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All city cops to be armed with Tasers

Friday, April 25, 2014   by: Darren Taylor

All city police officers will eventually be carrying Tasers.

That announcement was made at Thursday’s Sault Ste. Marie Police Service Board meeting.

Bob Davies, Sault police chief, said until recently, only emergency services unit officers, sergeants and court services officers were allowed to carry and use Tasers. 

The Ontario Ministry of Community Safety and Correctional Services announced in August 2013, however, that each municipal police service is now free to allow all their officers to be trained to use and be equipped with the devices at the discretion of each police chief and police service board.

Last year, Tasers were utilized six times by city police.

Five times the devices were pulled out by officers as a warning, and actually used in one other incident.

Bob Kates, deputy chief, said 33 Sault police officers are officially trained and allowed to use Tasers.

The Sault police service currently has 22 Tasers in its possession.

After Thursday’s Board decision, all of the city’s police officers will be trained and equipped with Tasers in a phased-in approach, as annual police budgets allow.

Kates told reporters following Thursday’s meeting $30,000 of the 2014 police budget will be used towards purchase of another 20 Tasers, with another “seven or eight” officers being trained to use them.

Kates said $33,573 will pay for the purchase of the Tasers themselves, along with such items as the magazines, holsters, cartridges, loading kits and training costs.

Kates said the equipment will be ordered and available by the end of the summer and training of additional officers with the use of existing Tasers will begin as soon as possible.

Kates said he would like to see all officers trained and ready to use Tasers in 2015.

Davies said he expects to see this happen over the next two or three years as annual police budgets allow.

There will be initial training followed up with ongoing training.

Police officers in attendance at Thursday’s meeting told the Board they were much more comfortable with the use of Tasers as opposed to the very rare use of firearms in stopping violent individuals in situations where a death or injury could happen.

Tasers are an important tool, officers agreed.

“Be assured these guys are professionals…we’ve got policies, we’ve got stringent training, and we’re not taking this lightly,” Davies said to Board members, though he acknowledged “this is a big move, a controversial move.”

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Gimli 4/25/2014 2:24:57 PM Report

Controversial? No kidding. There have been far too many deaths across Canada because of misuse of tasers. By far too many it's even 1 because a taser is supposed to be a nonlethal weapon. I hope our officers are being coached in how to handle the accidental death of someone they've tased because they didn't realize the person had an underlying medical condition. From Amnesty International via the cbc:

Amnesty International says that between 2001 and August 2008, 334 Americans died after Taser shocks. The stun gun was deemed to have caused or contributed to at least 50 of those deaths, Amnesty says, citing medical examiners and coroners. Most suspects were unarmed, and many were subjected to repeated or prolonged shocks, according to Amnesty.

The human rights group has called for governments to limit the use of stun guns or suspend their use."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/facts-about-stun-guns-and-their-use-in-canada-1.810288
MaximusPrime 4/25/2014 2:30:44 PM Report

The local police department’s budget seems sufficient for all the latest equipment including new vehicles, mobile planning station (motor home), bullet proof truck, tasers, large SWAT type team, very healthy wagers…… BUT they seem very reluctant to spend their seemingly endless amount of money on cameras for their cruisers and personnel. Now, assuming they are always acting professionally, why would they not want everything video/audio recorded? It would help with prosecutions in court (again assuming THEY are not breaking any rules).
pruden 4/25/2014 2:33:52 PM Report

Honestly, rather have a tazer pointed at you than a gun!!! Don't understand what all the bother is about.

