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Deer-killing dogs to be put up for adoption

Thursday, April 03, 2014   by: Kenneth Armstrong

Two dogs believed to be responsible for killing a number of deer in the Point Aux Pins Drive area could be put up for adoption within days.

Sault Ste. Marie Ministry of Natural Resources (MNR) staff captured the dogs alive after residents in the area reported seeing the dogs chase down and kill several deer. 

Last Wednesday, Sault Ste. Marie Humane Society manager Cindy Ross said the dogs will be held for five days, it was unclear what would happen to them once that period elapsed.

Ross clarified today that the dogs are now in the possession of the society and will be put up for adoption once space becomes available.

The adoption side of the society is currently at maximum capacity.

She said she has no concerns about behaviour of the dogs, noting that they are very friendly and social with both humans and other animals in the building.

"It appears they were doing what they needed to survive," said Ross regarding the killing of the deer.

She also said that the condition of the dogs has improved in their week at the society, having gained some of the weight lost since running free.

According to tips received by Ross, the dogs were likely running free for at least a month before their capture.

The MNR is still in the process of investigating who owns the dogs and says that charges will be laid under the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act.

(Photo: submitted)

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Previous SooToday.com coverage of the story:

Reports of two wild dogs, three dead deer
MNR says dogs will be shot
Dogs captured, being held by Humane Society (UPDATED)
 
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Ynattirb 4/3/2014 12:13:42 PM Report

"It appears they were doing what they needed to survive," said Ross regarding the killing of the deer.

Glad they understood!! This is wonderful.
right wing 4/3/2014 12:19:22 PM Report


I am sure somebody out there will and I love dogs but I would never adopt one of those dogs.
Maleficent 4/3/2014 12:24:51 PM Report

Very good news, and I'm glad these dogs are getting the second chance they deserve.
benjicanfreak 4/3/2014 12:31:08 PM Report

So happy for these beautiful boys! :)
ThinkAgain 4/3/2014 12:38:42 PM Report

Don't understand why it is so difficult finding the owners when there are 2 dogs involved not just one.
Owners don't want to come forward because of threatening fines, its cheaper to let the dogs go.
Neighbors always know who owns dogs.
missmya 4/3/2014 12:46:09 PM Report

I agree, someone in the community must know who these dogs belonged to. I hope they report them so they can be held accountable.
anon8 4/3/2014 12:53:01 PM Report

Then can someone answer why they took down 2 deer in 30 minutes and didn't eat from either one.
Orange Crusher 4/3/2014 1:12:03 PM Report

It makes perfect sense to euthanize theses two dogs...the kennel is already overfilled and they have killed other animals...if it would have been a sheep or calf in a farmers field ...they would already been put down.
D_Laity 4/3/2014 1:14:19 PM Report

People need to remember there is a chance these dogs aren't even from the area.

Easiest way to get rid of two dogs you know longer want is to drive a 100km or more and open the door.
Hacksaw 4/3/2014 1:23:15 PM Report

Who is going to be held accountable if one of these dogs attacks someone? I once adopted a dog from the Humane Society that had a "Good with Children" tag on it's kennel. It subsequently bit my young daughter on the face and she requires stitches. It turns out that it was a stray and the Humane Society misrepresented it as "Good with Children" but assumed no responsibility. I'm not saying that these dogs are violent but I would not want one around my children.
good4now 4/3/2014 1:27:35 PM Report

Were There Any Witnesses?
While it seems possible that the dogs did the crime, it is equally likely that the dear might have succumb to starvation, or to other predators, and the dogs were merely opportunistic scavengers.
Dogs will chase after anything that runs, squirrels, other dogs,( a very common play activity, where both chase each other) and even running people, which they interpret as play. Thus, I do not think it fair to equate deer chasing with deer killing.

