Minimum wage: How employers feelSunday, April 13, 2014 by: Darren Taylor
As of June 1, Ontario’s minimum wage will increase from $10.25 per hour to $11 per hour, making the province’s minimum wage the highest of any jurisdiction in Canada.
In addition, the Ontario government introduced its Fair Minimum Wage Act in February.
The bill, if passed, would tie future annual minimum wage increases to Ontario's Consumer Price Index, in an effort to make sure the province's minimum wage keeps up with the cost of living for individuals and families at a predictable, manageable rate for employers.
While the increase to $11 per hour and the possibility of minimum wage steadily increasing under the Fair Minimum Wage Act is welcome news for workers, these developments are a concern for employers, especially those who own small businesses.
Al Pyette (pictured in a light-hearted moment at his Showstoppers party rental store on Queen Street) told SooToday.com he has no plans to lay off any of his five staff members.
“I pay a little bit above minimum wage, I think people deserve to earn a decent living, but when you add any expenses to a small business on top of electricity and other costs, an increase to minimum wage is an added expense.”
“I’ll probably have to really reconsider hiring a summer student like I usually do after Victoria Day weekend,” Pyette said.
Pyette said he is “a little concerned” over the government’s bill that would tie minimum wage to the Consumer Price Index.
“That’s going to really add up to a lot of dollars…I don’t know if the government should be looking into legislation like that, it’s a scary thought,” Pyette said.
“On Queen Street, businesses already have a lot to deal with,” Pyette said, such as property taxes, online shopping and cross-border shopping.
Still, Pyette said he will most likely cut hours, not staff, if minimum wage climbs annually under the proposed legislation.
Pyette said his concerns would be lessened if more shoppers would spend more time in the downtown core.
Jason Doyon told us June’s minimum wage increase will not affect staffing at his two Pet Valu store locations in the Sault.
“It doesn’t affect our hiring practices because we must have a certain number of staff to make sure the animals and fish we have are adequately cared for.”
“We don’t want to sacrifice the care of our animals (by cutting staff) or our level of customer service in order to save a few dollars off our bottom line,” Doyon said.
Doyon did say, however, that the proposed Fair Minimum Wage Act may cause him some long-term problems.
“It won’t affect us in a huge way right now, but I can tell you if they do increase minimum wage by tying it to the Consumer Price Index every year, I think it may negatively affect our business.”
Jason Schultz, co-owner/operator of Eastside Confectionery, a small family business which has been around for 40 years, said he is concerned over the latest minimum wage developments.
“Initially I was happy because some people (anti-poverty activists and labour union representatives) were talking about how it should be $14 an hour.”
“If they ever put it to $14 an hour, I would be looking at closing the doors, or going to a schedule where I’m working only eight hours a day, and working those hours by myself.”
“I understand the government wanting to bring people above poverty line, but at the same time that would be stopping a business owner from trying to make money.”
Schultz said $11 an hour, up from $10.25 an hour, “doesn’t seem like a lot” but it is an added difficulty for smaller stores like his.
Among the difficulties, Schultz said, is the dramatic drop in revenue made from movie rentals and magazine sales.
Apart from his concern over buying supplies such as bread, milk and other food products for his store, is his feeling that small store owners should be allowed to keep more revenue from lottery ticket sales.
“If they (the government) are going to raise the wage, why don’t they give us more from lottery ticket sales?”
“Something has to change in the industry I’m in,” Schultz said.
“They should start letting us sell liquor.”
The Ontario government, at the beginning of April, announced it would allow liquor kiosks in grocery stores.
Schultz is unsure if he will have to cut staff or hours at his store.
“In spring it gets busier…a lot of it depends on cross-border shopping too,” Schultz said.
“We’re a part of the community, we pay our taxes, we hire people from the neighbourhood, we want to be a part of what’s going on, but it’s getting harder, it’s getting tough.”
The Fair Minimum Wage Act has passed second reading in the Ontario Legislature, and the Liberal government is urging the Progressive Conservatives and the NDP to support it.
