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Chief Sayers still hopes for bus route

Sunday, April 21, 2013   by: Darren Taylor

Garden River First Nation Chief Lyle Sayers says he is still hopeful an agreement can be reached between his community and the City of Sault Ste. Marie in regards to greater access for Garden River residents to City Transit Services.

“We sent a letter off to the City a while back and spoke about Transit services to Garden River,” Sayers told SooToday.com.

Transit Services officials recently stated there is not enough buses or money available to make four daily trips to the First Nation community.   

However, Sayers told us “our staff spoke with the Mayor (Debbie Amaroso) and we’ll be sitting down and meeting again hopefully in the near future and how it could potentially work.”

It has been suggested by Transit Services the First Nation start its own transit service and link up passengers with the City of Sault Ste. Marie’s Riverside bus route at the corner of Trunk and Fournier Roads.

Sayers says Garden River has looked for funding from the federal government to start up its own transit service, but has been told “there are other priorities.”

“It’s always been a concern.  As a community we have a lot of students attending Sault College who need to get back and forth, other families don’t have vehicles to get to dentist and doctor appointments, just getting into town is a problem.”

“People have to arrange to get rides with friends, that’s a big part of it.  We do provide some transit service for people with appointments, but people would like to be able to get to town on their own.”

“We would like a meeting with the City to see if we could have two trips a day, what could work at a reasonable cost.  We don’t want anybody going into deficits, but let’s try it for two or three months and see how it goes.”

“Most of our money that we earn goes to the Sault, because that’s where the services are.  Let’s see what can be done,” Sayers said.

 

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crasher14 4/21/2013 6:13:56 PM Report

This Sayers guy wishes for a lot of dumb things
gumbyman 4/21/2013 6:17:41 PM Report

Good luck with the city on that one..

happy camper 4/21/2013 6:18:18 PM Report

Why should the city tax payers be on the hook for a bus out there. Then should we also be on the hook for one to heyden and goulias?
right wing 4/21/2013 6:24:48 PM Report

We can certainly relate Chief Sayers on it being difficult to get into or out of town sometimes due to a variety of issues.
KDawg 4/21/2013 6:26:50 PM Report

"...Sayers says Garden River has looked for funding from the federal government to start up its own transit service, but has been told “there are other priorities.”

Why should the federal government fund local transit? This tells you where Sayers' thinking lies.

His band receives plenty of federal and provincial funding to provide bus rides to Fournier Rd.
steve53000 4/21/2013 6:43:13 PM Report

maybe if they gave a little of the $$$$ received from the government the BUS would run
MikeQ 4/21/2013 6:47:51 PM Report

"Cost-sharing"... there's a bill that we'll get stuck with. haha
sweetthing 4/21/2013 6:48:08 PM Report

Just wondering when they protest if they will keep the bus from going through to its destination we have to reroute when it is will they Not Our city ishas no funding see our roads
sweetthing 4/21/2013 6:49:17 PM Report

Just wondering when they protest if they will keep the bus from going through to its destination we have to reroute when it is will they Not Our city has no funding see our roads
jray 4/21/2013 6:49:59 PM Report

They got 52million dollars and built a golf course and a bingo hall, but they can't afford a bus. Makes you wonder !
Verytangy 4/21/2013 6:55:50 PM Report

So they don't pay our taxes but want to use our taxes to pay for a bus? You say you aren't part of Canada but want our services?
steve53000 4/21/2013 6:59:54 PM Report

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travel as many times as needed
yup good idea
jonesur 4/21/2013 7:04:02 PM Report

Maybe he should consider taxing the lucrative "native tobacco industry", instead of looking for another handout
horseguy001 4/21/2013 7:26:39 PM Report

lmao...Idle no More... Looks like they are idle and have no way into town, Too funny. They want our services and Federal grants but also want to be free? Hey Sawyers, Why not cry and protest in the city hall lobby? How about rewritting the treaty to includ transit? This story really drums up some great laughs.
cmj 4/21/2013 7:46:41 PM Report

Well we pay taxes, we pay to ride the bus, they will not do either cause they say it's their land but without paying taxes they wouldn't have a functional society how many times must I pay for my land while someone not saying who reaps the proceeds, and gets a free bus pass?...... I own a vehicle that was probably assembled in Mexico, the man who sold it to me payed taxes, I payed tax on it and the land where it was made had nothing to do with it, I pay tax everytime I am at the pump and natives do not I don't know why we in Canada are still dependent on foreign oiI from Libya which natives have nothing to do with but it's tax free for them but not us and yes they still want to be treated the same REALLY?, i am angry I have never seen anyone from the oil and gas industry that I work in from the above mentioned band.
buddyjewel 4/21/2013 7:47:17 PM Report

Didn't Garden River owe the city several thousand dollars in fire services which had never been collected?
cmj 4/21/2013 7:50:32 PM Report

And that's freedom of speech , if sootoday deletes that I will never look at this site again it will just be local2 all the way and I will even promote it
gr84u 4/21/2013 7:51:24 PM Report

If our Mayor or City Counsil even entertains this idea in any way, shape or form then they should also entertain the idea of other employment!
busher 4/21/2013 7:53:37 PM Report

I see this as a plus for the near empty buses that run around the city now.
When we were in Australia, they had buses going out to other towns and bringing riders into their town to do their shopping etc. and have a captive rider when they are in the city.
If the city were to put it on a 6-12 mth. trial with the understanding that if it were not used it would be gone.
I could see it travelling to St.Joe turn off and to Batchewana
cmj 4/21/2013 8:00:29 PM Report

Gr84u I agree with you I will even donate $2500 to whosever campaign runs against her if I am on the hook for the bus and yes that 2500 will be after taxes
S.Claus 4/21/2013 8:07:20 PM Report

