Brianne 2/26/2014 10:16:30 PM Report
Still not enough to live on ! Minimum wage paying jobs are supposed to be there for young people in school etc. Not for grown adults to have to live on and try to survive. This is the only wage that is available in our fair city. We need good paying jobs for people to move into and leave these lower paying jobs for the students to gain work experience etc.
Sam C 2/26/2014 10:21:30 PM Report
Let's please keep in mind that the "minimum wage" is intended to be just that, the MINIMUM that anyone can be paid. When you get hired, an employer MUST pay you the Minimum.
This is NOT, and has never been, intended to be the ONLY wage an employer pays to their employees, nor was it ever intended to be a living wage.
It is the starting point, the wage paid for entry-level work.
Sadly, too many employers refuse to offer annual or merit increases to their employees, well aware that there are many unemployed people seeking a job who are willing to work for minimum wage.
hardyguy33 2/26/2014 10:24:15 PM Report
How is that the city's fault? Minimum wage is the standard an employer has to pay for the minimum amount of work. You want a good job... go get it. The people in the "high paying" jobs are people who have gone to school, have an education, talent and skill in their field.
Move if SSM is such a crap hole city. Read your own comment... minimum isn't meant to live on for a family of 4 with a single income, if you want a better job, get an education or move to a bigger job pool.
lizzardskills 2/26/2014 10:27:45 PM Report
Education doesn't guarantee anything. Might make the odds a bit better. Staying in one career is even becoming difficult. They don't last or all of a sudden there are to many qualified people. We needed teachers, now many those that went to schooling that are laid off working in coffee shops. It's all one big gamble.
Brianne 2/26/2014 10:45:19 PM Report
There are many, many people i work with that have university degrees, college degrees,,,,,,,, and we are all making the same wage..... minimum wage. Yearly increases....... maybe, maybe .25 Cents an hour... if , your are "lucky". And no, and yes, on the many people willing to work it ...... that's because there is nothing else .
A job comes up for $12 -$15 an hour and you have not a few people applying, you have probably a thousand.
We need big business/factory work here something so that the adults who have bills, kids etc., can live at least comfortably.
shju 2/26/2014 11:30:16 PM Report
I said it before when this topic came up on sootoday. Min wage was never designed to live off of. Its the min amount of money so you can eat and have a roof over your head. Its not supposed to give you a car, a cell phone, take care of kids... etc. Far to many people make mistakes in life then resort to min wage jobs to be the end all save all to their financial crisis. Sadly the min wage increase impacts the same people its trying to help. COL increases because companies that sell the consumer products employ the same people that get min wage. If that goes up so does the COL. Its an ongoing cycle. All this is hurting is the middle class people that did goto school and that have moved and did the responsible thing. Yes sometimes life throws you a curve ball and you must do what you gotta do to make due but screwing up in your earlier years then blaming everyone that min wage isnt enough to feed a family of 5 because you cant keep your legs shut is hardly fair to the rest of us who worked our asses off to get to where we are. Me and my wife both worked min wage when we first got together. We made a combined income of just under 40k a year which was 2 full time min wage jobs. We managed to have a house(cheap one) not a mansion then complain you cant afford it. We had 2 vehicles that we bought second hand and didn't make payments at 15% interest like some financial genius's. We both went back to school and busted our asses off. Now we make good money but we did it and so could anyone else. We didn't have cell phones or go out every weekend. We didnt go out to eat. You make due. You cant contribute nothing and expect the world... oh wait everyone does now days.
shju 2/26/2014 11:36:42 PM Report
And to anyone out there that has post secondary schooling and is working min wage jobs, move. You cant expect to take these fancy degrees then employ yourself in a northern Ontario city. There are only certain jobs here in the town. You either take something you can get a job in or don't take it at all unless you are prepared to move.
