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Fair and lower taxes: Fremlin

Monday, May 12, 2014   by: Staff



“The Ontario PCs will replace the McGuinty-Wynne Liberals’ corporate welfare programs with fair and lower taxes that will create 120,000 new jobs.”

Today Rod Fremlin, PC Candidate for Sault Ste. Marie was proud to support Tim Hudak and the Ontario PC’s plan to create 120,000 new jobs by replacing McGuinty-Wynne corporate welfare programs with fair and lower taxes for all employers.

“High taxes are driving jobs out of Ontario. We have witnessed it across Northern Ontario and locally here in Sault Ste. Marie”, said Fremlin.

“While workers and small businesses struggle to stay afloat, Dalton McGuinty and Kathleen Wynne hand out billions of dollars of corporate welfare to well-connected multinational corporations.”

Only Tim Hudak and the Ontario PC Party have a plan to replace McGuinty-Wynne corporate welfare programs with fair and lower taxes for all employers.  

“By reducing these taxes by 30% we will create 120,000 new jobs”, said Fremlin.

A Tim Hudak Ontario PC government will take Ontario out of the crony capitalism business. 

Our Million Jobs Plan will give everyone a level playing field and a fair shot.

For more information on the Ontario PC Million Dollar Plan please visit


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OrlandoFlorida 5/12/2014 12:04:00 PM Report

Since Ontario has some of the lowest corporate taxes in North America, maybe its not taxes that are driving manufacturing jobs from the province but outrageous ELECTRICITY COSTS. Mr Fremlin what are your thoughts of Hudaks plan to cut 100,000 civil servant jobs, I noticed fire fighters were not listed as protected. Oh thats right you are retired from the fire department and collecting a government pension.
Paddlenut 5/12/2014 12:15:27 PM Report

Dear Mr. Fremlin: Complete and utter BS.
soowat 5/12/2014 12:17:53 PM Report

If,Mr Hudak is elected and he gets rid of 100,000 public sector jobs and creates 120,000 jobs that is a gain of only 20,000 jobs. Then there is the question of pay and benefit rates. As Mr Hudak has talked about making this an American modeled Right to Work province I assume the new jobs will be minimum wage and without benefits.

Wouldn't be Ironic if the 100,000 dismissed public workers included firefighters and Mr Fremlin's house caught on fire and there was nobody available to put the fire out. Actually that wouldn't be ironic. It would be hilarious
OMGWTF 5/12/2014 12:20:36 PM Report

Nothing like a fill in the blanks Press Release from party HQ. There's no evidence that lowering corporate tax rates will be reinvested into jobs. It goes to their bottom line and their shareholders get wealthier.
MYPOINT 5/12/2014 12:21:01 PM Report

is as follows ...

Mr Fremlin I hate to burst your bubble but when your leader, HUDAK, said "he was going to gut union contracts" or words to that effect, by saying those words he did the same thing he did last time and that was alienate 99% of people in unions.
All of the people in this beautiful Province remember the wonderful ( meant sarcastically ) days of the Mike Harris PC government and there is no way in hell anyone wants those days back again. It is true that the Liberals wasted a lot of our hard earned taxes but it is always a lot better to live with 'the devil you know as opposed to the one you do not know'.

I thank you for putting your name forward ( I think it took a lot of guts to wear the PC banner ) but I do believe you are on the losing end of a huge battle for this area.

As always, your views may differ but are always welcomed :)
stakeholder 5/12/2014 12:27:16 PM Report

not seeing a million jobs here!
I am visioning job losses, privatization, reduced wages.
I do see big business getting even further tax breaks while they hang on to their money, hoarding it and not investing in their industries, until pressured to do so -usually by worker advocate groups.
These companies usually scream "union" and move to the states or off-shore taking the tax break with them -shame!
After financing these tax breaks to these irresponsible, greedy corporations- you and I (middle class) have less pay and more taxes and are working in unsafe environments, too scared to say anything because we need this low paying job to survive and pay those high taxes to support the next big business until it departs.....the conservative cycle continues.......
I challenge you to show me the million jobs and the personal tax cuts -please be exact and specific-I can show you the companies that bugged out -you are familiar with Caterpillar, Heinz, Kelloggs