I remember IDLE NO MORE - Here's an idea - - - walk, so that you are not "IDLE NO MORE". Taxpayers money should be used for Taxpayers Services.
Post your councils incomes and you will find the money. Many Band Chiefs are making more money than the Prime Minister.
Dictionary 4/21/2013 8:09:33 PM Report

this isn't going to happen, although if GR wishes to start entertaining this sort of "cooperation", then they need to "cooperate" in ways that are mutually beneficial to both communities.
Prrrrrrr 4/21/2013 8:12:11 PM Report

Chief Lyle Sayers ... bus service summer months, in exchange for free access to Ojibway, you guys make a public beach access for all...full service canteen...good business venture there, could be extended if you do an all season park thing, how do you spell PARTNERSHIP LYLE???
Koolaid 4/21/2013 8:16:40 PM Report

I agree Garden river residents should purchase the bus and pay the driver and gas. It's a great idea. Maybe some of the Bingo proceeds and the golf course proceeds could help pay for this. If they had a bus going there they would definately have more people at thier bingo.
TFinn 4/21/2013 8:27:47 PM Report

Koolaid 4/21/2013 8:16:40 PM

LMAO ....R U kidding ....They have enough in the Rez surplus accounts to buy 1000 buses ...!! … It 's time for their band fund$ ....to be IDLE NO MORE ....!!
djmo 4/21/2013 8:49:26 PM Report

I can sure smell the racism....way to go ssm, you make me proud.
HONEST1 4/21/2013 8:53:38 PM Report

CJM you are so correct. I'm with you on that! They are bunch of jokers. Frankly why do they need a bus. It' not like those people will come to the Sault to shop and pay taxes. The few of them that do work don't work off the reserve so why do they need a bus.
Terry_H 4/21/2013 8:54:22 PM Report

Play the "racism" card... But tell me one thing that has been said that isn't a fact. You can't. Therefore it's truth, not racism.
inferno 4/21/2013 9:02:51 PM Report

it requires tax money and fares to run municipal services. the reserve should organize their own transit sytem to provide service to the sault and co-oridinate it with the sault transit.
Vindicator 4/21/2013 9:07:58 PM Report

Garden River derives the greatest benefit and are the prime users of such a service and should therefore pay for it. First Nations are given millions of Canadian taxpayers dollars every year, why should these same taxpayers have to dig deeper. Why should the city have to subsidize Garden River?
Prrrrrrr 4/21/2013 9:09:08 PM Report

It's not racism...it's business...there could be a liability thing as well...not city property, outside city limits. I hate it when the people play the racism card. Pretty sure if the city can make money on the deal they will do it!!! Certainly not good business to cut a deal via the media...be a business man and do some negotiating!!!
proud mom 4/21/2013 9:48:26 PM Report

HONEST1 Where the hell do you think these people buy their groceries and clothing?? Idiot!
lemongin 4/21/2013 10:03:16 PM Report

Wow according to this city racism is the answer, I laugh at people who say natives sit at home. I know many natives who attend Sault College, work in this city and live on the reserve. This town is full of racist and naive people. There are many children and elderly on the reserve who struggle to make it here to shop, oh shit they spend there money here and support our local businesses. It's ok Garden River and all other reserves not all white people are against you, I truely believe this would be a great idea and i applaud Sayers for trying to help his people. Keep standing up for what you believe in.
Change 2007 4/21/2013 10:10:07 PM Report

Mr Sayers doesn't seem to have a problem to get his people into town for an "Idle No More" demonstration.

Did the Mayor reimburse the band for their transportation costs?

Enough is enough, when the hell will this crap stop. Let's settle the land issue once and for all, let First Nations be self governed and be done with it.

The white man wasn't too smart back in the day of the treaty's either, we weren't there to know how things went down. Settle this crap once and for all so we can all live peacefully.
Acidtrip 4/21/2013 10:13:52 PM Report

Blah blah blah, I have nothing intelligent to say so you're all racists. Anyone who disagrees with the indians are racists, anyone that thinks they shouldn't get SQUAT from the government is racist. If that's the case then I guess anyone with a brain is racist. In my opinion its the ones screaming racism that are of low intelligence and cannot form an intelligent argument, so...blah blah blah, racists!!!
LAD 4/21/2013 10:41:49 PM Report

If people used their real names when posting comments we wouldn't be reading this garbage. It is obvious that most of these posters, are just a bunch of uneducated hillbillies, sitting in front of their computer screen, waiting to spew their ignornance concerning any article about First Nations.
Acidtrip 4/21/2013 10:43:44 PM Report

...says an anonymous user who hurls insults without posting his real name.
Acidtrip 4/21/2013 10:55:46 PM Report

Also if you want to seem more educated than everyone else, learn when to use a comma and when not to use one. I believe they taught that pretty early in school.
asp 4/21/2013 10:56:01 PM Report

Hey don't you think Garden River should provide their members with a bus to come into town. They have a company in Garden River that can do the job, and charge $5.00 to off set cost. Easy solution!!!!!
paw65 4/21/2013 11:39:14 PM Report

Doesnt Gord Bossineau have buses, give him the money, and maybe he will do it.
Constance 4/22/2013 12:51:07 AM Report

I think that Chief Sayers should use some of the money they already have, buy a bus, hire a driver and make a few runs to town...problem solved...no
Honestysucks 4/22/2013 12:51:57 AM Report

Forget Garden River they want a Bus service go buy a bus themselves and payfor it with your budget you gets get from the government every year!!! How come there isn’t a bus every couple times a day to the people to service Prince Township area which is closer to city limits then Garden River, and would be paid by people that actually pay taxes
dandrew61 4/22/2013 1:02:34 AM Report

People have the right to express their feelings about issues they don’t agree with such as Idle No More, but nothing justifies racism and racial slurs.
It should be obvious a bus route through Garden River, Prince Township and other outlying areas will be inevitable as the city grows but as “buddyjewel” said earlier, what happened with that fire services debt? I remember something about Garden River refusing to pay monies in arrears and the city cutting of services. If the city negotiates any deal it should keep past payments, monies owed and credit standings into account. Let’s not have another deal like we did with the fires services.
Stugatzu 4/22/2013 1:47:23 AM Report

Garden River has enough money to buy their own bus and hire their own driver. The city should not be providing city bus services in/out of Garden River -- considering that the city bus services are paid for by municipal taxes the people of SAULT STE. MARIE.