And, by the way, why have we not heard anything from the MNR about the plight of the Algoma deer in the past two weeks. They have time on their hands to capture two dogs close to town, but have done nothing, of which I am aware, to rescue thousands of dying deer in the greater wilderness. The winter seems endless, in fact another major storm is on the way. Why are there no rescue activities planned or reported?
anon8 4/3/2014 1:48:16 PM Report

Once again......YES!!!!!!! There were witnesses!!!!!! From chase to takedown to tearing deer apart!
right wing 4/3/2014 2:13:25 PM Report

Hacksaw

Exactly.
I would never trust these dogs.
right wing 4/3/2014 2:14:57 PM Report

...thousands of dying deer.
Really....that many huh.
I did not know that, could you provide a link to where you got your numbers from.

was it www.fromthinair.com ??
fullstringer 4/3/2014 2:21:16 PM Report

Hacksaw said, "I'm not saying that these dogs are violent but I would not want one around my children."

Well, I probably wouldn't your little brats around my dog.
DGR8 4/3/2014 2:46:33 PM Report

you people sicken me. its a DEER do you forget that there are people all over the world that hunt & kill deer ? & that Coyote, Wolfs, ect take down deer every day ? its the way the world works. Clearly these animals were left to fend for them selfs & they did what they had to do to survive. a dog is a dog ... your little poodle you have can turn on you at any second for NO apparent reason. Dogs were once wild animals to ... you know, just like horses, rabbits, mice (get the point)
To have to animals KILLED because of doing what is in their nature to do is just STUPID.
I am sure most of you who are complaining about this has some kind of meat in your freezer, deer, moose, pig.
Ever maybe think they dogs were trained to hunt ?
Use your heads.
& to the person who's dog got bit in the face. why was your kids face so close to the dogs ? you NEVER let your child no near a strange dog like that. or even what was your child doing to that dog.
Deer die EVERYDAY either its HUMANS doing it or its other animals for food.
so stop bitching .. you don't want these dogs around you then don't go anywhere near them. SIMPLE as that.
but to kill them for this is STUPID. DO WE AS HUMANS KILL PEOPLE FOR HITTING A DEER ON THE HIGHWAY ? NO DIDN"T THINK SO.
if you can't stand what happens in the wild move to the city.
jeez .. i am sure your cats have killed a bird or two also. i don't see you bitching about that.
you's need a LIFE
right wing 4/3/2014 3:04:34 PM Report

DGR8

...and you are in dire need of a spelling and grammar teacher.
right wing 4/3/2014 3:10:44 PM Report

Now that said...

R8

Wolves and Coyotes are natural predators.
Domesticated dogs are not, thus the use of the word "domesticated".
Yes some posses the ability, size and strength, to look after themselves if abandoned but that is not their natural course.
You may very well want to take one these dogs into your home and let it play with your young children or grandchildren and that is your choice.
The next time you come across a story about a poodle taking down a deer or ripping the face off a child please inform us.
Your arguments are plain and simply dumb.
right wing 4/3/2014 3:13:45 PM Report

...and not enough keystrokes, short an "s" for "possess"....
Tag33&1/3rd 4/3/2014 3:32:48 PM Report

"FIST'O'CUFFS"...
Ski-Dude 4/3/2014 3:58:05 PM Report

RW is right....always right...so don't bother.
bemo13 4/3/2014 5:06:15 PM Report

DGR8, i completely agree (even with your "bad spelling and grammar" because who cares, grow up) anyways. for the people that think these dogs should be euthanized, use your head. seriously. these dogs were left to fend for themselves for a month. what were they supposed to do? eat the snow? they were doing what they needed to do to survive. should they just lay down and die because you're going to be upset about a few deer dying? yet hunters can go out and kill them just for the sake of hanging their antlers above their fireplace? and you're okay with that for some reason, but let's FREAK OUT and DEMAND THESE DOGS DEAD because they needed to eat. it's unfortunate it happened that way, but there's far bigger issues in the world to be concerned about. go let your "domesticated" dog run free for a month and try to tell me it didn't kill an animal or two. you're never going to be around these dogs anyways, so get over it already. i swear people just look for things to be miserable about.
CR29 4/3/2014 5:23:22 PM Report

