This is your downtown: Susan MyersMonday, October 07, 2013 by: Darren Taylor
“This is your downtown.”
That message came from Ward Two City Councillor Susan Myers to the people of Sault Ste. Marie during Monday’s City Council meeting, encouraging citizens and business owners to get involved in public input meetings to be held regarding ongoing redevelopment of the community’s downtown core.
Stating that “other cities have lost their downtowns,” Myers offered words of support to the Downtown Association as Council unanimously accepted a recommendation, in a detailed report compiled by the Engineering and Planning Department, to hold public input sessions and proceed with stage one applications to the federal and provincial governments for further downtown redevelopment funding.
The report is a Phase II Downtown Community Improvement Plan (DCIP).
Efforts to revitalize Sault Ste. Marie’s downtown have been in progress for several years, with a reasonable measure of success.
The presence of big box retail stores and the relocation of Sault Area Hospital to the city’s north end have hurt the downtown, not only in terms of empty office and store spaces and the resulting loss of tax revenue, but also a feeling within the community that the downtown area has become an unsafe, deserted area.
In April 2007, Council approved $285,000 for a Phase I DCIP to attract private sector investment, which led to an additional $570,000 from the provincial Ministry of Agriculture, Food and Rural Affairs and a $500,000 FedNor contribution from the federal government, for a total of $1,355,000 in downtown redevelopment funding.
Five years on, by 2012 the Phase I DCIP had concluded, and through methods such as Private Sector Assistance Programs, was “tremendously successful” (according to the City staff report) in attracting approximately $12 million in private sector investment to the downtown area.
Through grants and tax rebates, the 2007 DCIP saw progress made regarding store front facade improvements and refurbishments of upper floors into office spaces.
Over 100 such rebates were given to 68 businesses and property owners in the area.
City Planning Director Don McConnell, speaking to Council Monday, pointed to Scoops Café at the corner of Queen Street and Dennis Street, and Muio’s Restaurant at the corner of Queen Street and East Street, as good examples of improved façade work.
Four developments were approved under the Municipal Tax Increment Rebate program, two of which were a condominium building at 719 Bay Street and an apartment building at 723 Bay Street.
Other priorities have been achieved, such as the tidying up of laneways between Queen Street and King Street, Queen and March and the Paul Mall.
Based on these successes, the City’s Engineering and Planning Department presented its Phase II DCIP report to Council Monday.
Phase II seeks to keep rebuilding the downtown not only as a place of business by encouraging major new developments and re-use of vacant office space, but also to develop residential space in the area.
The addition of more residents to the area, the Phase II report states, will help to maintain businesses and grow new commercial activity in the downtown core.
City staff will be working with the Downtown Association and the Sault Ste. Marie Economic Development Corporation (EDC) on Phase II.
With Ward One City Councillor Steve Butland noting that “Gore Street is in pretty rough shape,” McConnell told Council the Phase II plan includes Gore Street and the western section of Queen Street East as tax incentive zones to encourage development in those areas.
Even though 68 businesses and property owners in the downtown benefited from tax rebates during Phase I, none of the business and property owners in the Gore Street area seemed to express interest in Phase I of the plan.
A concentrated effort will be made to engage in discussions with Gore Street businesses and property owners in Phase II, McConnell told Council.
The Phase II Building Improvement Grant Program will be offered for interior renovations to commercial properties, while a Facade Improvement Grant Program aims to encourage renovations to storefronts.
McConnell added there is a plan to establish “parkettes” in the downtown core’s residential areas.
McConnell described these as small playgrounds “that really change the nature of the neighbourhoods, because the children there don’t have a place to play right now.”
For the culture crowd, there is also the possibility that the Algoma Conservatory of Music, currently located on Algoma University property, may relocate to the downtown area.
Five notable sites have been specially earmarked as being in need of redevelopment and re-use, for purposes other than what they were originally designed for.
These are the former Northern Breweries site, the Suncor property, the old Sault Area Hospital (SAH) site, the former St. Mary’s Paper site (now owned by Blueforest Ventures, which have put forward a plan to transform the site into a tourist destination), and the Gateway site.
The former St. Mary’s Paper site and the Gateway site have already been approved by Council as part of a special “Canal District,” designed to revitalize the western part of the Sault’s downtown core.
The plan also aims to create “a sense of place,” or development which makes Sault Ste. Marie’s downtown truly unique.
