Crime Stoppers video warns of grow operationsThursday, October 10, 2013 by: SooToday.com Staff
The Sault Ste. Marie Police Service and Crime Stoppers are seeking the public’s assistance to keep drugs off of our streets.
Be aware that plantations can vary in size and are usually found in an obscure area – somewhere that won’t attract attention. The marijuana plants may also be blended with other “cover” crops in an attempt to prevent detection.
Cultivation and possession of marijuana is a criminal offence. If you have any information on this or any other crime, please call Crime Stoppers at (705) 942-7867 or 1-800-222-8477. You can also submit a tip on line at www.saultcrimestoppers.com.
Remember we don’t need your name, you will remain anonymous, we don’t have call display, you don’t have to appear in court, and you could be eligible for a cash reward of up to $2000.
Crime Stoppers, it’s your program and it works.
Snowdon 10/10/2013 12:48:28 PM Report
What an incredible waste of resources and time.
Dictionary 10/10/2013 12:54:37 PM Report
Losing the war on drugs... Since 1923!
bounder 10/10/2013 12:59:51 PM Report
Cultivation and possession are NOT CRIMES.
bob_1983 10/10/2013 1:23:38 PM Report
HAHAHAHA...that is all
OICU812 10/10/2013 1:25:01 PM Report
Crops are already down and drying .
the machine 10/10/2013 1:49:24 PM Report
Snowdon 10/10/2013 12:48:28 PMReport
What an incredible waste of resources and time.
I guess this is what you mean by "ignorant, misinformed comments" snowdon?
Haha too funny
the machine 10/10/2013 1:57:42 PM Report
Statements made by snowdon are gospel and all others are misinformed or ignorant.
Snowdon is either the 'comment' police or the 'comment' troll.
Go to "nicholas caught in the act" headline and look at comments to see what i'm talkin about.
thera 10/10/2013 2:33:39 PM Report
@ the machine:
What is wrong with that comment? I agree with that person 100%, the police shouldn't be focusing on crimes that have no victims.
There are way too many break-ins and robberies in this town. Does the Mac's on Gore street ring any bells? I guess the cops feel the guy getting a buzz is way more harmful to society than the guy carrying weapons and threatening violence against workers for money.
MaximusPrime 10/10/2013 2:34:05 PM Report
I am highly skeptical that this would “help keep drugs off our streets”. There has been no shortage of “drugs” throughout the perpetual drug war. In fact, despite best efforts by law enforcement, prices are stable or dropping, supply/demand are strong, and purity is increasing. These are failed policies and it is past time our governments recognize what economists, criminologists and ever increasing proportion of the population have been saying for years. The drug war is ineffective and even counterproductive!
Kevin5069 10/10/2013 2:42:17 PM Report
Should read 'Help organized crime and gangs keep profits, and help police departments keep toy budgets'.
Snowdon 10/10/2013 3:30:31 PM Report
"the machine" is mad. That's okay kids, let him be.
the machine 10/10/2013 4:19:11 PM Report
Lol... IM ANGRY NOW!!!
B Boy 10/10/2013 4:22:34 PM Report
Sort of off-topic but somewhat related.
Often the police use minor drug infractions as a means to obtain a search warrant where other worse crimes are being committed or to investigate further.
The drug charge is the first (and often easiest) charge to be laid because the drugs are obvious.
I.e. They have an idea but no proof of illegal firearms, stolen property, but justices & JOP's are more inclined to grant a warrant for drugs the police have witnessed being purchased over a report of someone who may have illegal items in their residence.
Just another perspective, not advocating, defending, etc.
bounder 10/10/2013 4:47:27 PM Report
OICU81B4me, new one for ya.
Intelligent Response 10/10/2013 5:08:42 PM Report
@thera....there is no such as a victimless crime when it comes to illegal drugs. Therein lies the problem. When something is illegal, people will break the law to get money to buy it. That's why we read about the same people on here every day. They are addicted to coke, oxy, perks, etc. and need to steal to feed their addiction. So yes, illegal drugs are a problem. Now, if our government were to legalize and sell mary jane at a much lower cost, subsequent crime would drop. Alcohol used to be illegal in the USA and look what that led to. Al Capone, Myer Lanski, Nucky Thompson, etc. When alcohol became legal again, what did they do? They moved on to coke. It's a shame that the criminals are more intelligent than the government.
thera 10/10/2013 8:04:13 PM Report
@ Intelligent Response:
I agree with you about the drugs you mentioned: coke, oxy, perks. I don't really know what that has to do with weed though.
I never mentioned those drugs in my post. If you are trying to say that weed is a "gateway drug," however, you are way off:
Weed is a very beneficial plant and all it's prejudices stem from some sense of antiquated morality.
thera 10/10/2013 8:12:30 PM Report
Since you missed my point though, I was saying that the police can't be everywhere at once and preventing all crime. Their resources should be geared toward violent crime and robberies/break-ins. It's one thing to destroy one's own life through their own personal choice (i.e. drugs), and it's quite another to destroy someone else's life (stealing, assault, robbery, arson, etc.). One is much worse than the other, can you tell the difference?
