Catholic board won't oppose teachers taking part in PrideThursday, June 12, 2014 by: Darren Taylor
Huron-Superior Catholic District School Board (HSCDSB) trustees have turned down a resolution asking the board to oppose the Ontario English Catholic Teachers Association’s decision to take part in the World Pride Day Parade in Toronto June 29.
The HSCDSB resolution was defeated by secret ballot at the board’s regular meeting Wednesday.
The resolution proposed that a letter be sent by the board to OECTA, asking OECTA teachers to withdraw from the parade.
Trustee Kathleen Rosilius, the Huron-Superior board trustee who brought forward the protest resolution, told SooToday.com she believes in protecting students who are gay or lesbian from bullying, but that chastity should be practiced by both gay and straight students within the Catholic school system.
Earlier, Rosilius read out a written statement to the board.
”The Gay Pride parade’s intent appears to be to shock rather than educate and build inclusive communities,” Rosilius said.
“After all, ‘Pride’ is about the social acceptance of the gay lifestyle.”
“Our Catholic Church doesn’t condone the gay lifestyle,” Rosilius said.
“Due to the appalling sexual nature of some of the activities at this event, it has become more of a spectacle and has been portrayed as a deliberate defiance against moral values and Catholic teaching.”
“This cannot be reconciled with the Catholic teachings in our schools,” Rosilius said.
Rosilius also pointed out that Catholic bishops and parent groups have spoken out against OECTA’s planned participation in the parade, and that other Catholic school boards in London and York region have passed motions requesting OECTA not take part in the parade.
Trustee Bill Murphy, by teleconference, also spoke out in favour of the resolution, defending what he termed “the benefits of monogamous, heterosexual marriage” and reminded trustees of the Huron-Superior board’s pledge “to uphold Catholicity.”
Laurie Aceti, another trustee who participated by teleconference, said she would oppose the resolution and adopt the equivocal ‘who am I to judge?’ stance taken by Pope Francis, leader of the world’s Roman Catholics, in regards to gay people.
John Caputo, a trustee who was absent from Wednesday’s meeting, had sent a letter to be read out which outlined his opposition to the resolution.
Caputo’s letter stated his belief that the Huron-Superior board’s duties should be restricted to issues such as quality of education and finances, not personal choices people make in regards to their lifestyle.
Alex Camirand, student representative from St. Basil secondary school, said students he had spoken with “feel very strongly about supporting gay students in the school community…it’s encouraging that OECTA is supporting this.”
Tiann Nantais, student representative from St. Mary’s College, said students she had spoken with appreciated OECTA’s participation as a show of support for gay students, but agreed that the parade’s activities are “inappropriate.”
Katrina Wheaton, Huron-Superior OECTA unit president, told SooToday.com Tuesday that she and unit vice-president Darrell Czop will be part of the OECTA delegation attending the Parade.
Wheaton said OECTA planned to be at the parade to support LGBTQ students, teachers and staff, while not “endorsing activity that would go against the Church’s teaching on chastity.”
It is not known how many Huron-Superior teachers and students will be attending the parade.
“In our faith community there are many views and we have to be respectful of all of the views, conservative or liberal…the trustees with their votes have made their decision and we live with that decision,” said John Stadnyk, HSCDSB director of education.
“It’s a contentious issue because of the conflict with the teaching of the Catholic catechism, but OECTA is a union that represents Catholic teachers, and in their governance process, they can make decisions and whether we agree with them or not, that’s their prerogative to make their decisions,” Stadnyk said.
Big specks no wammies 6/12/2014 9:33:09 AM Report
Way to go Kathy Rosilius! At least you are NOT afraid to speak out for what you believe to be right. AND YOU ARE RIGHT! It is one thing for OECTA representatives to support those with gay, bisexual and transgender issues but to go out and openly support the GAY PRIDE PARADE which is an outlandish display of inappropriate sexual acts and nudity is absurd. Too bad the rest of those useless Trustees don't follow the very Catholic values they are expected to uphold in their position. IT IS CLEAR THEN THAT ONLY ONE SCHOOL BOARD IS NECESSARY... How then is the Catholic School Board a distinct entity when they support such lewd LIBERAL events? Today, vote for anyone who will get rid of the Catholic Board and the excessive Catholic teachers who do not follow the principles and values of Christianity.
