Say good-bye to Salvation Army Thrift StoreThursday, January 09, 2014 by: SooToday.com Staff
SAULT STE. MARIE
Salvation Army Sault Ste. Marie Thrift Store closing
The Saut Ste Marie Salvation Army has announced the closure of the Thrift Store (78 Elgin St.) effective January 7, 2014.
The difficult decision was made after years of declining sales which made it impossible to keep the operation viable.
“Due to economics, we have had to make the painful decision to cease operations of our Sault Ste. Marie Thrift Store location”, says Major Shellie Kirschman, Corps Officer. “While this is an unfortunate situation for the staff, volunteers and customers of the Thrift Store, The Salvation Army will remain active in the Sault Ste. Marie community.”
The Salvation Army in Sault Ste. Marie will continue to operate its Elgin Street and John Street locations which offers Community and Family Services (including food bank), Emergency Disaster Services as well as a community church.
Our desire is to provide needed, vialble programs in our community, and in that direction we are in the process of opening a wellness centre in the location currently housing the Thrift Store.
Look for further announcements and information regarding this project.
About The Salvation Army
The Salvation Army is an international Christian organization that began its work in Canada in 1882 and has grown to become the largest non-governmental direct provider of social services in the country.
The Salvation Army gives hope and support to vulnerable people today and every day in 400 communities across Canada and more than 120 countries around the world.
The Salvation Army offers practical assistance for children and families, often tending to the basic necessities of life, providing shelter for homeless people and rehabilitation for people who have lost control of their lives to an addiction.
When you give to The Salvation Army, you are investing in the future of marginalized and overlooked people in your community.
fullstringer 1/9/2014 1:10:40 PM Report
A sad day for the Soo! It behooves me that the mega chain outfit called value Village gets so many donations from everyone and the Salvation Army struggles? Do people not realize that V.V. is a rich corporate entity that capitalizes on the free inventory everyone gives to them? They are not out there to help anyone except increase their own profit margin.
Dictionary 1/9/2014 1:12:06 PM Report
I'm not gonna lose sleep about a homophobic agency closing... Charity or not...
Billabong 1/9/2014 1:24:29 PM Report
I agree with you Dictionary. I won't support this group either.
theprotector 1/9/2014 1:25:14 PM Report
MikeQ 1/9/2014 1:26:48 PM Report
Regardless of your views, this is a Christian organization that has the right to stand behind their beliefs... one of which is practicing the true definition of religion, which is caring for the orphans and widows and living with morals. The Salvation Army has been providing for the less fortunate, and helping whenever and wherever they can. I'm saddened to see this close, but happy to know they are continuing their work here and throughout Canada.
Dictionary 1/9/2014 1:26:52 PM Report
in fact, i'll go as far to say i hope this happens to any charity or corporation which discriminates.
Dictionary 1/9/2014 1:29:36 PM Report
Judging someone based on their sexual orientation isn't a right, no matter how hard christians try and portray it as such. hatred is hatred... discrimination is discrimination... put a cross in front of it and it's still bigotry.
And i'd rather spend my money at VV than give it to a religious organization to push their agenda.
Just Curious 1/9/2014 1:29:58 PM Report
Dictionary, your comment doesn't even deserve an answer as you clearly have no idea of what they do...
And fullstringer, Value Village is indeed a money making company but they also employ a lot of people and they pay for the merchandise they receive. Several charitable organizations pick up and deliver to them. I know, I worked part-time for one. And all merchandise unsold gets baled and sent off to third world countries to be given away. My biggest problem with the Sally-Ann location was just that, location. There was no parking and the store was way to small to properly display stuff. St Vincents Place on Albert has a nice little store and lots of parking. You'd be amazed at the number of new cars you see in that parking lot at times...:)
Dictionary 1/9/2014 1:31:56 PM Report
i don't seek an answer or agreement from anyone who agrees with the salvation army's message of discrimination. perhaps the public has just told SA that they don't agree either...