What does this candidate look like-no pictures of him yet????
Is there any association with a matter of inappropriate animal/parts disposal?-
Mr. Poster 5/12/2014 12:28:13 PM Report

Hudak is a clone...and follower of Mike Harris...Di we need that scenario again?
Behind that pretentious smile is a man on a look after all the rich buddies of the Con party.
Lostclause 5/12/2014 12:31:28 PM Report

Cutting 100,000 unionized jobs and then lowering corporate taxes in an attempt to replace these decent paying jobs with minimum wage and no benefit jobs is utterly ridiculous. It plays right into the hands of the corporations. Not only do they have over 100,000 potential new employees, they can pay them much less than they were making before and pay less tax overall, it's a win/win for big business. The Ontario worker loses and corporations gain. Coating poison with sugar doesn't make it less dangerous.
Sammy1099 5/12/2014 12:45:37 PM Report

" Cutting 100,000 unionized jobs"

How are we supposed to keep paying for these good jobs? Any ideas? The province is in record debt and still spending.

I'm all for good paying jobs but they can't all be in the public sector or who in the hell is going to pay for them?
habsfan 5/12/2014 12:45:46 PM Report

High electricity costs, High insurance costs, High heating costs, High fuel costs,High Cell phone rates. And on and on and on and on and on and on. Try this, All products coming into this country and not made here are taxed so its not in their better interest to leave and bring back the middle class.
flyhawk25 5/12/2014 12:46:11 PM Report

Interesting that no neo-cons have jumped in to support the Hudak brand of bullshit.
habsfan 5/12/2014 12:47:07 PM Report

Oh, and also bring back the Depy of Highways and give some good hard working Ontarians a real job.
Sam C 5/12/2014 12:48:14 PM Report

soowat... As much as I dislike Hudak's "plan", I have at least paid attention to what he's saying.

1) He wants to eliminate 100,000 public sector jobs, but has stated that firefighters, police, doctors and nurses are not included in this figure.

2) He says he will create 1,000,000 (one million) jobs. That's a net gain of 900,000.

Finally, your comment to Mr Fremlin is offensive. Even if you're just trying to make a point, to suggest that someone's house burning down would be funny is absolutely incomprehensible.,
Sammy1099 5/12/2014 12:52:08 PM Report

"Interesting that no neo-cons have jumped in to support the Hudak brand of bullshit."

Like the NDP or Lib are any better. They just use your money,which by the way is spent in advance for the next generation to buy your vote.

And no I don't like the PC's either. I think they are all corrupt incompetent asses. Essentialy my view of politicians is that they are all high paid welfare recipents sponging off the taxpayers tit. I think the whole electoral process needs to be reformed.
Mr. Poster 5/12/2014 12:53:54 PM Report

I want to hear details on how he is going to create one million jobs .It is fine to say that but where is the HOW it will be done ? Companies have been bailing out of Ontario in recent years. How, Mr Fremlin, is HUDAK going to reverse this ??
flyhawk25 5/12/2014 1:00:48 PM Report

Simple - McJobs.
ThinkAgain 5/12/2014 1:15:50 PM Report

Are boots on sale this week, the s$%t is starting to get deep.

Lies, lies and false promises, things just don't make sense anymore.
Boomer4771 5/12/2014 1:21:56 PM Report

More PC LIES.... 100,000 minimum wage jobs for people and we still cannot afford house or half decent appartment. Cut our Public Services.. Privatization. This all cost us millions and millions. Doesn't save a cent. Liberals aren't any better.... ALL LIARS>
Me Myself an I 5/12/2014 1:25:51 PM Report

We have had 30+ years of lower corporate taxes and we have higher unemployment than when they paid their fair share. These same companies cry poor as they sit on Billions in reserve, pay Multi million bonuses to managers and out source Canadian jobs to other countries.

Privatization will do the same thing, just look at the Outdoors card center, it was privatized now an american company runs it
Thim 5/12/2014 1:26:56 PM Report

The public sector workforce has held the province ransom to the point their numbers have grown out of this world and their income/benefits have far surpassed the private sector that's responsible for their existance, this has to be addressed but I fail to see a blanket statement of cutting x number of these jobs enough of a solution.

