Renewable energy approval granted to Bow Lake Wind FarmTuesday, December 17, 2013 by: SooToday.com Staff
CALGARY - Nodin Kitagan Limited Partnership and Nodin Kitagan 2 Limited Partnership (together “Nodin Kitagan”) today announced that the Ontario Ministry of the Environment has granted a Renewable Energy Approval (“REA”) for the 58.32 megawatt Bow Lake Wind Project (“Bow Lake”).
Nodin Kitagan is a partnership between Batchewana First Nation (“BFN”) and BluEarth Renewables Inc. (“BluEarth”) and represents one of the largest economic partnerships between a First Nation and a wind energy developer in Canada.
Bow Lake is being developed in the district of Algoma, approximately 80 km north of Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario within the traditional territory of BFN.
“The Renewable Energy Approval is the culmination of over six years of public engagement and rigorous environmental and technical studies. We are very pleased to be moving forward towards the construction of the Bow Lake Wind Project,” said Kent Brown, president and CEO of BluEarth.
“The Bow Lake Wind Project is perfectly aligned with our original expectations at Treaty time; those expectations were to benefit from our resources in sustainable ways. The BFN will continue to affirm, and benefit from the Letter of Assertions, which outlines our First Nations’ expected relationship with resource developers. This assertion was the foundation for our relationship with our partner, BluEarth Renewables, and we couldn’t be more pleased with the outcome,” said Batchewana First Nation Chief Dean Sayers.
Once constructed, Bow Lake will generate enough renewable electricity for approximately 15,000 homes.
Nodin Kitagan estimates that Bow Lake will employ approximately 80 people to construct the facility and once constructed, up to seven people will be required to operate the facility.
Beyond job creation during construction, operations and decommissioning, the project will also generate considerable investment in the local economy through procurement of supplies and services.
“This is an example of how Ontario’s commitment to moving the province toward a clean energy future can result in First Nations and the private sector working collaboratively with mutual respect to create new, sustainable and high-quality jobs in Ontario,” Brown went on to say.
About Nodin Kitagan Limited Partnerships
In 2012, Batchewana First Nation and BluEarth formed partnerships to develop of the Bow Lake Wind Project through establishment of Nodin Kitagan Limited Partnership and Nodin Kitagan 2 Limited Partnership.
The Bow Lake Wind Project will be developed by the partnerships by their respective general partners Shongwish Nodin Kitagan GP Corp. and Shongwish Nodin Kitagan 2 GP Corp.
This relationship currently represents one of the largest economic partnerships between a First Nation and a wind energy developer in Canada.
About Batchewana First Nation
A self-supporting, self-reliant, sovereign First Nation where individuals share a strong cultural identity based on a deep understanding of who we are on a clear sense of continuity with our cultural roots.
Where the Reserve communities have truly come together and whose members have a strong sense of self-esteem, respect for each other and who work together for the betterment of all.
About BluEarth Renewables Inc.
Headquartered in Calgary, Canada, BluEarth is a private independent renewable power producer, focused on the acquisition, development, construction and operation of wind, water, and solar projects in North America, with a primary focus in Canada.
With the most experienced renewable energy development team in Canada, BluEarth’s mission is to be the Canadian renewable energy leader by developing, building, and operating a portfolio that optimizes people, planet, and profit.
BluEarth believes it has the power to change the future by demonstrating how to be sustainable and profitable, leaving the world a better place.
For more information, visit bluearth.ca.
Dara 12/17/2013 10:26:16 AM Report
They are finally beautifying the disgusting sight around Montreal River.
They should have put it right in Lake Superior Provincial park instead of on the border
Beej 12/17/2013 10:34:22 AM Report
"Once constructed, Bow Lake will generate enough renewable electricity for approximately 15,000 homes."
15,000 homes where??
Dara 12/17/2013 10:45:12 AM Report
Oakville and Mississauga, where they didn't want a gas plant
Wisenheimer 12/17/2013 11:00:20 AM Report
When the wind blows .. at a higher price than the gas plant.