Garden River simply wants to exploit municipal transit services because that way they won't have to take money out of their own reserve to help their people, create jobs for their people and they won't have to pay wages, liability insurance, fuel and maintenance costs on equipment. They'd rather have it on the Sault tax payer's dime. Buying a bus, purchasing liability insurance, building a terminal/garage/depot, creating the job positions supervisor, dispatcher,fleet mechanic, and driver -- and paying for maintenance, fuel, wages.. etc... will bleed the reserve dry.. because the handful of people that will ride the bus daily to/from the reserve daily won't be able to sustain the service unless they charge a $5-10 per person usage fee; so instead... a petty attempt to try to stick it to Sault Ste. Marie's tax payers.

I highly doubt that people like the Mayor or council members read these forums -- but I'll openly say that I will oppose and vote against the mayor and my ward representatives if they motion in favour of supplying out-of-towners with municipally funded transit services.


In no way are my comments and opinions racist. I harbor no ill will towards native people; I simply won't stand for services my taxes pay for, to benefit someone who doesn't contribute to the system that provides them. Buying groceries.. going to school, etc.. here in Sault Ste. Marie doesn't pay for transit services -- Sault Ste. Marie's property taxes do!
Mr Cloudy 4/22/2013 4:59:26 AM Report

Shows peoples true colors...I moved here from down south a while ago and it still hasn't changed from the most racist town in my perspective...especially this site that allows hate and racism live on sootoday...so proud I guess...how people take little info with their little minds to come up with hate...lol...good old home schooled rednecks...sad, hope these people are not parents...some people just have shitty lives and gotta blame someone,,,natives have always been the target here...how about you meatballs idle no more and get off the pity pot...haters! Welcome to the pride of the north, the new Indians to the area, trust me, they talk about you all the time...you will never be white and wont be accepted here, school, church and everywhere in the soo, cause your not white..what do they call you...welcome back to a colonial oppressive state with a society entrench on other peoples lands, sure it sounds familiar, its the common wealth...hopefully essar and all the macs go somewhere where else where you will be accepted.. this city is not for you or your children (you don't want your children going through this system, its ugly here when they are alone from their parents...fight back and leave them to their hell...take all your money with you...us natives don't have a choice, this is our home...would love to see this, maybe in the future native will call the shots and give us both an environment where all are treated as equal...so partner with the surrounding first nations if u choose to stay...you will see that environment your seeking to thrive in...they called us Indians, not us,,,they needed a name until they accepted who we are, they still are not sure who we are..lmao...im sure you get it...lol...good luck Garden River, keep trying...maybe you will get to be apart of this soo society in a equal waY...the environment is more sour here than in the tar sands of Alberta... keep up your good work Chief!
amm 4/22/2013 6:17:48 AM Report

This is not an "us" against "them" issue. I wish people would read their posts before they submit them. Both groups need to meet and try and come up with a solution. The Sault and area is a great place to live and a daiy bus for residents from all outling communities would benefit everyone from store owners to revenue for the City transit system. Be nice ppl.
Sam The Dog 4/22/2013 7:05:37 AM Report

@ buddyjewel
Shush, Quiet, We are all suppose to forget about that.
freedom1 4/22/2013 7:31:42 AM Report

Sorry First Nations I think most white people are behind you's, its a few bad apples racist and cry babys, that are against you. They say "waa waa my life sucks and I want First Nations life to suck too". Don't act like their is nobody in the Zoo {Soo} on welfare. How come joginosh don't mind their taxes going to foreign lands or to fight wars that have nothing to do with us or for fake lakes or jet fighters we don't need, but they can't stand helping out their own neighbours in Garden River which will in turn help the local economy out. Oh yeah their RACIST.
Right Winger 4/22/2013 7:36:11 AM Report

Why would the taxpayers of Sault Ste Marie pay for bus service for another city? What Chief Sayers should do is find the money in his budget to pay for the service. I would say the same if the reeve of Gros Cap or Heyden or Goulais wanted the service. However he must understand the discord he will face from Sault Ste Marie taxpayers for the Idle No More protests. Why is it racist to not be supportive of the way they protest?
sootodayreader 4/22/2013 7:49:35 AM Report

Sayers is just crazy. Self government with Canada paying for it.
All he does is waste the governments time.
Sam The Dog 4/22/2013 8:02:05 AM Report

@ mrcloudy
Just for fun change the community from GRFN to The Village of Echo Bay. Echo Bay's Mayor and Council is requesting transit services from the City of SSM at no cost. I believe the comments would remain the same and that would take the "Race Card" out of the equation.
When things don't go in favor of First Nations, OUT COMES THE RACE CARD !
sunshine100 4/22/2013 8:27:09 AM Report

I think the city should ask why we still can't have a snowmachine trail through the reserve. Anyone who wants to go from the soo to sudbury by snowmachine has to travel their machine past the reserve as the reserve does not allow a trail to go through. Maybe we can make a trade?????
guestwho 4/22/2013 8:27:54 AM Report

He wants to be self governing,not self supporting,isn`t that everyones dream!
Dreamer 4/22/2013 8:59:15 AM Report

I think Chief Sayers should look at getting a bus over to Soo Michigan! Or better yet, maybe a boat(ferry) like the one that goes to Sugar Island!

And for the most part, First Nations don't get money from taxes...it's from the resources they take from the land. If you didn't know that? Why?
Stevie-E 4/22/2013 9:14:56 AM Report

Bahahahahahhhahahahaha! I have seen/heard it all.