For Gore Street, it is recommended a major overhaul be done, which would include new curbs, wider sidewalks, landscaping, benches, bike racks and garbage cans.
New benches and more garbage cans are needed for Queen Street, the plan notes.
All redevelopment, the plan states, must be “age-friendly” and accommodating for pedestrians.
The price tag?
City staff estimates the total cost for the Phase II DCIP to be $2,535,000.
$600,000, it is hoped, will come from the private sector.
The Downtown Association has committed $35,000 toward the plan.
Staff is requesting Council eventually approves $300,000 in support from the Economic Development Fund, and notes that both the province’s Northern Ontario Heritage Fund Corporation (NOHFC) and Ottawa’s FedNor will welcome funding applications from the City.
When public input information has been gathered and stage one funding applications to the federal and provincial governments have been made, Council will be asked by staff to formally approve the Phase II DCIP and provide City funding for the project.
Mayor Debbie Amaroso stated Monday: “I’m thrilled to see Phase II in front of us…this is an absolutely exciting time.”
Right of Centre 10/7/2013 10:00:22 PM Report
I see two issues here. First, there needs to be more to draw people downtown, right through the evening hours. Unless the stores in the mall relocate, or stores that are wanted but don't have locations here, move to Queen, I don't see it happening.
Second, the Gore area is a disaster. It is a catch-all for drug addicts and criminals. You could put the greatest businesses on earth there, and you wouldn't catch me there at noon. The only way to fix that is to stop the revolving door on jail, the slaps on the wrists, and changes to the RTA to allow for eviction of these problem makers, and forced responsibility for their actions (destructive, criminal, etc.), but where would they end up? Trying to fix up the Gore area with money for facades is just lipstick on a pig.
It's really unfortunate. In my youth, 25+ years ago, I lived in four different homes/apartments downtown, worked, shopped and banked downtown. It was a great place to be, with a lot of activity, days and evenings. You could buy almost anything on Queen, with stores like Davis', Freidman's, Woolco. There were movie theatres, restaurants, bars, shoe stores, a hotel. With the move to the mall and the Great Northern/Second Line boxes, that will never return to Queen Street, never mind Gore St. Gore's demise started with the Princess theatre's closing, followed by the CIBC leaving.
Tag33&1/3rd 10/7/2013 10:20:33 PM Report
Long story short? --- We lost our downtown years ago; as everything is up on Great Northern now and in the future!
I have no desire to get in a car accident therefore I rarely go up there and that is same opinion for most everyone I know.
sph 10/7/2013 10:36:48 PM Report
Check out the City of Orillia. A city half the size of Sault Ste Marie with a fabulous downtown. Our councillors and business owners should all spend a weekend there.
thesharr 10/7/2013 10:59:24 PM Report
You can talk till your blue in the face,STATION MALL KILLED QUEEN STREET,you don't have to be a rocket scientist.Everything you need under a roof,free parking,get the picture.Who ever let ACR build the Mall there is responsible for the demise of our down town,plain and simple.There is nothing Susan Myers can do,Joe Fratesi,or the citizens of Sault Ste Marie.The only thing your going to attract downtown are more cockroaches.
I'm In 10/7/2013 11:07:06 PM Report
Say what you want Sue, the malls, big box stores, and the one way street killed the Sault's downtown and it is never coming back, this city killed the west end (Little Italy) when it brought in the so called Urban Renewal in the 70's that made the area worse. This city can barely hold on to the jobs it already has. When you have a brutal transportation route ie: Highway 17E & W and a railroad that sees one train a day heading East and the CN line bringing in freight headed to the US your city won't expand. So Sue get your head out of the sand and face the facts the Sault isn't growing anytime soon which means no downtown revitalization. The City of Stratford voted down big box stores and malls and that is why their downtown strives two way downtown streets with angle and free parking.
CB4 10/7/2013 11:14:52 PM Report
Our mayor ?
caper 10/7/2013 11:34:15 PM Report
Reality escapes Susan and others on council. Unless there is a reason to go down town which there isn't, why go...all that one needs is at the station mall and on great northern road. Heck, even the PUC group wanted to be up where all the action is at...and this group could have been told to stay if council had any leadership.
The mayor is excited?
Rachel01 10/8/2013 12:15:06 AM Report
I went to Timmins years ago and walked their downtown and I swore when I got back to the Sault I would thank every business on Queen...keep it alive!!!
