B Boy 9/4/2013 4:58:25 PM Report
What is going on in this city?
It's not safe to bike here.
streaker 9/4/2013 5:03:15 PM Report
Could it be the cyclist was not paying attention to signal light and passing on the right.?? (as they do many times)
squidster0808 9/4/2013 5:20:51 PM Report
Are bikes allowed on the sidewalk? I turned into foodbasics today and a teenager on a bike came that I almost hit he was booting down the sidewalk the same way came out of nowhere.
haywire 9/4/2013 5:24:08 PM Report
yea and last night a suv took out 2 poles on peoples rd right in front of our place store and that happened at about 11:40pm and i haven't seen anything about that yet i got pics of it but cant send them for some reason
Tender34 9/4/2013 5:25:52 PM Report
Sounds to me like the biker was passing on the right like many, many bikers do. Doesn't matter if the car had the signal on. You pass on the right, you take the risk.
Just Curious 9/4/2013 6:37:45 PM Report
Squidster;Over 10yrs,not allowed on sidewalks. The only time it's enforced is if there's an accident.
Timbob 9/4/2013 6:52:35 PM Report
"Could it be the cyclist was not paying attention to signal light and passing on the right?"...
"Sounds to me like the biker was passing on the right like many, many bikers do. Doesn't matter if the car had the signal on. You pass on the right, you take the risk."...
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!!!
If the biker was riding beside the curb going with traffic, then yes they would be passing on the right. Which is exactly what they should be doing.
YOU, the driver of the powered automobile ARE THE ONE WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE PAYING ATTENTION - AND GIVE WAY IF NECESSARY.
You just passed the bike 5 seconds earlier. But of course you aren't Mario Andretti so you're not able to judge how fast the bike is going, you can't judge how long it will take them to catch up to you as you turn. But what the hell, you just stomp on it and go nowhere real fast, and run over who ever's in your way.
Oh, I forgot. The bicyclist is the one who's supposed to take care.
WHEN WILL YOU LOSERS GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEADS?!
mudrunner 9/4/2013 6:59:46 PM Report
People on bikes should be following the road rules as well an not pass on the right. I can't pass on the right in a car if you are stopped in front of me, same should go for people on bikes.
soogirl91 9/4/2013 7:14:07 PM Report
Either passing cars on the right or riding on the sidewalk... I always pull in as close as I can to the curb. I can respect people wanting to ride their bikes but if you can't understand that you are only allowed half of the curb lane and you can't follow the regular rules of the road I have no sympathy when a vehicle hits you. There are a lot of places I refuse to ride on the road, if I can't at least attempt to keep up with the flow of traffic I won't put myself in that situation and for those who will call me a hypocrite for not riding on the road, I stop when I see people walking and I always still ride with the traffic.
Working Man 9/4/2013 7:16:25 PM Report
If people have a problem with cyclists, then they should NOT be driving.
Koss 9/4/2013 7:17:08 PM Report
Wrong. Though bikes should stay as close to the right as possible, a cyclist is allowed the whole lane. Shouldn't pass other by the curb though.
ashaule 9/4/2013 7:18:31 PM Report
@Timbob you really need to think before you speak. Because bikers are suppose to follow the rules of the road. No one told them they have to hug the curb that's just what people like to do and NO you are NEVER allowed to pass on the right!! A biker should be taking up the whole lane like they are a motorized vehicle(meaning being in the middle)!
I dislike when everyone blames the person driving because SOMETIMES it's not the drivers fault. Do you want to know how many times i'd be stopped at a light and a biker comes on my right and passes all the way to the front (and sometimes even through the red light). sorry but it happens and sometimes its their fault for getting hit.. police need to crack down on people on bicycles like they do to people in vehicles. you go through a red light you should be ticketed!
Anyways no one knows what actually happened so maybe everyone should just stop judging and pointing fingers.
Koss 9/4/2013 7:19:38 PM Report
However if the car turned right and didnt signal the turn and cut fine bike off near the curb they are in the wrong.
Big Deal 9/4/2013 7:36:17 PM Report
I'm sorry but some of these cyclists are ridiculous and obviously it's dangerous for them to be on the road. If i was going to ride a bike, there is NO WAY I would be riding a bike on the road.....I realize it's the law, but I would have to explain to the police that I feel to unsafe riding on the road and I guess I would have to pay a fine??? I don't think I've ever heard of so many bikes getting hit by drivers BEFORE they changed it to bikes on the road??? What does that tell you???
tommy_boi07 9/4/2013 7:46:10 PM Report
Take note of how no charges were laid against the driver of the car, as for the accident on people's road, I heard from a clerk in the store there that the driver fell asleep at the wheel
nanci 9/4/2013 7:47:02 PM Report
Mirrors people, mirrors, use those devices attached to the outside of your car that actually allow you to see behind you and to your right! Works well with the same device on your left! Imagine looking before lane change or turning? Not a new concept. Side mirrors and rear view mirror...there for a reason! Sheesh
D0BBER 9/4/2013 8:15:14 PM Report
Cyclists bitch an whine about not being given their lane ... but all this goes out the window when it comes to giving the car its lane. Its perfectly all right to zip along the right between the car and the curb apparently !!