Maybe workers in the public sector, instead of having the ability to shut down a province, should have their wages/benefits tied to equivalent jobs in the private sector PLUS a purge of useless government departments that have no practical purpose.

Ya, you can't get around it, there has to be an overhall of the entire government. Towns that not long ago hired the OPP to do their policing are now unable to afford them any longer, just a short time later...this has to be lumped in with the rest for a review.

Mike Harris was head and shoulders above what we've experience since.
Sammy1099 5/12/2014 2:21:11 PM Report

"The public sector workforce has held the province ransom"

No kidding, that’s my point. For every civil servant there has to be 30 or 50 private sector employees working to cover their salary and benefits, right now that’s just not the case. It’s fine to say we can’t eliminate public sector jobs but you need an economy actually generating money to pay for them. Oh I can’t afford it but what the hell I’ll buy it anyway. Do you people run your finances like that? Eventually that catches up to you.

It’s nice to have all these services etc.. But if you can’t afford them you can’t afford them. Sooner or later some hard decisions are going to have to be made. You can’t keep raising taxes or printing money it doesn’t work like that.
mpa 5/12/2014 2:35:19 PM Report

Fremlin: How does the PC party intend on creating all these jobs? Im sure that these are not well paying manufacturing jobs that are gone. Was it not the PC party that passed free trade. Im sure that these job will be minimum wage jobs. The PC agenda is simple people, make the rich richer and get rid of the middle class
she_joy 5/12/2014 2:37:35 PM Report

If Hudak gets elected there will be no such thing as a union. He wants to make it optional to pay union dues. This would kill unions. Once the union wages are gone the non-union wages will fall. It sounds as ridiculous as making it optional to paying taxes. What would happen if we had that choice. Go to YOUTUBE and watch "Tim Hudak right to work".See for yourself what right to work did for the States in the US that adopted it.
anapeg 5/12/2014 2:46:08 PM Report

Seeking fair and equitable taxation? 5% across the board, rich, poor, middle class, business alike. No fancy words, no exclusions. 5% flat tax. 5% to me is the same as 5% to someone living on Alworth Place.
Simplify and streamline and equitable. I like it.
fuego 5/12/2014 2:55:58 PM Report

Mr Frelim, you and Tim Hudak should watch the documentary "Inequality for All" with Robert Reich. He shows, using data from 1920 to the present, that reducing corporate taxes to very low levels, kills jobs rather creates jobs. Reich also points out that the only way to have a strong economy is to have a strong middle class. Cutting 100,000 civil service jobs will undermine the economy because those 100,000 workers are part of the middle class that serves all of Ontario. You're vision is a look into the past, a past that destroyed the economy more than once. We can do better than you and we will.
stakeholder 5/12/2014 2:58:25 PM Report

who exactly is the public sector???
Twistinwrenches 5/12/2014 2:58:27 PM Report

If government union jobs are good for the economy we should all have a gov job and things would be perfect. Screw private sector jobs !!!
fishing 5/12/2014 3:00:01 PM Report

Mike Harris was the best politician this province has ever seen,he told the truth,had a mandate and the people of Ontario voted him in and he did what he said.that to me is what i want to see,a politician who does what he says,a politician who gets rid of government fat,why should i pay for government employees benifits and pension when i have to save my own money for my pension.its time to reduce are taxes and reduce government spending.if this is what Mr Hudak is going to do then he has my vote.
the lying Liberals have to go and we cant afford the NDP,so the only option is the truthful Conservatives :)
flyhawk25 5/12/2014 3:02:48 PM Report

If he was so good why did he resign?
icemantbi 5/12/2014 3:10:14 PM Report

PC's have my vote in this election. The Lie-birals have completely ruined the economy. Hard, tough, choices have to be made, Hudak will make them. Short term pain for turning this province around and bringing back a healthy and strong economy!
mosquitos 5/12/2014 3:18:56 PM Report

The Libs and dippers hate the truth. Vote PC and clean up this mess.
Truck 5/12/2014 3:42:11 PM Report

hahah all of a sudden the Conservatives are the party of 'truth'. Give me a break. Take a look at our federal governement....tons of 'truth and honesty' there.
mpa 5/12/2014 3:56:18 PM Report