I for one agree 100% with all police carrying a tazer - far too many people think they can do whatever they want to hurt people and a shot of electricity might just make them think twice about breaking the law.
iamtc 4/25/2014 2:44:53 PM Report

I guess u can have all the tools of the trade however will it lead to better policing probably not so much crime in this town goes unsolved from homicide right down to b&es. I think in my opinion the city police should hire a fortune teller they might have a chance solving some unsolved crimes...
CBSA 4/25/2014 2:46:53 PM Report

Excellent decision. This provides the officer with yet another tool to use "IF and WHEN" necessary.
Only "used" once in 2013, well maybe that might have just saved an officers life!!
Just Curious 4/25/2014 2:54:15 PM Report

I don't think a crystal ball would help. They still haven't caught the guy that robbed the NCR when our illustrious Chief was standing in line. He is supposed to be the TOP GUY so if he can't get 'er done, what you can expect from the rest of the rest of the force.
Number One Son 4/25/2014 3:12:33 PM Report

The cost to purchase these seem way to high. I am sure they could do better on e-Bay. (tongue in cheek for those who can't see this)
Lone24 4/25/2014 3:13:05 PM Report

Next thing you know they'll want cops to carry an AK-47.
MrBusDriver 4/25/2014 3:22:39 PM Report

Having lived in a town where all police officers were trained in the use of tasers and did carry them, my 5 cents worth on this is Great! Glad to hear The Sault is going for this. No matter what mainstream media would have us bbelieve, in my opinion, 99.99% of officers out there are NOT the trigger happy cowboys we see on TV. I personally know a few officers who over the course of their entire career never had to draw their weapon once. Tasers are merely another tool for our brave men and women in blue (and grey) to use to keep the majority of us who are law-abiding safe from those who aren't.
The police have one f the most difficult jobs out there. The Canadian military gets our respect and support for defending our freedom, our police forces deserve the same for defending our safety
Zing 4/25/2014 3:24:50 PM Report

The cruisers need cameras AND black boxes to determine the truth in policing.

IMHO
superior87 4/25/2014 3:34:50 PM Report

What the heck is "NCR" that was robbed?
Sammy1099 4/25/2014 3:45:44 PM Report

M r busdriver

I guessed you missed the G20. That’s more then just a few. Then you can also add the almost daily barrage of crooked, incompetent or blatantly power tripping cops that are caught on camera and it’s definitely not a few. With a little bit of statistics (law enforcement loves statistics) you could extrapolate 6 in ten cops are getting away with some crooked shit based on what has actually been witnessed. You would have to be an idiot to not come to the conclusion that there is something wrong in law enforcement.

Frankly I think the money could be better spent on independent oversight. The Irish have a good model. Definitely much better then ours; Cops investigating there buddies. They should have cameras on them at all times. When I go to work I’m on CCTV, what are they special or something? Hell even some infantry men wear them in combat.

The nonsense that police in Canada have a dangerous job is a crock as well. They aren’t even in the top 10. They arrive after the crime is committed rarely while it’s in progress.

I think cops today all watched one to many episodes of CSI or similar fantasy shows. They have a hard time differentiating between reality and the 100 stupid cop shows currently on the idiot box.
Boomer4771 4/25/2014 3:48:25 PM Report

Most of you people state this city is full of drugs and crime rate is major yet you complain if the persons protecting us from the low lifes purchase non leathal equipment or specialized vehicles for their protection. Get a life and shut up cause I know most of you would cowardly run away and not help a person in need.
MaximusPrime 4/25/2014 3:48:46 PM Report

I believe the "NCR" comment relates to a local credit union being robbed while Chief Davies was waiting in line. That one remains unsolved as far as I know.
Zap 4/25/2014 3:53:09 PM Report

Hope there are no Trigger happy cops itching to use the new toy. (conform) .
Alystr 4/25/2014 3:53:43 PM Report

Have the Sault cops ever had to draw their weapons? lol Spend Spend Spend Broke Broke Broke
MaximusPrime 4/25/2014 3:55:35 PM Report

Boomer.... I think the argument for stun guns is for OUR protection, not THEIR protection. They already have bullet proof vests, bullet proof personal carrier, hand guns, rifles, shotguns..... for THEIR protection. Unlike the common refrain, police rarely run toward danger. First they secure the area and make sure it is "safe" to proceed. Thus the reason for very few police deaths. The only local death I am aware of was due to a traffic accident. And if I remember correctly, that office was not wearing the seat belt which was there for his protection.
Sammy1099 4/25/2014 4:06:57 PM Report

Boomer

Most statistics show crime is on the decline, I don’t know what you are reading.