I have a few friends that have useless diploma's and degree's. What a waste of time and money. Its like buying a Fiat and trying to tow a trailer. It just doesn't make sense. Going to school and taking anything because you get osap is all to common now days.
scottstewy123 2/27/2014 12:16:04 AM Report
Well when minimum wage goes up prices of services and goods goes up. How does it help if everything goes up in price? Is not the minimum wage worker in the same situation? The Ontario government will not tell us how everything will go up in price. Meanwhile the most vulnerable will have less money to buy groceries. Unless the government puts in place price freezes on everything. That would be just plain tyranny. Minimum wage hike sounds good on theory. But in reality it will make it harder for the small business owner. Who must increase prices to offset his or her profit margin. Or hold prices but lay off a worker or 2.
And also it will now hurt those on lets say disability pensions and those that are on Senior pensions. The grocery budgets will be 5 to 10 percent less buying power. So how does this help Ontario ? I say lets just leave it be. If you disagree with me show me logically how this will help Ontario. Factor in the facts that ALL businesses must raise price to offset the added cost. Do not tell me that business will get all warm and fuzzy inside and take the financial hit. Reality is business owners are in business to make profit. I do not blame them for that. They invest there own money and time.
scottstewy123 2/27/2014 12:29:20 AM Report
Brianne that's sounds good, but no HUGE factory will come to Ontario because of the HIGH COST of Hydro. Operating costs now are outrageous. Far more profitable to build in India, China, and some third world country. Brianne the problem is we have priced ourselves out of work. In many cases the days of the huge factories and manufacturing are gone. Yes we have ESSAR (thank God we still do)but for how long? Look at Kelloggs in London Ontario in the process of shutting its doors. Ontario is in bad shape I am afraid. And we have a government to blind to see it.
shju 2/27/2014 12:40:28 AM Report
Even if the government sees it they do whatever group complains the most. They only do something to appease the masses to get re-elected not what is right.
jagen 2/27/2014 1:49:21 AM Report
For those who are out there saying to 'just do this', or 'be like me, I did it this way', remember that for some this might be a wake-up call but also know this; you don't have a handle on everyone's life nor their problems. You say, 'Well, I had hard times and look at me' but there are some out there who's times are harder, maybe their health is compromised or they are taking care of an elderly parent or a wife or child with disability. Those are massively time consuming efforts. I hear, 'just move to good jobs' or 'just go to school', but that takes big money and resources and if they have someone here in a home depending on them or a special needs child or both, it ain't a cake-walk. Maybe they come home after working a minimum wage job and cook for someone disabled, then bathe them, then get them to bed and do it all again the next day. The last thing they have time for is schoolwork and they are exhausted. Maybe someone's debt-load is so heavy that they can't get osap and every penny is accounted for. Yes, be proud of your accomplishments but stop painting everyone with the same brush. So you were blessed with skills, maybe smarts or the time and ability. That's wonderful. And I agree that for most people getting yourself out of the troubles is doable. But, I personally know a dozen people who've had hard times where they are forced into a corner and they do the best they can. Sometimes a choice is forced on them, like taking care of themselves first or settling for lower and sacrificing a lot for a loved one. It happens, believe me. You may say that you aren't referring to them but many of these comments don't include these people. But we shouldn't make snap judgements on anyone. Suggestions are welcome, no doubt. What you say has merit. We should all do it with a tad more compassion for the lives we don't know or understand, is all.
nokamis 2/27/2014 2:48:01 AM Report
The increase of the minimum wage going up ..still not even enough to cover the price of the PUC raising there prices ...way to much and not enough raises on the wages ...let alone grub... rent ...I"d say move out of this slowly dying city
sunnie 2/27/2014 3:55:55 AM Report
Mr. or Mrs. Shju, I am totally offended by your ignorance. SERIOUSLY.. because someone works hard at their education they have to leave town to get a job in their field? That is not necessarily a bad idea but a lot of people want to stay close to home. I am under the impression that the government has increased the minimum wage to help people make ends meet. In other words, to pay their bills. I find that commendable. There is no greater feeling then not having a creditor on your back because you couldn't make this months payment. I think that appreciating someones effort in stability is all that this increase in the minimum wage is all about. Do not dis them for all that they do and or want to do.