MYPOINT 6/12/2014 10:02:52 AM Report
The GAY PRIDE PARADES are NOT for supporting gay and lesbian lifestyles at all in my opinion. What they actually are is a bunch of idiots parading around in their underwear ( or even less ) and using the gay and lesbian banners as a reason for doing so. When are the people on this planet finally going to wake up and see these parades for what they truly are instead of trying to have one side bash the other side?
I agree with "Big specks no wammies" when they made the comments "Way to go Kathy Rosilius! At least you are NOT afraid to speak out for what you believe to be right. AND YOU ARE RIGHT! It is one thing for OECTA representatives to support those with gay, bisexual and transgender issues but to go out and openly support the GAY PRIDE PARADE which is an outlandish display of inappropriate sexual acts and nudity is absurd. Too bad the rest of those useless Trustees don't follow the very Catholic values they are expected to uphold in their position. IT IS CLEAR THEN THAT ONLY ONE SCHOOL BOARD IS NECESSARY... How then is the Catholic School Board a distinct entity when they support such lewd LIBERAL events? Today, vote for anyone who will get rid of the Catholic Board and the excessive Catholic teachers who do not follow the principles and values of Christianity.".
Your views may differ :)
GoHoundsGo 6/12/2014 10:34:54 AM Report
@ My Point...was it really necessary to copy and paste almost all of whammies responce...seriously?
The Gay Pride parade and its messenge might go against your teachings/faith and beliefs, they certainly don't go against everyones. While I'm an atheist, and think you're all bunch of koo koos for believing in what you do. I certainly respect your right to do so. So why don't the rest of you respect others for the decisions and beliefs or lack there of. I understand the arguement about the "catholic and christian" church/schools/representatives taking part in such an event and what messenge it might send, but why don't you take some advice from your chuches leader and be more accepting and from your saviour "judge lest you be judged". The christian church might rail against the LGBGT comumunity, but nowhere in the new testament of your holy book does it mention anything about it...please correct me if I'm wrong, but please include book...chapter and verse.
MikeQ 6/12/2014 10:46:24 AM Report
I think the question here is if there is a difference between tolerance and compromise. I choose to love, but at arm's distance. I choose to tolerate other's beliefs, but not to compromise my own.
Perhaps the catholic school board should ask that same questions. "Does my tolerance of others require me to compromise my own values?"
It is quite confusing though when the Catholic school board says that they are educating students on catholicism, but at the same time support (and/or be a part of) something that Christianity and the Bible speak against. If they are teaching anything to their students, it's that you can have a double-standard within your own values/traditions if it's deemed more politically correct.
babcia 6/12/2014 10:55:21 AM Report
I speculate that most of you have never ventured to Toronto, nor experienced such a parade first hand. I therein find it "outlandish" that you would so strongly advocate against something that you can only formulate assumptions about.
Human beings were born of flesh, if a naked body frightens you so, then that in itself frightens me.
Let's all re-adjust our moral compasses and come to the realization that the ideals for which the church stand for are above all acceptance and understanding.
thera 6/12/2014 12:02:40 PM Report
Well said! It seems that a lot of people of "faith" are only accepting and tolerant of others when those others have similar opinions and views.
A true Christian or Catholic or any other person of faith wouldn't care how another person lives their life - I remember another popular bible saying: "You shall love your neighbour as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these." Mark 12:31
jerjer 6/12/2014 12:28:17 PM Report
Oh I completely agree the gay pride parade, has become something it shouldnt have over the years, the parade was started so gay people can be recongized as normal humanes like everyone else, however the activities that they carry on during the parade is not something I would like to be apart of, and being gay makes me think like wow all these people are doing is making us gays look like all we think about is nudity and sexual things!!
travelingman 6/12/2014 12:29:07 PM Report
Calling it a pride parade does not make it such. If this parade had anything at all to do with pride then there would not be all of the nudity and depravity that takes place on a public street. I find it disgusting that we have lowered our beliefs and morals to the point that people believe that they need to support behavior such as this in order to not be labelled as "homophobic" or "prejudiced"! I also find it disgusting that a union has the power to stop Catholic's from being Catholic. There is nothing wrong with being gay. There is everything wrong with flaunting depravity in public under the guise that this is how normal people should behave and it is publicly acceptable.
