Neigh to Harper's stable government: current gallop pollsThursday, January 30, 2014 by: SooToday.com Staff
THE PRIME MINISTER'S OFFICE
OTTAWA - Prime Minister Stephen Harper today issued the following statement on the eve of the Year of the Horse:
“Laureen and I would like to extend our best wishes to the many Canadians of Chinese, Korean and Vietnamese descent, as well as to all others here and around the world, who are celebrating the Lunar New Year.
“Lunar New Year is a time to get together with family and friends and count the many blessings we have enjoyed in the past year, and to look forward to the year ahead with hope and determination.
“During this exciting time, Canadians will have the opportunity to share in the vibrant traditions that characterize Lunar New Year celebrations, including colourful parades and the distribution of ‘Lucky Pockets.’
It is also a time to recognize and appreciate the immense contributions made by our Chinese, Korean and Vietnamese communities to our country’s ongoing success and prosperity.
“Once again, we offer our warmest wishes to all of you for a healthy, happy and prosperous Year of the Horse.”
Number One Son 1/31/2014 5:54:18 AM Report
How fitting, .... in the "Year of the Horse" a message from the horse's ass, ...
happy camper 1/31/2014 6:22:52 AM Report
You are SOOOOO right
Sweets312 1/31/2014 6:54:11 AM Report
Yes...what number one son said..lol
Dead End Kid 1/31/2014 7:29:44 AM Report
The story had nothing to do with the headline.
Number One Son 1/31/2014 7:42:39 AM Report
Come on Dead End Kid, .... get with the program. The title is 100% play on words right down to the spelling of the word "gallop", ....
justsomeguy 1/31/2014 8:11:37 AM Report
I would love to see media outlets be neutral and only present the facts. As readers I like to think we're smart enough to formulate our own opinions.
Javaman 1/31/2014 8:55:41 AM Report
When you start paying for sites like this you may have a say..until then...enjoy the freebee for what it is.
justsomeguy 1/31/2014 8:59:45 AM Report
I also meant journalism in general. There's always a political slant. Similar to how reality shows on TV are edited to lead our perception of things.
justsomeguy 1/31/2014 9:00:53 AM Report
My understanding was that media outlets strive to achieve excellence in their writing to increase their readers/web traffic thereby increasing their revenue through advertising sales, etc.
speed7 1/31/2014 9:13:46 AM Report
lol number one the horses ass is selling our canada to asia..... fitting that he observes asian astrology. wish that horse woulds kick that ass all they way home.wonder what year it was when he got elected must have been year of the pig or the rat..... im sure?
CCR 1/31/2014 9:15:45 AM Report
This is a classic example of a biased media jab at PM Harper. It has no relation at all to the content of the news release, but it certainly uses the headline in an attempt to ridicule him. The problem with this sort of cheap, drive-by smear is that it produces an unwarranted effect in the minds of readers. It has been said that "the medium is the message". In this case the editor has sent a message of contempt with no substantiating facts backing it up. If this news outlet wishes to produce editorials critical of the government it should do so by presenting an argument, backing up their position with facts and trying to legitimately participate in political discourse. This is an insult to the democratic process and an abrogation of journalistic integrity.
B Boy 1/31/2014 9:32:01 AM Report
@CCR - very well put.
Makes me think of Responsible Journalism.
MikeQ 1/31/2014 9:47:11 AM Report
HowAbooutSomeLogic 1/31/2014 9:55:30 AM Report
BBoy/CCr/MikeQ - There's lots of ways to react to this article...only one is contempt. So what's the real problem?
Is it critical of the gov't (which is absolutely and obviously corrupt btw...ALL PARTIES) since, as you say, no argument is even presented?
From my experience, sootoday is about the last place on Earth any reasonable person would seek out political discourse or democratic process - everyone is judge, jury and executioner here - so if you're offended it's on you.
I'm curious as to where you get your bias free 'news' these days. Seriously.
lol and who owes Harper, that scumbag, anything?
Dictionary 1/31/2014 10:14:24 AM Report
hahaha... Harper deserves every steaming pile he gets dumped on him.
all you neo-con crybabies can suck it!
Truck 1/31/2014 10:15:07 AM Report
I hear Sun News is full of journalistic intergrity!!