The_claw 10/11/2013 12:43:50 AM Report
pretty much sums up the situation, the government makes foolish laws and the contributions from the drug companies never stop.
freedom1 10/11/2013 8:47:18 AM Report
Crime Stoppers, getting citizens to turn on other citizens is a police state. For a heinous crime ok use Crime Stoppers, but for less serious stuff like someone growing a plant in their backyard or j-walking should not be allowed.
How do you know crime is committed to support drug habit? Maby crime is committed to support the cost of gas to go into car.
Drugs are a health issue not a criminal issue!!
B Boy 10/11/2013 8:48:47 AM Report
Didn't have time to read them all, but out of the first 10 articles none claim cannabinoids cure cancer:
Study #1: Says cannabinoids slow tumorous growth
#3: Reduces neural death in rats when injected with ouabain typically used to treat heart failure
#4: Slows tumour growth
#5: When used with temozolomide, THC prevents further cell death from the temozolomide use
#6: Slows tumour growth
#7: Slows the spreading of tumours
#8: Slows cellular respiration of tumourous cells
#9: Slows tumours cell growth
#10: Slows cellular respiration of tumourous cells
To paraphrase, the extracts of the first 10 articles show that cannibinoids can help slow the growth of tumourous cells in some subjects while the conventional medicines fight the cancerous cells.
I'm not against the legalisation of pot for people to use in the privacy of their own homes or continuing medicinal marijuana but I still have not yet seen one conclusive study where cannabinoids actually DESTROY cancer. Every single one I've read to date says that when combined with conventional medicine it can help make conventional medicines more effective.
B Boy 10/11/2013 9:05:42 AM Report
Again, I don't really care one way or another about legalization. But these lofty promises I've seen & heard of legalization curing cancer, reducing crime or improving the economy seem a stretch although I do hope to see it.
The National Cancer Institute has found some benefits to use during cancer treatment, but has confirmed that there have been NO human studies using cannabinoids to date but they are beginning. The cannabinoids used have been a highly refined nearly synthetic version direction injected into rats in many cases. In fact they've found that in cannabis smokers, long term use of it is linked (causality is being established) to harmful effects on the endocrine and reproductive systems and there have been higher rates of testicular germ cell tumors.
Cancer Research UK has also agreed that their reviews indicate that smoking pot does not cure cancer and does not control cancer but it helps with side effects of treatments. Refined non-psychoactive cannabinoids have again been injected directly into tumour sites in test subjects.
MaximusPrime 10/11/2013 9:21:31 AM Report
You will not find many impartial American studies on the subject because the DEA must consent to any study which will use cannabis. Generally, they do not give their consent unless they believe the study is aimed at supporting their own ideology.
After at least 2,000 years of human consumption and not a single recorded human fatality, I do not need a scientific study to tell me it is a relatively benign substance. It is relatively benign even when compared to products which we use on a daily basis like Tylenol, or other pharmaceutical drugs which are responsible for many deaths.
Intuition also tells me that the effects of an arrest and resulting criminal record are far more harmful to the individual, their family and society as a whole than the use/production of cannabis would ever be.
B Boy 10/11/2013 9:32:37 AM Report
Maximus true - but the same argument can me made of the pot advocates.
Additionally the bulk of what I was quoting was from the UK, not the US.
Like I said, I'm not against legalization. What I'm against is group misconstruing data, results, articles, etc. to push their agenda.
Just admit that there have not been the conclusive studies to back up these claims. If it really does have these curing properties then time will tell.
I don't buy the crime angle either - people are still going to break-in, steal, etc. to fund their pot habits. How will legalizing drive costs down? I think more people will indulge meaning the demand will increase and possibly drive the pot prices higher.
The advocates and opponents need to be careful of their claims and promises because I'm not buying either side's arguments.
MaximusPrime 10/11/2013 9:56:47 AM Report
I understand that you want to give a different perspective however I believe after nearly 100 years of propaganda from the prohibitionists it is understandable that the “push back” against prohibition is become stronger and more aggressive.
I am not qualified or educated enough regarding this particular subject to know whether there are conclusive studies relating to it curing some types of cancer. I do know that it has been used for 100’s of years for main ailments. Unlike tobacco smoke which is a vasoconstrictor (constricts the veins), smoked cannabis is a vasodilator (dilates the veins). For this reason, I know it is commonly used to treat glaucoma, has historically been used to treat asthma (despite the fact that the smoke may also irritate the lungs). I also know that many cancer patients, MS patients, people prone to seizures and people suffering from various types of pain swear by it. Who am I (or the government) to deny the sick and dying their drug of choice?
As so far as crime goes, it is not simply a matter of pricing; it is a matter of who is making the money from its sale. Regulated sales mean that legitimate businesses/gov’t can make the money rather than organized crime. Legalization has not resulted in increased use in other parts of the world. Holland which has pseudo legalization, has significant lower use rates particularly among their youth when compared to North America. Also, it was legal here for one summer a couple of years ago after a judge ruled the laws unconstitutional. I do not remember that summer being any different from any other summer.