sinikka 2/27/2014 5:53:04 AM Report
Increasing minimum wage is a knee jerk effort by a left wing government to fix the problems that the same government created.. It does nothing except squeeze the middle class even more. Because minimum wage goes up does that mean that those making $17-$20 hour will also get an increase , absolutely not. Now that minimum wage goes up so do the price of staples, such as bread , milk, gas, housing. The cost will be passed onto the consumer. If the government wants to help the citizens of this province how about reducing energy costs, reducing taxation, adding tax breaks for low income people, more affordable housing for low income citizens, and reduce government spending . These things will have a more positive affect on everyday life than downloading the problems of the province on small business owners.
dadal 2/27/2014 6:01:51 AM Report
It's all down to profit margins. Many business owners have a set profit so they pay next to nothing to make that profit. In some instances-NOT ALL- the profit margin is WAY too high. In order to support the community it needs to be lower to afford employees. Many many times I've heard retailers say if the cost of minimum goes up they will lay off employees. And this is from even the food sector that is NOT hurting in the profit area. When I hear of multi national companies that give their CEO or board members BIG bonuses then complain at cost of employees ( Like our buddies at CN ) I wonder how much value their employees really have. I will also say-and I know I'll be flamed for this-unions do force sometimes the wages to be too high
David Poluck 2/27/2014 6:29:54 AM Report
If government wants to maximize the minimum wage then the government should be looking at ways to reduce essential living costs instead of blowing smoke, As far as I can see they are deliberately raising the cost of doing business which includes running of households for all of Ontario.
And we are suppose to pat them on the back? Good job!
justsomeguy 2/27/2014 6:41:16 AM Report
This may be intended to improve minimum wage earners but once again it's a band-aid solution.
I don't make minimum wage but I'm living paycheque to paycheque and really don't spend on entertainment, gadgets or toys.
I haven't received any form of a raise in several years. Even my annual bonus was reduced.
So once again, what about the rest of us trying to live and contribute?
Come on gov't, what about the root cause rather than a band-aid solution?
atoz 2/27/2014 6:49:22 AM Report
Government likes to throw pennies at us, there being recalled anyways. Maybe they found the extra dollar per hour in all those unclaimed bank accounts. Lol
CherRN 2/27/2014 6:55:35 AM Report
Final nail in the coffin for small business.... fighting to keep our doors open.. so there will be three employees who will be UNEMPLOYED and soaking up EI...
I myself work in Health Care and have had a wage freeze most of the last 4 years.. a whopping 30 cent increase just a few months ago..
Minimum wage jobs are not sustaining life long employment- we need more middle class jobs so people can afford to raise their families...
By raising minimum wage, you are just going to eliminate more of these entry level jobs!!
speed7 2/27/2014 7:08:21 AM Report
thois is just mere table scraps. I have yet to find a government elected official who actually cares about this city. Its YOU who you votes for these coffers........YOU! no use belly aching when there are more jobs currently in timmins than sault ste marie. shamefull. absolutely shamefull.
Slim Shady 2/27/2014 7:44:01 AM Report
You are right on the money – I agree. Too many people want to start at the top right out of the gate. I left home at 18 to pursue a University Degree at one of the top Universities in Canada. I paid my own tuition, my own living…. It was hard – very hard. I was on Co-Op and every 4 months I was in another City across Canada… I bought a 10 year old beaten up car (at age 19) at kept that thing running for the 5 years I was at University. Necessity makes you a good mechanic, a body work expert, a welder, etc. But in the end I did it…. When I graduated in after the bad recession of the early 1990’s there was almost no work…. So I traveled to the oil fields in Alberta, worked shut downs in New Jersey, worked in factories in Southern Ontario – whatever it took and wherever I needed to be. I too when through tough Life events, death of a child, divorce, death of parents etc… You persevere, get back on your feet and achieve your goals.
Guess what? Adversity shapes the person you become. To this day I still fix my vehicles and stuff around the house… I teach my kids to problem solve and be self reliant. No one will believe in you if you don’t believe in yourself; only you can change your life for the better. There is no “magic” solution or “waiting for that opportunity”. You need to make that opportunity happen.
On another note, they teach kids everything in school except finances. So many young people get caught up in debit, high interest and over insured. Thousands of dollars lost and they get financially destabilized for a third of their life. Banks are all to quick to wrap a rope around someone’s neck and then sell them bungee jumping tickets.