I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
euroman 12/17/2013 11:08:58 AM Report
I guess the 7 jobs will be to pick up and dispose of the dead bats and birds.
honda1984 12/17/2013 11:35:23 AM Report
wow beej 1500 homes why don't they get the existing ones running and that will more than make up 1500 homes.just goes to show how corrupt our government is.i am thinking that the provincial government looks for ways to get rid of industry with there high priced power.i sure hope the rest of Canada is learning from Ontario.as far as batchawana why to look after mother earth....what a joke
scottstewy123 12/17/2013 12:51:31 PM Report
For those in that area my condolences to the lack of wildlife in your area that will come to be. Those wind farms destroys habitat . We have stupid leaders in our government. I wonder how much money was given to Batchewana First Nation Chief Dean Sayers to have this wind farm approved. Get ready your hunting grounds there will dry up. They have sold there souls. A day will come when demonstations will take place because they will realize wildlife will flee. When you do realize the damaging effect please do not blame the provincial Government. Point you finger at Batchewana First Nation Chief Dean Sayers.
sugar and spice 12/17/2013 12:58:14 PM Report
Public forums and debates mean squat. We can protest and fight against issues like this all we want and it will be for nothing. Why, because the Gov't is gonna do what the gov't wants to do and nothing is going to change that fact. There is no way the Gov't would step in and jeopordize a native business partnership like this . Its all good publicity, (for something we do't need or want)makes them feel all warm and fuzzy. I could see it if the energy from this project was desparetely needed, but we have an overabundance of power as it is without subsidizing cheap power to the U.S. at our expense.
sugar and spice 12/17/2013 1:23:19 PM Report
Public forums and debates mean squat. We can protest and fight against issues like this all we want and it will be for nothing. Why, because the Gov't is gonna do what the gov't wants to do and nothing is going to change that fact. There is no way the Gov't would step in and jeopordize a native business partnership like this . Its all good publicity, (for something we don't need or want)makes them feel all warm and fuzzy. I could see it if the energy from this project was desperately needed, but we have an overabundance of power as it is without subsidizing cheap power to the U.S. at our expense.
truenorth 12/17/2013 2:08:54 PM Report
Is the all mighty dollar worth losing our precious shoreline up North - people that visit call it the Caribbean North and now we are going to plaster windmills on it for what - does the Batchewana Band know the stats on wind power - how efficient it really is - and in the end 7 jobs - wow - does anyone care about the earth's future - the Soo Area keeps making bad decisions might as well live off the 401
learningaswego 12/17/2013 2:23:12 PM Report
Awesome, now we Ontarians can pay for more electrical generation:
- that we don't need
- that costs at least 4X more than our conventional methods
- but that we have to not only give it to the US, but at a fraction of the actual costs to produce.
The Liberals call this our "Green Energy Plan".
Taxpayers, accountants, economists, business people, and anyone else(like a Grade 3 student) with half a brain cell call this
"Outrageous, Stupid, and Extortion".
RonBes 12/17/2013 2:25:03 PM Report
So much ignorance in this comment section today.
Anyone talking about piles of dead birds and bats has obviously not looked at the numbers - or the news. Skyscrapers kill more migratory birds than wind farms. The household cats of those 15 thousand homes will kill more, far more, birds than the turbine blades will. Gas plants will as well:
And for those of you convinced that these things will disrupt hunting and scare off the wildlife have absolutely no clue what they're talking about. I've been up close with these things quite a bit, and I still see plenty of wildlife (and their evidence); rabbits, fox, wolf, deer, moose, avians of every stripe, you name it.
I'm both a science-minded, and environmentally conscious person. If there was any *credible*, reasonable evidence showing that these turbines were more harmful than their alternatives, I would be the first in line to protest. But there isn't, they're not, so I don't.
All the against arguments are subjective claims about their appearance, nebulous threats about tourism reduction, and unquantifiable "health" side-effects which are psychological in nature.