TFinn 10/8/2013 12:17:13 AM Report
I heard thru the grapevine that A&W is also relocating ( new construction )further north on Great Northern Rd. as well ... between 2nd and 3rd line ??
Mr. Poster 10/8/2013 12:27:32 AM Report
Please....no more tax dollars spent on studying the downtown. First mistake down there was putting in planter boxes instead of offering free parking. I often wonder if the amount of money they collect in those meters is enough to pay the salaries of the meter collectors.
Tag33&1/3rd 10/8/2013 12:28:04 AM Report
I believe it! Everything moving farther and farther up the highway! Moving the hospital way up there was stupid also! It is also the most ridiculously long hospital I have ever seen---should of followed Sudbury's example! It is not "Senior-friendly" nor is it good for people who have disabilities with their feet and legs and having to walk long hard floor halls! Stupidest hospital design ever! Build up not across (pretty simple!)
CRaginskis 10/8/2013 12:51:07 AM Report
The coolest downtown I liked the best belonged to London Ontario and was affectionately named "Richmond Row". In the daytime, there were sweet coffee shops and clothing stores, a park right there. At night, it transformed to probably the busiest street in town. Perhaps a few College bars (not country or karaoke) would spice things up a bit. Not that I have anything against those kind of bars. Maybe its too late, but it would take a hell of a lot of $$$ to spruce up this downtown.
Mark Brown 10/8/2013 5:16:07 AM Report
Dear Right of Centre,
Great point about the Police!!!
The city should appropriate, at minimal cost to us taxpayers, a large block of property on Gore Street for a Foot, Bike and Horse Community (downtown) Police Division!!!
If they used that idea (and that's a big if), our downtown would have TONS of cops on the ground in the downtown! And those walking, biking, horseback riding cops would be right in the heart of ALL of the reported criminal activity in and around Gore Street!
If we put a big walkabout community cop shop on Gore Street we may even have to change the name of the street from Gore Street to Clean Street! Unfortunately, however, that would cause too much confusion for us taxi drivers...
Clean Street sounds too much like Queen Street :(
One great thing about this idea is that the two Tims are a hefty walking distance from Gore which would mean grrrrrrrrreat foot patrol of the downtown!!! :)
That's my taxi driver input, and I'm stickin' with it.
Sincerely and Respectfully,
Mark Brown 10/8/2013 6:40:14 AM Report
The citizens of this city always have such good ideas! So I'm hoping you have a few good ones for the revitalization of our downtown!!!
Last night City Council set in motion an extremely detailed and comprehensive plan to transform our downtown into a vibrant, safe, 24/7/365, citizen and visitor welcoming place.
And they say they want our input!
But it's been my experience that Public INPUT Sessions put on by the city, like the ones they are going to be putting on about this downtown revitalization effort, are simply Public INFORMATION Sessions where they tell you the details of THEIR PLAN and toss our ideas into the 'circular file', and then announce to the world that they provided lots of opportunity for us citizens to provide our input.
Don't get me wrong, going to these so-called Public Input Sessions and verbally expressing your idea to the decision makers is better than not expressing your idea at all, but if you want your idea to have a good chance at being implemented it has to be WRITTEN and it has to have large numbers of people supporting it... IN WRITING!!!
I'm talking about PETITIONS here... one petition for each idea.
If you have an idea that you would like our City Council to use then start an online petition here:
And then show up at the Public Input Session with your petition that has thousands of signatures on it!
Who knows, maybe the media will be interested in your idea too!?!
Sincerely and Respectfully,
David Poluck 10/8/2013 6:57:28 AM Report
Sault Association of Ratepayers will be meeting at city hall Thursday October 24th in the Russ Ramsay Room from 7-9 for a general meeting.
If this is a topic that someone wishes to add this to the agenda to either speak on or begin to organize the citizen input please contact firstname.lastname@example.org
"Ratepayers helping ratepayers for the betterment of our community"
Where this goes is up to you.
Me Myself an I 10/8/2013 7:34:33 AM Report
downtown was dead long before the big box stores started showing up on Great Northern Road. Once the Station Mall opened the writing was on the wall for Downtown.
Meow 10/8/2013 7:43:50 AM Report
Question: If this is your downtown when was the last time Susan Myers shopped on Gore Street or Queen Street West?