MikeQ 1/9/2014 1:37:36 PM Report
It is a right to have religious beliefs and political views. They have stated that they still will help people regardless of sex or race, but their Biblically-based beliefs are that marriage should be between a man and a woman. It is their right and freedom to have the ability to say that publicly. They are not killing openly gay people or burning crosses on their yards, they are just exercising their right to disagree with legislation. The fact I stated that they do help many, many people worldwide SURVIVE and be SUSTAINED is irrefutable.
firefly42 1/9/2014 1:41:38 PM Report
Value Village DOES support charitable organizations, they may not support to the extent of the Salvation Army (I don't know the particulars of either Thrift Store), but they do support them.
Sad to see the Salvation Army Thrift Store close, but happy to read that they will be opening a wellness centre in its place!
Tag33&1/3rd 1/9/2014 1:44:51 PM Report
Donated clothing, appliances etc... is free. Nothing donated should be resold to people that really need it anyway!
Its different for Value Village as they have to pay operating costs and staff.
For places like Salvation Army staff is supposed to be volunteer no? As for operating costs that should come from proper allocation of all donated $.
muf 1/9/2014 1:48:47 PM Report
I bet you hate Duck Dynasty as well dictionary !
muf 1/9/2014 1:55:22 PM Report
Tag ...... Some of the stuff VV SELLS has been donated as well. Shouldn`t that stuff go into a freebee section ?
Tag33&1/3rd 1/9/2014 2:01:31 PM Report
Duck Dynasty folk have a right to their own opinion. The man never said anything on the show itself. Glad he is back on track.
Mr. Poster 1/9/2014 2:03:34 PM Report
I am glad VV exists...it helps us unload a lot of stuff we no longer need. You can drive right up to the back door and on many occasions we have found friendly staff willing to help us unload .I was not aware of the SA and its homophobic beliefs but if true that is just wrong.
Tag33&1/3rd 1/9/2014 2:07:05 PM Report
Gotta say no there. VV shouldn't have freebie section as its a retail store/chain. No volunteers there working.
Dictionary 1/9/2014 2:10:47 PM Report
i don't hate duck dynasty, or their misguided fans. but i don't stand for hatred regardless of what its cloaked in. also, part of free speech is dealing with the consequences of your opinions. sally ann and other faith based organizations are discovering the consuquences of their opinions and i don't feel for them.
Just Curious 1/9/2014 2:24:55 PM Report
Dictionary, by hating them for what they believe you are also being very discriminatory. When you go to them for help they don't ask you what your orientation or religious beliefs are, they just help. They also put almost every penny they receive back into helping the poor and needy....
Gurpy 1/9/2014 2:29:47 PM Report
I know people who have attempted to donate items that were clean and in good repair only to be turned away by Salvation Army staff. People gave up on wasting their gas and time only to have to drive over to Value Village. Years ago they offered a pick up service for furniture and appliances. That came to a screeching halt. Habitat for Humanity now benefits. They are more than willing to pick up your donation. Not everyone has a half ton truck or the help to move large items.
Dictionary 1/9/2014 2:32:45 PM Report
as previously mentioned, i don't hate them. i just don't respect their message and refuse to let "believers" disrespect friends and family.
i have NO problem with your religion until it leaves your home or your church. once it's in the public spectrum it's subject to public critique.
Gurpy 1/9/2014 2:33:26 PM Report
You`re a bit delusional! I`ve had people come to ME because S.A had turned them away from their food bank!! Boy could I tell a few tales about these fine "Christians"!!!
Dictionary 1/9/2014 2:34:30 PM Report
and ridicule for that matter.
Tag33&1/3rd 1/9/2014 2:35:06 PM Report
Also, I really have my doubts that the SA people would refuse to help someone that is homosexual.
Dictionary 1/9/2014 2:38:26 PM Report
well tag, you've clearly grasped the basics of the internet browser... try typing "salvation army LGBT" into google and it might surprise you!