Some people have a lot of nerve...you should really stock up on some dream catchers, Mr. Sayers!
Vindicator 4/22/2013 9:15:20 AM Report

Generally speaking, it is those who first play the racist card and call people bigots in a discussion are the ones that are the true racists and bigots. It is the easy way out of a discussion because it doesn't require intelligence or thought. In a democratic society we are allowed to have opinions that do not have to agree with each other, if you listen to other opinions you just may learn something and be the better for it.

Garden River is not part and parcel of the Soo and they want you to know that in no uncertain terms. They also have a history of not paying their bills, changing the rules to suit their purposes, not honoring contracts and when the Leaders change they deny responsibility for commitments made by the previous Leader.

Chief Sayers states that there are those in his community that have a difficult time getting to medical appointments, shopping or other functions. Well, the same can be said for people living in Echo Bay, Prince Township, Goulais River and even the Soo itself. Any changes in transit routes should be for the benefit of the people in the Soo, first and foremost since they are the ones taxed for these services and it is not right that they should be subsidizing other communities. Any service provided to other communities should be based them paying for such services and if they need to be subsidized then the ratepayers in those areas should be the ones shouldering the burden.

In reality there is an easy solution to this problem, but as long as people want to play the race and bigot cards it won't get resolved.
Stevie-E 4/22/2013 9:18:32 AM Report

@Vindicator

Bang on. Thanks for posting the truth and what needed to be said.
Acidtrip 4/22/2013 9:37:57 AM Report

Well said vindicator. I haven't seen one racist comment...it's called an opinion. Maybe look up racism in a dictionary all you idiots that are so quick to throw that word out. Any outlying community would get the same response if they wanted bus service without having to pay for it. Everyone is so programmed to be politically correct now that if someone has an opinion that differs from a certain group they are automatically tagged as racist. Everyone that's fired that word off on this article needs to grow up, form your own thoughts and accept that maybe sometimes others have a different opinion. Maybe get an education while you're at it because you truly sound stupid.
Dictionary 4/22/2013 9:49:30 AM Report

ya... there's no racism on here. i myself would welcome GR with open arms into our community should they wish to join it... the good and the bad. instead, they wish to reap benefits of our taxation system without contributing to the public coffers, and that strikes a nerve with hard working people. a lot of local people also have difficulties with our local first nations because they often take up their beef with the federal government by doing things that impact locals aka blocking the highway. many locals see these type of protests as counter productive temper tantrums that drive a wedge between the sault, and it's neighbouring FN communities. As stated, when the bands want to join the community I await with open arms, but as long as they employ isolationist mentality, they can anticipate being "isolated" from our municipal services.
T-pot 4/22/2013 9:51:31 AM Report

First things first. Stop calling racism. Google it, and find the meaning of the name. There isn't racism in any post i have read. Just a bunch of backward thinkers.

Secondly, Garden River and Rankin pay a HUGE bundle of money to the school board for FN children to attend school in our district. No where did it say Chief Sayers was opposed to doing a similar option to the City for the bus.

People should do some research before spewing off comments. Most hatred is driven by ignorance.

yargon 4/22/2013 9:58:21 AM Report

Does the local Greyhound Bus go through Garden River?
Right Winger 4/22/2013 9:59:51 AM Report

“We would like a meeting with the City to see if we could have two trips a day, what could work at a reasonable cost. We don’t want anybody going into deficits, but let’s try it for two or three months and see how it goes.”

He kinda says that there.

Sault Transit Services has rejected the idea based on budgetery constraints. If Sayers were willing to pay, their would be no budgetary constraints.
uh? 4/22/2013 10:02:46 AM Report

I don't see what the problem would be for the transit bus to go into Garden River, even if it only went to the Rec center or Bingo Hall. It would be an extra five minutes of driving. If Garden would contribute a bit of money to the cause I don't see what the big deal is?
Terry_H 4/22/2013 10:16:11 AM Report

Really sootoday? Deleting that post? You guys are pathetic. You have my phone number on file. Call me and explain to me what was so wrong. Any well thought out, educated points, you guys delete yet let these idiots spew filth. No wonder you guys are the laughing stock of the media world.
Mr Cloudy 4/22/2013 10:19:55 AM Report

Ok those that call the RACE CARD...to me I have a Race card ,,,its red and white and has a number that identifies me...we know it’s a wrong act to decide which race you belong too...well Canada does it, and so did NAZI Germany with the Jews with a star...What other nationality has a race card...lmao...NONE, so an outdated colonel system still in play, the race cards are laminated and paper and a pic , no fancy card or credit card like some say,,,its has a purpose...we know it, do you...lol...that's when your uniformed and boxed into your beliefs that this Government loves you...keep thinking and you will find its a lie...you bully people on here and soon it will be a crime so keep bulling ,,, it’s the world we live in,,,BIG BUSINESS bullies GOVERNMENT bullies PEOPLE bullies children...children bully each other...this is good to who...open your mind and the rest will follow...plz
kamen 4/22/2013 10:44:37 AM Report

I think it is a good idea. I mean I walked to Beaumont Trailer park and it only took me 4 hours to walk there, and that's with sitting down and taking breaks. I imagine if everyone bought a bike they could make it to and from garden river or heyden in less than half that time....but not everyone is in good physical health to be able to ride a bike.....I would support a trial period to have a bus going from Garden River to the Sault.
freedom1 4/22/2013 10:53:33 AM Report

Sorry First Nations I think most white people are behind you's, its a few bad apples racist and cry babys, that are against you. They say "waa waa my life sucks and I want First Nations life to suck too". Don't act like their is nobody in the Zoo {Soo} on welfare. How come joginosh don't mind their taxes going to foreign lands or to fight wars that have nothing to do with us or for fake lakes or jet fighters we don't need, but they can't stand helping out their own neighbours in Garden River which will in turn help the local economy out. Oh yeah their RACIST.
buddyjewel 4/22/2013 11:04:32 AM Report

@ amm
"I wish people would read their posts before they submit them."