Snowdon 10/8/2013 7:57:28 AM Report
I live downtown and do everything downtown (no car). I wish more people would give it a chance. I'm not a big person and I've never, ever felt unsafe. There are some truly great restaurants downtown (Tandoori Gardan and Lychee Thai to name 2 new ones) and soon to be a microbrewery (or two apparently).
People who dismiss the downtown out of hand are likely not making the effort to give the downtown a chance. There are plenty of nice places and nice downtown residents and shopowners, local small business owners, that if you really cared about the city, you would be supporting because they are the backbone of a city.
And to say it is unsafe or whatever - the only way to make it better is to populate the area with more foot traffic. Sketchy people don't like to be in the public eye if they're doing sketchy things.
The_claw 10/8/2013 8:32:07 AM Report
More of the same promises from city hall with money available to clean up gore st. well it just is not that easy. you see you must have your taxes all paid up to qualify and if you have not received you rent from your tenants you can not pay your taxes. An your tenants well they usually pay there rent for a month or two before they tell social assistance to change the address of the check (assistance) they are receiving, an dont tell the land lord they are moving. And yes some of the buildings are in rough shape but it becomes a catch 22 you cant fix your building because the tenant didnt pay and the tenant didnt pay because you had problems with your building. So city hall can continue you "Look Great" at offering all these incentives but the truth is that unless your taxes are paid you can not receive them. And if it were all fixed up then there is no where to park and this is not on there list of things to do. So please stop saying you are tring to make thing happen cause it just is not true.
landlord "gore st"
homemadebbones 10/8/2013 8:48:33 AM Report
How about a park/community garden in that vacant lot at Pim & Herrick? It's been an eyesore for what, a decade now? Put it to some good use and improve the quality of life downtown.
Beej 10/8/2013 9:09:39 AM Report
Gore street should be leveled.
Don't throw any more good money after bad on Queen street.
Free parking should have been implemented on Queen street years ago and it would have made a difference, it's far too late now.
S M is the queen of fantasy land.
moose23 10/8/2013 9:18:15 AM Report
All is good if the entire city is on board - I get the sense watching the city hall session last night that this is a personal agenda by a very few. The fact is that societies change and evolve over time - things come and go - downtown shopping is one - we shouldn't be spending our public $$$ on something that the public/society will not benefit from. I do agree that some areas could be cleaned up a bit. Personally I would love to support more businesses in the downtown core than I currently do but I just find it inconvenient - perhaps if my schedule was more lax...
ThinkAgain 10/8/2013 9:21:55 AM Report
The property owners are responsible, so don't start spending my tax money on more false stories/promises.
The big problem is our Major has to do something to be remembered before the next election (she's not coming back)
The 2nd problem is the day of the Ma & Pa store is gone, those few stores downtown offer no incentives (they can't compete with the big retail)
The 3rd problem, most of the downtown stores DO NOT advertise,so with 1 way streets and pay to park and street lights at every corner - its easier to go to the mall.
Solution: Worry about the vacant lots and close the back alleys, clean up what is already in place.
sinikka 10/8/2013 9:22:24 AM Report
perhaps susan myers should have thought about the downtown before allowing the puc to move from their former location. Why was there not more discussion then . I am tired about hearing about the downtown and the gore street area and the Jamestown area. What have the police done to stop all the drug trafficking on gore street and albert street. What have the police done to stop all the vandalism downtown. This is all lip service . I own a business in the downtown area and I can tell you that I am looking to relocate. Tired of having my sign smashed , tired of seeing the yard littered and tired of finding syringes near the dumpsters.. You want to revitalize the downtown susan myers , go and live their yourself.
Wisenheimer 10/8/2013 9:27:00 AM Report
The city should do 4 things .. fix the roads, plow the snow, and refuse to entertain any ideas that restricts business. (I.E. pandering to nimbies and unions.)
Other than, that just go away!
25miller 10/8/2013 9:31:51 AM Report
After reading all these posts, I think most of you do not even think before you type.As for the meters , I would gladly pay a dime or a quarter to park infront of a store and walk right in rather then park in a mall parking lot and get my car banged by the other car parking so close to mine and hitting it with their door.If you think the downtown stores have nothing to offer then you are missing out on many deals and savings.Service is #1 when I shop...
dargus 10/8/2013 10:00:02 AM Report
Thank God that next year is election year here and we can finally get an opportunity to clean out our council. This is the worst council this city had had in the last twenty years. We do not need politicians in council we need young progressive minds to help move the city forward not people that want to spend dollars on useless projects (flower gardens & heritage centers) to try and keep the city in the 60's.