The only argument that holds any water whatsoever is that they're more expensive, and while this is true now (much like with hybrid and electric cars), once the technology matures that won't be an issue, especially since the cost of fossil fuel is only going to rise as it becomes more scarce.
benz1 12/17/2013 2:29:19 PM Report
Excellent comments everyone. It's truly disturbing news on an already sad state of affairs. False hopes are all these wind farms amount to. Start with an energy conservation approach before a short coming energy production attempt like this one. So much for our Great Lakes Heritage Coast. $$$$ talks once again!
mallet 12/17/2013 2:56:42 PM Report
I have to ask where you live? Are you going to be in their line of sight? After all the tourism dollars that the province has spent (taxpayers) lauding our natural beauty, for a few extra megawatts of expensive power at times, can you really sit at your computer and tell us it is worth it. Oh yes did I mention the line loss of sending that power to be where it will be used, I wonder what that is worth. How many of BFN are to be employed in the construction and setting up of these windmills? and are the 7 employees to be BFN people and how much does the BFN hope to garner after the principal is paid??
scottstewy123 12/17/2013 4:34:18 PM Report
This is from a green rag http://www.conserve-energy-future.com/Disadvantages_WindEnergy.php
Ron Bes evidence after evidence at the adverse effects of wind power. The problem I have with this is the fact it is being sold as a technology that is green and good for the environment. But it does more harm to the environment. This is about money. BFN sold their souls on this one. This only will only employ 7 people. Where as the plants that was cancelled would have employed a lot more. We know these energy plants that was canceled cost the Ontario 1 BILLION dollars. All to bring in useless technology that will only drive up the price of energy in this province. The Liberal party of Ontario has created such a mess in Ontario.
Bon Bes your arguments are laughable. Let me see you live beside one of those monstrosities. This is the problem of the tree hugging tofu eating crowd. They have no common sense. The global warming myth has been debunked over and over again. Global warming agenda is about 2 things MONEY and POWER. CARBON TAXES. This the ark of the covenant for the LIBERAL party. Bon Bes you sound like a LIBERAL supporter
Algomasteammaker 12/17/2013 6:36:27 PM Report
Numbers don't lie folks, so let's run them..
Price per Megawatt paid to Wind Farm Companies - $650 per MW
Price per Megawatt paid to Gas Cogen Power Plants - $100 to $150 per MW
Why the higher price for wind, because the companies that own and operate the wind turbines must compensate for off times when the wind isn't blowing.
Also, for every 1 MW of wind power, you need 0.9 MW of traditional Thermal Power in reserve for when the wind turbines shut down.
scottstewy123 12/17/2013 6:55:35 PM Report
Then we should not be using wind power. For once I wish our Ontario Gov. would do whats in the taxpayers benefit. Not the Gov. benefit
Twistinwrenches 12/17/2013 7:52:16 PM Report
All of this green energy and wasted gas plant money has driven up our energy prices . We can thank the Fiberals for that. We are losing thousands of jobs. Last one out turn off the lights.
I'm In 12/17/2013 8:33:23 PM Report
For the governments to listen, the hard working folk of this province and country need to shut it down, but that won't happen until we all stick together, they did it in Europe and it worked. But then there is Wisenheimer he works for the government maybe he can help. With this renewable energy project you won't get a deal on your electricity rates you will pay more.
Lugnuts 12/17/2013 9:32:45 PM Report
Honestly such a shame to absolutely ruin another beautiful piece of Lake Superior.We should all hang our heads in disgrace for such a despicable act . More corrupt dollars for the Liberal friends. It makes me sick.....
guestwho 12/17/2013 9:45:30 PM Report
if it`s a big screw-up,a con you can bet the government is all for it and involved,that`s what they do and well at that,cost more ,screws the public ,all the more involved.god bless our fine politicians and may you continue to screw up as well as you do!!!
shju 12/17/2013 9:46:11 PM Report
the cost associated to build these things will pay off over time. the fuel is free unlike gas/coal/nuclear. the other option is water dams but that destroys water life. the fact is we need more power and this is the least invasive way. more chemicals were made and off gases made to build the computers and cell phones you are on then the wind turbines will ever make.