If you think this City is so bad – LEAVE or do something to make it a better place! Utilities are expensive across the entire country! Sault is not "dying", however it does not have a large growth rate either! Forty years ago the population of the Soo was about 72,000... It dipped to 65,000 in the mid 1990 recession and today it is about 75,000 - pretty much the same.
I think we need several new small companies that employ 200-500 people. Trying to lure another company the size of Essar would be very difficult. However 500-1000 new decent paying jobs can be the catalyst for other companies to invest here. We have a lot going for this City: A stable workforce, decent facilities, good shipping by rail, road and water, close to the US market, lots of available land for new business and housing for new workers, etc. It is not all bad. What we need to do is curtail free trade that is unbalanced. We have a 10:1 trade ratio with China (not in our favour of course)... This is unsustainable and places Canadian factories out of work. Do we really need all this susbstandard Dollar Store crap and junk wrenches sold at China Tire?
speed7 2/27/2014 7:48:10 AM Report
and where was Hayes when this tidy piece of legislation was biemg formulated? In sochi along with our one of our city councillors. Your tax dollars at work. everyobne comp[lained about shrinking the Government. like it now? You have to go to service canada now for everything? nice! This city is going nowhere fast!
Bill_the_Cat 2/27/2014 8:12:46 AM Report
speed7: and if Hayes had been elected to the Provincial Parliament, your swipe would mean something.
Wisenheimer 2/27/2014 8:19:40 AM Report
Like the Obama administration in the U.S., the Provincial Libs have no other ideas for jobs other than this.
And by the way, Ms. Wynne is nominating you and small business to pay for it.
Wisenheimer 2/27/2014 8:21:35 AM Report
speed7 .. you might consider speed1.
CDIC72 2/27/2014 8:31:36 AM Report
Large coffee at Tim's will now be $4.00. Guess I will start making my coffee at home cause my wage is staying the same! The government has screwed me once again.
gowestyoungman 2/27/2014 8:51:34 AM Report
A lot of people here are hitting the nail right on the head. Minimum wage =/= liveable wage. It is intended for students and young people; not to raise a family of 4. To those people saying that it can't be done....that you can't get out of the rut.... don't believe the lies. Be willing to stand up for yourself and take action. I did it, and so can you.
I saw an opportunity and jumped all over it. Sure, we had to leave friends behind and move to Saskatchewan in order to make our lives better, but, after 1 year and 3 months I can assure you that it has been worth it.
If you are skilled at all...heck, even if you can lift 50 lbs over and over, there is work in the west for you. Even basic manual labour jobs are paying $25/hr. And despite what people might THINK....the cost of living out here is not that much higher than the Soo. Our bills might be $100 more per month total.
If you don't believe me.....check out www.saskjobs.ca
There are 14,880 jobs posted on that site ras of the time of this post. No, I do not work for them, I do not work for the gov. of sask. I am a former Soo resident who had the will to stand up and say no to low wages and no jobs and move somewhere they are willing to pay you a liveable wage if you are willing to work.
Dara 2/27/2014 9:01:17 AM Report
We have a deficit like never before and the liberal government is going to spend millions of dollars to make a new law saying when minimum wage has to be announced and then implemented.
Remember, all of these laws do cost millions of dollars to enact.
They don't just happen for free.
habsfan 2/27/2014 9:21:58 AM Report
Holy Cow, i can't believe the bullshit rhetoric on here. It is so simple, i cant believe all you know it alls haven't figured it out. Remember the gov. doesn't care about the lower half of society and don't let them fool you. Its like gas prices. The higher the price the more taxes they collect. The higher the minimum wage the more taxes they collect. And not just personal income tax but all purchases you make. Wake up.
damzull1 2/27/2014 9:51:36 AM Report
ATTA GO CANADA YOU ROCK YOUR GOING FROM BAD TO WORSE I'D RATHER GET A SLAP IN THE FACE THAN TO TAKE YOUR CHEAP WAGE INCREASE WHAT AN INSULT AND A JOKE
GenerationXYZ 2/27/2014 10:06:15 AM Report
Are we making Ontario's wage fair? No. This is great news for minimum wage earners they will be making more but for others who work above minimum wage, they won't see an increase in their paycheques. Like some above said, this is a band-aid solution, that is all. As well, because of this increase, the middle class just keeps get smaller and smaller.