If a car/cyclist finds itself behind a turning vehicle, that car/cyclist is legally responsible to slow and allow that car to negotiate its turn. It doesnt matter if you were just passed seconds before, use you breaks its called driving or care and control of a vehicle !!
If you dont know these simple rules of the road turn in your license right away please !!
ThinkAgain 9/4/2013 8:20:15 PM Report
Cyclists don't have mirrors, reflectors, lights (its not cool) they don't signal or check behind them - its a daily problem everywhere.
Laws need to change if cyclists want to share the road (PERIOD).
I'm surprised its not worse than it is, especially in the city.
shju 9/4/2013 8:52:13 PM Report
bikes aren't allowed to pass on the right, I ran someone over at the corner store across from the ymca, The light was red, I had my signal light turning right and so did the car in front of me. The car in front me turned right. I moved forward and proceeded to turn right as well on the red light still. I hear bang bang and my tire ran over his bike and part of his foot. I felt bad for the guy but I felt worse for the scratch in my truck. I tried to get money out of the guy for a new paint job but because he has no insurance on his bike there is nothing I can do so I had to pay $850 to get my rear passenger door repainted. I agree bikes should be allowed on the roads but they need to be educated on how to ride a bike, the same laws apply to bikes as do motorized vehicles. You don't see cars passing on the sidewalk or trying to squeeze through the right hand side so why are bikes trying to.
nanci 9/4/2013 9:18:17 PM Report
And the last few comments are why Sault Ste. Marie is seen as a BACKWARDS BACKWASH TOWN. Pedestrians/children are not safe on sidewalks or getting off the school bus. The entitled driver of the oversized SUV or the new vehicle with the smaller windows, hence you need to use your mirrors. Slow down, look both ways, everything you learned in kindergarden applies. SHare the road folks, people on bikes pay for it too. Use your Mirrors, be cognizant of your surroundings. Driving is a privledge, not a right. Sheesh
bugalugs 9/4/2013 9:31:17 PM Report
If you don't like the backwards backsaw town....one word....LEAVE!
Cyclists are to blame sometimes, so are motorists, sometimes...I know I get annoyed by all the bikes, scooters and people crossing, cutting in front, darting across, not signalling, but it comes down to this....I try to imagine how bad I would feel if I took someone's life , doesn't matter if I was wrong or they were...I would never forgive myself for lacking a little patience....try to remember that on both sides! Be kind !
Timbob 9/4/2013 9:31:45 PM Report
Nanci has it right. A BACKWASH, BACKWARDS TOWN...
full of neanderthal knuckle-draggers.
I can't believe the thinking and comments in this thread. Everyone in "the Soo" probably thinks the world is still flat, LOL.
MoesTavern 9/4/2013 9:34:31 PM Report
Drivers here are brutal. SHARE THE ROAD.
I can only hope that since the it is now in our Master Plan that alternative modes of transportation are going to be the focus that they act on bike lanes ASAP.
beanie 9/4/2013 9:40:54 PM Report
People riding bikes, save all kinds of $$ on gas and insurance.....the least the government can do is make them have a drivers licence, and be accountable for riding like jerks, scratching vehicles and causing accidents :(. (I'm not painting them all with the same brush)b/c I do see some obeying traffic laws, but a huge majority of them, especially the ebikes are gigantic violators of every traffic laws out there, if they get ticketed? so what? thier insurance isn't going up, etc......
Tee 9/4/2013 9:53:23 PM Report
Toronto must be backwards and backwash too, they have dump trucks running over kids.....wonder who is more backwards.
awesome1 9/4/2013 9:55:18 PM Report
We have recently had an awful, senseless tragedy,happen in our community, involving a Drunk Driver, and an innocent bicylist.so sad. this is a separate incident. Keep that in mind.
when cyclist are driving in traffic, they should have to follow the rules of the road, so many times i have went to turn right , and there is a bike be side me, if i hit you and you make my insurance go up, who is the bad guy, it is me!,, bull crap,, when they start paying insurance to drive the roads, as a way of means, or what ever,, then i will respect them, but when on the way home i have to pass the same cyclist 4 times, because he goes up on the sidewalk, illegally, and then comes back on to the road, so traffic has to go around him again,,, he is being selfish,,and making a bad name for his fellow riders! like anything else , there are always a few who make it bad for the rest of them!
Tom_Bom 9/4/2013 9:57:23 PM Report
We need a bicycle lane. end of story. It's safe to ride on the curb of a street with angry drivers whizzing past you just a foot away, most of which loathe your very presences on the road.
We need Bicycle Lanes to keep cyclists safe.
eclectic 9/4/2013 9:58:26 PM Report
Let's see, we have a non-local 'import' who, after making some asinine statements that clearly demonstrate his ignorance of traffic laws (bikes can pass on the right? Do you just make stuff up on the spot?) then decides to bash SSM to make himself feel better. Very astute observations, Timbob. You're a credit to society. Please enlighten us further with your astounding intellect.
Tom_Bom 9/4/2013 9:59:40 PM Report
Tom_Bom 9/4/2013 10:00:59 PM Report
Please guys don't get me confused with Timbob. I believe he is a doppelganger.