Notperfect 6/12/2014 12:43:12 PM Report
Congratulations to the trustees for the courage to oppose the resolution put forward by Kathleen Rosilius - a known extremist who tries to force her intolerant views on others! We all need to be tolerant and love every person.
Has Rosilius seen the parade?
Let us be proud of our colleagues and co-workers who are gay!
mpa 6/12/2014 12:54:02 PM Report
The catholic School Board and its union is a joke, it should be about religion and not politics.
Just make one board.
Frio 6/12/2014 2:09:02 PM Report
Vote for the Green Party..They where the only political party who brought issue up the duplication and waste of taxpayer money having 2 school board systems where one religion is favoured over all others. The Separate School Board is also legally allowed to practice discrimination against teachers and staff by only hiring those that meet their qualifictions based on religion.
Religion and religious beliefs can be taught at home,in the church, or under a tree, but not in the public schools paid for by all taxpayers.
Nunavut 6/12/2014 2:28:56 PM Report
Well gohoundsgo …………I will correct you , it is quite clear in the Bible…….
Romans chapter 1 verse 24 "Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator— who is forever praised. Amen. 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them"....end of quote
So the various Christian religions that ignore this teaching are doing so to be politically correct instead of being Godly taught correct.
BlackHelix 6/12/2014 3:01:16 PM Report
And in your quote is also says that children who disobey their parents are deserving of death.
So I guess next time your kids talk back to you it's off with their heads?
Ohhhhh I get it. You're just picking which ones to follow and which ones to not.
Pot, meet kettle.
BlackHelix 6/12/2014 3:01:59 PM Report
Or are you just being politically correct?
MikeQ 6/12/2014 3:12:15 PM Report
Technically, you are right. Those who disobey their parents do deserve death...however, because Christ died on the Cross, he took the penalty of all those sins. The Bible says to Repent (which is to ask forgiveness, and TURN AWAY from) of your sins, and accept your salvation.
So technically, all of those things are sins deserving death, but the Bible teaches if we turn away from them, and accept Christ's saving power, that we can still receive eternal life.
Question asked...Question answered ;)
jojoe71 6/12/2014 3:18:47 PM Report
I'm not judging but think about it. If all gay people lived in a separate country wouldn't they Eventually disappear ?
ron van damne 6/12/2014 3:23:42 PM Report
if only we could be so lucky to have them all disappear.Any Catholic who would support Sodomy is a heretic.
BlackHelix 6/12/2014 3:24:58 PM Report
You can think your kids deserve to die for disobeying you and that's fine
I have more respect for my kids than that.
thera 6/12/2014 3:33:58 PM Report
If Christ took everybody's punishment for their sins (and apparently forever going forward in time), then no one needs to worry about gay people or their lifestyle. People need to stop the hate and judgement (judge not lest ye be judged).
I really hope that post was just a joke and not serious. If you are serious, I have a question for you: How are you still alive and breathing? Afflicted with that level of stupidity, well people usually don't live too long...
riverman 6/12/2014 6:08:13 PM Report
You seem to forget that my parents are straight. Gay people don't make gay babies; straight people do. You could relocate or eradicate every gay person alive on earth today but thereafter between 4 and 10 per cent of all the children in the world will be born gay. We're here, we're queer...get used to it.
I have attended the Pride parade in Toronto dozens of times but I have not witnessed the depravity to which so many of you ignorant people refer. There is a group of naturalists (i.e. nudists) who do parade with their genitalia exposed. I tend to not look because most of them are close to being senior citizens and they are not particularly fit or attractive. I find nothing sexual about their nudity, and that's the only illegal nudity I have ever seen in all of the many parades I have attended. There are bare breasts, but that is completely legal in this province (and--SURPRISE--even in Sault Ste. Marie!). I have NEVER seen an indecent act (or even the simulation of one) being performed in the parade.