One reason I may be hesitant to help someone is fear of prosecution more then actual physical harm. The courts vigorously prosecute anybody who tries to exercise the right to protect themselves or there property. I would much rather have more rights to take the protection of myself, family and property into my own hands, thank you very much. Then police aren’t all that quick to help either, unless of course they outnumber the perp 20-1.
IgnorantNortherner 4/25/2014 4:07:38 PM Report

Boomer I wouldn't really care what they carried if their time was spent KEEPING THE PEACE and reducing violent crime. That's the only way I see them being of value considering their insane expense to taxpayers.

Instead, it is spent generating revenue. They are heavily armed and ridiculously overpaid infraction police.

Oh, you made that right turn at 0.5km/hr when the light was red (and no one was around) that's going to be $200.
Oh, you don't have ID on you? Gimme $200.
I didn't see you signal before changing lanes so gimme $200.
No seatbelt? Gonna be $200.

Meanwhile it's apparently safe to drive around looking at your laptop, while reading texts, while listening to and responding to your radio, drinking your Tim's, etc., but I'm a criminal because I texted while stopped at a red light.

...and it is ridiculous my wife has to risk jail time for carrying around pepper spray as personal protection.

I didn`t ask for someone to protect me or my family and I certainly wasn`t asked if I wanted to pay for it or even WHO I wanted to `protect` me.

There is no good reason they should have any more legal rights than anyone else....and I say legal rights because I KNOW our rights to be equal under the Big Man.
justsomeguy 4/25/2014 4:10:29 PM Report

The problem with less lethal weapons is that police tend to resort to them faster rather than de-escalate the situation which takes longer and considerable skill.

justsomeguy 4/25/2014 4:15:38 PM Report

@Sammy1099 - correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the last release show that major crimes in the Sault is increasing?

I tried to find the stats on the police website but the closet thing I could find was their "annual report" for 2012.
iamtc 4/25/2014 4:25:30 PM Report

The local police could not catch am m&m in their mouth even if they tried. I am lmfao waiting to hear when they get the tasers that one of the saults finest will zap an elderly person for Jay walking some of these police are cowboys and aliens
blackspruce 4/25/2014 4:25:49 PM Report

I would rather see the police use any weapon their given since our courts give the criminals very little or no punishment for the crimes they commit.
Me if I was a cop I would taser any man that assaults a woman
Sammy1099 4/25/2014 4:26:31 PM Report

justsomeguy

I’m not sure about local crime statistics. I do know in general, nationally crime is on the decline plenty of stats for that.

Policing eats up a large chunk of our municipal budget I know that as well. I think given our population and the fact I’m not reading about armed robberies and murders regularly tells me we definitely don’t need a heavily armed police force.
MaximusPrime 4/25/2014 4:34:29 PM Report

@ Blackspruce
Sounds like you think you would prefer to live in a police state where front line police act as judge, jury and executioner. There are plenty police states around the world. Feel free to have a look. I am not aware of any police states which are considered "safe" places to live. I hope opinions like yours never become the majority. It is a very slipper slope. I hear North Korea is a wonderful place to live (sarcasm).
Norm 4/25/2014 4:42:30 PM Report

The problem is not a lack of tasers or any other form of weapon, it's the foolish courts who release the criminals way to soon. They kick doors in and steal or threaten the home owner with violence and receive a slap on the wrist. The homeowner should be issued tasers to be use accordingly.
wildbill_1 4/25/2014 5:00:04 PM Report

rather be tazed then shot
MaximusPrime 4/25/2014 5:01:21 PM Report

Norm, I agree completely. We need laws allowing an individual to protect their own property. In my opinion, the right to self-defence and the right to protect personal property is a "god given" right regardless of whether the government of the day agrees. Americans are permitted to shoot an intruder. Whether or not that reduces crime is irrelevant.... it should still be a basic human right.
Gater 4/25/2014 5:05:26 PM Report

Great give our officers what they need to do their job..
rockbanger 4/25/2014 5:29:03 PM Report

SSM police force is so big in numbers and expensive. I have one question.