At the end of the day, I am not trying to say marijuana or anything else is a miracle and everyone should partake. But I am saying that prohibition is a proven disaster with far reaching negative consequences throughout our society. It is past time that our governments regulate the use of all drugs rather than use our police forces to eradicate/ban their use. Anyone who cannot admit that prohibition has not resulted in its stated goals is either lying or uninformed.
B Boy 10/11/2013 10:15:02 AM Report
One summer is a long, long way from establishing a trend.
There's a big difference between fervently standing behind an idea and misinterpreting or spreading inaccurate claims.
If you recall mercury was used as a medical treatment for a few hundred years. Using cannabis for asthma has been a hot topic. The famous Tashkin study showed that smoking pot stopped the asthma attack however the study has been reproduced with completely different results.
For every pro study there's a con study which refutes those findings. For every con study there's a pro study that refutes the findings. We could fill pages and days offering studies and counter-studies.
Again I'm not saying this mitigates legalization but people have got to stop spouting these studies without reading them or understanding what they mean. I'm not a doctor, but in university as a psychology major (HBSc) I took psychopharmacology courses so I have an above average understanding of what these extracts are saying.
MaximusPrime 10/11/2013 10:23:07 AM Report
I agree that the effectiveness of many drugs is inconclusive. This does not only apply to marijuana. It applies to many, many cancer “treatments”, psychiatry drugs….. Also, there are many diagnoses/diseases which are debatable. There are many within the scientific/medical community who would argue that some science is fabricated to establish efficacy and thus result in huge profits for pharmaceutical companies and the medical profession as a whole. Big pharma does not know what to do with cannabis, since it grows like a weed in your back yard…… there’s likely no money in it for them.
crashed13 10/11/2013 10:23:43 AM Report
They make weed sound bad like crack or heroin.
Go bust a meth lab.
B Boy 10/11/2013 10:27:58 AM Report
Maximus - actually there's potentially huge money in it for then. All of the cannabinoids that have been used in rat studies have been highly refined nearly synthesized cannabinoids that are injected. The companies that can produce and patent the most effective cannabinoid stand to make some good money. Many of the wonder drugs (i.e. biologicals) started off as plants. They are very expensive and there's huge profit in them.
MaximusPrime 10/11/2013 10:40:58 AM Report
As so far as injecting certain cannabinoids directly in/around cancer cells, I agree there might be some money to be made by big Pharma. However for many seeking relief from the effects of glaucoma, nausea, seizures, they prefer to smoke it in its natural form. For those who can’t stop vomiting or have difficulty swallowing, it is no wonder that inhaling is the preferred delivery form. And for these people, there is no need to purchase from big Pharma. Thus the difficulty in getting the massive profits big Pharma is interested in.
MaximusPrime 10/11/2013 10:43:16 AM Report
P.S. Please don’t misconstrue my arguments as being simply argumentative. I enjoy a good (respectful) debate.
B Boy 10/11/2013 10:56:29 AM Report
I think this may the first in a while.
You have some cogent points. When it comes down to discussion on the topic on sootoday most often there are claims and then just random links being posted without thorough understanding.
I maintain there are benefits to cannabis and there are drawbacks. It's clear that further in-depth studies are required. The problem with most studies that people are reading is that p value isn't significant and the statistical methodology is skewed which is easily done.
I did a review study in my third year on delta-9 tetrahydrocannibinol dependency. My findings were totally inconclusive. I could have easily massaged the stats calculations to make it go one direction or the other. Anyone who has studied stats in university can tell you that it's more or less crap. LOL
MaximusPrime 10/11/2013 11:18:49 AM Report
You’ve made several valid points too.
I agree that statistics are easily manipulated. However in the hands of a well-trained, unbiased statistician, they are indispensable. I too took many statistics classes in university. But it would require many more classes before I could claim to have any degree of comfort in applying them in real world…. at least when it comes to complex statistical analysis.
The study of statistics can be credited with many breakthroughs in medicine, marketing, forecasting……. If it were a junk science, the biggest marketing firms, insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies and other profit driven organizations would not rely so heavily on them.
B Boy 10/11/2013 11:30:24 AM Report
Oh I'm not saying it's junk science however those firms you mentioned pick & choose the results they want to establish/publish.
There are thousands of studies with no discernible or significant results but they don't want us to see those.
Would the Sault Star publish that 70% of people ignore print media ads? Nope.
Too many cannabis advocates get hostile and attack people who question them which is part of the reason the discussion becomes so polarized.
MaximusPrime 10/11/2013 11:36:26 AM Report
Agreed. But these same cannabis advocates have been persecuted for many years. So, it is understandable when they become impatient and pushy. If you look at the statistics (which I realize you do not always trust), you will see that prohibition laws have been used to attack the most vulnerable within our society. As an example, white men are known to use illegal drugs as much as any other demographic, yet it is blacks and other minorities who are predominantly arrested and imprisoned. There are many reasons why this has become such a polarizing topic. I've only mentioned a couple of examples.