Please remember this stupidity next November folks. We will then have the opportunity to clean out the fence sitters and put people in that can look down the road for this city!
bubba2006 10/8/2013 10:15:05 AM Report
Leave it to a few citizens of this city to be NOTHING BUT NEGATIVE! Everyone wake up and smell the coffee. DOWNTOWN SSM is growing and alive! One must make a point of walking the street and looking at the variety of stores and great restaurants. The Downtown Association is always active and engaged in planning and executing outdoor events in hopes of bringing people downtown to shop or play. Take advantage of what is offered downtown. That does not mean that the downtown area doesn't need some improvements...it does and it is always a matter of money to achieve the ideas that are already in the works. Encourage the west end of Queen Street East (from Scoops Café to Wendy's and all of Gore) to join the Downtown Association. THERE IS ALWAYS STRENGTH in NUMBERS!
Nimrod 10/8/2013 10:31:08 AM Report
Plenty of cities revitalized their downtown cores and marquette is on than comes to mind Simply amazing and all of it done with private investment. Condos,small shops and eateries are thriving dispite the fact that the big box outlets moved out of the core.They didn't build a new arena there either!!!Tax dollars will be spent in our downtown and that is a fact! I remember an ex- councilor (Delbianco)stating "how nice is was going to be for people to browse the shops on Queen before attending functions at the arena".lmao. The present council is just as dillusional as he was!!We bought parking spaces from the same people who want tax dollars to revamp the slum and they will get it!!! Watch carefully.
Mato Wakpa 10/8/2013 10:32:15 AM Report
It's easy to say downtown is dead or crime-infested and it is, for the most part, true. How do we go about changing that? How about some ideas instead? I, like sph, have been to Orillia and other cities that have vibrant downtowns and would love to see that here. A downtown can co-exist with the malls and big box stores, but the question is how?
I had a chance to visit downtown during RotaryFest the last few years and Queen St was alive! It was good to see. What about striving towards a Kensington Market feel? Or the Byward Market in Ottawa? The French Market in New Orleans? Having traveled through small town America for many years I have seen a lot of small size cities and towns have a downtown scene co-exist with the big box stores on the edge of town. There's something about small stores, markets, restaurants and cafe's that a mall or big box development just can't give you in my opinion. We already have some great restaurants downtown like Panna, Ember's, Solo, Frida's, Lychee, etc. Let's build off that.
How about closing Gore to vehicle traffic on weekends and have street vendors along with getting tenants in all those empty storefronts? Yes, parking is a problem that would need to be addressed. It could be something special if the right ideas are followed through. Of course, these are just my ideas off the top of my head, I'm sure others out there have some ideas as well. It's easy to bash but better to give some suggestions.
B Boy 10/8/2013 10:35:55 AM Report
Maybe I'm missing something but I don't know how you can say that the downtown is growing.
What I see are a few new restaurants or stores replacing the ones that have closed or moved. If it was growing then there would be no vacant stores and the downtown would be getting bigger.
There are the same recurring complaints
-very inconvenient parking
-irritating/inconvenient one-way streets
-really spread out
Why the police haven't set up a sub-station in the downtown/gore area is beyond me. Police services have been doing that for over 30 years.
How many people have seen small cities with one-way streets downtown?
Personally, I like downtowns and I really wanted to buy a business downtown.
The only reasons I avoid it are the frustrating parking navigation(I don't mind paying), stupid 1-way streets and as the crime closers to the holidays.
Has anyone actually read the city's improvement plan? I've skimmed it and there's no shopper survey, no user survey. Shouldn't they be reaching out to the consumers to find out why WE aren't shopping downtown since WE are the ones spending the money?
Last weekend I specifically went downtown to buy some supplies because the store owner is the most knowledgeable. I just hate the downtown setup.
Mikie 10/8/2013 11:00:37 AM Report
I spend a lot of time in Europe and their downtown sections are wonderful. You can sit outside a cafe and not be right there with traffic noisily whizzing by. Families can walk from shop to shop without traffic. So perhaps some section of queen or Gore St. could be set up as a walking mall. Not much money to spend on trying it. Just close the street and try it. If it doesn't work just remove the barrier and open the street. Of course people would have to walk a bit.