Why do we need a fully equipped SWAT team that ride from Tim Horton's to Tim Horton's fully geared and in the back of a van? Waste of huge tax dollars.

Does nothing to keep the city safe... Just gives the baker extra work.

A SWAT team... Absolute nonsense. Now give them expensive tasers... They need them so badly?

WAKE UP FOLKS.
mikethedike 4/25/2014 5:29:18 PM Report

Should arm them with personal video recorders instead. Video cameras protect the officer and the public. This way, there is no "he said she said". In any case, the court will always believe the officer, whether they are telling the truth or not. This would also prove or disprove any discrepancies about conduct.
Dead End Kid 4/25/2014 5:36:20 PM Report

Many people today are afraid of the police. Unfortunately the image police have today is what we see on shows like "Cops" and the news where some officers are aggressive and unpredictable in their approach to law enforcement. I'm sure there are many good cops out there doing their job but we rarely hear about them. That being said we are thankful when they do help us when we need it.

My main concerns of the use of tasers is not knowing if the person being tased has a preconditional medical problem that may be life threatening and also the potential misuse of the taser which has been demonstrated numerous times.
engineguy 4/25/2014 5:37:02 PM Report

Bring it on popo
B Boy 4/25/2014 6:29:53 PM Report

@mikethedike - the law requires that police services have a tactical team. However a full-time tactical team is only required for cities (if I remember correctly) of a population of 100,000 or greater.

guestwho 4/25/2014 6:31:29 PM Report

CTV reported today @6 ,that the cost was $200,000,I wonder whose telling the truth?I wish I had money like that,even $33,500 and used once a year!!!
Voxboy876 4/25/2014 6:32:04 PM Report

Cracks me up when people get tazed.......they fall like trees
S.M.A.R.T. 4/25/2014 7:26:58 PM Report

One of the options regarding tasers in the current Soo Today poll is: "Yes, when used by properly trained law enforcement officers". Weren't those officers at the Vancouver Airport several years back supposed to have been properly trained? And look what happened there. All police officers aren't "created equal" and the last thing we need is for one of these little electrocuting devices to get into the hands of some gung ho, law enforcing zealot. I dare say that the majority (not the vast majority mind you) of police officers would be o.k. handling these, but all it takes is one idiot to taser some at risk individual and then watch the damage control specialists go into high gear spinning yarns that insult our intelligence to justify some death by taser at the hands of the authorities. Fire a warning shot, and then if necessary "wing me", but please don't send me to the floor in a paroxysm of convulsive drool.
lowla 4/25/2014 8:10:28 PM Report

Most officers, if given the option, would not pull out their weapon (never mind using one) due to the paperwork involved in justifying their decision. They all hope never to have to use it.
sooperman 4/25/2014 8:19:32 PM Report

ppl have to realize that when the new world order and martial law are instated the soo police force will be ready, its happening right before your eyes..wake up and look what's going on around the world...on another not the swat team and armoured tank could have been used instead of bringing in a tactical team from orillia to apprehend 2 suspects who stole a tank of gas
bugalugs 4/25/2014 8:43:28 PM Report

I agree...if nothing to hide, supply video cameras in cars! That keeps everyone honest!
bradwc2002 4/25/2014 9:19:00 PM Report

If your not doing anything illegal you don't have to worry about being tazed lol and if they wanna taze someone get the kids that break into my van lol
NursStudent 4/25/2014 9:51:44 PM Report

Dear City Police,
Please take a collective one year vacation. Let the citizens of this fine city manage their own crime for 12 months. I promise when you return, people will be a lot happier to see you.
Sam C 4/25/2014 10:06:22 PM Report

Sammy... you cannot use the G20 incident as typical of how police operate. There were officers from several police services deployed there, under a single command. This was not your average daily police-on-the-beat situation.