With all due respect I think the word"daiy" is spelled daily!

"I wish people would read their posts before they submit them."
Dreamer 4/22/2013 11:04:49 AM Report

TerryH is that all you can say? Complain about language? haha Big L ;)
Dreamer 4/22/2013 11:08:52 AM Report

Comparing tragedies...mmmm Residential schools were jus one of them!
Acidtrip 4/22/2013 11:12:06 AM Report

If we want to end racism then every race, creed and colour needs to be treated as equals. The First Nations have no interest in being equals. They want their own set of laws and rules along with the Canadian government throwing millions at them to help them out. This is backwards thinking...letting the past dictate who you are today. If you're a proud and independent people then start showing it because people are sick of paying for the past. Crying over spilled milk is all its become.
MsNic 4/22/2013 11:21:28 AM Report

This isn't a race issue for me it is a financial issue. Isn't Garden River asking SSM for bus service like Calgary asking Edmonton tax payers to pay for their bus transportation? Hamilton wouldn't pay for Burlington's bus transportation. Rather than digging in someone else's pocket, dig in your own, we are 2 different communities.
freedom1 4/22/2013 12:26:00 PM Report

To Terry_H you say "please learn english before posting" how about this NO haha you don't tell me what to do. and obviously I do know english but don't see any need to get a masters in it. why can't I make up my own words snoop dog does. What are you some kind of control freak.

To Acidtrip you say "everyone needs to be treated as equals" That is very true and I agree with you. However First Nations are not being treated as equals actually less than equals.
The United Nations has stated that the situation of the First Nations is one of Canada’s most pressing human rights issues. Last year, a Community Well-Being Index developed by DIAND found that in the top 100 Canadian
communities, there was one First Nation community. In the bottom 100, there were 92 First Nation communities. While spending for regular Canadians social safety net increases, for First Nations they are stagnant while they are the fastest growing population means they are getting less.
So while you say you want people to be equal why are you trying to hold First Nations down, hypocrite.
THE Warrior 4/22/2013 12:27:11 PM Report

So you say your not racist.. I say you all have a lot of anger towards natives that you need to deal with.. Each and every time there is a feed about First Nations people.. You can just feel the hate.. I feel sorry for the constant need to deliver your angry rants.. It's not racism, it is a level of hate that is being shown towards your neighbor.. As for Idle No More.. The summer is gonna be a long one if your planning on using the highway through Garden River.. Now you have a reason to be angry. Lets hear it..
Acidtrip 4/22/2013 12:49:58 PM Report

What you wrote Freedom may be true but its their need to segregate themselves in their own communities in the middle of nowhere that's the issue. Either live off the land and accept that it its not going to be easy or integrate into society like every other group/race, whatever you want to call it in Canada or quit whining. And Warrior...people like you are the ones that generate hate. Go ahead and cut Garden River off...see how long your businesses last.
Slim Shady 4/22/2013 12:50:49 PM Report

@THE Warrior

This is not a FN vs. “whitey” issue. People are not being racist. We would object if the people of Echo Bay or Goulais asked for the same thing.

Why would the City put a public transit route out to GR? Where do you draw the municipal service boundary? What about Echo Bay? Goulais? Heyden? These communities have people with transportation issues too? What about the prohibitive cost per rider? How do you justify the expense? Who pays for it? Is GR prepared to pay the Lion’s share of it? What is wrong with GR buying a good used school bus and providing their residents with the shuttle service to the City limits?

You talk big nonsense with your ill conceived rights to blockade a Federal transportation artery. All non-aboriginal people are sick of FN terrorist antics to try and continually extort money out the rest of Canadians. This nonsense will stop and your people will be at the losing end of the situation. Quit stirring up hatred where there is none. FN people have to realize that the rest Canadians are entitled to disagree with your views…. This is not considered racism in a democracy.
Acidtrip 4/22/2013 12:57:11 PM Report

Another thing Freedom...tell me why these communities should get all the benefits of ya paying Canadians without paying taxes? NO DESIRE TO BE EQUAL.
THE Warrior 4/22/2013 1:01:41 PM Report

Shady..I didn't say racism.. i said Hate.. get your facts straight.. You call First Nations Peoples antics terrorism.. LOL that is a good one.. There is only one true terrorist group in this world.. And you know who you are Shady.
Acidtrip 4/22/2013 1:02:45 PM Report

*tax paying Canadians*
Acidtrip 4/22/2013 1:04:42 PM Report

...and warrior confirms his racism towards white people.
THE Warrior 4/22/2013 1:10:18 PM Report

Not racism Acid.. its a fact jack
Acidtrip 4/22/2013 1:16:44 PM Report

It's actually not a fact in any way, shape or form. Time to get back to school or possibly Google the meaning of the word fact. Idiot.
Right Winger 4/22/2013 1:18:52 PM Report

Barrack Obama is Black. He is a Democrat. I disagree with his policies.

According to some of you I am racist for that.

So I guess because I don't like Justin Trudeau I don't like Quebecers?