AverageSchlubb 12/17/2013 10:19:56 PM Report
What a shame this is! They're not free nor green. For one thing they make our gravel pits bigger in order to pour the tons of cement needed to support each of these 50-some storey-tall structures. They get manufactured somewhere else in factories and need to be trucked across the countryside. Not sounding green at all! It would be different if we actually needed them. But the saddest thing is the location--right dab on the Lake Superior coastline in one of the most spectacular regions of Canada. Unbelievably stupid shameful greediness is what comes to mind. That BluEarth company sure played it smart when it comes to getting project approval- use tax money to partner with a First Nation and the project's a shoe-in. We all know they're not in this to save the planet. They're in the $$$-making business and they don't care what gets destroyed along the way. That gorgeous area deserves better and I can't believe we're gonna let this happen. Unbelievable!!!
BJA 12/17/2013 10:27:33 PM Report
Liberal-Conservative wfc? For anyone who thinks lawyers can run countries with open, honest minds, think again. For the few who could, they are arm-barred. Most of you folks only care about your wallet and your possessions. Wind will be a part of the future if we are to not fully destroy this still beautiful country, if we want the luxury of power. Yes expensive, but the big picture is what down the road? Anyone that throws the wildlife thing, doesn't know a damn thing about wildlife. You read some junk study probably done in a very short window. Turn off your lights, quit buying cheap oil based everything from china, go visit a coal mine town, or the clean oil fields of Alberta- downstream of course, walk somewhere. Learn something for yourself, not regurgitation of other peoples garbage. If we look at ourselves, really look at wants and needs. Don't be ignorant cause that coal mine isn't in your back yard. Which would you rather? I am embarrased to be a human at this point. Maybe get on the dump issue located in our groundwater recharge area for all the SSMarie wells. Watch what you throw out, cause you'll be drinking it soon enough! Think of the human race as a whole and not just yourselves!
sinikka 12/17/2013 11:22:46 PM Report
To Ron Bees
very well said. Alot of the complainers are those that have cottage properties in the area. The same ones who have enjoyed exuberant values while paying very low property taxes for years. They only care when you affect their backyards otherwise they have no opinion. This is a good venture for the Batchewana Band but the usual anti government anti everything posters here are sure to offer their uneducated opinions.
RonBes 12/17/2013 11:38:37 PM Report
@scottstewy "Ron Bes evidence after evidence at the adverse effects of wind power. "
Evidence like the stuff in your links?
The first is devoid of any real information, glossing over studies that have been done. Studies that I have been involved with. Studies that show minimal impact to wildlife.
The second is so obviously biased that it's hardly what I'd consider credible.
The third largely addresses noise concerns, which is pretty subjective as to whether or not it's bothersome, and like I said, psychological.
"But it does more harm to the environment. This is about money. BFN sold their souls on this one. This only will only employ 7 people. Where as the plants that was cancelled would have employed a lot more. We know these energy plants that was canceled cost the Ontario 1 BILLION dollars. All to bring in useless technology that will only drive up the price of energy in this province. The Liberal party of Ontario has created such a mess in Ontario."
The gas plant fiasco is another matter entirely. Sounds like you have a political axe to grind.
"Bon Bes your arguments are laughable."
Less so than yours.
" Let me see you live beside one of those monstrosities."
I gladly would. I'd have one in my backyard if it would fit. In fact, I tried to buy a quarter section in Pennefather twp adjacent to the Prince facility just last year... next!?
" This is the problem of the tree hugging tofu eating crowd. They have no common sense. "
Ah, ad hominem. Crutch of the logic-averse. I was wondering when you were going to get to that. For what it's worth, I'm not a tree-hugger as you would define it, and I don't care much for tofu. Nice cheap shot though.
"The global warming myth has been debunked over and over again. Global warming agenda is about 2 things MONEY and POWER. CARBON TAXES. "
Ah, so now comes the neo-con conspiracy theory part. Debunked according to whom? Certainly not the vast majority of the scientific community. Mostly schills for big oil and a few wingnuts with little credibility.