TFinn 10/8/2013 11:14:14 AM Report
I personally know business owners along Great Northern Rd, that have put a lot of money to enhance the area up between 2nd and 3rd line, my point is ..why should tax dollars which are paid by all and should benefit all... be spent on "just" the downtown area ...there now is an "uptown" area ..like many other cities in Ontario …it is the future. The business people from uptown are tax payers "big tax payers" should have the same right to tax money when available. There should be no favouritism ..if the downtown is not drawing the people, it's not up to the tax payers to save it ...the downtown core will have to find it's own way to entice people downtown.
The_claw 10/8/2013 11:17:26 AM Report
in responce to the statement of joining the queens town association,
"Queen Street East (from Scoops Café to Wendy's and all of Gore) to join the Downtown Association. THERE IS ALWAYS STRENGTH in NUMBERS!"
join the downtown association and pay
another $1000 or $2000 dollars for nothing but to have the right to say i belong to the association, no thanks.
how about put a fund raiser together and puchase a couple of the buildings to tear down to make parking.
(gore st. landlord.)
B Boy 10/8/2013 11:17:47 AM Report
To the posters - very little of what you as consumers dislike about the downtown seems to be addressed in the council's downtown improvement plan created over 6 years ago.
The bulk of the plan seems to aim at making things 'prettier'. I can't see more public are or more public furniture increasing the draw for downtown consumers.
homemadebbones 10/8/2013 11:21:26 AM Report
I have lived downtown for seven years and walk my dogs at night every night and I have yet to come across any of this rampant crime some posters are talking about.
B Boy 10/8/2013 11:25:11 AM Report
I don't think anyone said it's rampant but there have been a lot of vehicle break-ins and cars being keyed.
One MASSIVE opportunity that the downtown missed out on is Oktoberfest.
Imagine a great Oktoberfest celebration in the core with a section of bay closed.
That would have brought lots of people downtown and even into SSM from surrounding areas.
B Boy 10/8/2013 11:26:33 AM Report
If anyone is interested in organizing one for next year - I'd be happy to get started!
wakeup 10/8/2013 11:41:39 AM Report
Hahaha ya an what about all the criminals that live throughout the apartment above an around the building in the downtown, same as what about all the streets that have been left in disrepair for years, what about gettin on the slum lords to clean up building throughout the city, but no just waste time rebuilding a totally delapitated downtown, building that without millions being spent to repair as they are junk, yet here we are with a mayor who just declared state of emergency, but now this council is wanting to talk about the so called repair of a downtown that will cost so much money, this city has so much ability to do such things then why was state of emergency called for, typical of uneducated to reality politicians looking for votes
25miller 10/8/2013 11:59:15 AM Report
TFinn do you know that the downtown building owners pay 65% of the commercial taxes in this city?...Each building pays around 4000.00-6000.00 per year in building taxes and get nothing for it..The average homeowner pays 2000.00 and gets a pothole fixed real fast if they call about it.The city does not even remove the grass from their sidewalks and make it look even worse downtown...I think they pay their fair share in taxes to have improvements...You do not see any grass on the uptown sidewalks do you?Why is their tax money going to those sidewalks and road improvement to get into the box stores?
B Boy 10/8/2013 12:08:09 PM Report
25miller - you have a good point but you're a little inaccurate in the residential services.
I pay close to $3,000/yr and don't get the potholes on my street fixed among other issues.
In my opinion the city treats us all like second-class citizens. Most of our taxes are disproportionately high.
I think among the mistakes downtown, the biggest is the traffic flow. Mass volumes of cars are just flying through there. It makes parking difficult - we need to physically slow down the downtown traffic. I'd like to be able to stroll through a nice, chaos-free downtown on a summer or Christmas evening.
B Boy 10/8/2013 12:56:54 PM Report
For anyone who is interested in organizing an Oktoberfest for next year (or any other festival for that matter) please visit
I've just created it and I hope we can get some good things accomplished.
Wisenheimer 10/8/2013 1:01:07 PM Report
HOMEMADEBB .. guess you missed the Mac's on Gore getting knocked off for the umpteenth time the other day.
kw126 10/8/2013 1:07:50 PM Report
@ B Boy I totally agree with you. Oktoberfest would be an awesome idea.