THE Warrior 4/22/2013 1:21:16 PM Report

Embarrassment and humiliation is a usual defense.. Then name calling.. Africa,North America, New Zealand if that is the way you spell it or how about Australia.. if i'm wrong please correct me.. Probably a lot more that i can't think of right now.. How about slavery, genocide.. sound familiar..
Acidtrip 4/22/2013 1:24:08 PM Report

Wow, just wow. Any of that happening to YOU RIGHT NOW? No? Didn't think so.
THE Warrior 4/22/2013 1:27:45 PM Report

actually in a different form.. The Harper government is trying to bring First Nations people to extinction.. A act of terrorism indeed..
Acidtrip 4/22/2013 1:32:26 PM Report

You should also google extinction. What you really need to do is take a lesson from the Jewish people who had it a hell of a lot worse than your people ever did on how to move forward and stop living in the past. Grow up.
THE Warrior 4/22/2013 1:35:32 PM Report

Acid.. thanks for showing your inhumane thinking.. You are an example of the true misguided hate we deal with every day.. You should mind your manners.. As for growing up, call names then tell someone to grow up.. really..
Acidtrip 4/22/2013 1:39:22 PM Report

Inhumane thinking? Please explain, I'd love to hear it.
freedom1 4/22/2013 1:41:41 PM Report

To Acidtrip First Nations didn't segregate themselves this was all their land it was the colonialist that put them there out of sight out of mind. First Nations peoples should be able to live anywhere in Canada without losing any of their rights. Its my opinion that anyone from a reserve should be able to live in any town, any when they buy a house on a property, that property should become reserve land and have no property tax on it and that person should pay no tax. However when someone moves off the reserve they pay property tax and gst tax along with other taxes, hey surprise surprise First Nations pay taxes, so stop saying they don't you uneducated people.
THE Warrior 4/22/2013 1:43:23 PM Report

it's evident you type first then read later.. have a good look at your comments. You'll see.
freedom1 4/22/2013 1:45:43 PM Report

To Acidtrip ... take lessons from the Jewish people? you mean like getting nuclear bombs to protect their land and start wars? Actually First Nations people are alot more peaceful than that.
Stugatzu 4/22/2013 1:45:48 PM Report

Fairly weak and pathetic counter-points from FN people when they start slinging words like racist, genocide, hypocrite etc..

The issue at hand is that Garden River wants Sault Ste. Marie's tax payers to cover the cost of providing public transportation services to/from the Garden River reserve.

You want a SSM Transit bus to pick you up on the reserve...we'll let you charter a city bus, but we'll insist that you pay for it up front. No credit or financial good faith will be extended. Either that... or provide your own bus to drop you off at the city limits, and then you can pay to use our MUNICIPAL TRANSIT SYSTEM.

While your chief claims there will be a "fair use" fee... we still remember the $180,000 GR FN still owed to Sault Ste. Marie for fire services rendered several years ago, which still hasn't been paid. Guess who covered that unpaid cost -- the tax payers of Sault Ste. Marie. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

The people of WEST of Allen Side Road, Prince Township, Red Rock and Gros Cap are all closer to Saultites than the autonomous nation of Garden River - and they don't get city bus services... why should you?
Slim Shady 4/22/2013 1:49:18 PM Report

@ THE Warrior

Yes I know who I am – A PROUD CANADIAN.

When it comes to “hating” I believe in equality and consistency REGARDLESS OF YOUR ETHNICITY. Let me tell you who/what I hate (which includes but is not limited to): Laziness, people who don’t pay their taxes or demand to pay less than their share, people on continual or generational welfare, people who refuse to finish their high school education, terrorists, criminals and people who refuse to abide by the accepted laws of this democracy, people who demand special status, people who generally want everybody else to take care of them… If this fits your ethnicity, than yes I do not stand for who you are or what you represent.

In this world you are the only person that can change yourself for the better. People who dwell on the past have condemned their future. With a name handle such as “THE Warrior” you obviously hold on to ideology that is irrelevant in a peaceful and progressive society. You are angry and militant; you Sir see hate in everyone who disagrees to your point of view.
Acidtrip 4/22/2013 1:51:52 PM Report

And nobody alive today was affected by the colonialists. Stop living in the past. How many cultures in the world weren't displaced or had mass numbers of them killed by another at some point in history? What makes this one so special? I'm part Scottish so I guess the English should be making up for what they did to my ancestors in the past right? Stupid backwards thinking is what will keep the First Nation people's in this rut until they learn to stand on their own.
Hidden 4/22/2013 1:54:08 PM Report

I am actually quite insulted by all the racists accusations being made. Try looking at yourself folks. I see someone calling us rednecks and then someone else saying we're the only terrorists. Really? Natives leave their reserves/territories to come and work in our cities. However, try and get a job on the reserve if you're not native. Good luck with that!! I was told that the only criteria to get a job working at their bingo hall is you have to be a native. WOW and we're racist?? You want to work in our city but don't want us to work on the reserve especially as I'm told that no one from the reserve wants to work at the bingo hall...hmmmmmmm
freedom1 4/22/2013 2:03:38 PM Report

Ever cheap you's people don't want to help the less fortunate. If you don't want to help your brothers just what would you like to do with your tax payer money give bonuses to ceo's and big business or spend billions on fighter planes to kill people. Right now the rich people are laughing at you because you fallen in their trap. The rich hide billions in off shore accounts to evade taxes. You should focus your frustration on the rich because they are the ones that want the lower class to fight amongst themselves while they get richer and you get poorer and your falling for it.
And you Christian right wingers are hypocrites because just ask yourself what would Jesus do? Love your neighbour as yourself and Garden River and its people are your neighbour. When Jesus had 2 little fishes he shared it equally with everyone he didn't give some people more than other based on their race. Your jealous that some people don't pay as much tax as you. If you don't want to pay tax take it up with your government don't blame First Nations.
Boomer4771 4/22/2013 2:06:06 PM Report

As a Canadian and tax payer, I owe first nations people nothing. They have been paid in full 10 times over and yet want more and more. I think all treaties that where signed so long ago should be burnt and the government grow some balls and treat everyone equal as Canadians. lets face it. The Chiefs request is un reasonable. It would be a loss of city income due to not enough people using the buses. Why go further in debt. When does it stop????
freedom1 4/22/2013 2:16:05 PM Report

To Boomer
when does it stop?

