Police advice on road conditions hits home, literally (3 photos)Thursday, January 09, 2014 by: SooToday.com Staff
A news release issued January 8 by the Sault Ste. Marie Police Service asked local drivers to "reduce speeds and to be aware of very slippery conditions on local roads".
There were reportedly 15 vehicle accidents reported Wednesday between the hours of 6:45 a.m. and 3:10 p.m.
Although police haven't yet released the amount of collisions that have occurred Thursday, it seems at least one involved a vehicle of their own.
Police were observed at Grace Street and Bruce Street Thursday afternoon investigating a minor collision that resulted in minimal damage to the rear passenger-side door and surrounding area (shown above) of a police vehicle.
There did not appear to be any injuries at the scene and it is unclear who may have been at fault.
As stated in the police news release, mentioned above, "Please drive in accordance to the road conditions."
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Just Curious 1/9/2014 4:03:19 PM Report
Now that's funny !!!!LOL.:)
dadal 1/9/2014 4:05:37 PM Report
ROFL. Yes SSM police, just as everyone stopped drinking and driving after that sad death, the citizens of our fine city will listen and slow down.
Ever drive right after the first snow? How many people go along Great Northern down the MIDDLE of both lanes because they " can't see where the lines are". Tourists can figure it out but our long time residents can't. As soon as bad weather hits, everyone drives at the speed of sound with vehicles covered in snow ( including front and rear windows ) to get to wherever they NEED to be immediately. If you're going to be late for work then leave 15 minutes EARLIER! And there is NOTHING at ANY store that makes you possibly injure someone to make sure you get that item.
Common sense seems to freeze in the city brains. Not that people are any smarted in summer either.....
thesharr 1/9/2014 4:41:46 PM Report
Where's the City with the sand?Saving money eh Joe.Ok that's enough, all the bodyshops are full lets get back to sanding and salting,seriously I'm serious.
Take 1/9/2014 4:47:48 PM Report
I was out earlier today around several parts of the city and I encountered alot of streets with sand.
Will be interesting to find out if the City Police IF at fault admit to it.
Pakadeva 1/9/2014 4:51:03 PM Report
Definitely roads should be sanded right behind the plough! The roads are left a pack of ice & driving is very precarious, especially for those who don't know how to slow down!!!
D0BBER 1/9/2014 5:01:40 PM Report
Side impact that that generally means that someone slid into them .. or they were doing donuts in a parking lot !!
I'm In 1/9/2014 5:14:17 PM Report
Common sense you can't teach you either have or don't when it comes to drivers in this city, they are all NASCAR ready (not). The drivers in this city don't know where the road is when it snows, they think it goes away, it would be to hard to picture where the road markings are when it snows after all they think the road markings are art in the summer, just the way I feel about the drivers in SSM.
This city is backwards when it comes to winter road maintenance, it should be first the plow than the sanders and the salt trucks and don't wait for the snow to end, they do this at the airport.
Working Man 1/9/2014 5:33:40 PM Report
I noticed that accident today. It seemed pretty obvious to be the Officers fault.
thomas 1/9/2014 5:47:16 PM Report
Something we all have to face is cut-backs and you'd better realize that it isn't going to get any better in the future.
Take a drive on the highways north and east. They aren't any different with poor road conditions. Before the highways went privatized, you rarely saw the mile hill snow covered with just one lane decently cleared off going up. Now snowpacked and slushy is the norm. I feel sorry for transport drivers trying to make it up when they have a full load.
The roads are icy and narrow, so NUMBER ONE, don't drink and drive, use common sense, slow down and be aware of vehicles around you.
Whatever conditions the Sault streets are, I'd far rather drive on our streets and highways with drivers from the Sault than the super highways and some of the nutcases driving in the GTA and surrounding areas.
RStephens 1/9/2014 5:50:11 PM Report
The highway isn't privatized.
Made me stop reading.
Stugatzu 1/9/2014 6:04:38 PM Report
Actually... yes, the highways are privatized. They aren't maintained by the MTO, they are maintained by an independent contractor -- Transfield Services.
And as far as road conditions -- the SSM Public Works division has shown gross negligence in the maintaining of the roads. They like to employ the knee-jerk reaction method, of addressing issues after it is too late.
Tuesday and Wednesday's road conditions could have been addressed by sanding the major arteries CONSTANTLY, rather than trying to "fix it" by sanding and grading the roads the day after....
The curbside lanes of second line, travelling east and westbound, as well as the curbside lanes of Wallace Terrace/Wellington St. West are absolutely horrible and have been neglected. The curbside lane is virtually non-existent and motorist that _MUST_ use the curbside lanes end up straddling a lane and a half. Who's to blame? The city, for not cutting the lanes back in the evenings.