Dictionary 1/9/2014 2:38:46 PM Report
did i just blow your mind, or what?
Sam C 1/9/2014 2:40:14 PM Report
Not completely sure just what the SA's stand on homosexuality is, but I'm pretty sure they didn't stop any gays from shopping at the thrift store, or deny them access to the food bank.
MikeQ 1/9/2014 2:42:14 PM Report
I have to agree with Dictionary in that I'm also not wanting to argue. I'm not associated with SA at all. I just know lots of people who have received aide and help from SA. I've seen SA volunteers out in the cold during the holidays, just to raise a few bucks to help someone else. Regardless of what one's political views are, religiously-fueled or otherwise, they are an organization that does care about people and their well-being. Furthermore, it is not disrespectful to disagree. You are delusional if you believe that a person has to agree with everything, or said person is full of hate and bigotry. This Christian organization believes they need to love everyone, but they still have the ability to disagree with what legislation does, that is their right and what makes Canada so great, just as another organization has the right to support gay rights and it's legislation. I digress, this article is about the closure of one facility, and the opening of a new one. Best wishes to the SA in their endeavors in helping the community and those within it which could use the help.
Dictionary 1/9/2014 2:52:57 PM Report
Sam C, you're a pretty smart guy, and one of the more level headed on here. The Salvation Army's stance has been well documented, as have instances of discrimination against volunteers and customers alike.
mrmoon 1/9/2014 2:56:30 PM Report
plain and simple...people beliefs are their own choices...for mikeQ your right they are not out killing gays and others that demean their beliefs, but at one time they did, remember your history.
Bottom line is, religion is the basis of most discrimination on this planet and have caused more death and destruction then all the wars combined.
Maybe we should follow in the steps of organized religion. Since alot of religions try to suppress others beliefs and morals maybe we should suppress religion. In that I mean no outward display of any religion what so ever. Maybe that will make everyone happy
Dictionary 1/9/2014 3:01:31 PM Report
that's really not necessary. i'm just asking that they keep their outdated beliefs within their community, and not the rest of ours. christianity will once again be remembered on the wrong side of history, and that is their choice.
Slim Shady 1/9/2014 3:20:05 PM Report
While I have nothing against the LBGT community (However, I don't believe/condone it either, despite having a few friends who are - and that is only my belief. I don't discriminate against them either) facts are:
1. The Christian church doesn't believe in homosexuality... so what? That's their belief - it doesn't have to be yours.
2. The SA doesn't turn away or deny anyone who needs help whether they are LBGT or not, rich or poor, Catholic or Atheist.
3. They have helped and continue to help a lot of people in need. It is a step in the right direction. It helps make the world a better place to live.
On another note regarding VV:
1. It is great that we can re-purpose unwanted items (whether they are sold or not).... It is good for the environment.
2. I feel (IMHO) that prices have gotten ridiculous in VV.... Sometimes it is cheaper to buy new at Walmart.
3. It is run at a profit, not a non-profit agency. They do make some donations to worthy causes however this is now not their focus - it is for the purpose of tax write-off.
Dictionary 1/9/2014 3:26:31 PM Report
i don't care what they believe. only what they try to impose upon others. also, it should be noted (if it's not obvious) that not all christians have their head in the sand. the catholic pope seems like a pretty good dude right? and many christians manage to practice the more virtuous side of christianity...re: aiding the poor and needy, loving they neighbour etc. it's just unfortunate that they need a book of parables they translate literally to guide their moral compass... some of us just choose to be good people....
Dictionary 1/9/2014 3:34:47 PM Report
VV prices are outrageous. On that I'm sure we all agree.