Remember, despite what some will suggest, the Police cannot always just take the time to "talk" to a suspect to "find out what's wrong."

Personally, if a cop is going to make a mistake and use a weapon on me when perhaps I am freaking out, or having a mental breakdown, or otherwise judged to be "unco-operative," I'd rather be hit with a Taser than a bullet.
Pakadeva 4/25/2014 10:16:00 PM Report

Wow! Naysayers rise again!!! The Soo is fast becoming an unsafe place to live. Do you people never read the news, or listen, or are you all 1/2 dead? An other armed robbery again last night. B&E's & armed robberies on the rise. Hope you feel safe when YOUR door is beaten in & a knife or gun pointed at you. I guess I don't have to mention the murders on the rise here as well. Just a couple of years ago we were the murder capital of Canada, now there;s something to be proud of, NOT!!!!
I agree 100% with this move & any other equipment that contributes to the safety & well being of all our families & friends within this city & lowers the crime rate.
IgnorantNortherner 4/25/2014 10:43:36 PM Report

SamC said "Remember, despite what some will suggest, the Police cannot always just take the time to "talk" to a suspect to "find out what's wrong.""

lol and why is that, Sam?

Unless you have committed, or there is reasonable suspicious that you have committed a crime there is no reason for an officer to use force OF ANY KIND.

That you would rather be tazed than shot with a bullet is obvious and irrelevant.

Would you rather force, or no force be used against you when you have done nothing wrong?....unless "freaking out" as you put it is a crime (it wouldn't surprise me).

I'm with NursStudent on this one...PLEASE take a one year (unpaid) hiatus so this city can better deal with violent crime at a small fraction of the current cost and hopefully we won't stop there when it comes to tax allocation tragedies.

@Paka, if you think everything the police do "contributes to the safety & well being of all our families & friends within this city & lowers the crime rate." then by now the Soo should be the safest place around, no? We can't be both the safest town in the world and the murder capital, can we? No offence intended but you also seem to go through life with a real bad victim mentality, if your daily words on these pages express your true beliefs and I'd like to help, but I don't have the slightest clue how. Okay, pretend--really visualize this--you're watching the man in the teevee box and he's screaming TO YOU at the top of his lungs..."STOP LIVING YOUR LIFE IN FEAR!"

rider_ 4/26/2014 1:11:12 AM Report

our cops are trashy garbage as it is! we see how 'accountable' they are!! dish out the $$$ for cameras instead of tasers, last thing i want is our braindamaged barney fyfes running around with 500000 volts of fury at their disposal
Pakadeva 4/26/2014 1:59:18 AM Report

@Ignorant
I congratulate you on living up to your alias, at least you don't disappoint. You don't know me (& I like it that way), nor anything about me. Shake the marbles a little. Our Police work hard, even when you think it doesn't look like work...are they gonna confide to you what they are discussing, who they may be looking for when grabbing a coffee? I doubt it. Look to our judges for the reason we need all the extra ammo we can get for our officers to run this city & try to keep everyone safe from criminals...maybe you're part of the problem with that lovely attitude.
AND if I lived in fear, I would simply leave this city. Now stop your bullying & go get yourself a coffee!
Sammy1099 4/26/2014 6:53:38 AM Report

@ Sam C

Actually I would consider the G20 an ideal representation of the state of law enforcement. Cops from all over the country were there, like a random sample of law enforcement. The behaviour of them can only be described as goons. That’s all been supported by the regular videos of dishonest, abusive and corrupt behaviour. I don’t trust them any further then I can throw them. If all we are going to get for our tax dollars is a bunch of goons, like bouncers then let the pay scale reflect the skill set. I think $14/hr is reasonable.