With Premier Kathleen Wynne’s Liberals in a minority government situation, and with speculation growing that an Ontario general election looms, the Fair Minimum Wage Act may not pass.
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shju 4/13/2014 12:12:57 PM Report
The only reason people shop elsewhere for products is because its cheaper. The only reason its cheaper is because they pay thier employee's less. Simple economics. Why would I pay $100 for an item when I can get it for $50 online or across the river.
IgnorantNortherner 4/13/2014 12:19:04 PM Report
shju gets it...if I can buy some thing made by some kid in China at a slave wage why would I buy the same item made in Canada at a living wage? What am I, a decent human being?!?
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Great news 4/13/2014 12:19:34 PM Report
If revenue remains the same either prices go up or hours of operations reduce. The corporate stores may prolong any increase in prices but the small store owners won't be able to absorb the increases.
TFinn 4/13/2014 12:22:37 PM Report
shju 4/13/2014 12:12:57 PM
You are fortunate that you live on a border city ...however if you have to travel or ship the item, it would be close in price. There are few choics as far as population goes that live near enough to the border that can take advantage of shopping stateside for the majority, they don’t have a choice.
Tito 4/13/2014 12:35:24 PM Report
it looks like the guys from JMR who are doing the new highschool will be getting a raise...
T-pot 4/13/2014 12:38:29 PM Report
I agree with the three business owners. People automatically think that since you own a business, you must be well off. That is not the case in majority of small business owners. We don't see hundreds of thousands pouring in. We tend to keep a modest profit margin while trying to maintain fair pricing.
Increased minimum wage, means increase in prices, which tends to lead to a decline in business.
Who benefits from a minimum wage increase? A worker, making more money, pays more in taxes. Their employer matches those taxes for double the remittance. Government wins!
If the government was really in it to help poverty, they would take away some taxes on fuel, lower HST and offer a higher exemption rate on income tax. PERIOD. Start fair taxing program, where giants like Wal-mart etc can start paying more in taxes, etc.
SLV1931 4/13/2014 12:42:46 PM Report
This will only cause employers to cut jobs so that their business can keep up with the inflated currency thats causing the cost of doing business (and living) to increase.
R0FL0L 4/13/2014 12:56:54 PM Report
Cross border Shopping that is another subject
1. it takes a huge tax base out of the Canadian coffer.
2. Obama loves you, all the $ that you give to them
3.If you are over there and get a stroke or a <3 attack...or into a accident, then you end up on welfare and want the Canadian taxpayer to support you. hmpf a thought....hmmm???
I wish customs would do a better job.
Now you complain about PUC, brown water, pot holes etc. infrastructure breaking down while Michigan has better roads etc.
eadiecougs 4/13/2014 1:11:03 PM Report
we the taxpayers can change all that start complaining to your MP we pay for their wages.Protests are good stop paying your PUC everyone demand lower prices of fuel.until this happens they will not care a backlash of the government is needed period.
Brianne 4/13/2014 1:19:11 PM Report
The whole point is........ minimum wage are entry level jobs... not meant to have to live on a a family......... unfortunately even with college and university degrees, there is not enough employment in this city to cover those that have upgraded.
If you notice in the job ads, jobs that used to be way above minimum wage ( construction,etc.), are now minimum wage or over by .50 cents . Some employers have taken advantage of the fact that there are a lot of people unemployed and can get away with paying less for a job that at one time used to be good money. So in all fairness, everyone is at fault here for letting this happen.
Everyone wouldn't be screaming for a minimum wage increase if there were more jobs that paid a fair wage.
Gumby54 4/13/2014 1:30:40 PM Report
There are many reasons that there is high unemployment in this town and many have mentioned factors that are to blame. Although we have a University in this town, those taking courses should be aware of employment opportunities after graduation. Most should recognise that there is a limited environment for those >$50k jobs in this town. There is little opportunity for those with English, Geography, Computer Science etc majors. We have had our offspring leave this community to go to S. Ont even with their Eng. degrees. One must assess life after school in this town and either know you will have to leave or struggle with so many others for those few opportunities. And yes sometimes who you know plays a part. If I were hiring for a position and there were several applicants - one whom I knew, who do you think has the leg up? This is life - either here or in the big city. How many of us got some sort of leg up in our life by who we knew as well as what we knew?
