Retreaded 3/9/2013 7:49:11 AM Report
Come on young people...with all the knowledge thrown your way about drinking and driving...SMARTEN UP. It is dissapointing to see an 18 year old being charged.
sooperman 3/9/2013 9:05:01 AM Report
Should she not be charged with drinking under the legal age as well?
sweetc 3/9/2013 9:51:24 AM Report
Lord here we go again. How many posters on here have ever driven over the legal limit? I think I only know of a handful of people who can truthfully say that. Whether you went out on a bender the night before went to bed really really late and drove to work for your 6 a.m. shift or left the bar after 4 beer and drove home because you did not feel affected and would never drive drunk. News flash... even the next morning after a bender you are still over the legal limit.
So what I am saying is don't take the holier than thou attitude.
a_mom 3/9/2013 9:59:22 AM Report
sweetc if you had a loved one walking home and that girl had hit them while driving drunk would you still have the same attitude
Johnedater 3/9/2013 10:14:46 AM Report
well TC....with your attitude it explains why people drink and drive. People need to start taking resposnibility for their actions. BTW...I don't EVER drink and drive. It is not worth it. She will have a record now forever! Think people and quit making excuses cause that is all you did in your post TC
SPOCK-62 3/9/2013 10:19:23 AM Report
Yes sweetc....We've all done it at some time. But being eighteen with your wheels hung up on a guard rail is not being off on a good start. Good no one was hurt. Having my name posted on sootoday for DUI is a deterrent in itself. On the brighter side, there is only one story about DUI today, instead of more.
Rachel01 3/9/2013 10:23:47 AM Report
@sweettc...seriously, that guardrail could have been someone's child. You need to go get your head checked !!!
sweetc 3/9/2013 10:26:19 AM Report
I don't condone drinking and driving and I for one never have had even 1 drink and driven...it was a personal conviction that I took when i got my licence in my 30s, however I know lots of people who have, in the past driven drunk, and I mean drunk who now say....
OMG Drinking and driving. send them to the wolves... lock them up forever...those people I shake my head at.
shju 3/9/2013 10:36:12 AM Report
I do agree with everyone that dd is horrible but at 18 people are still stupid and have no clue of thier actions. Society has no concept of right and wrong anymore. It all stems from lack of discipline and teaching youngsters right and wrong at an early age. And for the people saying your child could be the guardrail, I sure hope your child isn't out wandering the streets at 2:50 am. I hate to say this but the 3 strike rule needs to be in place. Everyone screws up in thier life. You do it a few times and well you get your freedoms taken away for a very long time. If you see people not getting a punishment for something where is the fear that doing the same action will get you in trouble. For most young people a $500 fine and 1 year suspension has no affect on them. They are driving most likely thier parents cars and the fine can be paid easily. Tack on a month in jail and I bet the person wont be driving drunk anymore and if they do they are beyond help and should be shown no mercy. The problem is no one is learning from thier mistakes. At some point people need to grow up but we coddle everyone.
Rachel01 3/9/2013 11:38:50 AM Report
@shju a person at 25 is still someone's child !!!
bigG47 3/9/2013 11:50:39 AM Report
She is still under age and involved in an accident!!
crashed13 3/9/2013 12:00:48 PM Report
3am with the rear wheels hung up on a guard rail is a good indicator of DUI.LOL
bigG47 3/9/2013 12:06:36 PM Report
I wonder where her cell phone was during the accident? It's unfortunate but teenage traffic accidents are becoming common place, because they can not put their cell phones down!
Retreaded 3/9/2013 12:07:07 PM Report
The cost of her insurance after this "accident" will surely keep her off the road. HOPEFULLY HER PARENTS WILL NOT PAY THE INCREASED INSURANCE.
Johnedater 3/9/2013 12:27:15 PM Report
wow, kingpin, you actaully checked out her FB page. Maybe you should add your post from here on her wall. That'll teach her!
kingpin88 3/9/2013 12:45:05 PM Report
Johnedater how about you go post these comments on her wall you're probably a friend of hers where were you last night?
kingpin88 3/9/2013 12:51:02 PM Report
Johnedater btw i checked your FB page out too don't believe me it was so easy to figure you out
Johnedater 3/9/2013 12:54:46 PM Report
sorry to disappoint you Kingpin...i was home with my husband all night and I am way older than you think...and you are right,I don't believe you!