T-pot 2/27/2014 10:24:24 AM Report
Habs fan nailed it. Kudos. Only winner in this game is the government. Minimum wage is a blessing and a joke into one. It does set a standard so you are not getting paid peanuts for a job, but it also does not promote growth. Believe it or not, there are more small business than bigger businesses. Smaller businesses have higher costs purchasing merchandise; which they have to sell at a higher price. There profit margin is no where near the price as the big stores.
One little thing such as minimum wage increase starts as a little ripple and then turns into a tidal wave wiping out everything in its' path.
For those on struggling on minimum wage, don't just accept this and hope to be thrown more scraps. You have to work hard and make sacrifices. Yes everyone and every situation is different. Not everyone can make the same sacrifice, but there are programs to help you to better yourself. You can't just sit there and live. You have to do what you can to survive. If you apply for an out of town job, Welfare does and will help pay for start up and moving. If your only reason why not to move is because "family is here". Then your family should take care of you because that is the poorest excuse I've ever heard for someone not wanting to get out of poverty.
Frio 2/27/2014 11:39:10 AM Report
The whole idea of a "minimum wage" was to be the starting hourly wage an employer had to pay an employee. Otherwise there would be employers offering anything they wanted less than that. The intent never was for it to be a "living wage" or a rate of pay an employee could expect to raise a family on. If your only ambition is to work at minimum wage jobs and expect the government to get you a raise every few years, them that is your choice. You can rationalize and make all kinds of excuses for why you don't make the personal changes necessary to get ahead, but on payday, you get what you accept for yourself..
ranny 2/27/2014 12:10:45 PM Report
@T-pot I agree. Minimum wage was not meant to be a career job. It's mostly used as an entry level or mostly used to help students who are going to school.
Stepping stone in job advancement.
People want money for nothing. They complain, "why is that person making $20/hr and I'm only making $10?" You have to work to succeed. Being paid $15/hr is not going to help. The people who are already making $15/hr and up will be receiving a pay raise if min. goes for $15. Why? because of skill trades.
It`s also your life style. Maslow's Theory. Do you need to buy stuff that you do not need? Expensive cell phone and package, full television cable, buying expensive clothing, buying new video games for your console, going out partying and etc. There a differences between "Need vs Want". Managing your income and money is a useful tool.
There are jobs all over Ontario and Canada. You have to make the differences and changes. If you see a high paying job outside Sault Ste. Marie, apply and take the job. If you don't want to apply and use.... "I don't want to leave the Sault." Do Not Complain, "there are no good paying jobs in the Sault." You have to make the differences and sacrifice. I've seen families moving across Canada for a job.
sooguy8 2/27/2014 12:26:02 PM Report
There are two very quick and easy steps the goverment could take to make things in this country better for every citizen of Canada. Firstly for every dollar an MP contributes to his or her pension plan the Canadian tax payer contributes more than 250 dollars which includes medical benefits aswell. That is sooooo unjust why are we not bitching about that. Secondly lets be rid of the senate, just abolish it altogether. We will still have to pay thier pensions but they can't live forever and its not like they can't get another job I am sure there is more than one strip club in Ottawa willing to hire more defunct senators.
sooguy8 2/27/2014 12:35:46 PM Report
And thirdly they can eliminate the one hundred thousand dollar a year limo drivers that drive MP'S around Ottawa to their doctors appointments and luncheon engagements etc. and make the MP's use thier own cars or take the efficient Public transit system
Koolaid 2/27/2014 1:31:22 PM Report
Next time there is an election, get off your asses and go vote !!
sooguy8 2/27/2014 2:04:19 PM Report
I am 51 and have voted in every election since I was 19. Its about time everyone wised up and realized the the liberals and conservatives are incapable of effecting the change that is needed in this country. Its time for a new deal perhaps. I personally think there are a lot of people out there that are working minimum wage jobs who are considerably more qualified to run our government than Justin Trudeau is ispite of the fact that he is most definitely pretty but sadly thats about all he has to offer and he proves that point every time he opens his over priviledge gob.