Here's what I have seen represented in the parade: families, couples, seniors, politicians and political activists, teachers, every religious denomination imaginable, drag queens, drag kings, nightclubs and dance bars, dancers, multicultural groups, priests, ministers, rabbis, LGBT firemen and their heterosexual co-workers, LGBT and heterosexual police officers marching together, LGBT and straight paramedics, men and women in their leather attire...the list goes on and on. Last year I watched a float go by on which same-sex couples were being married. The streets are lined with a million plus spectators-yes, even families with their children--who are there of their own free will.
It will be interesting to see the local reactions to the Sault's first Pride Festival which is being planned for later this year.
SmAsHed 6/12/2014 9:09:06 PM Report
@Black Helix: thank you for your posts. I am in agreement with the points that you've made, particularly in how organized religions tend to have a 'pick and choose' philosophy regarding what they follow to the letter.
I'm so glad that Kathleen Rosilius didn't get to inflict her intolerance on this situation.
nurse-boi 6/13/2014 5:18:15 PM Report
Wow is an understatement for the ignorance and hatred that is spewed on here. To stand in the front of a group of people and makes statements such as the one's Kathlyn R. did, shows that she has not attended a Pride Parade nor has a clue as to what happens at one. For the people on here with your hate mongering messages, I hope that your children disobey you on a regular basis and see that you are all poor examples to follow. Rivermen, you highlighted great points of the parades, I have seen 4, you have identified many of the participants, not to mention major Corporations and Financial Institutions that participate and fund events. I am not sure what church some of you attend (probably many of you none on a regular basis) but my church skipped the sermon that you are referring to here in the bible that says love thy self and only those like me and hate the rest.
For the many commentaries on here, I am quite sure that you have not stepped out of Sault Ste Marie and seen any part of the world. There are many events that have the lewd acts you speak of that do not happen at Pride and you don’t seem to be bashing, Mardi Gras being one.
@Jojo why don’t you just change your handle to Nazi or Hitler123, because that was his mentality with the Jewish, you should be ashamed of yourself.
hockey33 6/13/2014 5:27:34 PM Report
Nunavut the bible is just another book, it really has no real meaning to it. Any idiot could of wrote it, it is just words on paper. And for those of you who think pride is a joke, go see it for yourself, I bet you will have the time of your life. I really wish people would stop saying such rude things about gays. What if your son, daughter, grandson, granddaughter, sister, brother, or someone very close to you was gay?
VoicingConcerns 6/15/2014 2:08:47 PM Report
What concerns me most about the vote on this issue was reading that the vote was done by Secret Ballot. Why would a vote be taken by Secret ballot? Do the trustees Not have the courage to stand behind their vote? Trustees should be accountable to the public, and votes regarding HSCDSB resolutions should Not be carried out by secret ballot. There should be transparency in Governance and there should be No Secrets with any “public” Board that has the responsibility and duty to be accountable to the people whom they serve. Any Trustee who is not prepared to be clear and transparent about how they vote on an issue, should Not seek re-election.
Secondly, the Director of Education stated that “…OECTA is a union that represents Catholic teachers, and …they can make decisions and …., that’s their prerogative to make their decisions,” That obviously goes without saying. However, the Board of HSCDSB also have the prerogative to make decisions. Most Catholic school supporters believe that trustees of a CATHOLIC board are commissioned and entrusted to uphold Catholic beliefs and values, or they should not choose to be a Trustee of the Catholic Board of Education.
Furthermore, the trustees appear to have confused supporting a “Gay Parade” attendance with Respecting people who are gay. As we know, all human life has the right to be respected, including gays and heterosexuals alike. However, going to a flamboyant parade (with recycled public funds) that has public nudity is quite another matter.
Perhaps the growing number of Ontarians are correct when they state that there should be only ONE Public school system!