MikeQ 1/9/2014 3:40:11 PM Report
Disagree... on most else, respectfully.
habber 1/9/2014 3:41:08 PM Report
vv prices are getting out of hand. who told you they pay for stuff, they pay nothing ever. you can get a brand new pair of jeans at walmart for 8 bucks. why buy something you have to wash a couple of times before you wear it
havenesegal 1/9/2014 3:49:31 PM Report
went to value village bought a few things washed items went out wearing a blouse and noticed the stain was uncomfortable all night in my 12$ second hand stained shirt :(
GrammaDingbat54 1/9/2014 3:52:34 PM Report
I did go into SA a couple of times but found their items to be rather "junky" IMO. I considered Value Village to be my favourite place to shop but think my shopping days there will be few and far between due to their higher, ridiculous prices. I saw things there that were previously seen at Dollarama, only V.V. charged more!!
dadal 1/9/2014 3:56:37 PM Report
While I appreciate the topic of so called Christianity and LGBT, what we have to remember is even tho Salvation Army has a dark side, it has helped many. I've not heard of them turning people away but again there is a dark side to all. The thrift store many many times has refused donations due to being overstocked. It was in a BAD location with limited parking. Gore street would have been a better place but I'm sure they were not getting that building rent free. But let's look at the OVERALL picture. They are closing due to lack of interest in their stock. It's not as if they were closing for lack of donations. The merchandise will probably go to VV to be sold at a too high price to pay for wages of part time staff. And since it was OPERATING COSTS that caused the closure, I don't see any of our multi property landlords being generous to offer a rent free store front to them on Queen Street.
So doesn't matter to me if they were anti gay or not ( well, it does but...), what matters is that once again the Soo lets yet another long time establishment die in the name of self preserved profit.
And we wonder why the Soo never advances the way Sudbury has.....
abba 1/9/2014 4:51:00 PM Report
Yes, yes, Mr. Dictionary we should all be like you,....." some of us just chose to be good people"
fullstringer 1/9/2014 5:17:15 PM Report
Several months ago I helped a friend move from the transition house in the Soo to a new apt. in Elliot Lake. He had virtually nothing in the way of furnishings and household goods. My wife and I provided what we could. I dropped into the SA and explained the situation and the staff went crazy with help. Sofa, table, blankets, kitchen supplies, etc. All FREE and the offer to help later if required. There was no mention about his religious beliefs. There was no mention of his mental status or his financial status. They gave because that's what they stand for. To help those in need. I wonder what VV would do if I asked them for help on my buddy's behalf?
ron van damne 1/9/2014 6:06:23 PM Report
This story has nothing to do with homosexuality. Why is it all the sodomites have to push their agenda with everything.Time to rid the world of this sinful disease.
Gurpy 1/9/2014 6:16:08 PM Report
ron van danm
Shame on you for that judgemental statement! We are to accept each other as we are. Doesn`t mean you must agree with the choices of others but, we do all share the same planet.
Dixiepup 1/9/2014 6:18:10 PM Report
Ron Van Dam...me thinks thou dost protest too much...
Gurpy 1/9/2014 6:20:34 PM Report
But, then again in this city, someone is always getting picked on!
Tag33&1/3rd 1/9/2014 6:32:57 PM Report
Good example Fullstringer! Elliot Lake is a great community that looks out for eachother! I would like to believe that the SA here and other Communities are as Caring. (mental health tends to get more discrimination then gays)I'm not talking about SA --just society in general.
(Haven't googled yet Dictionary. --will later)
Dictionary 1/9/2014 6:36:27 PM Report
i guess our resident christian NUTBAR has arrived.
Gurpy 1/9/2014 6:55:40 PM Report
Not ALL Christians are like that.
ron van damne 1/9/2014 7:20:04 PM Report
Dictionary needs to watch more duck dynasty. Shame on you for denouncing Christianity.
abba 1/9/2014 8:01:28 PM Report
I suspect " Mr. Dictionary " is the nickname you chose to replace the one others gave you.......... " Mr. Know it All."?? TSK !
kamen 1/9/2014 8:17:02 PM Report
Gonna miss it, but it was too far for me to get too, maybe if they were more centrally located it would be easier on people.