MonsterLincolin 9/4/2013 10:39:55 PM Report
LMAO........Gotta love the pethetic observations from the uneducated people that were not even there to voice an opinion. Typical for any city not just the soo. How did it even turn into bashing the city. Hahahhahahaha
Adam L 9/4/2013 11:07:30 PM Report
I only read threads like this to laugh at the idiocy displayed. So please don't use uneducated in the same sentence as gotta and pethetic (spelled pathetic actually)it only fuels the fire of what you were trying to insult. That being said. It is open for debate in this town that neither cyclists or vehicular drivers are all that great, everywhere you go you see idiots on bikes and cars doing stupid things. Hence shows like Canada's worst driver if their weren't idiots their wouldn't be shows.
Adam L 9/4/2013 11:10:58 PM Report
Blast!!!! Wrong there, oh the irony! Stupid I-phone! I thought I had a good zinger "there"
Right of Centre 9/4/2013 11:17:22 PM Report
I don't think bicyles, or other unlicensed modes of transportation, belong on roads with more than one lane in each direction. I'd rather see sidewalks widened on those multi-laned roads, for bikes, scooters, etc. You don't see a lot of foot traffic on the sidewalks of Great Northern, Second Line, Wellington, etc., so why not put up signs that bikes use only the sidewalks on those heavy traffic roads? Make bikes give way to the few pedestrians, and keep the bikes out of harm's way.
Last week, there was a young guy, roller blades on, a pole in each hand, taking up a full lane on Wellington, approaching Trunk, heading east. Ran into Metro, came out, he was going west, hidden just around the curve on Wellington, after the end of Trunk. Heavy traffic. Fortunately I saw him go around the corner, or I would have hit him when I rounded the corner. Considering the heavier traffic on Wellington, due to the Queen St. closure, that's not a great idea.
bobina 9/4/2013 11:23:31 PM Report
The driver had been charged because his license had been expired for 5 months, but the accident was not his fault.
KiwiOnASticK 9/4/2013 11:35:40 PM Report
WOW! After reading the above comments, I'm afraid to be anywhere near a SSM road using any form of transportation.
Turning traffic must ALWAYS yield to straight-through traffic. This also applies to a car turning right in front of a cyclist. It may sound like a silly law, but it's the law and the driver would be at fault if this is the case in the accident today.
As for bicycles on sidewalks, it's actually LESS safe to ride on a sidewalk. Bikes travel at a speed much faster than a walker. Vehicles entering or exiting a driveway do not have time to respond to a cyclist at cruising speed (20-30km/h).
It's time to finally wake-up and share the road. You can drive almost anywhere in this city in 15 minutes (or less) by car or 30 minutes (or less) by bike. Being patient and safe will likely only add a few seconds to your trip.
Scoobz 9/4/2013 11:57:05 PM Report
It has been some time since I took driver's ed, but when I did, one thing that was drilled into our heads .... pedestrians ALWAYS have the right of way. we are driving vehicles, we can kill them, we need to be aware at all times of the people who may not be paying attention, driving is a privilege, not a right. Walking around in public is a right, not a privilege. I would say that the same should be extended to people on bikes. Yes, of course they should be more conscientious of motor vehicles and I would say the majority are. Bottom line, if you are driving and you get into an accident with someone on a bicycle or walking, chances are better than average you are going to end up on the winning side as far as being injured is concerned, so suck it up and slow down.
Koss 9/5/2013 12:06:29 AM Report
You're wrong KiwiOnASticK and I speak as someone who commutes daily as a cyclist. A bike or any other vehicle should never overtake another vehicle on the right. Assuming the car in front of the bike is signalling a turn the bike should proceed around the left as any other vehicle would when it's safe to do so. Now if the car ins't signalling and turn in front of a bike near the curb following behind, well that's a different story, and something I try to anticipate at every intersection I come to. You just can't assume that drivers in this city are aware of their surroundings. Heck, at the cross-walk near Pine and McNabb where my kids cross to get to school there has already been two incidents of cars blowing through no only the walk signals while people are in the cross-walk, but also while live cross-guards are there at the time. It's only day two since school stared back.
kamen 9/5/2013 1:17:06 AM Report
I ride on the sidewalk, end of story, fine me if you want, charge me, money is not as important as my life. I ride like a normal person not a crazy speed, I slow down near driveways, parking lots, and I stop when a pedestrian needs to pass. I can't even hop the curb on my bike, and I don't like going too fast because in all honesty I am afraid the handle bars will fall off or something, I respect people on the sidewalk, and I wish that drivers respected bikes on the road. and by the way, you aren't suppose to pass on the right on a bike, it is the same as any other vehicle passing on the road, if you are in a car and try to pass on the right, you would be on the sidewalk, same goes if you are on a bike. Either way everyone, cyclist and motor vehicle operator, need to be more aware of each other seeing as you have to share the road by law.
WAVEACTION 9/5/2013 7:16:33 AM Report
Be carefully out there. Traffic has doubled since school has started so the risk of an accident at school times has also increased.
outside the box 9/5/2013 7:43:01 AM Report
I hope the rider is alright, but. Did anyone get the license number or insurance slip for the bike. If the rules are for everyone lets make it fare. Everyone pays for the use of the road.
outside the box 9/5/2013 7:43:05 AM Report
I hope the rider is alright, but. Did anyone get the license number or insurance slip for the bike. If the rules are for everyone lets make it fare. Everyone pays for the use of the road.