It stops when you's people stop putting money before people.
Acidtrip 4/22/2013 2:21:31 PM Report

Haha Freedom, your so called 'leaders' are doing that as we speak. Get off your high horse.
freedom1 4/22/2013 2:33:22 PM Report

To Acidtrip
my leaders and your leaders thats what I'm sayin we should be on the same side, but it was your leaders that set up the corrupt system for our leaders. Man should not be ruled by other men.
Hidden 4/22/2013 2:43:39 PM Report

Okay freedom1 what exactly have your people done to help their neighbours??
THE Warrior 4/22/2013 2:47:04 PM Report

Sickening.. that is all i can say.. your all sick.. You all need to go see a good doctor to deal with those anger issues..
sootodayreader 4/22/2013 2:51:40 PM Report

Sayers loves creating mayhem. I just wish one of these days the people that live on one of these reserves would elect someone who really wants to do something for there people instead of robbing them. Sayers lives like a king while his people live on welfare.
THE Warrior 4/22/2013 2:54:02 PM Report

he lives like a king.. lol.. No he doesn't..lol.. lives like a king..You know him personally, i do.. lol lives like a king..
freedom1 4/22/2013 3:04:25 PM Report

To Hidden
The europeans came across to this land it was the natives that fed him and showed him how to live with the land otherwise they all would of starved to death, how about that for starters. The natives shared the land with them and now the land is taken for granted and being destroyed and now the people that profited from the natural resources are ungrateful.
Hidden 4/22/2013 3:15:34 PM Report

Bahahaha - the original people who profited from the natural resources are dead. The natives who taught our ANCESTORS how to live off the land are dead. Quit living in the past, live in the present and learn how to stand on your own two feet. You want to be a sovereign nation until it no longer suits you. Then you want us to give you handouts and services. Get over yourself and while I'm at it, take advantage of some of the free schooling you get (which by the way we do not get) and take an English class or two because last time I checked you's is not a word. The pleural of you is still you!
Dreamer 4/22/2013 3:31:13 PM Report

Hidden you better go back too!
freedom1 4/22/2013 3:43:55 PM Report

To Hidden
You's may or may not be a word but either is your "Bahahaha". I'm not living in the past that is impossible unless your a time traveler but I know history unlike you's who don't want to think about the history maby you feel guilty and want to ignore history. Why don't you go rob or kill somebody those laws were written a long time ago so stop living in the past. you's logic makes no sense. Don't act like your money is going to pay for First Nations. And don't act like your not getting a handout either Hidden you's are getting a handout and don't even realize it!!!
Acidtrip 4/22/2013 3:48:24 PM Report

Your point gets lost when the grammar is so bad it gives you a headache to make sense of it.
Stugatzu 4/22/2013 3:55:58 PM Report

Rather than providing valid and coherent debate material about _why_ Garden River should be receiving public transit services from a municipality they don't belong to at the expense of the municipality; we have half-wit morons trying to give history lessons about hardships people past generations suffered. That horse has been beaten, and long dead. When you start flap-jawing that bullshit as your basis for argument you're automatically tuned out by ~100% of the people you want help from.

The ones that are posting who are clearly natives ignore the key issue: WHY SHOULD SAULT STE. MARIE TAX PAYERS PAY FOR A SERVICE THAT ONLY BENEFITS GARDEN RIVER? Buy your own bus, hire your own driver, hire your own mechanic and run your own schedule -- at the expense of the Reserve. If members of the reserve needs transportation THE RESERVE CAN PAY FOR IT, NOT THE TAX PAYERS OF SAULT STE. MARIE.
freedom1 4/22/2013 4:05:15 PM Report

To Acidtrip
my grammar is not so bad she is in her 90's and she is still doing well.

To Stugatzu
WHY SHOULD SAULT STE. MARIE TAX PAYERS PAY FOR A SERVICE THAT ONLY BENEFITS GARDEN RIVER?
Answer: Its called helping out your fellow man. If they were in the position to help you out would you not want them to.
Verytangy 4/22/2013 4:11:56 PM Report

@freedom1

No actually I don't want your help. I have my grownup pants on and don't take handouts thank you very much. Tell me to go rob and kill someone? You have issues my dear. Might I suggest consulting with a psychiatrist?
Acidtrip 4/22/2013 4:17:28 PM Report

You mean the people that block the highway illegally and purposely make people late for work, appointments etc? Sorry, I have no reason to want to help you when you act like spoiled little brats when you don't get your way.
sootodayreader 4/22/2013 4:40:53 PM Report

I wish the native communities would join Canada and they would see that they would be treated just like any other tax paying Canadian. The problem is with the chiefs and grand chiefs that teach negativity among the people which has not done anything to improve there lives.
The chiefs are the ones with an economic stake in keeping natives down.
buddyjewel 4/22/2013 5:00:10 PM Report

@ freedom 1

Helping out a neighbour / brother?
Have you heard the story about teaching someone to fish and he'll feed himself for life....you give him a fish and you only feed him for a day?

I love that story!
freedom1 4/22/2013 5:42:15 PM Report

To Verytangy
You have your grownup pants on and still acting like a child "mine, mine, mine"
I was told I was living in the past because I wanted treaties that were old and before our time to be honored. I'm saying stealing and murder was in the 10 commandments over 2000 years ago yet we still follow them so why not treaties that are alot more recent than that.

To Acidtrip
Believe it or not there are people who think you's are spoiled little brats and are tired of giving you handouts. Go to Alberta and see what they think of Ontario, they are tired of all the handouts your getting.

To buddyjewel
yes I like that story too, but too bad big business and you's supporting it have destroyed most of the fish and the fish that is left have mercury in it that's not safe to eat.
guard1 4/22/2013 5:49:30 PM Report

Holy mackeral , I cant beliieve the amont of time and energy spent on this issue on this forum. There is nothing wrong with the chief meeting with mayor deb on this request. There is nothing to say that it will go to the next stage. Who knows maybe the city will sell them one of the used buses. That would be a bonus to the city and a form of additonal revenue. If you posters are concerned that it will cost you additional taxes then express your concerns to your councilers not only on this issue but on many others that cost us taxpayers needlessly and not only at budget time but throughout the year. Keep council on there toes and you will reep the benefits when it comes to budget time .
Stugatzu 4/22/2013 6:05:01 PM Report

freedom1: Helping my fellow man? You're ridiculous and you must be joking. My taxes pay for _MY_ community and services in _MY_ community. Garden River isn't part of Sault Ste. Marie, and doesn't pay taxes towards services in Sault Ste. Marie.