Hey Twistinwrenches, you're not very bright are you?
IgnorantNortherner 5/12/2014 3:58:30 PM Report

stakeholder, public sector is anyone who "earns a living" off the government teat. This includes much of the "private" sector with gov't contracts/grants/subsidies, welfare recipients, prisoners, politicians, etc.
Verbatim 5/12/2014 4:02:58 PM Report

I have said it before and I will say again and again till I'm blue in the face.
The governments of the USA and Canada are purposely and knowing destroying the middle class. This endeavor will not happen over will take a decade or two to complete, but i can assure this is the motive behind everything they do, from privatizing crown companies to reducing jobs in the public sector and trying very hard to get rid of unions. Ultimately the goal will be to have two and controlling and the poor and subservient. the only way to stop this is to act now. Dont be fooled...we are the ones in control we are the ones who determine our own future, its not up to the corporations and their puppet government politicians to decide our future. Stand up and make your voice heard, we will have to sacrifice in order to achieve what we want, but nothing in life comes without sacrifice
RonBes 5/12/2014 4:15:43 PM Report

Hudak will destroy this fair province with his corp-friendly agenda. We will see services reduced or eliminated, wages fall, good jobs replaced with minimum wage mcjobs, and all the alleged savings will go straight into bonuses for the wealthy CEOs. We regular folk will see NO benefit from this. It will be the end of the middle class in Ontario.
KENNEDY919 5/12/2014 4:24:53 PM Report

Whether we like it or not we have drifted into a new world of public sector governance. The Ontario government is broke. We are spending more money than we are taking in. The current cost structure of the public sector is not sustainable moving forward.
You can deal with this fiscal deficit in only two ways. You increase taxes or you cut current public sector spending. The private sector cannot bear the brunt of more increased taxes as they must deal with competing industries in American Right to Work States and increased competition from the likes of China,India and Asian Pacific countries like Indonesia. There is no easy solution that does not inflict pain either by increasing taxes or the cutting of existing services.
There is a simple choice this election.You deal with the pain of the PCs of public sector cuts or the pain of increased taxes put out there by the Liberals and NDP. Increased taxes may be the death knell of many businesses in the private sector who are just struggling to survive as they deal with higher energy costs,a volatile Canadian dollar and a stagnant world economy. Even with rock Bottom interest rates the economy is not operating on all cylinders.
As more people retire the situation will only get worse. This election may present an option as to the pain that will be inflicted. In future elections we will not have a choice
Wisenheimer 5/12/2014 4:37:05 PM Report

K919 The voice of reason ... I commend you.
IgnorantNortherner 5/12/2014 5:15:47 PM Report

Wiseheimer, imo I think sammy, flyhawk, boomer, thim, mpa and verbatim all did a better job of spittin' it like it is.

Your guy/gal is still playing the "my team is better than your team" game that allows this nonsense to continue.
Thim 5/12/2014 5:18:31 PM Report

Hey Rod,
You've sure got a lot of advice from a bunch of keyboard commandos hiding behind some user name.
Go get'em, at least you're not afraid to step to the plate.
tom Brason
RonBes 5/12/2014 5:36:53 PM Report

Who's hiding behind a user name? He can look me up and come to my door and I'll tell him to his face why I'll never vote for him.
Thim 5/12/2014 5:53:43 PM Report

RonBes ...riggght, I'm not hiding behind a user name , he can look me up.

Git outa here, half you guys wouldn't have the b''ls to say didley squat if you had to back it up with your real name. Admit it.
Tom Brason
Boomer4771 5/12/2014 6:11:02 PM Report

I am a public servant and I make less an hour then the Tubemill employees. My benefits have been cut to the point that I have a seperate insurance that I pay. How is this over paid. I am in middle class income. Why doesn't the government look at how top MANAGEMENT they are. You want to save get rid of the management aholes that are overpaid to due absolutaly nothing. All their committees,investigation boards,ect... What a JOKE.
Boomer4771 5/12/2014 6:13:28 PM Report

HUDAK is MIKE HARRIS but with a lot of HITLER in him.
Boomer4771 5/12/2014 6:15:48 PM Report

OH and THIM. I aggree with RonBes... Thim get a life...
Thim 5/12/2014 6:32:04 PM Report

Boomer who ???
Thim 5/12/2014 6:33:30 PM Report

C'mon boomer you can do it.
RonBes 5/12/2014 6:34:07 PM Report

I assure you, THIM, it is my real name and I stand firmly by what I say, on here and in the real world. And if Mister Fremlin (or any of his cronies) comes around asking me to vote for him, I'll let them know where I stand in no uncertain terms.
IgnorantNortherner 5/12/2014 6:34:55 PM Report

Tom Brason, a tribalist after all...and to think I had you pegged as one of the good guys!