Sault Ste Marie is not the center of the universe. There are many opportunities country wide for those willing and able to pick up and move. It is easy to live in mom's basement and bemoan the fact that we have limited opportunity here. Take a chance - you never know what awaits you outside the city limits.
ThinkAgain 4/13/2014 1:35:00 PM Report
The big box stores have killed the small Mom & Pop stores so please don't blame minimum wage increases. Now with online shopping its only going to get worse.
The taxpayer/voter has to stand up and demand change to our 3 ring circus we call government & our Monkeys at City Hall.
Brianne 4/13/2014 1:36:42 PM Report
Maybe when people start leaving the soo, and leaving the "minimum wage" jobs on to a better future, only then will city council "allow" other employment to set up here. For now, leave the soo, get the job you went to school for. Yes, the sault is home, but what quality of life do you want........
thera 4/13/2014 1:37:46 PM Report
You people are only looking on one side of the coin. One person started their argument off by saying "if revenues stayed the same..." Why is everyone assuming revenues will say the same? What do you think people making minimum wage will do with extra money in their pockets?? THEY WILL SPEND IT!!
It has been shown time and time again that the poor and middle class tend to spend their excess money, thereby stimulating the economy. Simple.
welcome2 4/13/2014 1:38:20 PM Report
I understand the need for people to have a certain level of income to survive. I do not however believe that people are "entitled" to make a wage that will allow them to live at a comfortable level. You get those things through effort and hard work and making tough decisions where your lifestyle is concerned.
It is a fact that small business employs more people as a whole than large corporations so it is therefore going to be small businesses that are most affected by an increase in minimum wage. Business is about making a profit and small business owners have a right to expect a certain return on their investment.In order for them to get that return, an increase in their expenses is going to mean a rise in the price of their goods and services or a decrease in employee levels.
wood_chuck 4/13/2014 1:54:02 PM Report
Its called supply and demand. The more we buy in CANADA from CANADA the cheaper things become. So lets help each other out and quit cross border shopping
Brianne 4/13/2014 1:55:34 PM Report
THe city needs to step up and get these higher paying jobs available for people to keep them here. If people start leaving, that's less taxes, less money for business.... which in the end will put everything up in price. It's a no win situation. Bring the jobs here, keep this city growing so people don't have to live.
Another poster was right about the college and university, do your research first, if you are taking a course that there are no jobs for her, then assume prior to taking that course that you are going to move out of the city.
theprotector 4/13/2014 2:01:44 PM Report
welcome you are an ass...people who make min. wage are some of the hardest working people around and get paid crap because business owners feel its a privlage for people to work for them. You arrogant silver spoon in mouth lazy ass!
Dixiepup 4/13/2014 2:19:20 PM Report
Maybe the cost of living would be more affordable if the freakin rent in this town wasn't so high! My spouse and I were thinking of downsizing and when we did the numbers, it would cost less by about 500 a month to stay in our three bedroom bungalow than get an apartment the size of a shoebox for a grand plus parking etc. every month, and that included our taxes on our house divided monthly and cable. I am friends with several landlords in this town and the y tell me they make a killing in profits, especially with the tax breaks every year! And don't get me started about the prices of a 1000 ft condos, three hundred thousand bucks PLUS condo fees, give me a break!
So who's telling the truth?
Even rich people are crying poor all the time. Maybe we should all just live within our means and separate our sense of entitlement from our wants.
Brianne 4/13/2014 2:20:19 PM Report
WOW welcome......... no one here said that they were "entitled" to live a moderate lifestyle. We'd just like the opportunity to do so, and to be able to work hard and "climb the ladder" There is not this opportunity here for many many people.