"This the ark of the covenant for the LIBERAL party. Bon Bes you sound like a LIBERAL supporter"
Do I? I'll have to do something about that. I don't like the liberal party all that much. They're better than the reformicons, but not by much.
Too much! 12/18/2013 12:24:09 AM Report
Ron bes and sinnikka:
Haha!! I love it!! Every time that this subject comes up, your opinions are squashed and way outnumbered!!! I don't even have to weigh in on the subject!! The very sensible and loyal Canadians that have expressed their opinions before me have done a great job at presenting the arguments against these monstrosities! BFN have definitely sold out! Shame on them!! So sad really!! Their own land and resources sold out for foreigners! We don't need that little bit of power generation for our needs, therefore we sacrifice the pristine coastline of the unique Lake Superior, so aptly named, to generate power for some measly 15000 foreign homes. And here's the kicker: all of our power bills continue to rise to pay for these foreign interests! Time for us to wake up, wise up and speak up!!!
RonBes 12/18/2013 2:39:08 AM Report
@ Too Much
Last time I checked, being outnumbered didn't make me wrong, only unpopular. I can deal with that.
Apparently you're happy with your groupthink mentality though. Keep on NIMBYing.
scottstewy123 12/18/2013 6:45:55 AM Report
Those that are for these wind farms do not obviously pay taxes. They probably do not pay electric bills. Probably live in mom and dads basement freeloading off them . To those that do not pay taxes and pay utility bills. Please sit at the kids table. They dream of a utopia were everyone is hugging a tree and singing CUMBIYA. Ron Bes do you pay utility bills? Ron Bes do you pay property taxes? My guess these people do not. Well I do.
Boomer4771 12/18/2013 6:52:22 AM Report
Sold out by the Government and first nations. First Nations are suppose to be people of the earth. You are showing your true self. People of the green...MONEY.... shame on you.
sinikka 12/18/2013 7:00:16 AM Report
TOO MUCH you spew without thinking. Since the project is approved by the MOE it is my opinion that carries more weight than the NIMBY sentiment that is shared on this thread by you and others. Furthermore this is reserve land and has absolutely nothing to do with your opinion. I am glad that the government does not base their decisions on backward negative sentiment that is constantly displayed in the comment section of soo today.
scottstewy123 12/18/2013 7:09:12 AM Report
The global warming has been disproven. A top university in Britian was hack a few short years ago . The scientists that came out with this nonsense emails were hacked. Within the emails were damaging info. How these scientists fudged the numbers. Also an interesting story in the National Geographic Magazine. A strange phenomenon was happening on Mars. GLOBAL warming. So little man do not do not call me a NEO con because I do not drink the kool aide of the left wing nut jobs that want to redistribute the wealth of North America, by the way of CAP and TRADE. Global warming is about money and power. And before you begin to judge me as some rich capitalist. I am a minimum wage earner. But I have common sense. When you spike prices of energy and wages jobs will leave. We are seeing the kill off of jobs in this province. Ontario is fast becoming the province of the have not. We seen a huge company leave the ring of fire for 1 huge reason THE COST of energy. HUNDREDS of potential jobs were lost in the north. We are even seeing many call centers leave because of costs of maintaining heat and hydro. Kellogs in London Ontario shutting down. Numuras lumber mills in the North shut down. Hundreds of jobs lost. And to replace those jobs 7 jobs to maintain them. WOW that awesome. To a family that's lost a job there first thought is sure not on green energy. Its about how to pay the bills. This is the problem with the tofu eaters. They have no clue of how the real world is. The only solution is cut the Government subsidies to these green energy companies and send them packing to California from whence they came from. Tear down those monstrocities and cut the price of electricy. Give HUGE tax breaks to companies that will create PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS. Hence less will be depeand on government and be self suffiecient.
scottstewy123 12/18/2013 7:12:03 AM Report
And if that makes me a NEO CON........I wear the title proudly
scottstewy123 12/18/2013 7:21:20 AM Report
Read the last story Global warming what a joke that has been upon us.
blackhawk 1 12/18/2013 8:50:03 AM Report
Ron Bes, correct me if I'm wrong, all the power that we generate in just our own back yard, be it 3 power dams on the Mississauga River, Montreal River & the windmills out at Gros Cap,why does it not transmit thru the power lines to the South & come back to us at a higher price?
sinikka 12/18/2013 9:19:43 AM Report
scottstewy you didn't have to announce that you are minimum wage earner. Your ignorance is pronounced in your posts.