As for everyone talking about the inconveniences of parking - I walk 3 blocks to work from my car and back everyday, and honestly I enjoy it. It is healthy. Whenever you visit places such as Traverse City and Frankenmuth, people walk from all over just to see the shops and the stores. Why not leave the limited parking that there is on Queen Street for the people that need it, rather than for the people who feel the need to be parked right at the door of the store they are shopping in. Think about it, if you park at Sears and shop the length of the mall to Walmart, how is that any different than walking from Joe Sports to the Bridal Shop? There are tons of stores and businesses in that stretch of Queen Street, or any stretch of Queen Street of that length. There is potential for sure for Queen Street.
Wisenheimer 10/8/2013 1:13:07 PM Report
Bubba .. I have an idea .. after 5pm turn Queen Street into a bowling alley from Muios to Ernies .. nary a car or pedestrian to block the lanes.
TFinn 10/8/2013 1:19:06 PM Report
25miller 10/8/2013 11:59:15 AM
Hi 25 thanx for your imput ...
You don’t want to know what they pay up between 2nd and 3rd Line. However I have on occasion through the nature of my business seen the tax bills from different businesses they are far from the little taxes paid in down town core …on average 10x the amount you had mentioned … Also the average home I also beg to differ …I think it would lean more towards $3000
However my point still remains …all tax payers should be treated fairly according to each situation based on the demographics and locale ….but that’s only my opinion..!
Have a good one ..! :)
habsfan 10/8/2013 1:59:48 PM Report
I think everyone is missing the boat here. We live on a beautiful river that we dont utilize. WE dont even run a tour boat anymore. Down south there are lots of tours on the river. Marinas that are not full service. Oh ya, that was crushed years ago. REMEMBER. You want to revitalize the downtown, burn it to the ground.
flyhawk25 10/8/2013 8:22:39 PM Report
Our downtown has been allowed to diminish gradually over many years.There are many causes in my view.
In no particular order:
-one way traffic west;
-the Station Mall hogging our waterfront;
-on street parking and lack of room for delivery truck space;
-abandonment by retailers due to lack of easy access by a 'car society' and aging owners;
-an aging demographic who are replaced by a people who have no sentimental attachment to urban landscapes;
-a lack of population base with discretionary income close by;
-lousy central management and vision.
There still are many diamonds in this mess.
Places like City Meat that even still delivers.Savoy's Jewelers who stayed downtown and put a second store in the mall.Muio's. Lop Lops.
New places that are diverse ethnic spots;
Algoma University's space at the Windsor Park;
Here are some quick ideas.
On the city parking lots build multiple level garages between Albert and Queen.One at a time and add as traffic increases.
Open the access to our waterfront. Look at Portland Oregon as a model.
Create a corridor from Queen and Brock west to the Stone's block through to the park and create a pedestrian mall with specialty shops right to Bay and allow foot traffic across Bay to our river and park;
Rethink public transit through the area.
Until our youth can stay here and make a life like other places we are doomed. Throw funding at young business people with ideas. Create loft/apartments above retail spaces that are affordable.
Cut out the red tape and 'we can't ' mentality.
My generation can't but this one can.
lsphoto 10/9/2013 1:16:43 AM Report
You are forgetting that "downtown" encompasses more than simply Queen Street. What about the residential properties on Albert and Wellington that are dilapidated shacks masquerading as homes? Why not proposition for a grant program where the government offsets costs of renovations to increase curb appeal? Drive downtown in any of the cities previously mentioned, or tourist towns such as Traverse City or Petoskey, and not only will you see thriving mom and pop shops- but storybook-appeal of the residential homes accenting these streets.
havenesegal 10/9/2013 2:41:47 PM Report
the problem with having events like Oktoberfest and such is our city doesn't like having events that serve alcohol. There are a lot of younger people who feel events for families shouldn't serve alcohol .personally I think it is closed minded and I'm not a drinker. I love the idea of having shops that hold an interest selling touristy things. I find the malls boring personally.I also live downtown and have not feared walking although I find it very distasteful when everyone drives down and parks there cars at station mall in the evening,and leave behind a ton of garbage.
R0FL0L 10/9/2013 8:52:12 PM Report
Just call Great Northern between 2nd and 3rd "Downtown Sault Ste. Marie" Problem solved.