One of these days you'll figure out the game is rigged and it can't be won using the lesser of the evils voting approach, Tom.
steelworker 5/12/2014 6:40:21 PM Report

Where can I get a sign for my front yard??
Mr. Poster 5/12/2014 7:26:29 PM Report

What a mess this once great province is in. It will be tough to get the vote out when so many are disillusioned with the choices we have. Many will not vote and that is sad. Hold your nose...but please vote. My fear is if enough folks do not vole...those scoundrel LIBERALS will win a minority AGAIN.
Sam C 5/12/2014 9:26:44 PM Report

stakeholder... the "public sector" includes any employee who is paid, directly or indirectly, by the government.

This includes the 80,000 Civil Servants (employed directly by the government) as well as other workers such as teachers and school staff; university/college professors and staff; hospital workers including doctors and nurses, various medical technicians; police and civilian staff; firefighters and civilian staff... and many more.
Poncho55 5/12/2014 9:27:47 PM Report

Taxes are just a blip on the radar Mr. Fremlin. We need electricity prices and fees to be reduced, natural gas prices and fees need to be reduced and the size and scope of government needs to be reduced!!

For instance, why do Ontario and Quebec need provincial police when the rest of the country have RCMP and municipal police only? We can cut huge bureaucratic waste in many more areas of overlapping governmental offices between the province and federal governments as well!!

Reduce and cut the waste!!
soowat 5/12/2014 9:45:25 PM Report

Sam c

First you're correct my comment about Mr.Fremlin's house burning crossed a line. I do owe Mr. Fremlin an apology for writing that comment.

Second,Any media articles that I have read about Hudak's plan to cut 100,000 public worker jobs indicated that only nurses and police would be exempt. Iwould appreciate you directing me to the article(s) that included an exemption for firefighters and other occupations
theprotector 5/13/2014 7:43:17 AM Report

"Fair" and "fremlin" sorry not a chance in hell
Mr. Poster 5/13/2014 8:42:45 AM Report

How come we have yet to see a picture of Fremlin? I like to put a face to all the CONservative propaganda.
LAWL 5/13/2014 10:12:41 AM Report

Thank goodness someone is finally talking about making cuts to the civil servants.
When did working for the government become the golden egg job? Pay raises every year, some having 8 weeks paid vacation. It is completely ridiculous and costly.
There is so much "fat" to be cut in government. People are being paid 80-100/year for a non-skilled positions. Unions have raised these no skill paper pushers to the top of the pay scale. So how do you pay these people this kind of money when a private sector employee doing the exact same position makes 30k/year?
A complete overhaul on our public sector needs to be done, with realistic pay and vacation time.
LAWL 5/13/2014 10:19:01 AM Report

20 years ago.. "I will work for the public sector to get experience and then I will go work in the private sector to make good money"

Present... "I will go get a costly and pointless degree and then I DESERVE a high paying, cash-for-life position in the public sector"
soowat 5/13/2014 11:00:34 AM Report


Call Cecelia Ross's campaign headquarters.They will provide you with a sign.

You're welcome
IB-fine 5/13/2014 4:36:11 PM Report

I do wish the Conservative now were more like the Bill Davis Progressive Conservatives of the 1970's and 1980's, where they worked with the unions, tenants,service workers, disabled, teachers, nurses, doctors etc. to make fair and just contracts and laws. Nice times, over 12,000 working at the steel plant, everyone who wanted a job had one, laws were reasonable and fair to all. I loved that party, some of the systems and laws were a little paternal but at least they took care of everyone....... now the neo-Cons are out to blame someone.. anyone! and go after them and their jobs to advance their buddies on Bay St.

Now this year the blame is going on.... the average public service worker, as the person said above has to buy extra health care insurance and hasn't had a raise in 5 years but the big wig management at the top get huge raises for implementing their cutbacks to the working formerly middle class people.