It's quite clear you've never had to struggle with paying rent, etc and cannot associate with the hundreds and hundreds of people that are doing that here everyday due to lack of half decent wage paying jobs.
mr.jack 4/13/2014 2:20:36 PM Report
well here is the thing about the Minimum wage going up.
sure your wage goes up, now employers need to make up money lost so they raise prices, so anyone on Minimum wage still pay the same for everything, yet everyone else have to pay more. And i don't want to here well you make more money and you have a better paying job. that's B.S
zartan 4/13/2014 2:23:15 PM Report
you win for the most sensible comment.
your life is the result of your own decisions, accept it, or, change it. prudence and education have always been the way to a better income, that's all welcome is saying.
Norm 4/13/2014 2:49:05 PM Report
The small business person has to be taken into consideration when these wage hikes are being considered. I believe the NDP would like to see the hikes go as high as fourteen dollars. That would contribute to the failing of some small businesses. The Soo, especially the downtown, needs to continue staying open for business, not closing.
Sam C 4/13/2014 3:05:34 PM Report
protector... if your argument hinges on name-calling, its a fairly weak argument.
I agree with welcome. Yes, people working minimum wage jobs ARE typically very hard-working. But that does not mean that the minimum wage should offer a comfortable living.
The minimum wage is just that, the MINIMUM... it is the starting point for entering the workplace.
Few employers pay above the minimum wage, nor do many offer incremental increases. In most cases, it isn't that the employees don't deserve more, but that the employer is unable to pay more.
The problem we are facing is that the majority of jobs are simply entry-level jobs, the ones typically held by students or recent graduates just starting out.
Many of the better-paying jobs we used to have are gone. The people working minimum wage jobs have nothing to move up to.
stakeholder 4/13/2014 3:15:50 PM Report
time for some math:
increase in the businesspersons costs to pay $11.00 hour from $10.25>>>>
the increase is 75 cents an hour
0.75 x 8hours in a day x 5days in a week x 52 weeks in a year = $1560.00 a year for a full-time worker, (majority of minimum wage earns are not even full-time)
$1600.00 is not going to break your business or you wouldn't be in it.
This $1600.00 is a huge amount when you are making minimum wage.
Brianne 4/13/2014 3:18:12 PM Report
Oh, for once Sam, i agree with you OMG !
You are so right in that, there is no place for advancement, nor is there a wage increase after years of working. Some of the business, such as the two call centers in town offered higher wages to start a few years ago, minimum wage has now caught up with their wages and they are not offering any more money than that now. They are screaming for people to work and both are offering not just a few jobs right now, but are needing a couple of hundred people right now. It is a difficult job, and no way should those people be paid minimum wage for what they do. It would be easier to go and work at timmies and make tips everyday, in the end making more money......... but , also taking jobs that were meant for young people starting out in the work force.
Sleepless in the Sault 4/13/2014 3:28:53 PM Report
Really shop in Canada .Its not all about dollars. When I go into a store in the mall and wait 15 mins for someone to help me because there on the phone or cell or texting. Shows that I am not really worth the time to assist. When I walk into a store in the US first thing is hi how are you how can I help you. Mininum wage is not the only issue killing this side. taking time to teach your workers that custs matter is,
Mr E 4/13/2014 3:36:57 PM Report
What could be more easier than talking on a phone?
yargon 4/13/2014 3:46:38 PM Report
They must have already laid of their employees at CTC. Yesterday at 12 noon I was in the store looking for an item. I did not know what department it would be in so I looked around for help. I walked up and down the aisles, but I did not see anyone but customers. When I did spot a worker they must have seen me coming, as they disappeared into the back room. To be fair I finally found two ladies who directed me to the right department, but I still needed help...no one to be found. I left the store empty handed. In the last few months I have bought a number of items on line and got them cheaper then the store price even with delivery costs and received them in a few days.
IgnorantNortherner 4/13/2014 3:48:28 PM Report
@stakeholder some businesses actually have more than one minimum wage employee lol
McDonalds, par example, has somewhere around 75k so that's like $120,000,000.
It adds up.