You seriously must have your head so far up your own ass that you don't know what time of day it is.
freedom1 4/22/2013 6:36:20 PM Report

To Stugatzu
your taxes don't pay for your community services otherwise Canada wouldn't owe
$609,821,659,999. Thats $609 billion. What you pay in taxes doesn't even come close to covering your expenses. Your share is over $17,000 so why don't you pay what you owe if you can stand on your own two feet. Why don't you stop taking handouts. Next time you go to the hospital tell them you want to pay because you don't take handouts and you can stand on your own two feet.
Coles_Mom 4/22/2013 6:47:53 PM Report

It makes me sad to see how divided Sault Ste. Marie is :( To much anger :(
happy camper 4/22/2013 6:49:41 PM Report

WOW !!!
freedom1 4/22/2013 6:58:32 PM Report

God will punish you's racist
Acidtrip 4/22/2013 7:01:07 PM Report

I've lived in Alberta you dimwit. While there I was getting paid more, paid less taxes, paid less for gas...the list is endless. If you think the a erage person in Alberta is jealous of Ontario you clearly have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
Acidtrip 4/22/2013 7:29:27 PM Report

I bet our share in the debt would go down considerably if the natives started paying as much as we do and weren't getting constant handouts from the government.
Acidtrip 4/22/2013 7:56:21 PM Report

It's you're not your. You're welcome.
Stugatzu 4/22/2013 8:19:22 PM Report

Freedom1 -- actually yes, my municipal taxes DO pay for municipal services such as public transportation, fire services, police services, road repair. You'd know that if you lived within city limits. You're clearly an ignorant and uninformed person who doesn't live within city limits. Nothing to do with federal taxes, it is municipal taxes.... you know... the taxes you would pay if you lived in Sault Ste. Marie. Clearly you don't... so I wouldn't expect you to know.

There's three levels of taxation: municipal, provincial and federal. Go back to school or at least educate yourself on the differences between the three before you start flap-jawing and open up that sewer you call a mouth.
Stugatzu 4/22/2013 8:21:36 PM Report

And to say that "I" am taking hand-out... I pay taxes on all three levels that I mentioned previously.

For a native to say that "I" take hand-outs... is the pot calling the kettle black.
crasher14 4/22/2013 9:24:05 PM Report

They always expects things handed to them -education, tax dollars , idle no more , all the money us tax payers gave them for the new highway list goes on and on .. Walk into town if that's what it takes !!
cmj 4/22/2013 11:35:08 PM Report

I aswell work in Alberta but own a house here, I pay less taxes there because mostly all the natives there are métis and not status so that's why the taxes are cheaper there, the government hands out status cards here like flyers.
And as for the comments above about white people being jealous cause natives don't pay tax WRONG
I work for my money, own my home, own my vehicle and tell my kids how important it is to pay tax and support the reserve because the same kids they go to school with their parents don't wanna go to work or pay tax so I have to so their kids can get my tax money to eat........
P.s. I did work in the diamond mine In attawapiskat they got first pick on the hiring mostly everyone quit before the job was over than they blocked off the road cause they wanted more money we had to pay them to get food into us they were payed millions upon millions THAN CHEIF Theresa spence go idling down to the parliament buildings rallying for more I am outraged I would buy a blood diamond first now, and not only with that said they had people from her band here advertising on this very site last year, saying they were only in town for another week needing donations really where did their debeers money go they got for diamonds that didn't even come off the reservation? this is nuts
cmj 4/22/2013 11:43:26 PM Report

Acidtrip you are 100 % right , I think I need a raise I am gonna have to get my kids to block off the highway and parade around with make up jk
freedom1 4/23/2013 6:57:53 AM Report

To cmj
you're raising your kids to be prejudice, you are evil bad parent and any good your paying taxes are doing are being taken away by the evil hatred you are spreading.
freedom1 4/23/2013 7:20:14 AM Report

listen to what John Lennon says "either give now or die later"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MVcXGq3JmI
Right Winger 4/23/2013 8:00:52 AM Report

You people on here who pull the race card out or the redneck card I have a question for you.

Why do you only engage with those who you feel are racist? Why not engage with those on here that have made comments on here that have nothing to do with race? Just sayin.
Right Winger 4/23/2013 8:20:08 AM Report

Also, Sayers neglects to poing out any benefit for Sault Taxpayers to provide this service to Garden River.

Sault Ste Marie's roads are a joke, and we don't have enough money in the budget to fix them all. Why then should Sault Taxpayers funnel money from other departments in order to service another town.

Garden River opened a Bingo Hall on its land that falls under Federal Juristiction. Therefore not forced to abide by the Provincial Non-Smoking laws. Thus put other bingos within city limits out of business hurting local charaties. How much money does that Bingo make from Sault Ste Marie residents? Now he wants us to make that easier?

Again as I stated, this has nothing to do with race. It has to do with location location location. Did we as Sault Ste Marie pull some services away from outlying "non-native" areas due to budgetary constraints? Did we not pull police service and/or fire from Prince Township?

Millertime69 4/23/2013 8:25:35 AM Report

Sault Transit buses will "IDLE NO MORE"
in Garden River!!!
Bib 4/24/2013 10:10:46 AM Report

One comment: Pointe Des Chenes, Pointe Aux Pins, Point Louise, Air Port Rd, Nakomis Beach and Sunnyside Beach all in the city. All pay high taxes and no bus service west of Nixon Rd.
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