Johnedater 3/9/2013 12:59:37 PM Report
and by the way...don't use your scare tactics on me either
FirstChairLastCall 3/9/2013 1:13:04 PM Report
bigG47 - I see people of all ages driving while on their phones, not just teens.
sweetc 3/9/2013 1:18:28 PM Report
kingpin88: and I believe you were the model child at age 18. Yup.. in exactly at curfew time... never talked back to your parents...never smoked....never drank... never smoked pot... never had sex before marriage.... Yup lets appoint you to sainthood.
This girl is 18 years old. Poor judgement yes definitely....Dangerous activity... positively... but she will lose her license for a year and have a criminal record... do we have to punish her on here as well.
kingpin88 3/9/2013 1:25:47 PM Report
Johnedater google it Theresa
kingpin88 3/9/2013 1:38:37 PM Report
What are we supposed to say on here oh you're only 18 it's ok to be a dumbass no it isn't 70 year olds still do it some people never learn and I was way more responsible and respectful of others when I was 18 than most kids today were not all perfect but some people are just useless
Unkle Kracker 3/9/2013 1:55:20 PM Report
sweetc It is obvious that you or your family have not be touched by the devastation that a drunk can cause while driving. I hope and pray it never happens.
We need much harsher penalties for DUI.
sweetc 3/9/2013 2:49:11 PM Report
my final word on this subject today.
"May he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Wicked 3/9/2013 3:19:36 PM Report
Drinking and driving and killing someone is NOT an accident. Done on purpose. It's murder.
wynne 3/9/2013 5:32:14 PM Report
This is my account and my daughter u people are bashing..to the ones who are thank you to the ones who understand,,But to call her an Idiot is Bullyuing do you except that,,and promote suicides,,she is sick over whAT SHE HAS DONE,,AND AS HER PARENT WE WERE ALL tHANK FUL nO ONE WAS HURT,,IT IS HER lESSON LEARNED.FOR THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN KILLED BY DRUNK DRIVER iD NEVER WISH THAT ON ANYBODY, SO ALL U PEOPLE WHO ARE DRIVING HER TO sUICIDE BETTER BACK OFF,NOW,,THAT IS ENOUGH.AND U PIPEBOMB TO CALL HER AN IDIOT,U NEED CHARC
GED FOR HARRASMENT AND BULLYING.GOODBYE..THIS COMMENT BOX SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED IT IS NOTHING MOPRE THAN A QUARREL BOX.
wynne 3/9/2013 5:35:03 PM Report
WHETHER ITS DRINKING AND DRIVING HOW ABOUT THESE SEXUAL PREDATORS NOW THEY GET A SLAP ON THE WRIST,,NO ONE IS PERFECT,,SO PIPE BOMB AND TO THE REST THAT LIKE TO BULLY YOUR WORLD AINT PERFECT EITHER,SO KEEP YOUR DAMN COMMENTS TO YOURSELF AND QUIT MAKIN MY DAUGHTER SICKER THAN SHE IS.
wynne 3/9/2013 5:37:52 PM Report
AND NO KINGPIN SHE IS NOT USELESS,,BAD CHOICE OF WORDS,,SHE HAS FINISHED SCHOOL AND ATTENDING COLLEGE,KEEP THE RUDE COMMENTS TO YOUR SELFISH SELF.
moem 3/9/2013 5:38:15 PM Report
Okay sweetc let me throw the first stone I have never broken the law... Drunk driving is a very heinous crime, it is one of the very few crimes that can put any one of us or our children at risk, entire families have been killed by drunk drivers! It is a very high risk crime to society, and just because it was late at night doesn't mean that next time it won't be while children are walking to school and to the person who said a 25 yr is still someones child... Exactly you hit the nail on the head my child will be my baby until the day I die!!