Snowdon 9/5/2013 8:10:30 AM Report
@Ashaule: "I dislike when everyone blames the person driving because SOMETIMES it's not the drivers fault. "
hahahahaha what? Is that serious?
Is this your first day on this site? EVERY story mentioning a cyclist in ANY way gets bombarded with 20 people whining and complaining about how cyclists are the worst thing ever and how somehow most cyclists are the most dangerous things out there.
No, you are so sadly mistaken. Drivers do not, in any way, shape, or form, get blamed much on here.
rcssm69 9/5/2013 8:24:25 AM Report
EVERY story ever mentioned on here talks about how bikes are considered vehicles in the traffic act!!!
“vehicle” includes a motor vehicle, trailer, traction engine, farm tractor, road-building machine, bicycle and any vehicle drawn, propelled or driven by any kind of power, including muscular power, but does not include a motorized snow vehicle or a street car; (“véhicule”)
UNTIL there is an accident in which the bicycle(vehicle) is at fault!!! They fly by on the right ALL THE TIME!!! Argue all you want...it's the truth!!!
thumbs4208 9/5/2013 8:42:07 AM Report
Whoa you guys and girls - get a life. It's not a "lets hit a cyclist " game or "my trucks and knuckles are bigger",
Sault Ste Marie is the most dangerous place to cycle in the Country. I do it everyday.Yes there are the ones that ruin it for us by speeding on sidewalks with the two-four on the bars, etc, etc . No difference there are handfuls of idiots driving cars that have no friggen clue about anything but themselves and this thread proves it. As a cyclist and a owner/driver of a vehicle I'll watch out for you - on bike or car you are all idiots behind the wheeel and dangerous for everyone. One day you will see and it will be tool late for you.
rcssm69 9/5/2013 9:10:55 AM Report
The most dangerous place to cycle in the Country!!! LOL
D0BBER 9/5/2013 9:20:35 AM Report
"Turning traffic must ALWAYS yield to straight-through traffic. This also applies to a car turning right in front of a cyclist. It may sound like a silly law, but it's the law and the driver would be at fault if this is the case in the accident today."
Are you out of your mind ??? You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about !! Please walk, dont drive to the nearest licencing centre/police station and surrender your license immediately !! You are a danger to yourself and others, and there is a distinct chance you might pass on your idiocy to children so avoid them too please !!
Natty741 9/5/2013 9:27:20 AM Report
In a way I agree. If they have to follow the rules.of the road, they should be in line at the light like everyone else, not pulling up on the right of drivers to get first on line.
irishfey 9/5/2013 10:02:08 AM Report
I agree with Tom-Bob... we need a safer place for people to ride their bikes. I hate driving behnd a person on a bike.. they make me nervous.. not all.. but some just do and go where they want.. no respect for the cars. I once was behind a person on a bike when they were riding in the middle of the road and they just stopped and sat there and had a good long drink of their water.. like really???? And Timbob.. don"t like the Soo?? leave !!
wakeup 9/5/2013 10:33:05 AM Report
Its time that people wake up, anyone useing the road vehilce bike or what ever are to follow the laws of road, you can not pass on the right , an these people who ride up beside traffic need to be fined, same as those over the age of twelve riding on sidewalks, a accident is never good regardless who is at fault, but when cyclists have no regard for proper care an controll then shiat is going to happen, have seen just as many idiots on bicycles as drivers in this city, an some should really not have liecenses like the older man who took four trys just to get out of the parking space at a store , personally when i pull up to a corner i make sure i leave no room to my right as the days the idiot ripped uppast me on one of the scooters, that was it, no more of this crap , its against the law for any vehicle to do that bicycle or whatever, an the worst part is even if they are in the wrong , our insurance count it against us as i was a victum of a idiot passing a suv on the right of a one lane street an because i was turning left the insurance company says you are always at fault when turning left, long story, but fact is they even charged me(scam) but unlike most i went to court cause did nothing wrong, an charges were dismissed , yet my insurance company up'd my insurance five hundred bucks before it even went to court, later i fought them as well an they had to drop it , but still remains as a twenty five percent my fault on my insurance record because insurance laws are not the same , nice scam they got going, yet we are forced to have insurance, if thats the case then its time these lazy cops get on all who are useing the roads an maybe its time these people who dont follow the rules bicycles or what ever made to have insurance so they are held responsible as well, hey the insurance companies rip us off as it is so why not hand them more money
R0FL0L 9/5/2013 11:04:59 AM Report
this poor cyclist was a scared cyclist -riding on the sidewalk. Scared to take the whole lane and mingle with traffic. And because the cyclist was on the sidewalk it could have easily been a 10 year old **rightfully** being on the sidewalk!!
Or a pedestrian or a mom pushing a stroller.
It does not matter who is on the road or the sidewalk, bike, person, horse, wagon, scooter we all need to wake up and SHARE.
sleepy 1 9/5/2013 11:05:45 AM Report
TOO MANY BICYCLES ON THE SIDEWALKS WITH OVER AGE RIDERS.IT IS TIME FOR MORE STRICT ENFORCEMENT OF THE BYLAW.
B Boy 9/5/2013 11:26:16 AM Report
A 17yr old kid screwed up, used poor judgement in riding their bicycle.