B Boy 1/31/2014 10:16:58 AM Report
Unfortunately there really isn't a good media outlet in the Soo to keep apprised of current events.
My reaction wasn't contempt, it was based on an observation. You asked where I get my bias-free news? That's exactly my point, I can't find bias-free news, there's always a political slant. I'd prefer to see facts and form my own conclusions.
For the record, it takes much more than this to offend me. Living in Sault Ste. Marie, one needs to be fairly thick skinned.
We never owe politicians anything - they continue to owe us. Once again, those positions wouldn't exist without us. Regrettably all too often every party at every level fails to remember or recognize who it is they serve.
B Boy 1/31/2014 10:29:20 AM Report
Is it possible to have an mature & intelligent conversation here without people resorting to name calling?
I never said I'm a conservative. In fact I don't support any of current parties. In my opinion their all dirty. Every time a party is in office all manner of nefarious deeds are uncovered.
freedom1 1/31/2014 10:52:37 AM Report
I'm with the vets . Dont vote conservative.
Norm 1/31/2014 10:54:32 AM Report
It's highly likely that Julian Fantino has handed Trudeau the next election. Hayes would be in tough to win here as well. Most voters will back the Veterans in their quest to make the conservatives pay for their, what seems to be, lack of support. Not sure if Hayes has spoken on this yet, if not, then when.
CCR 1/31/2014 10:55:33 AM Report
The problem is that when it comes to balance, it is a lot easier for detractors to use black humour and cynicism and to encourage cheap shots over reasoned argument. I think this leads to a kind of negative populism that defeats governments even when they are, overall, doing a good job.
It is not the article that is critical of the government, but the totally inappropriate headline.
Even if you feel that SooToday is not a very good publication, it still has a readership and still can affect local opinions. It is better to be engaged in discourse than let smears go by without rebuttal as if nobody cares. If I am offended it is as much my right to respond as it is yours to mock me.
Getting unbiased news reports is, in my opinion, almost impossible. Editors dictate content and owners dictate editorial policy. It is perhaps better to try and read and listen to various sources of news and try and form an opinion based on more than one or two sources. I suspect we are of a similar view on this point.
If lol denotes some kind of humour, it is lost on me when you denigrate the Prime Minister with epithets like "scumbag". My opinion is that he has done good work in restoring the credibility of Canada abroad, putting in place policies that have sustained our economy through a period of unprecedented economic turmoil, restored key capabilities to our armed forces, reduced taxes, brought us on track to balance our national budget without reducing transfers to the provinces (like Mr. Martin did), and removed what was in my view an expensive and misguided gun registry. These are only a few of this government's accomplishments, and whether you agree with them or not, whether you feel you "owe" Mr. Harper anything or not, you none the less benefit from them as do all Canadians.
B Boy 1/31/2014 10:59:46 AM Report
As a veteran (I served in roto 4 of UNPROFOR and later UNTAC)I can tell you that I was horribly cared for by the liberals. They cut & they slashed and had nothing more than veiled derision for members of the Canadian Forces. It's true that the conservatives have made some cuts and some areas have deteriorated but in my opinion nothing is remotely close to being as bad as it was under the liberals.
CCR 1/31/2014 11:14:20 AM Report
It might be advisable to let the veterans story play out a little longer before deciding against the government. I am a veteran and from a long line of soldiers, and have two sons serving. The issue is important to me.
I have my misgivings about the care and resources available to veterans, especially those wounded or suffering from PTSD. However, the essential issue in my opinion is the Veteran's Charter, which was established by the Paul Martin government and removed pensions in favour of lump sum payments. I think it was wrong then and I think it is still wrong now. The current government should restore a monthly pension component for those who need it.
The confrontation yesterday seems to me to be a contrived bit of political theatre. It is apparent that the Public Service Alliance of Canada was responsible for orchestrating the event to the extent that it had representatives there coaching the veterans present, put them up in hotel rooms, and generally staged the level of anger and discontent so that even if Minister Fantino had been on time the meeting would have devolved into chaos anyway. Ironically, the Minister was late at a cabinet meeting where he was making the case for more resources for veterans. Being a veteran myself, I do not appreciate it when a union tries to use veterans to make a play to save jobs.
The veterans support centres that are scheduled for closure are reported to be highly underutilized. If this is true, then they should be closed and the services provided by other means. I would rather see the money from the closures being put at the disposal of veterans who need assistance.