These dogs were not killing to survive, they were killing the deer for sport, which is the only reason that I believe they are dangerous. There are still two carcasses left from two of the deer they took down last week; if they were hungry they would have eaten.
I watched a cop shoot a deer that they had left half dead on the road, and not 45 minutes later saw them chasing another deer through my backyard. They have tasted blood, and I would be scared to have them back in my neighbourhood where we run and walk and where kids and grandkids come to play. Maybe it's possible they can be rehabillitated; I just hope they don't make it anywhere back towards the Pointe. Wolves and coyotees hunt and kill to survive, not for fun. There is a huge difference between them and these dogs that people don't seem to understand.
girlygirl123 4/3/2014 5:25:41 PM Report

DGR8 I totally agree with you . People think they know everything about these Dogs and know nothing.They assume and there is a word for it. There is not a dam thing wrong with the dogs and I am sure they would make good pets. I f I would not already have Dogs and cats I would gladly take one. Animals are not bad, people make them bad. So why are we always blaming animals?
right wing 4/3/2014 5:42:56 PM Report

Ski-Dude

Thank you but it's actually only 99.9% of the time.

...so when you theorist's of the "dogs were only doing what they should have" adopt any one of these dogs please send a picture of you with said dog to SooToday.

Bad Dawg 4/3/2014 7:06:16 PM Report

There is nothing wrong with these dogs!!All they wanted was food!! If the witness was so worried about the welfare of the kids why did they not try feed them?? And try to relieve a tense situation??

I grew up on a farm in Alberta and had all kinds of run-ins with "wild dogs" (not wild just runaway/wanderers). Feed them and you got a new dog til they roamed some where else. And yes, there were some farmers that shot at them... only so they wouldn't breed with their purebreds.
SmAsHed 4/3/2014 7:37:25 PM Report

So where exactly is the video evidence that these dogs killed the deer and just left the carcasses uneaten? Or testimony from the supposed 'witnesses' who saw the whole thing unfold?

Clearly, as evidenced by the condition of the dogs as reported by the Humane Society, they were starving. If any of us were left in a forest with nothing to survive, I'm pretty sure we'd care less about the deer and more about how to acquire our next meal.

Also, there were other witnesses that saw a pack of wolves in the exact same area. That seems more likely to be the cause of the killings.

I fail to believe the Humane Society would allow these dogs to be adopted out if they truly were concerned that they would attack their human companions, especially since it would probably be easier to put them down if they are over capacity at the shelter. Like previously stated, to the person whose child was bit by an adopted shelter dog, I'd be questioning what the child was doing first and foremost. Domesticated dogs don't often attack unless provoked in some manner, and I don't think the shelter is going to just lie and tell people that their animals are good with children if they are unsure.
SmAsHed 4/3/2014 7:41:21 PM Report

Also, was it entirely necessary to include "Deer-killing dogs" in the title of this article? Seems like an emotional bias...
Bad Dawg 4/3/2014 7:43:29 PM Report

They didn't look like vicious killers on the news the other day. The same ones saying they should be euthanized are the very ones saying the drug addicted criminals are not being treated fairly. Such a shame!!
SmAsHed 4/3/2014 7:53:28 PM Report

So when is the 'drug-addled criminal and deer rights' protest going to be held at City Hall?
CR29 4/3/2014 11:51:03 PM Report

My 'testimony' is with the officers who were dispatched to shoot the half mauled to death deer two Fridays ago. There is no other 'more likely' cause. This had nothing to do with wolves.
No there is no video proof... that's ridiculous to ask for. But there are two deer carcasses in the snow from two weeks ago, not eaten just ripped apart, for anyone looking for evidence. Had the dogs been starved, they would have eaten.
Bad Dawg 4/4/2014 1:16:59 AM Report

I am not doubting that they killed those deer. You don't know why. They are domesticated animals, not going back to a carcass is not uncommon for dogs on their own.

If there were any danger to people they would have hunted them and been successful. Then I would agree euthanize BUT to judge them under a stressful situation is unfair. They are dogs and behaved like dogs!! May I judge you for not caring for your family and making sure these dogs bellies were full so they didn't harm anyone?? How you look down and despise these dogs for what they did, I view you in the same light.
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