Again, it your MW employee is now making the same as the manager (or anyone who does more work) might you not be forced to give them a raise as well?
eadiecougs 4/13/2014 3:57:38 PM Report
Sam thank our governments for that the manufactoring jobs are gone .everything we buy is made in China and till we stand up and buy Canadian we will lose in the end Walmart is an example.
madmaymax 4/13/2014 4:01:15 PM Report
We should all stop buying "MADE IN CHINA products,bring back MADE IN CANADA,then there just might be some good job:):):):)
Norm 4/13/2014 4:20:29 PM Report
I don't buy anything unless it's made in Rydall Bank.
bonnie&Clyde 4/13/2014 4:37:44 PM Report
Fair Minimum Wage Act should apply to the franchise industry, not to independent operators. They are the first one's to jump up prices as soon as minimum wage goes up. Run by CEO's whose first priority is the total revenue, who's customers are the ones making minimum wage and can't afford to buy from independent owners.
stakeholder 4/13/2014 5:27:55 PM Report
-seriously billions served -millions in minimum wage costs -truely??can you say profit how much does a Mac cost anyway??
again one full-time minimum wage increase for a person at 40h per week and 52 weeks a year ---less than $1600.00
that is one fulltime worker a total of $130.00 a month increase in wages for one worker.................
Brianne 4/13/2014 5:32:48 PM Report
ah yes, but factor in the higher tax bracket that it will put some in , and the xtra per month would be only about ( if working full time) an extra $20 a week
mjmssm 4/13/2014 5:40:30 PM Report
I've been to cities such as calgary where tims is posting for help and paying more than 11.00 an hour because of a shortage of applicants. The coffee is still the same price as here and everyone survives.
stakeholder 4/13/2014 6:01:28 PM Report
your taxable income needs to be more than $43561.00 to jump a tax bracket
at $11.00h and an 8h day and 5 days a week for 52 weeks a minimum wage earner would only have a gross income of $22880 no where near a tax issue-speak of tax.....what about all those tax breaks and incentives for corporations..now there is a sin that somebody needs to address!!!
stakeholder 4/13/2014 6:18:15 PM Report
as of Feb 2012 Australia's minimum wage is ----------wait for it---------$15.96!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes cost of living is higher but so too, the population is smaller
Cost of Living....
Indices Difference Info
Consumer Prices in Canada are 23.80% lower than in Australia
Consumer Prices Including Rent in Canada are 29.67% lower than in Australia
Rent Prices in Canada are 41.41% lower than in Australia
Restaurant Prices in Canada are 24.35% lower than in Australia
Groceries Prices in Canada are 15.26% lower than in Australia
Local Purchasing Power in Canada is 0.13% higher than in Australia
Population Australia 2012 22.68 million
Population Canada 2012 34.88 million
do you think that these pathetically low minimum wages that Canadian's earns help to maintain this low cost of living?
in 2011, 9% of Canadians were minimum wage earners! These workers were over 25 y and the majority of these were women.
these women likely had children and therefore we grow another marginalized community--shame on us -with our wealth and benefits and we taxpayers have allow this to happen- shame on us!
itsme29 4/13/2014 6:18:56 PM Report
I like how this guy in the article running the corner store is worried about cross border shopping....ya people are going over the river to get a candy bar and a bag of chips....what a chump!!!
young guy 4/13/2014 6:28:35 PM Report
Well, maybe entreprenualism isn't for you. Just shut it down then.
You hire employees because they make you more money. If an employee does not earn you a profit to cover that extra 6 dollars per day that you have to pay him, then give up now.
If you own a small store, you should be there working anyway. The bottom line is, if your employee isn't bringing in more than 6 dollars in profit for your business, then you need to do it yourself or close the business.
It's not like we need another corner store.
It's not like we 'need' a party supply store either. You can do the work yourself, but don't complain if you can't afford to spend an extra 6 dollars per day. That is your own problem!
It's not like you guys employ very many people anyway.