I am not a fan of Minister Fantino. I liked his move to restore black and white to the colour scheme of the O.P.P., but I deplored his handling of the Caledonia crisis. I think he should be moving heaven and earth to get a pension element back into the options for wounded veterans. But he does not deserve to be hung out to dry on account of a staged union stunt.
learningaswego 1/31/2014 11:44:17 AM Report
CCR is bang on - it's come out in today's news that the confrontation with the Veterans' Affairs minister was in all likelihood "theatre", planned and contrived by those with a definite agenda and axe to grind. Why, Public Sector UNIONS of course, who else?
HowAbooutSomeLogic 1/31/2014 12:31:31 PM Report
You got it, dude! IT'S ALWAYS THEATRE!
BBoy, that's what I was meaning...that you can't get 'just the facts' anywhere anymore and the 'facts' are always changing....but anyone can appreciate sootoday author(s), attempting even a whit of wit, imo
It's amazing to think the onionnewsnetwork has become as good a place for 'news' as any 'news channel' on tv or any newspaper.
I agree, we DON'T OWE THEM SHIT.
ANY. OF. THEM. ....and it doesn't sound like you're an apologist for this criminal gov't....but sometimes I take it for granted that enough of the 'facts' do indeed trickle down to the masses for everyone to realize how corrupt they are
HowAbooutSomeLogic 1/31/2014 12:37:49 PM Report
I guess my humour can said to be defeatist in a way...but 'lol' means that your implication makes me Laugh Out Loud , which was and is like you say, that I benefit from TheHarperGov'tTM policies and that, in general, he 'has done good work'. I actually find that hilarious.
He's just an absolute scumbag and excuse my half illiterate self but I still do not have a better word in my vocabulary to describe the guy....and I feel like he's abused me, over, and over, and over again to the point where I owe him and really, anyone who continues to support him despite mountains of evidence, forgive these trailing sentences but this goes for the other parties as well - NONE ARE SAFE TODAY OR ANY OTHER DAY- I don't owe any of you more than the most basic of human needs and a little compassion given how little you value your own rights and those of every Canadian. If you continue to support them, you cotinue to demonstrate this.
Let's not get stuck on what they did to 'stimulate or stabilize the economy', cut (corporate) taxes or restore crdibilitiy abroad. I don't think we'll find much agreement there from your views but if you took a look at HARPERSCRIMES.CA I think you'll find the types of acts that aren't on the same level as the belief that harper has cut your taxes or the things you mention.
Keep in mind, this list leaves off a ton of crimes that should be considered for top ten status as well, such as his continued support for
Monsanto+GMO foods,ignoring science so biotech/BigPharma can grab some more cash
ignoring science and Fukushima and our own ancient reactors+fuel+waste,
ignoring science and what fracking+TheTarSands does to our water so BigOil can grab some more cash,
policies that, in general undermine whatever 'privacy' means to you
policies that, in general, undermine whatever 'freedom' means to you
Their list includes various other instances of harper's continued denial of science and the scientific method with some legitimate cases for crimes against humanity charges
HowAbooutSomeLogic 1/31/2014 12:44:43 PM Report
I know a few vets and either they figure out that all of the parties have a continued history of abusing them and implicating them in illegal wars, be it with the US or Israel (is that what you meant by 'restore credibility abroad'?) or whoever and they come away from war with this added insight...or they don't.
It's scary you trust these bastards enough to go die for their causes.
I mean no disrespect, btw. Thanks for your service, homies. I'm sure you confused 'our cause' with 'their cause' just this one time.
CCR 1/31/2014 1:27:58 PM Report
I guess some things just don't change much over time. People posting on this site, and millions who do not, honour the service of our veterans and accept that our governments, regardless of their political stripe, try their best to send soldiers into harms way only when it is in the interest of Canada, the interests of liberty, and the interests of ameliorating human suffering. This selfless action on the part of hundreds of thousands of Canadians has ensured that you can have the freedom to run down the political system that is our democratic method of decision-making, attempt to link Canadian military service over more than 100 years to nefarious motives, and generally show off as some kind of classroom wit. Enjoy the freedom that was guaranteed for you by others.