I think it’s high time they started wearing cameras as well. The rest of society is typically under some form of surveillance when they go to work, why aren’t the police? The police more then any other profession both for their safety as well as ours should have been the earliest adapters of cameras.
bounder 4/26/2014 8:29:48 AM Report

I'd rather the guns, 50 cent bullet end of story, no more crime from that individual.
Brownman 4/26/2014 8:49:42 AM Report

im all for cameras in cars most of the City police are quite professional however its just wise they are being paid by our tax dollars and need to be held accountable, to the public
Constant 4/26/2014 8:55:01 AM Report

If you want to talk about what the police should carry, or how they should use it, how they do there jobs, why things are not solved, why there is so much crime, unsolved crimes or even how they should should police… BECOME A POLICE OFFICER.. maybe even look up how the systems work at the city police. POLICE don't make people do the acts they do?? HAVE ANY OF YOU BEEN TO OPC?? HAVE ANY OF YOU READY A LAW BOOK, OR EVEN SEEN HOW THE COURT SYSTEM REALLY WORK?? You should not even point a finger at a police officer. THERE DOING THERE JOBS! Why don't all you nay sayers that talk about unsolved crimes and how the police are not doing there jobs for a neighbourhood watch or a crime unit? SERIOUSLY! or may we should look at why theses offenders do what they do… its not the police its because they have no morals and values.. and lets be serious here… that starts at birth so "who's to blame" Raise them better!
So a TASER… yes… one police officer against a criminal with no morals or values that doesn't care about an officer.. protect him the officer with a taser!!
Please do some research on how the policing system works, also half the crime that happenes in S.s.m is not posted on today. Maybe check out S.s.m Daily logs to see how many crimes are solved and people are helped DAILY~ more then Soo today post!!!
Sammy1099 4/26/2014 9:04:12 AM Report

@ bounder

" I'd rather the guns, 50 cent bullet end of story, no more crime from that individual."

Then move to N.Korea or some places in China.

Police are not given the power of judge and jury for a reason. You may want to read a history book. I’ll summarise it doesn’t work. Each individual will have their own agenda and beliefs on what is right and wrong. I know all those Bruce Willis action movies are nice to watch where the evil villain gets his just deserts but reality isn’t like that. Despite all the checks and balances innocent people are still being railroaded. The Cops involved and forensic examiners in those cases had the same mentality as you. I hope one day you are the one being railroaded or the victim of roadside justice.

I for example am not overly thrilled that the killer of Sammy Yatim is still working and being paid. I have enough common sense though to realise it has to be like that. He has the right to trial to determine his guilt or innocence.
hunti 4/26/2014 10:00:07 AM Report

Complete waste of tax dollars,Put video camera's in the cars,that would be a great investment..oh ya I forgot then the police wouldn't be able to get away with all their crooked shit,and all the lies they tell in court.And someone said on here about how much crime goes unsolved,the police know exactly who does what,they choose not to go and make an arrest.Here's an example without mentioning the officer's name,turned 5 people in that I knew were selling meth,pills and fetanel patches here was the officers response:Do you think I'm going to be responsible for taking someones income away,and further more what they will do to you and your family when they find out you turned them in.I walked away in complete disbelieve.That's one story,there are far worse crimes I've reported,and absolutely nothing gets done,makes me sick to my stomach to see how the cops protect all these criminals...This is just a never ending story..
GotRotties 4/26/2014 11:06:41 AM Report

Great!! rolls eyes
Lleoy 4/26/2014 11:06:54 AM Report

New movie, pigs with Tazers.
Constant 4/26/2014 11:18:49 AM Report

Like really? "HUNTI" you went to a cop and said that? Did you try the police station???

Waste off tax dollars… "WOW"
There is more out in the world that our tax dollars are wasted on. Protecting police and People is one area we should take lightly!

Camera in cars, sure… not going to do much! seeing its all in what happens after the court get ahold of the arrested!!! Again do some READING on how it all works..
Constant 4/26/2014 11:30:03 AM Report

YO!!! rockbanger!!


"Why do we need a fully equipped SWAT team that ride from Tim Horton's to Tim Horton's fully geared and in the back of a van? Waste of huge tax dollars????"""

Why: because they love to have coffee and sit in a van!! are you an idiot. Do your research again. They have ether come from a call or waiting for a call to go out.