I love having to wrestle a 85ft long, and 100,000+ lbs. truck... and keep it from jumping a the curb, or darting out into the center lane... simply because the roads aren't kept clean. *no* actually.. its pretty damn nerve racking.
The roads were horrible and slick on Tuesdays... and impossible to get traction on. I had the rare pleasure of following two sanders one behind the other... fully loaded with sand... and not a single grain ever hit the roads.
Thanks SSM PWT...thanks for giving me the opportunity to potentially jeopardize motorists out there, because you're too busy not doing your job.
minoutche 1/9/2014 6:08:49 PM Report
It amazes me how people are such professional
snow plow operators and have it all figured out but can't seem to figure out how to drive to conditions. It's winter people figure it out!
With as many streets and roads we have in Sault Ste Marie I feel the city is doing a adequate job maintaining our winter roads. As for our airport, it has not lost a flight because of runway conditions so far this year and I'm sure they do there best to keep flights landing as safely possible.
camsgrammy 1/9/2014 6:08:50 PM Report
I HAVE MORE SAND IN THE KIDS SANDBOX THEN THEY PUT ALL OVER SSM AND FOR THE SIDE THEY ARE HOPING IT WILL GET TRACKED BY OTHER CARS SOME ONES GOING TO GET HURT I DRIVE FOR A LIVING I SEE ALL KINDS
Dixiepup 1/9/2014 6:13:44 PM Report
Sand, shmand! People in this town drive like there's a fire on their butts. Just because u have 4 wheel drive or winter tires doesn't mean you can drive as fast as if there was no snow. Get a clue and slow down!!
JoyD 1/9/2014 6:15:08 PM Report
I witnessed this accident today and it WAS the officer's fault.
ryeandcoke 1/9/2014 6:20:36 PM Report
Buy winter tires. Finland dosen't sand there road and save millions of dollars doing so. It's not the city's fault we can't drive. So people on here are complete no minds.
engineguy 1/9/2014 6:22:18 PM Report
And after all the extra driving skills the police receive. Accidents do happen.
mr.jack 1/9/2014 6:44:53 PM Report
we know the weather is gonna be bad so stay home.
I'm In 1/9/2014 8:44:17 PM Report
@ryeandcoke, give me one make sure the coke is diet.
zr800 1/9/2014 8:45:57 PM Report
maybe the city spent the snow removal budget on there trip to INDIA......
zr800 1/9/2014 9:48:02 PM Report
ryeandcoke you must live in an apartment or rent.. but most of us pay TAXES to have our roads maintained can" t buy summer and winter tires because my money goes to the CITY for tax $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
HAVE ANOTHER DRINK
frauleinbroomhilda 1/9/2014 11:01:02 PM Report
Some of the accidents have nothing to do with the city and the people who snow plow...it's the ASSES that are texting, driving too fast and not paying attention! Take responsibility for your own actions. Slow down idiots!
straightshooter 1/10/2014 6:59:20 AM Report
while everyone is venting, i might as well...has anyone else noticed all the bonehead drivers who think they can turn left into whatever lane they want on multilane roads??? how many accidents happen a year because these idiot drivers turn left, and come right across into the right lane?
heres a news bulletin sault drivers: you are obligated to turn into the LEFT and CLOSEST lane when you turn left. The entire road is not yours. The right lane is for drivers turning right at a light, or merging from crossroads with merge lanes, such as at intersection of great northern road and mcnabb. and even funnier, is that other drivers in the sault stop and wait rather then make a right turn. i guess this could be viewed as defensive driving, OR is it just more driver ignorance with them beleiving that the car turning left has the entire road to choose from and they have to wait? God what a pain.
Back to the real issue: the solution to poor roads is simple. get crews on it as soon as major snow is over, so it can be managed while snow is soft. and salt and sand AFTER the plows. and have you ever noticed how many fools drive around in summer tires? winter tires and slowing down, along with a better application of common sense will go a long way. and yes to you grammar police out there, i did not not put capitals on my work. end of the world for some of you i know.. nah nah nah nah nah.
Dill 1/10/2014 9:00:16 AM Report
Straightshooter, as far as I am aware, there is a law that if someone has an advanced green and is turning left, the person turning right has to wait. They told us this while I was in drivers ed last year. Also, while yes the person turning left has to turn into the closest lane they are also required to pull into the right lane as soon as possible because the left lane is a passing lane and for emergency vehicles, not a driving lane.
derek 1/10/2014 9:18:31 AM Report
I live north of city and pay 1/10th the tax and my roads are way better. I hit 6 th line where city takes over and you can tell.