GenerationXYZ 2/27/2014 2:27:56 PM Report
T-Pot, I disagree with your statement that family is a poor excuse for staying in the Sault. To me, family is a top priority. Unfortunately due to job prospects I did leave and settled elsewhere, however I would move back in a heartbeat if the right opportunity arose even if I took a small cut to my salary. However, I wouldn't work minimum wage and barely get by just because family was in the Sault so we agree on that.
T-pot 2/27/2014 3:27:19 PM Report
Generation: I think you may have misunderstood what I was getting at.
Family is the most important thing to me. But if i'm failing and struggling to make ends meet, I will (and have) looked for jobs else where. When times were tough I moved to Manitoba and worked there. I had an opportunity to move back and I did.
I'm saying for those that are struggling, can't find a job, barely making ends meet, look for a job else where. Family is awesome, but staying JUST for family so you can suffer? Doesn't make sense. As for the cost of moving ask different government programs for help to relocate. They are out there.
T-pot 2/27/2014 3:28:58 PM Report
Gone are the days where people realized that they are the only ones that can make them selves succeed. Waiting for someone else to hand it to you will not get you very far.
speed7 2/27/2014 3:30:13 PM Report
speed 7,or 1 who cares? at least Im not behaving like a wise ass! Your showing you age. Grow up! Coexist. ;-P
ranny 2/27/2014 3:36:07 PM Report
@Generation You need to do what's best for your family. If you care about your family, you will do what it takes to support them. If it requires you to relocate and move. Then you need to do what's best to survive. If you prefer to suffer, that is your choice.
I was given a job opportunity in NWT, Alberta and Manitoba. I was lucky to find a job in Ontario and a few hours outside Sault.
I wouldn't take a pay cut just to move back to the Sault. Why take a pay cut if you're making a good salary wage. That's like saying, I'm making $30/hr but I want to move back to the Sault for $15/hr.
muddslinger6 2/27/2014 5:08:06 PM Report
Plain and simple...heres the reason jacking min. wage is a bad idea.
1. wages go up...employers charge more to their customers.
2. cost of living goes up cuz the employers have to charge more.
3. Min wage goes up again to offset COL.
4. Start at #1 again and repeat till all business are out of business.
The Government needs to step in and put a cap on what the NAZI'S in the power companies and gas companies can charge the consumers...it costs the same to deliver power as it does for the power...I can see a small charge for line maintenance cuz thats what its used for..but $150 monthly to deliver said power...shake ur effin head.
I agree with all who said move...if theres no jobs here in your field or "WHAT U WANT"...then YES by all means move...stop bitching and grow up.
In life you get what u get...not what you want
peanut12 2/27/2014 9:43:51 PM Report
The Government needs to lower gas prices, lower the grocery prices and lower the rents.....give the people on welfare: food stamps and pay there rents.....working people need to live too, but I guess this is a welfare country where people sit on the A** all day and get paid, while the people working slave and starve to pay there rent
ranny 2/28/2014 9:42:07 AM Report
@muddslinger6 The idea sounds great. But sadly I think the Oil and Hydro company runs the government due to pocketing the money. The government see this as an opportunity as more tax money coming in.
Raising minimum wages will cause all wages to go up. Which will people will pay more taxes.
Causing prices to go up will mean more tax money coming in.
All they see is the money coming in and don't really care if we're being gauged by the Oil/Gas and Hydro company. They're the company who are probably bribing the and paying all these politician campaign. In return of a favour......
We will continue to see Oil/Gas and Hydro company posting on the news, Record breaking Quarter Profit. Which probably makes us sick to the stomach seeing.
GenerationXYZ 2/28/2014 11:26:56 AM Report
@Ranny. When I stated I would take a small pay cut to my salary I met going from maybe $30/hour to $28/hour, nothing too substantial that it would hurt my family financially.
@T-Pot. Happy to hear you got to move back to the Sault. I've been gone for 12 years now and don't foresee myself coming back in the near future. I do visit though.