Last time a new Conservative (Harris) got in, he was blaming the budget shortfall on people on welfare, and cut their rates 21.5% and the rates 20 years later aren't even close to this even for someone on disability! They blamed the welfare, disability and the former Mother's Allowance receiving people, when the Social Services budget was less than 3% of the total budget!

Now Hudak cut from Harris's cloth is blaming the average service worker? Top management with their top salaries yes but the average worker NO!

What are they going to do about high electricity??(oh yeah Harris sold that, was a brilliant move don't you think??) high costs for oil, gas, rents?
I know we'll take the middle class jobs, replace them with McJobs and see if they can pay rent? Oh more fun!

Heck most of us on pension are lucky if we still have our homes over the next couple of years with the increase in electricity alone! Then we have to find somewhere to live?? And Harris stopped non-profit and co-op buildings being made which means everyone from the baby boom generation will be fighting for the same few apartments that are geared to income.

I will definitely not be voting for another slash and burn Conservative who blames the budget short comings on the middle or lower class... go pick on your Bay St. management of government sectors, and get your banks and huge corporate friends pay their fair share of taxes!

Take back Ontario Energy so we all can pay a reasonable electric bill! I can't believe how much we locally pay with all the energy we make around here! Quit sell off our electricity to the USA and serve us first!

Mr. Fremlin you are running locally for the CON-servatives, good luck, when you only put out party mandated information, no picture, and want to cut back on jobs of which you had and are getting a pension from.... don't think so!

Oh God with this slate of candidates looks like Orazetti will be the only choice again, and that even with being in the gov't doesn't get us much!
derand2 5/13/2014 5:25:27 PM Report

You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out what this election is all about. Despite the fact that only the PCs are talking spending cuts and fiscal responsiblity, any party that takes power will be cutting spending and hard. Its the reality, Ontario is broke and it will be tougher and more costly for it to continue borrowing. The parallels with 1990 are so similar save we are now in much worst shape. The liberals under Peterson had been on a reckless spending spree but the voters didn't want to accept the tough fixes proposed by the PCs so they elected Rae. Rae tried all kinds of cuts and tax hikes but couldn't move the yard sticks. By 1995 the voters got it and elected Harris to get the job done. It wasn't pretty but the voters trusted he would do what he said and gave him a 2nd majority.

If the NDP wins nothing will happen because they cannot execute a plan. If the Libs win, they will cut from everyone except their friends and they will tax everyone except their friends. If you really want to see things turn ugly vote Lib. With the PCs you'll get cuts across the board and those who fed heavily at the Lib trough will take bigger rollbacks.

None of the outcomes are pretty but I'd rather start taking the medicine now before Ontario gets too sick to cure.
MYPOINT 5/15/2014 8:25:25 AM Report

is as follows ..

There needs to be a recall method put into place so that ALL public elections have a system where the voters in any particular area (51% +1 ) can recall and then FIRE any politician who lies or does something else to break the contract they make with us by asking for or stealing our votes.

Just imagine the power that would give to US, the voters aka the taxpayers for the most part. Now you know why no politician in his or her right mind would ever support such a thing - they lie to much for this to be something the voter can hold against them!

One poster ( not sure of the name ) put in something about there should be the same tax rate for all of us. I think that this MIGHT be a good idea. Just think, if that were the case, everyone would be paying the exact same percentage for taxes. There would be no more guessing about who pays the most or who pays less than someone else. I think that IF we went that route, a good percentage to start at would be 10% for everyone.

IF we went that route, it should be written into law that this percentage must remain the same for 5 year periods and then it must get reviewed but if the Government needs more money to pay for the services it offers to the citizens, this percentage shall never get raised more than 1% at each interval period. I am NOT saying that this is the only solution, I am merely saying that maybe this could be something that could be explored further.

Also IF we went that route, those who are getting paid exorbitant wages for doing very little (re Sunshine club) would then at least be paying the same amount ( percentage wise ) as the rest of us.

Finally, I think that it should be mandatory that ALL Governments absolutely MUST balance their books every single year. If we have to do this in our own household, why are we always letting the Government bring us even further into debt every year?

As always, your views may differ :)
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