There have been lots of cyclists hit by cars while riding on the sidewalk.
Often sidewalks are very close to the roadway - in my opinion there really shouldn't be that much of a difference in noticing the cyclists.
Had they been riding in a lane I question if the drivers would have also seen them? Maybe, maybe not.
I guess my point is that despite the by-law against riding on a sidewalk, it seems that motorists may not be paying that much attention. Just because the cyclists (or even pedestrians) shouldn't be there doesn't me they won't be there. When I drive I'm constantly paying attention to what is around my car and looking for what MAY be around my car.
I've never caused an accident but I've been on the receiving end of accidents due to other motorists not paying attention.
Sure he shouldn't have been on the sidewalk but crap happens. Bikers are there, children run onto the road, etc. How many people are going to be hurt or killed before motorists pay attention?
B Boy 9/5/2013 11:31:29 AM Report
I used to ride my bike all over town before I moved to the Soo.
Motorists here either aren't sure of how to behave around cyclists or just couldn't care less about cyclists.
I found it was just too dangerous to ride my bike to & from work so I started riding on the empty sidewalk at 5am until I learned of the by-law. Tried again on the road but still too dangerous.
Gave in and bought a car.
For the 'green energy capital of north america' we're doing a crap job of accommodating the first true green energy - pedestrians and cyclists.
Wicket 9/5/2013 11:48:06 AM Report
Let's put this into perspective people, what would your comments be if the cyclist (while riding on the sidewalk) had been hit and killed. Would you still be saying the same things?
I would never, ever ride a bicycle in this town after watching daily the aggressive vehicle drivers, the cyclists that do weave in and out of traffic, drivers that park and open their door without checking first to see if a cyclist is approaching and yes, cyclists who value their lives do ride on the sidewalks - how can you blame them.
Nimrod 9/5/2013 11:52:29 AM Report
I think it's great that people ride bikes. Just think of all the oil byproducts they save! More people should ride bikes and the savings would be huge. They take huge risks battling traffic trying to save the environment and thousangs of liters of gas! Gas that I could burn in my two huge suv's, my four wheelers and my 32 ft boat.Thank you bike riders!
B Boy 9/5/2013 11:54:43 AM Report
My child is 11 years old and is a small child for her age.
Legally she has to ride her bike on the roadway which would exceptionally dangerous.
Comparing the volume of the roadways to the volume of pedestrians on the sidewalk, I'd have her ride her bike on the sidewalk any day.
I think having a by-law on record requiring such small & young children to ride amongst the massive SUV's & pick-up trucks is irresponsible and irrational.
How can you expect these children to follow this law?
The cost of a fine is nothing compared to the cost of the anguish and funeral of one's child.
Kevin5069 9/5/2013 11:58:24 AM Report
To all the tools out there chirping off about idiots driving bikes or cars, let me fill you in on a little secret. Idtios ride or drive everythnig. Cars, trucks, bikes, motorcycles, boats, ATV's, skate boards, and even luxury liners. I've seen as many fools ride bikes through stopped traffic, red lights and across busy rods as I've seen people who shouldn't have a drivers license do the same in a motor vehicle.
Instead of piping up everytime you see a fellow cyclist or vehicle driver in an accident, save your breath and make sure you are driving whatever it is you choose safely.
B Boy 9/5/2013 11:58:30 AM Report
It's not just about the environment.
I didn't want to spend hundreds of dollars a month to travel 4km to work when I should be able to ride my bike.
I guess Nimrod's post exemplifies many of the SSM attitudes - unless you're driving a huge SUV or truck you have no business trying to navigate the roadways of this city.
AnOMALOUS 9/5/2013 11:59:59 AM Report
in the end its the driver's fault. yes the 17 year old was supposed to be on the road but it could have just as easily been a 9 year old. then what? drivers need to be aware of their surroundings.
B Boy 9/5/2013 12:01:39 PM Report
@Kevin - similar point that I was trying to make.
So many argument to place blame. Just operate your vehicle with safety & consideration - we're all sharing the road. Using the roads are not a right but a privilege.
ThinkAgain 9/5/2013 12:08:36 PM Report
Good reference for all
Tender34 9/5/2013 1:11:07 PM Report
There are reasons for rules and laws. Why can't bikes be on the sidewalk? It's because drivers have enough to watch. When you make a right hand turn into a business you need to look at the sidewalk you are about to cross. However, a driver can't be expected to look back 50 or 60 feet for a bike that's traveling at a higher speed than a pedestrian. That's why bikes aren't allowed on the sidewalks. A driver in the curb lane should also be expected to assume that he can't be passed by anyone on the right. Every time a cyclist passes on the right, it's a huge risk. These laws are there for a reason and reasonable people should be able to see that. Part of the problem is that a kid can get on a bike without any knowledge of the rules of the road. There is no training and no licensing. I think there should be a written license for anyone that wishes to ride a bicycle that doesn't already have a driver's license. Doesn't our government need another licensing money grab anyway? This one actually makes sense because it would make our children safer out there.