RonBes 12/18/2013 4:15:35 PM Report
Yes, I do pay my hydro bills.
Yes, I do pay property taxes.
My bills might be higher than yours, they might be lower. I don't know.
I also don't think you are some rich capitalist. I associate neocons with both fat cats and susceptible low-income folks who fall for the populist rhetoric that the reformacons spew (but fail to back up with any action, or back up with actions that actually harm folks like you and I).
Here's what I *do* know; fossil fuel may be cheap now, but as scarcity increases, so will the price. Wind & solar may be expensive now, but as the technology continues to mature and be deployed in greater amounts, it will become cheaper.
Here's another thing that I know: I'd rather pay a higher financial cost now to leave this world a cleaner, better place for future generations, including my own child.
To lay the layoffs and closures at the feet of rising energy costs (most of which is due to ridiculous compensation of their management - OPG has been in the news for this recently; look it up), is to very much oversimplify the problem. It is a part, perhaps, but not even close to the whole. If we are to keep jobs here, we must stem the flow of them to places like China and India, and stop the plague that is hiring temporary foreign workers in place of qualified and deserving Canadians. That process starts with the government (the federal cons, specifically, have done more to accelerate this than slow it; again in the news; look it up).
You are correct in that it is all about money, but you're only seeing half the picture, and that half is also influenced by Big Money, in this case Big Oil. Do you not think that they have a lot at stake here? As the world transitions to cleaner sources of power, demand for their product decreases, which will affect their bottom line.
Our governments may be corrupt and in bed with companies that supply green energy, but do not be so naive as to think that the same is not true of our governments and Big Oil. They spend millions, perhaps Billions on PR, spin, bogus "studies" to sway public and government opinion. Have they bought yours?
Cormorant 12/18/2013 9:17:13 PM Report
The inevitability of this government decision means that this highland region along the Lake Superior coast ought to be photographed for posterity before the turbines are constructed. All we can do at this point is to keep a digitized record for whomever in the future would like to see what those of the Group of Seven saw in the early 20th century. I would hope that local and provincial landscape photographers would perform this service for all those who love this coastline.
honda1984 12/19/2013 12:41:12 AM Report
well ronbes can you tell me why the people that send power on our lines have been told to stop using cheap hydro and start using all the expensive wind and solar power hydro from our power dams is being shut off to get or drastically reduced to allow expensive solar and wind power to be used.is this not wrong
RonBes 12/19/2013 12:52:48 AM Report
I'm not a party to any insider information here, but the infrastructure in the hydro facilities you're referring it is pretty old. The Montreal River dams were built a loooooong time ago; they may be nearing the end of their usable lifespan, or approaching an overhaul interval.
That, and there's more to using hydro than flipping a switch. Water tables need to be taken into account. You can't just let the dam go full tilt all the time or you'll run out of water to put through it. Have you noticed how low the water levels have been these past few years? I have. It's an issue.
I'm all about the hydro power myself, but even so, installing new capacity is not without its environmental hazards. Creating a dam involves making a reservoir which will flood a massive amount of land. That habitat loss is permanent, and far more impactful than what the wind farms do. It also affects the flow of literally everything downstream from it as well.
Not everything is as cut and dry as many people would like to believe. We have built a very complicated system without fully understanding the impact that it has. As we gain a greater understanding of it, our approach to things must change.
DoubleHs 12/19/2013 7:44:02 AM Report
Has any one checked the agenda of Algoma/Manitoulin MPP Mantha for this week?