Does nothing to keep the city safe... Just gives the baker extra work.

You need to get a life Rockbanger! The baker is getting money that those hard working swat members made cause they went to school graduated from high schools, collages, universities, went throw months and months or rigours training, away from there families, and then on top of that months more of training. not to mention hull a hoops to get on those special teams.. DEDICATION!! AGAIN DO YOUR RESEARCH!!!

A SWAT team... Absolute nonsense. Now give them expensive tasers... They need them so badly?

nonsense is what you type!

WAKE UP FOLKS. WAKE UP ROCKBANGER YOUR AN IDIOT! Try working as hard as those men a women on a regular day! Or hey!! why don't you try and be a police officer and then TRY to be a SWAT!! OH BY THE ITS CALLED "ESU" for city police not SWAT! DO SOME READING!
frnlak 4/26/2014 11:58:23 AM Report

Who's next? Conservation Officers, Custom Officers? Where will it end? Can of worms.
Voxboy876 4/26/2014 12:42:52 PM Report

I can't believe all the people trashing the police on this board lol....By the useless banter some of you are spewing....makes me think a zap or two are probably in your future.
S.M.A.R.T. 4/26/2014 1:38:21 PM Report

Constant...if you wish to be taken "anywhere near serious", you've just got to get yourself a spell checker not to mention a little bit more of that schooling you so fervently allude to in your diatribe.
Tag33&1/3rd 4/26/2014 1:57:41 PM Report

There was a news release last summer about video cams being on their uniforms and on cars already! Of course they need tasers guys!! Geeez! Why complain about that?
Tag33&1/3rd 4/26/2014 1:58:58 PM Report

I just wish we were allowed to have our own personal tasers to keep on our person or at least in our homes!
Constant 4/26/2014 2:01:58 PM Report

WAY TO GO "SMART"!

SPELLING POLICE!
Sammy1099 4/26/2014 2:46:26 PM Report

@ Voxboy876

" I can't believe all the people trashing the police on this board lol....By the useless banter some of you are spewing....makes me think a zap or two are probably in your future."

They have only themselves to thank for a growing mistrust.

I'm sure the odds of one being tazered for some trivial perceived or otherwise infraction will go up as more cops have them. Judging by some of the videos of cops using them, a good chunk of them have an unhealthy sadistic streak.

I think wearing body camereas will go a long way in earnning some of that trust back. The only reason I could think of them not wanting to wear them is they have something to hide. Like I've already said most other people these days are already recorded at there place of employment. Why not Cops too? I'm not saying during breaks and stuff but definetly during interactions with the public.
YourFutureNurse 4/26/2014 3:49:53 PM Report

I think this is a great idea- for those opposed to the idea all I can say is be smart and don't do anything that would result in police pointing or using a weapon against you! I'm not worried because I am a law abiding citizen, and most of the people who follow the law shouldn't be worried at all.
Sammy1099 4/26/2014 4:00:03 PM Report

@YourFutureNurse

" I'm not worried because I am a law abiding citizen, and most of the people who follow the law shouldn't be worried at all."

Sounds like what you expect to hear from an authoritarian state. Tomorrow no doubt you will be OK with them rummaging through your belongings without a warrant, stopping you on the street for ID etc... Why not you have nothing to hide? Christ people are idiots. No wonder jackasses like Toews would even consider trying to pass his warrantless searches bill. He knows he can count on the ignorance of the Canadian populace.
Frio 4/26/2014 4:03:31 PM Report

Let the police be equiped with tasers and any other modern equipment available for their work. Put in dash cameras, and personal cameras, and have a police website open to the public where the police post the videos and display the kinds of activities, altercations and abuse they deal with every day. If you aren't breaking the law, or creating confrontations with police you have nothing to be afraid of, all will be open and transparent for the public to see at any time.
Sammy1099 4/26/2014 4:07:30 PM Report

@ Frio

Spare me work in any service industry job and you have to put up with the same shit. The cops are well equipped to defend themselves unlike the clerk at the store that was recently robbed.