I'm In 4/13/2014 6:39:59 PM Report
All your good paying jobs are gone because of governments (PC's) voted by you the working people giving them Majorities to do what ever they want, and I hope all of you know that the PC's are big business government. The cost of living goes up every day so if I am going to go to work I want that protection from the Consumer Price Index. Remember 1975 Trudeau brought in wage and price controls, the wage controls worked nut the price controls didn't you tell me why. I didn't ask for the cost of living to go up yearly, it is big business that does it for their bottom line (profits). Again blame governments for the small mom & pop stores closing, these businesses should be going after government, don't blame the increase of minimum wage for their demise. Tell me none of you don't like shopping at Macs/Mikes Marts (they make big profits so they can afford a minimum wage increase or they would be out of business by now). Until the price of gas goes down in Canada that's when I'll stop buying gas in Sault Mich., however I did notice the food prices across the river aren't any cheaper than the Sault except for a few things when you take into affect the exchange on your dollar and bridge toll increases.
David Poluck 4/13/2014 6:54:05 PM Report
What do you think?
stakeholder 4/13/2014 6:56:06 PM Report
i did some looking at rent for apartments on this website-range from $600 to $850 a month.
for arguments sake lets choose $600.00 a month.
Without considering any taxes to be paid from their wages-at $10.25-the current minimum wage-it will take one person more than 58.5 hours of work in a month to earn that rent. the fulltime workers total hours for the month 173.3 -therefore leaving them 114.8 h to pay their wage taxes, eat, transport, healthcare, clothing and so on.
at $11.00/h, the same worker would have to work 54.5 h to earn their rent-only 4 hours you say-
you like four hours less of work in a month.
SLV1931 4/13/2014 8:23:22 PM Report
The middle class is being wiped out systematically. The purchasing power of your hard earned cash is diminishing.
young guy 4/13/2014 8:56:10 PM Report
Please do more research. Where was the apt for $600? Was it just a small room, a bachelor apt, on gore street? I wouldn't even let my mouse live in that!
Verbatim 4/13/2014 9:32:53 PM Report
holy crap!!!! ignorantnotherner got it right.....finally someone who gets it
welcome2 4/13/2014 9:35:12 PM Report
Although Protector's comments are not of an intelligent enough level to warrant a response,I am going to set the record straight. I just love these geniuses (in their own minds) who read a person's comments and believe that they possess the wisdom to know everything there is to know about the
author. Protector I can tell you that where I am concerned you could not be further from the truth and making comments like you did about someone you know nothing about, solidified your place as the resident ass.
I was raised as one of four children in a logging camp in the bush. The only silver spoon I have ever seen is through the window of a jewellry store.When I entered the work world I worked at minimum wage for a number of years. I then made the decision that I wanted more out of life, and while continuing to work, went back to school and trained in something that would be of some use to me once I finished.I did find a f/t job which made use of my learned skills and paid more than minimum wage. My wife(who also works),and I bought a home (now paid for), raised 2 children who now both have university degrees and are working in their chosen field, have 2 paid off vehicles, and at no time has our COMBINED income ever come close to 6 figure territory. How were we able to do it-by making tough decisions. We do not own a cottage, have boats, snow machines, quads etc. We do not go somewhere warm every winter, we do not eat out on a regular basis.Every dollar we make is accounted for.
If that is what you feel qualifies me as a lazy, silver spoon in the mouth ass then obviously what you are would not be fit for this forum
What my earlier comments were meant to portray is that people have to take ownership of their lives. Minimum wage is just that a "minimum" and anyone who believes that the minimum wage should be such that it affords them a comfortable existence need to get on the other track
speed7 4/13/2014 10:50:19 PM Report
when youve got CEO's of major corporations making in excess of 500 too 700 grand a year salary. Who ends up with the silver spoon then??? We are all puppet slaves to our government who created these problems in the first place!
sportsfan17 4/14/2014 1:10:25 AM Report
As someone currently living in Australia, it all tends to balance out. Minimum wage here is upwards of $20 (in certain industries because it is industry dependent) and the cost of living balances out with that.
Battler213 4/14/2014 9:36:19 AM Report
Yes continue to blame everyone else because you can't get out of a minimum wage life. If you are where you are in life because of yourself and your decisions. No better way to say it. You're a single mother of 2? that's why you're on a minimum wage job? You don't want to leave your home town? It's tough for you to go back to school?
These are all your choices. Don't blame the government, don't blame your parents or friends or even this city. Life is what YOU make it. Sacrifices have to be made if you want to get ahead.