Tag33&1/3rd 1/9/2014 8:18:50 PM Report
@ Abba --
Or Mrs. ?
crashed13 1/10/2014 12:01:24 PM Report
The location and size also sucked. Zero parking, not even coin meter side street parking.
I brought stuff there and they said they had no space to store it so I brought it to Value Village.
I can,t see a business with Zero parking
ever making it.
Outside Observer 1/10/2014 1:01:23 PM Report
ron van damne 1/9/2014 6:06:23 wrote:
"This story has nothing to do with homosexuality. Why is it all the sodomites have to push their agenda with everything.Time to rid the world of this sinful disease."
Jebus. It's comments like this that make me think ridding the world of Christians would be the better approach (although in reality I wouldn't want to rid the world of any group)... but sh** son, it's people like you who give "Christians" a bad name.
cjmags 1/10/2014 5:20:08 PM Report
It's too bad that it's closing .Unfortunately you made a big mistake a year and a half ago. We the public and former customer tried to inform you what was going on there and nothing was done. Too many cooks in the soup spoil it for everyone else there. You really needed to get rid of someone there who was such a trouble maker with the staff, volunteers and yes...the customers. Everyone but who counts seen it. Maybe you remember me by me saying "It takes a special someone to run a place like this" ...You almost had it right.It was really hard to replace Peggy. The lady that replaced her was very nice also. But,... You should have gotten rid of Diane and you would never have been in this position. It's a real shame. Maybe some day you will open again under new management and new staff. But you'd have to really advertise that there is new people there working or you won't ever be successful. You have no idea to what extent of damage she did for this business. Too bad ..So sad
Bad Dawg 1/10/2014 8:51:33 PM Report
The Salvation Army's Commissioner Todd Bassett receives a salary of only $13,000 per year (plus housing) for managing this $2 Billion dollar organization. Which means about $0.93 per dollar earned, is readily available.
Tag33&1/3rd 1/11/2014 1:39:41 AM Report
Some so called Christians I know---are the most judgemental, uncaring people I ever met -- and they working in the helping field!
sallyanngal 1/15/2014 4:01:05 PM Report
The Salvation Army�s Response to Allegations of LGBTQ Discrimination
Posted on September 26, 2013 in Feature, Mobile | 35 Comments
In the last week, we have received calls and emails to our offices, as well as comments on our Facebook page and through Twitter, about The Salvation Army and LGBTQ discrimination.
There are two issues about which most people are generally concerned. These include:
First, a photo-shopped image of two Salvation Army kettle workers below a kettle sign that reads: �Gays Not Allowed.�
Second, comments from a 2012 radio interview in which an Australian Salvation Army officer agreed with the comment that, �gays should be put to death.�
The kettle workers photo is a complete and utter fabrication. It is false witness. And, those volunteers don�t deserve to be icons of hate.
The radio comments, however, are of greater concern. It is important to note that the Army around the world immediately rejected those comments and made public statements against them. We stand by the rejection of those comments still. We sincerely apologize to the LGBTQ community and to our clients, employees, donors and volunteers for the offence caused by this misrepresentation of the Army�s views.
Here are links to a few of the responses from The Salvation Army in Australia, Canada, the United States, the United Kingdom and Ireland. These were all posted publicly in June 2012, and stand today.
For more than 130 years, The Salvation Army has had the privilege of serving vulnerable people in over 400 communities across Canada. Last year, we helped over 1.8 million people. We assisted people from the LGBTQ community and will continue to do so. And we also employ individuals from the LGBTQ community.
We take allegations of discrimination very seriously. If you are aware of a situation where a person has been the target of discrimination, please let us know because this is contrary to our mission.
Our mission is to �share the love of Jesus Christ, meet human needs and be a transforming influence in the communities of our world.� We do this without discrimination. All of our social and community services are equally available. We respond solely based on people�s needs and our capability to serve.