You present disjointed arguments using poor writing skills, you demonstrate a conspiracy-theory attitude, and you spew vitriol against those you disagree with as opposed to presenting reasoned arguments. If you were in a class of mine, I would grade you a failure.
HowAbooutSomeLogic 1/31/2014 1:44:54 PM Report
Let me guess, Cheech - critical thinking and creativity are banned in your classroom in favour of religion and patriotism.
You make up part of the Indoctrination School of Learning, never letting facts get in the way of your revisionist view of history and your judgments.
Not only do you defend when our gov't makes a mistake concerning war but you have nothing to say about those of the US or Israel who we're always 'backing'
It's enviable that you think so much of our politician fellow humans that you find them infallible. Again, this goes contrary to the established facts over many years (lol human history) but unfortunately they do make mistakes and it does cost many lives.
Sometimes reality sounds like a conspiracy theory.
Best not to stick your head in the sand, though.
CCR 1/31/2014 2:47:26 PM Report
This is a much better post from you; better sentence structure and grammar, more advanced vocabulary, and fewer smears.
I have never been named or called Cheech. I taught classes in the Army, as most soldiers do sometime in their careers, but I have never actually had a classroom of my own. My religion is a private affair, and I do not promote it beyond saying grace at dinner, nor do I appreciate it when other people push theirs on me, or insinuate that it unduly informs my opinions. I am not ashamed of being patriotic, as far as patriotism is a positive reinforcement of being Canadian. Most soldiers I have served with are patriotic in some measure, but reluctant to "wear it on their sleeves", except with respect to the Canadian flag which they enthusiastically wear on their shoulder.
You claim that I make up part of an "Indoctrination School of Learning" and refer to a "revisionist view of history", yet none of my posts present any historical arguments. Your attributions in this regard lack any kind of support, rendering them purely conjecture.
I am happy to present mistakes made by our government, such as their neglect to re-instate pension subsidies to wounded veterans, but prefer not to generalize their actions as an overall failure because I believe this government has been an overall success. Canada's position respecting Israel is, in my opinion, a principled one that is actually at odds with current U.S. and U.N. policy of moral relativism. I think it is right to support the only functioning democracy in the middle east, and that surrounding Arab states should be held to much greater account for prolonging any two-state solution, advocating the annihilation of Israel and all Jews, and generally prolonging the agony of their own people.
I certainly do not feel that any politician or any person is infallible. I agree with you that over many years of human history there are more than enough examples to confirm this. I do, however, like to remember the words attributed to Winston Churchill who said when referring to different governing structures, that "democracy is the worst possible system except for all the others". In this spirit I accept that our current Conservative government has made some mistakes, but contend that on the whole, we have been well led and administered over the past eight years.
I often come across individuals who contend one kind of conspiracy or another. In my opinion it is best to remember that even if reality sounds like conspiracy, it is probably not. My own experience with government agencies is that they can mess things up through overweening good intentions, laziness, or incompetence, worse than any conspiracy might be able to.
I have never stuck my head in the sand. I am not an ostrich. I try to stay abreast of current affairs, and to express cogent arguments and points of view.
HowAbooutSomeLogic 1/31/2014 3:05:57 PM Report
I have a hard time conversing when all I sense is good intentions mixed with a ton of ignorance and naïvety. Dangerous combination, to be certain.
If 'neglecting to re-instate pension subsidies to wounded veterans' is the worst mistake you think this gov't has made, Soldier, our 'realities' differ so greatly we might as well end things here. Doesn't seem you'd like to consider any of the dirt.
We seem to have different ideas of what such thinks as liberty, patriotism and democracy mean to us, too. Really different.
However, I cannot ignore your support for your 'leader' when it results in actions that violate my rights and those of all Canadians. It makes you part of the problem. Part of the 'status quo', as it is, that needs be dealt away like the cancer it is.
"He cannot rightfully be compelled to do or forbear because it will be better for him to do so, because it will make him happier, because, in the opinion of others, to do so would be wise, or even right... The only part of the conduct of anyone, for which he is amenable to society, is that which concerns others. In the part which merely concerns himself, his independence is, of right, absolute. Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign." ---JSM
Did you teach your students Mill?
HowAbooutSomeLogic 1/31/2014 3:06:35 PM Report
CCR 1/31/2014 3:52:48 PM Report
I taught Military Law, tactics, and fire discipline.