MikeQ 9/5/2013 1:22:06 PM Report
@ B Boy
I agree. I believe that cyclists shouldn't be on the road until they are old enough to have a driver's licence (15 or 16). That being said, I do believe cyclists should be on the road, and I always am happy to share my roads with them, or I, should I determine to ride my bike that day, would be happy to share with other cars. Those things aside, I don't really agree with an 11 or 12 year old on a road with traffic... they aren't old enough to have the experience and know-how to navigate with the flow of traffic. It's just not safe.
learningaswego 9/5/2013 1:41:50 PM Report
It's safe if both cyclists and drivers obey the laws and practice proper driving and riding habits, and both use common sense and common courtesy.
fatafr 9/5/2013 1:51:04 PM Report
Yes, there are some very irresponsible drivers in this City, but, I've noticed that there are also many irresponsible bicyclists. And, the way I see it, if you are one of these irresponsible cyclists, you will be on the losing end of a collision.
We must all try and drive just a bit more carefully. Seriously, many of these accidents could be avoided and the person that is spared could be your spouse, parent, son or daughter. Let's just apply a little more common sense and bit more patience on the road.
I have to be honest, especially after these 2 serious accidents, I'm going to be just that much more careful, both with my vehicle and certainly with my bike.
Cashmier 9/5/2013 1:58:05 PM Report
It irritates me that they charged the 17 year old for riding on the sidewalk, but didn't charge the driver for turn not in safety (in addition to the driving without a license charge). What if it had been a 9 year old child riding on the sidewalk? Drivers ARE supposed to check sidewalk traffic and their blindspots before turning in either direction. Can't really blame the kid for taking the sidewalk on Gt. Northern - that street is terrifying!
Coolmummer1 9/5/2013 2:00:58 PM Report
I ride an electric scooter back and forth to work everyday ... I obey all rules and regulations as if I was driving a motor vehicle. (We're not all jerks!) Still, I find it's VERY dangerous at times. I hug the right curb as much as possible but remember, that's where pits, cracks and holes are(let alone the cement scraping the pedal). A lot of cars pass around safely and cautiously but it's that occasional one that has to show his/her displeasure by either roaring by (yes, I mean roaring!) uncomfortably close or cutting me off at the last minute. Thank heavens for good breaks!!
I sympathize with cyclists wanting to take the sidewalks but can't. Sault go green? It's getting too dangerous to.
I hope there's a reasonable solution to this problem before I and others wind up in the hospital ... or worse.
Ms. Mc 9/5/2013 2:10:50 PM Report
wow there are alot of angry people on this comment section
learningaswego 9/5/2013 2:23:20 PM Report
coolmummer - hugging the curb is probably more dangerous than "taking a meter", which is a recommended practice for cyclists, and I expect would work for scooters as well.
If you take a meter, then vehicles just have to wait until it is safe and clear to pass. If you hug the curb, they will usually try to squeeze by.
thumbs4208 9/5/2013 3:08:52 PM Report
peopel of all levels ride on the sidewalk because it too DANGEROUS on the road - simple - try riding up Pim on your bike - not enough room for the car/trucks nevermind the speedsters - and yes 1 meter - take it - the Sault City Hall needs to read these comments - something has to be done about allthe valid comment here - again as a community we need to do something
lonza 9/5/2013 3:20:04 PM Report
I am over 40 and would use the sidewalk in quite a few areas in this city. People drive like assholes in this town, and will think nothing of hitting you just to get ahead. Anyone who drive on great northern road, second line, third line east, anywhere downtown, trunk road, etc... you are really taking huge risks with the idiots in this city. LAWS NEED TO CHANGE!!!!
I have an idea.... how about a bike lane????????
thumbs4208 9/5/2013 3:40:51 PM Report
So get this SSM. SDiscussing the recent sad events around cyclist being hit and impaired drivers . Co worker says cyclist are a pain in the ass hates them, but freely likes to text while driving. Need I say more!So typical, again cyclist are on the sidewalk because it's too DANGEROUS to ride on the road in most cases. Cahnge the LAW !
CrankxGirl 9/5/2013 3:53:44 PM Report
How many people need to #$&%ing die before this city gets bike lanes? It's 2013... This should have been done so long ago.
lonza 9/5/2013 4:21:58 PM Report
see, the sault is still in the stone age. quebec city has had bike lanes since the early 80's. Hey!!!! I thought I just seen the flinstone mobile go by
thera 9/5/2013 4:39:50 PM Report
I was out driving this afternoon on Wellington East, saw 4 bikers - all different ages (about 18 to 60 years old). They were all disobeying the traffic laws: passing on the right, riding on the sidewalk, and going through the red at Pim/Church street. I couldn't believe it, one almost got hit going through the red!
On the way home, there was a close call with myself and a biker using the crosswalk for walkers - just darted out in front of my car. It's like these people want to get hit. This is not a question of inattentive drivers. Bikers need to wake up!
B Boy 9/5/2013 4:46:31 PM Report
Yes - it is a question of inattentive drivers AND irresponsible cyclists.
Treat the cyclists like vehicle operators. Give them lanes (either on the road or beside the sidewalk) and then charge them like vehicle operators. Fail to stop, fail to yield, etc.
There seems to be a reoccurring theme of attitudes in SSM. Attitudes toward cyclists, motorists, drugs, races....
Seems like we spend so much time bickering and no real time seeking solutions.
Imagine if concerned motorists and concerns cyclists *shudder* cooperated and communicated bringing these concerns to city council.