To you less intelligent people thinking that small business can't afford a small increase in their employees pay - do some research. $14/hr is close to $20 an hour an employer pays to employ that person.
I really dislike this entitled attitude people have. You expect everything to be handed to you. Half of you are waiting to get that score job in the steel plant with your gr. 8 education. If you have a University Degree - tell me what it is. I'll find you a job outside of this city and then you can keep up with the Jones.
pcp_69 4/14/2014 10:09:35 AM Report
I am a security guard, and in order to pay for all of my bills, i had to go outside of town to find higher paying work. contract security (which i work for) very rarely make above minimum wage, due to the lowest bidder getting picked. in order to make more money in my field, i travel 4 hours to get to work, just because it makes me slightly more money than min. wage (after gas)i'm all for the raise in min. wage, because i know what its like to try to live on min. wage
Moonshiner 4/14/2014 10:18:07 AM Report
You sheeple shock me ...nobody complained when the OEB approved Enbridge gas to hike price of ng 42%.Wait until next winter and your union gas bill hits!!!The increase in the min wage is minor compared to the major shafting we are getting.Jobs are still disappearing here everyday,tomorrow it might be yours!Thats when you discover all there is mostly is minimum wage,part time employment,regardless of your education or capabilities.At least Ontario Works pays drug and dental.God help you if you find yourself on that.
D.Hasselhoff 4/14/2014 10:34:56 AM Report
Well said Battler. So tired of people complaining to complain. First your bills are too high and now minimum wage workers are going to make too much. I busted my ass for 5 years in University with countless hours and dollars spent on training coming from a single parent home (no silver spoon here) and I will spend my dollar wherever the hell I'd like to. It's your job as a small business owner to keep the business in Canada and not across the river or online, your not entitled to it and if you don't like it, well then maybe as stated earlier, owning a business might not be for you.
ranny 4/14/2014 12:30:00 PM Report
@Gumby54 I agree with you. I have friends who complains not moving to a northern area and prefer to live in the Sault or a big city. They rather work two minimum wage job than to work in a northern area for $20/hr. There are jobs out there, you have to make the sacrifice in making your life happen. You can't just use "Wanting to stay in The Sault" as an excuse.
Plus minimum wage job is mostly used as an entry level for job or experiences. Not to be working for 15-20 years.
@T-pot said, you need to to improve yourself and make changes if you want a higher wage. Money isn't going to be handed to you. Most people think they should be receiving a higher wages with less work.
muf 4/14/2014 12:55:31 PM Report
Ya I can`t understand why anyone would like to stay in the Sault. Let`s all move south where all the tax dollars go. Perhaps we should move north where the cost of living is even higher !
young guy 4/14/2014 10:10:04 PM Report
You did not do it on your own though. By yourself is 2x as hard. Btw, I am now making quite a bit more than minimum wage now. I would commit suicide if I had to do that again! It would make a completely horrible existence, that's for sure. I don't know why people continue to work for minimum wage. With two people it's definitely manageable, but not with two kids(which they should have thought over first, yes). That is a tough mistake to learn from when you're at the bottom.
FirstChairLastCall 4/14/2014 10:17:52 PM Report
My jaw hurts from clenching as I read these comments. I'm blown away at how uneducated, misinformed, blind, brainwashed and more most of you are. ( Please don't mistake my lead in as arrogance or trolling. I assure you I am neither)
First, anyone who takes a side in this discussion immediately falls under one or more of the labels mentioned in my first paragraph. Most importantly, you are automatically wrong and need to get informed. (the sooner the better)
Next I must point out a few things in no particular order.
1. Minimum wage was not created specifically as an entry level rate of pay. Look it up.
2. Historically it was obvious, required and accepted to increase minimum wage. Take a second and ask yourself why today it has become a problem.
3. How educated are you REALLY on this subject and are you able to clearly see and understand the problem?
Last, please listen to this entire address and realize it is exactly where Canada is today as well. Old Bernie is a brilliant man and all should watch this and WAKE UP!
roxpin 4/15/2014 4:38:40 PM Report
raise to 14$ bunch of cheap skates!!!