We have no dead weight like you city folk at city hall. Our money goes to sand and snow removal while yours goes to city hole...I mean city hall to support everything else.
Also garbage pick up costs me 20 a month..wow. .I'll take cheap tax any time over city taxes.
So I can afford winter tires.
Sam C 1/10/2014 10:06:02 AM Report
zr800... what a crock! You can't expect the roads to be "maintained" to the point that you can drive around in the winter on summer tires. A half decent set of snows are not all that expensive.
straightshooter 1/10/2014 12:15:03 PM Report
point taken dill, thanks for the alternate perspective.
However, advanced green, or not, the obligation of a driver turning left is to turn left into the closest or left lane. If at that time, it is safe to do so, and the lane to the right is unoccupied, as in every other situation where a lane change is made, the driver may make a safe lane change into the right hand lane.
the move into the right lane is NOT cast in stone as a given for the driver turning left.
As far as the emergency vehicle thing goes, you are obligated by law to move to the right and slow down or stop when approached from the rear by an emergency vehicle. you are not obligated to immediately get into the right lane when you make a turn "in case" in emergency vehicle "might" come along. but, as per above, there are requirements when you actually ARE being approached by an emergency vehicle.
in summary, you ARE obligated to turn into the left or closest lane, and, once you make that turn and are driving in the left lane, if you choose to move to the right lane, or make any lane change for that matter, you are obligated by law to make that move in safety, with proper signals etc. conversely, drivers turning to the right, or merging from a merge lane as stated earlier, are obligated to turn into the closest or right lane of any multilane road. in safety, as above.
anyway, moving on now.
zr800 1/10/2014 1:26:59 PM Report
SAM C I have GOOD mud and snow tires but they are NOT ice tires .... in 50 plus years I have not seen our roads this bad .every road in this gifted city is ice covered.maybe our city should go from 12 aldermen to 6 and used that extra money for snow removal. what do you think about that....
Dill 1/10/2014 3:39:59 PM Report
Straight shooter, wasn't arguing with about being in the left lane. I was arguing the point about waiting to make a right hand turn while someone is making a left. I wait because usually it's an advanced green, so by law I am obligated to do so. However, if someone has already started making a left and I'm making a right, I take two extra seconds out of my time to let them complete their turn. So, they can do it safely and have an extra second to get into the right line. Like they are supposed to be in. Because again, the left lane is for passing and emergency vehicles. That's in the handbook. That's put out by Ontario government. That makes the rules.
straightshooter 1/10/2014 7:39:14 PM Report
those are excellent defensive driving tactics, and better safe then sorry.
however, you might want to read the highway traffic act of ontario, search elaws and find it there...section 141 (6)regarding driver obligation when making left turn onto multi lane roads. it is crystal clear that the driver must turn into the left lane - or lane closest to the centre line.
as far as the left lane being for passing and emergency vehicles only, that information can be found in section 147 (1) of the highway traffic act..slow vehicles shall WHERE PRACTICABLE travel in the right lane,with exceptions .. except to pass and make left turns. contrary to what you say about people HAVING to drive in the right lane in case emergency vehicles come along, again, this is clearly not the case. There is no requirement to drive in the right (curb) lane "in case" an emergency vehicle comes along, when none are approaching or following...but there is is a requirement to pull over to the right and stop when you ARE approached from the rear by emergency vehicles with lights activated. you can look this up in section 159 and its various subsections.
Perhaps the lesson here is to read the manual bearing in mind that it is offering driving advice..and to understand when to take that advice for what it is, versus literally.
and to return to my original beef...the onus is on any driver making a left turn onto a multilane road, to turn into the left lane (nearest the centre line)..and enter the right lane ONLY with a safe lane change from that left lane once the turn is completed, and ONLY when it is safe to do so...which does not seem to happen in sault ste marie with any degree of regularity - as many, many drivers, wrongly, make a left turn and automatically go into the right hand lane vs the left lane...which is not only a violation of the law, but dangerous, inconsiderate and utterly disrespectful of drivers turning or intending to legally turn to the right into the right hand lane - as they are obligated to do under that same section mentioned above relating to turns...and thus my original rant.
but thanks for the awesome debate/argument!!
Working Man 1/11/2014 12:09:00 AM Report
I, too, believe it was the officers fault.
I drove by shortly after this accident and I made the obvious assumption that it definitely was the officers fault.
For them to release news regarding this is an embarrassment to themselves... IDIOTS!!!
The Police proved themselves idiotic to everybody to even post this for everybody to see. MORONS!!
To the police force: don't blame others for your own spupidity!!! I hope that lesson is learned.