However, I studied JSM.
On Liberty, 1859:
"Like other tyrannies, the tyranny of the majority was at first, and is still vulgarly, held in dread, chiefly as operating through the acts of the public authorities. But reflecting persons perceived that when society is itself the tyran--society collectively, over the separate individuals who compose it--its means of tyrannizing are not restricted to the acts which it may do by the hands of its political functionaries. Society can and does execute its own mandates: and if it issues wrong mandates instead of right, or any mandates at all in things with which it ought not to meddle, it practises a social tyranny more formidable than many kinds of political oppression, since, though not usually upheld by such extreme penalties, it leaves fewer means of escape, penetrating much more deeply into the details of life, and enslaving the soul itself. Protection, therefore, against the tyranny of the magistrate is not enough; there needs protection also against the tyranny of the prevailing opinion and feeling; against the tendency of society to impose, by other means than civil penalties, its own ideas and practices as rules of conduct on those who dissent from them; to fetter the development, and, if possible, prevent the formation, of any individuality not in harmony with its ways, and compel all characters to fashion themselves upon the model of its own. There is a limit to the legitimate interference of collective opinion with individual independence; and to find that limit, and maintain it against encroachment, is as indispensable to a good condition of human affairs, as protection against political despotism."
I don't need a lesson in the "tyranny of the majority", and would posit that if JSM were able to reappear 150 years or so later, he would be writing just as many pages about the tyranny of the minority today. I think it is always about finding balance, as JSM also points out in his writings. I do not believe, however, that he could have foreseen the clashes extant in our modern society. I think having my property rights trampled by a useless gun registry was a violation of my liberty that has been redressed by this government; you have concerns that you have yet to clearly enunciate about how the same government has violated your rights. That is why we have elections.
HowAbooutSomeLogic 1/31/2014 5:45:13 PM Report
Well, no, I was going to give you a lesson on the 'harm principle', which, I think you fully understand yet fail to observe the many actions this gov't has taken contrary to said principle. You don't have to dig deep, really.
...and you really shouldn't get more than a sliver of your 'Current Affairs' info from the tv and newspapers lest they mess with your mind and have you group thinking before you know it.
There are just so many instances of outright fraud and crimes against humanity that it would takes hours I don't have to tell you something you apparently don't want to hear.
He's gung ho for the TPP and has been for years yet the Canadian public apparently isn't entitled to see what's inside just yet. Literally anything that benefits big business at the expense of your liberty he is all for, it would seem.
Anyway...Michael Keefer is a military guy. Maybe you know him. He wrote this three years ago. Since, we've had TheHarperGovtTM go along with the illegal war in Libya (always in the name of democracy, it seems) and dangerously close to wars with Iran and Syria, which is probably just a matter of time. He privatized the prison industry and has given up on mental health initiatives. He has a track record of ignoring science entirely if it does not fit his motives. He has sold off more of Canada's natural resources to foreign entities than all previous administrations combined, seems to hate the idea of a free press, the environment, etc. There just are not enough hours in a day!
HowAbooutSomeLogic 1/31/2014 5:52:02 PM Report
harpercrimes.ca you haven't checked out yet.
Your naïvety was peaking through again when you said you liked how Harper did away with the gun registry. It took years to put that thing together and if you think it's not still lying around and that foreign govts didn't have their hands on it a decade ago well, I would disagree. Such things don't just go away in today's world.
Good day, sir.
freedom1 2/1/2014 6:58:14 AM Report
Don't vote CONservative next election. I'm with the vets. What Julian Fantino did to them was simply disgraceful and should resign or be fired!!! First he never showed up for the meeting. There is nothing more important than the Minister of Veterans Affairs to meet with Veterans!!! Then to walk out on people with all those medals some from WWII. You think a person such as Fantino a son of Italian immigrants would be a little thankful and respectful. Then to spin it and blame the unions for Veterans standing up for themselves was another disgrace. Its sad that some CONservatives are so loyal to the party that the CONservatives could do any act of immorality such as take from the poor and give to the rich, take away peoples rights, gagging scientist, spy on their own citizens, destroy the environment, disrespect Veterans, the CONservatives could kill your first born child and these people would still vote CONservative. Wake up people and stop voting for CONservatives.