I'm all for it post all their videos on their website. Why haven't they already done something like that?
MYPOINT 4/26/2014 5:35:58 PM Report

is as follows ....

1) Unless you are a police officer yourself, you have NO right to judge how they do their job simply because you have no real understanding of what their job includes on a daily basis.
2) I have cancer, diabetes, heart troubles, arthritis etc. and I am not worried about these tasers simply because I am a law-abiding citizen.
3) I firmly believe that all police vehicles should be equipped with cameras and that these cameras should be turned on at all times during a police officer's shift. In the event that the camera has been turned off, the courts would want to know why it was turned off so the onus would be on the police officer to explain why his or her camera was not operating during interactions with the public.
4) These officers should have to take a refresher course every year if they wish to have the privilege of using a taser ... no testing = no taser use!

In closing, I will say that there have always been a quite a few ridiculous posts on here ( some even consider mine to be ridiculous from time to time ) but we have to try and put ourselves in their boots if we are to ever understand why they wish to carry tasers. Your views may differ from mine.
young guy 4/26/2014 10:58:17 PM Report

If you ppl even consider how the way police officers treat random innocent people--like crap--in my opinion they should NOT be allowed to be within certain feet of a taser!!!

I mean seriously???? I am sure most of you people know what i'm talking about!! I, personally, got pulled over right in front of Gino's restaurant, literally right in front of the '80km' sign doing 85/km in a 60 zone 10 feet before the speed change. I increased my speed because I knew that the change would happen. Now if that is not 'abuse', I don't know what abuse is! If he would have beaten me with a weapon, then yes, obviously it would be abuse. But I guess using pre-meditated and coniving methods to charge people with extremely minor things isn't bad at all right. They needed that 40 dollar fine for their quota right? They really should TRY HARDER THAN THAT!!! You have to EARN people's respect!! Not by being coniving and deceptive! Obviously most people are going to hate cops!!

Why charge the people money that follow the rules for you. It goes against law theory entirely! It's extremely deceptive and, needless to say, I am extremely against them using tasers on people. The do not deserve it! It is a fact that hundreds of people can back-up, including me!

theprotector 4/27/2014 7:37:33 AM Report

tazers huh, well thats shocking
I agree with Zing dash cams and black boxes should be manditory.
I would suggest drug testing but well we would have a alot of vacancies on the force if that were to occur.
mingling 4/27/2014 8:25:18 AM Report

Oh great, that's all these cops need to throw their authority around lol.
ranny 4/27/2014 12:33:16 PM Report

Haters will always hate the cops, but will call for them when needed. How else would the law enforcement handle an armed person? You're saying they can't use a gun, Can't use a night stick, can't use pepper spray and can't use a taser. Walking to an armed person saying "pretty please give yourself up" is going to work?

The people who are complaining about law enforcement and saying they can do better. You are welcome to apply and become a law enforcement. If you think you can do a lot better in handling crime, handling situation or armed person.. please show us how. Not all cops are the bad guys/gals.
Sammy1099 4/27/2014 1:48:22 PM Report

@ ranny

That’s a pretty lame excuse. . I don’t like the brown water as well it doesn’t mean I should do a career change so I can implement my fixes.

People have every right to complain and expect more from law enforcement. As long as the taxpayer is providing the money for their toys, paycheques and benefits we have every right to question WTF they are doing. If you work your employer can’t question your actions unless he demotes himself? I would put it to you this way if as a police officer you don’t like your actions being questioned by the tax payer, simple get out of the public service.

I never said anywhere I hate cops a few of my friends are now cops out west. I think anytime you give people power of any kind the potential exist to abuse it. That is why you should always question things like this and make sure that whoever is trusted with the power has proper oversight.

Let's be honest police have been caught doing some pretty shitty things lately and some of those incidents involved the use of tazers. In an ideal world I would have no problem with this. Then in an ideal world we wouldn't be having this conversation.
rider_ 4/28/2014 12:31:15 AM Report

you wear the badge, you're in the public eye. cameras yes, tasers no
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