Might be of interest to some where he is today and where he won't be (Soo North between Heyden and Montreal River),Way to go, cater to the folks who get the NDP elected and stay away any areas where there might be opposition to the Bow Lake Project.
Another troubling point never answered is if BFN surrendered all the lands to the Crown Agent R.G. Pennefather with the exception of those areas designated as Reserve at that historical meeting at Gros Cap in the 1870's when and how did they magically get it back from the tax payers of Ontario?
trj 12/19/2013 9:24:51 AM Report
BFN claims ALL Crown Land??? Our spline-less Governments allow it and the ignorance will continue.
Want to add the following from the Edmonton Sun :�Ontario is reeling. The �Ontario Green Energy Program,� introduced four years ago by then-Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty�s Liberal government, has proved to be an utter disaster. A public inquiry has brought to light the sheer size of this white elephant.
The consequence of going all-out green will cost the average Ontario family an extra $636 a year by 2018 , a 42% jump in electricity bills over the next five years. Independent analysts are pegging the additional costs at $16 billion today, $23 billion by 2016. This in a province that is already $273 billion in debt! �Trying to save the future has created an economic disaster in the here and now, for our children and our grandchildren,� summed up one commentator.
Ontario industry is paying more for power than almost any other jurisdiction in North America. Any wonder manufacturing and food processing companies are leaving Ontario? Any wonder it�s so tough to find a job in Ontario? � This is common knowlege. ARE WE ALL THAT STUPID HERE IN ONTARIO??? Guess we are!
Bendilin 12/19/2013 10:47:54 AM Report
I don't understand why we don't just use solar panels on everyone's roofs?
honda1984 12/19/2013 10:51:22 AM Report
well again ron bes is talking through his hat for not knowing about the montreal river dam he sure has a miss informed coment.the dam is a perfect working dam the water is at the top of it which hasn't happened much since the big scare when they emptied rocky island lake.even if it was in need of an overhaul I am sure the cost would be much lower than the windmill farms would be.the only ones that seem to want the winmills are the die hard liberal supporters.even the other parts of Canada say that our green energy program is a joke and a waste of Ontario taxpayers money.pretty soon we will be Ontario now industry will be saying lets follow the Heinz company move to the states and get discount power from Canada and let the people of Ontario pay for the difference and guess what the nimby should be applied to the muskokas and other places where they could be built and needed.just think of the savings in line loss and new hydro line construction
sinikka 12/19/2013 2:59:54 PM Report
Trj why distort the facts. If energy costs are over $600 a year higher by 2018 it will not be due to the green energy initiative.. For example do you not think that fuel itself will not be $600 higher annually by 2018. Five years from now everything will be more expensive , do not put the blame on the green initiative. Phone charges will be more, property taxes will be more, cable will be more. Fact of life not necessarily green life. This is native land and sorry to tell you but you people that comment have no right to question what first nations do with their land period.
DoubleHs 12/20/2013 7:45:40 AM Report
To Mr Mantha how did your tea and bannock meeting go yesterday with Dean and Lyle. Sure there were rounds of high fives for you from each as you have lurked in the shadows avoiding any situations that would go against your parties Liberal propping agenda.
To "Where's Waldo" (Davie O),are you not the Minister of Natural Resources which would be for all of Ontario, where is your ministry on this issue? Oh right you are a puppet of the Premiere and all you can see is a safe announcement from anything other than Natural Resources that will provide another loved photo opp.Outdoors people wonder if in fact you do have a Outdoors Card, Fishing and Hunting License or do you not bother sending the cheque off to Tennessee for renewal.
To Mr Green Jeans Steve Butland, how much electricity has been bounced down the "Grid" to the GTA in the recent past from your beloved Solar Farms on Black Dirt Road and Base Line, very little I would think because they have been covered in snow for at least two weeks. There must be some more prime agricultural land in the Sault that the aluminum and glass industry can supply hardware for because we certainly don't want Metro winning another Buy Local Award when there is nothing to buy.
Oh well off to work I go, next hydro bill has to be paid shortly so cut back on the Christmas gifts so the power stays on.