Alone we can't do a damn thing. My councillor won't even reply to email. Let's occupy city hall and remind them who they work for!
Zarm27 9/5/2013 4:50:34 PM Report
I personally would love to see more bike friendly areas in this city, since there are a fair amount of bad drivers. To the point that it's not only bicyclists and pedestrians, but even other drivers that are obeying the speed limit are seen as nuisances. You can also see many drivers not waiting for a crosswalk to be clear before forcing their way through regardless of who is in it. The problem of drinking and driving has been an ongoing topic of how "eventually" someone will be hurt, and how many times this year has their been injuries or fatalities even with sober drivers? City officials should get off their f*cking asses and do something about it, and not just think of their own ward but the whole friggin town and how it could be taken forward. The sitting around to just ask for money from the government to fund projects around town will take forever. An idea that may help with certain topics would be cameras at the intersections, that a witness could easily just phone and mark the time of an incident that could be then viewed by an Officer. Even with a bike lane, no one can say for sure that all bicyclists would indeed use it, since there are some that just go wherever they please without regard for rules. Also, I'm sure businesses and residential properties that would be affected by any expansion of a roadway would be up in arms over it.
slinger 9/5/2013 6:00:15 PM Report
There are a lot of opinions about bicycles being on the sidewalk, or passing on the right against the curb, and who has the right of way, bikes or cars, but this situation is not that simple.
First bicycles and cars have shared the roads for many decades, but still both seem oblivious to the rights of the other for road usage so laws were established to define those rights.
Second, if the cyclist was on the sidewalk, as reported it is illegal and should be treated that way.
Third the motor vehicle was responsible under the law to turn only after making sure the way is clear -another law broken that should be treated that way. Fourth the driver of the motor vehicle was reported to be driving without a license (no one seems to have comments about that part) -yet another law broken that should be treated that way.
These are simple facts, but a minor change of characters may clarify arguments. The car is still turning right, but instead of a bicycle on the sidewalk, it was a mother jogging with her stroller,(a vehicle based on the definition above)or a youngster running to the bus stop and the same situation occurred, -would the same banter be going on about right of way and who is responsible? The driver made a error the sidewalk was occupied, the driver still has no license and the accident still happens. Where is the blame now?
D0BBER 9/5/2013 6:40:20 PM Report
BLAH BLAH .. my child is too small to ride on the road out among the traffic, well how about being a parent and not letting her !!
The law states she cannot ride on the sidewalk, not that she has to ride on the road ... youre the one allowing her to ride in traffic, take a little personal responsibility for once in your life.
Timbob 9/5/2013 7:28:27 PM Report
Would one of you neanderthals please quote me the exact legislation that says "you can't pass on the right"?
There is no such freaking thing!
You can drive in either of the lanes heading down Great Northern Road - left or right - and pass the car beside you. It isn't like being on the highway. At certain times the guy in the left lane will slow down to prepare for a left turn (well, at least some of us slow down). So as you continue on your way straight down the road in the right lane are you supposed to slow down to match their speed - so you don't pass them on the right?!
Everyone who answers "YES" is a bigger idiot than I can possibly imagine.
Timbob 9/5/2013 7:42:22 PM Report
When you drive a motorized vehicle YOU are responsible for checking EVERYTHING around you as you drive. That includes people walking on the sidewalk, people bicycling on the sidewalk, or someone laying in the middle of the freaking road!
I don't care if the person beside you is naked and giving you the finger. It's YOUR responsibility to maintain care and control of your vehicle at all times.
It's your responsibility to anticipate pedestrians all around your vehicle - front, left, right, and behind - and to avoid a collision with them.
Timbob 9/5/2013 7:52:07 PM Report
and even more Furthermore...
I'm really sorry you had to pass the same cyclist 3 times in the past 60 seconds because you were stuck in traffic and they had clear sailing as they carefully and steadily road past the line of stopped cars on the right.
Oh my god, what a travesty. That must just burn your ass! Who really gives a shit if the cyclist gets to pass you while you're stopped in traffic?!
Maybe next time I'll take up the whole lane - as I'm entitled to - and then we'll see how much you like driving behind me at 15 mph.
Remember numbskulls, it's a privilege to have your driver's licence and barrel around in your jacked up truck with a smoke hanging out of your mouth and your dumb-ass pit bull sitting on your lap with its head out the window.
Hopefully soon the Coppers will figure out it's YOU who needs a ticket and another driver's test.
Ms. Mc 9/5/2013 8:02:29 PM Report
ok ok everyone. please relax for sec. I like to focus on the positive and as a cyclist I would love to express my words that I'm proud to say that the drivers in this city have been very patience and caring towards me while i'm cycling along any streets in this city. It seems that everytime a driver passes me they always give me the save distance space I need while enjoying myself on my bike. Instead of focusing on the negative lets all work together to make sault ste marie a cycling friendly community. too many negative people commenting on this peanut gallery. LOL
Peace out everyone!
hydraulics1 9/5/2013 8:17:27 PM Report
Tips 9/5/2013 8:47:03 PM Report
I hope she fights this ticket! Should automatically be his fault because he had no licence! Furthermore she obviously was more comfortable riding on the sidewalk, and it may be time to share the sidewalk with those walking... these city streets are nuts! The by-law ought to be changed... I have a young son and there is no way I would let this by-law make my kid ride his bike on the road when he is 11! I can see zones like downtown from 9-5pm being reasonable for no cyclist... however Great Northern is a different story! 10 year olds are expected to ride on the road?.. That's nuts! Its not about age, its about experience and confidence! Certainly call your ward counsellor and complain, surely logic can prevail! Surely a lawyer will stand up and help her fight!
