a lease basis. There'll be jobs and best of all profits and the Ontario government just collects the private lease fees with no liabilities.

Some people just complain while others take advantage of change and do something positive.
speed7 10/4/2012 12:21:18 AM Report

Mr Ford, i think people in your line of work are very hard working especially when it comes to the upkeep of provinical parks and our natural perserved forests. I agree the wages suck when its kind of similar to what someone gets in the private sector. Forestry reserach is also another area where the hits came long ago and I think these cuts are just in general are totally irresponsible. Thinking how big natural resources is and how much timber harvesting that needs to be replaced with new forest vegetation. Also science which studies ecoystems and monitors them. We cant really progress like this with bare bones support anymore . I think MNR is going to be a privatized entity. Very sad. But it will only have negative effects on the economy.
speed7 10/4/2012 12:38:25 AM Report

Yote i HAVE NO IDEA what you are talking about? I am not a teacher and have stated that many times to you. So you Shhhhh!
Your facts are worthless to me? Your pretty good at spreading propaganda around about teachers. If you hate them that much talk about it with your teacher friends then? Not me.
speed7 10/4/2012 12:52:21 AM Report

TCowen I agree with you. Seasonal work in Canada? who thought that one up? Sure the student programs help students but it does divert jobs from others too. I've never agreed with seasonal work. I think every Canadian deserves credit for their time put in working. In European system it used to be tracked you got a score for every job you worked hours in. This was tracked and it was placed towards a private pension on top of any other goverment pensions. It's only fair. If the work is seasonal then its only because the goverment can do what they want based on the flavour of what party rules at the time. Not fair. People working for years with no real promise of a full time job. Waiting off the sidelines. What kind of a Canada is this? Work your ass off and then no personal pension on the road to retirement? And CPP is bieng pulled back to 67? What????? The Europeans now how to do it. Italy Sweden, Germany. They got it right! We are way off base here in Canada.
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