I'm In 9/5/2013 8:57:21 PM Report
Bike lanes or not this guy was drunk out of his mind and he still would have killed someone, apparently if it wasn't for the guard rail he would have been in the house and killed some kids in the living room, driving drunk at 140 kms isn't going to save anyone's life, this guy needs 25 years in prison with no parole
guestwho 9/5/2013 9:17:14 PM Report
when possible I always ride on the sidewalk,rather have it out with a person on foot than a car,might be wrong,but better wrong than dead right.
Tips 9/5/2013 10:59:48 PM Report
Mr. I'm In... this is in regards to another story... as above. Your comment is in regards to another accident...and I believe two different types of bike riders.
thumbs4208 9/6/2013 8:12:42 AM Report
Ms Mc you are one of the few -I witnessed two red lights blown through by cars as I wait yesterday at an intersection - hmmm
D0BBER 9/6/2013 9:17:25 AM Report
Timbob ... people reference passing to the right the scenario is with a car in a single lane and a cyclist passing him/her between the car and the curb in that lane. Im thinking this was obvious and if you still cant manage to see the illegality of passing to the right youre hopeless !!
Natty741 9/6/2013 1:28:48 PM Report
Thank you Dobber!
Natty741 9/6/2013 1:33:29 PM Report
Riding ahead on the sidewalk is essentially the same as passing the cars on the right, in case anyone says, who said he was passing on the right?? LOL
wakeup 9/6/2013 6:55:14 PM Report
Wow really fight her ticket, she broke the law, second as a vehilce to ride as the rest of us do ,cars etc, she was in the wrong, first driving on the sidewalk second coming up past a vehicle turning into a parking area, a person turning right an you are going to pass on the rigbt whatare you stpid!!!!!, yea this idiot without a liecense should an hopefully will be delt a nasty fine an more, but what many here are failing to get is you can take a person to civil court for such things as having then repair what ever, since when has it ever been ok to pass on the right, an to all of you who seem to sypathize with idiots who are doing this, i hope you are the next rocket scientist to have a emo or a bike come up the side of you an hit them as they werent there the ten second before , just like they sit in a turning lane waiting their turn , its the same as traveling straight through, what ever position you come to a stop is , is where you remain until you have a clear view an right of way, mistakes happen, but blaitant disregard for traffic an thing that can happen are your own stupidity , no excuses , same as yall say a pedestrian has right of way always, umm sorry bit a four way stop is a stop!!!!! Regardless of car or person , an luckily for me an the fact i drive defensively i avoided an ignorant idiot who walked right through a stop sign in which i was already in the middle of a four way stop turning, yes if she reached the corner before me she has the right of way , but she didnt an saw me in the middle of the intersection an walked right through the stop sign, i proly wouldnt have hit her but the ignorance of road rules or what ever you want to call it , is nothing but a disgrace in this city, i road a bike in toronto for years , every day to work, never had even one close call, although maybe lucky, but, as a few on here have stated, this city if full of people who are nothing but morons that think all that matters is then, the cops do nothing about any of this crap, an who ever is handing out liecenses needs to be fired, bruce street is like a dam race track an crap loads of people racing to beat the lites at the bottom, 2 nd line just like again today a idiot racing in an out of lanes , only to zoom ahead of a couple of us , then yanking his pile of crap into the turn lane only to u turn back the other way basically infront of the high school, i feel some what bad for the young girl as it could have been a younger kid even an this ass without a liecense should have his vehilce confiscated as i am sure he will drive again legal or not, fines are not harsh enough .an punishments arent enough to stop people like this ass, but insurance companies lov it as it just gives them stats to screw us more as we all pay for such idiots, this guy should get a few months in jail an made to pay for his stay because of his crime, these morons go to bail court, get out do the same over an over, make these idiots pay for their stay in jail, put leans against their homes cars or anything else such as their pay if they work, its time to actually hurt these idiots that always are doing this shiat we cant stop morons , but we can certainly speak out an force change, yall elect these so called people to represent us , but funny how they dont, they do what their little group of elected jerks feel like, well fact is we have the right to say no or yes or this is whats needed, but people are to busy seeing only what they want for themselves, which is just how these elected want it, there will always be idiots an such , but why are the police who drive around in 150 dollar cars not doing as much as they can, example drive down west part of treelawn an see atleast four illegally parked cars that you best be aware of as its narrow, yet has been reported several times an they have done nothing, something simple yet cant get the job done
Sera 9/6/2013 8:03:44 PM Report
Excuse me but the fact that the driver had no license to drive.....that is the first nd foremost issue!!!!
The cyclist, over 10, riding on the sidewalk....Wtf!!!!! Who cares!!! This person was hit by à vehicle!
There is à person, way over 10, driving à vehicle without à freakin license!!! That is the issue!!!