There is NO excuse and no rationalization for drunk driving ever, and they should serve jail time the first time!!I'm tired of irresponsible drinkers risking my life and the lives of my family and all the other innocent people out there!!!
There was a young man killed while walking in the states the other day, he'd been drinking so he walked home and a drunk driver killed him!!!
wynne 3/9/2013 5:41:09 PM Report
AND TO U SHJU NEVER MIND LACK OF DISCIPLINE, THERE IS PLENTY,,AND NO IT WAS NOT THE PARENTS VEHICLE,,QUIT JUDGING.
wynne 3/9/2013 5:46:56 PM Report
THANK U TO SWEETC AND TO THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SOME HEART,SHE HAS NEVER DRANK AND DROVE TO U ASSES THAT JUDGED HER AND SAID SHE HAS,,NO SHE HASNT SHE WAS BEING A TEENAGER JUST LIKE THE REST,JUST SOME DONT GET CAUGHT...NOW JSUT LEAVE HER ALONE AND WHO EVER MADE THIS COMMENT SITE AVAILABLE SHOULD BE CONDEMEND FOR STUPID ACTION.
Greeky3 3/9/2013 6:08:32 PM Report
Sounds like you have learned a very valuable life lesson and are moving forward from here.
As far as the rest of the TROLS that cruise sootoday and criticize every one and everything that goes on. To these people I say get. A life!!!!!
FirstChairLastCall 3/9/2013 6:11:15 PM Report
When you know you are drinking that night, you either take a cab or get a dd. Taking your car out drinking and knowing that's your only way home is no mistake. It's irresponsible and selfish.
TOOLY 3/9/2013 6:17:57 PM Report
Where is the moderator with all this cursing and mudslinging????
This is a classic case of cyber bulling...
newcon 3/9/2013 6:27:04 PM Report
I'm feeling left out...but I'm always "Right".
wynne 3/9/2013 7:38:09 PM Report
Yeah where is someone to read all my swaers,,howabout all the judging u people have done to my daughter,,thats BULLYING!! And yes u are makingher the victim shes sorry a MILLION TIMES OVER" U HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN GO AND READ EVERYONES BUSSINESS AND CREEP THEIR WALL''' WHO HAS THE PROBLEM HERE?????SAD THING MY DAUGHTER SAID MOM DONT GO ON THERE ITS MAKING U UPSET''AND SHE IS SO DISSAPPOINTED IN HER DOING''WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH U PEOPle????NO ONES HURT''NO ONE DIED''WE THANK GOD FOR THAT''NOW CAN U ALL PLEASE LEAVE IT ALONEBEFORE SOMETHING BADREALLY DOES HAPPEN"
wynne 3/9/2013 7:39:47 PM Report
Thanks Greeky3 and yes she has,,she is young and smart,,People need to stop with the name calling and judging someone they dont know from hole in the ground,,before they put her there.
wynne 3/9/2013 7:44:33 PM Report
and by the way dont ever say she had poor parents,,Ive raised three children and are all doing well,,a daughter thats graduated from police foundations.im proud u cant take that from me.and Kelsey is at Church tonight celebrating a friends one yr. Sober..Please just stop with the judgment.we all make mistakes were still gods children leave it alone.
sassafras 3/9/2013 7:53:06 PM Report
Such childish banter y'all. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Some of your comments to each other may border on bullying, one might say. Shame on you.
wynne 3/9/2013 9:13:00 PM Report
This site needs to be done with.this is has created havic..go to hell..to bad for my mouh..and u stugatza know dick all..
Bella 3/9/2013 9:38:39 PM Report
I have never driven drunk. Am I to believe I am in the minority?
Kids make mistakes and hopefully she will learn from it. She is lucky no harm done. Experience often leads to maturity.
Mom of Kelsey, you are not helping your daughter's cause by going crazy on this forum. Some things are better left unsaid. I'm sorry that she is humiliated. I would imagine that this is consuming her right now but remind her that by next month it will be but a distant memory in everyone's mind. Having said all of that, I do wish that they would leave names off of this site.
sweetc 3/9/2013 9:41:50 PM Report
I have never driven drunk either... but we might as well do away with out legal system because people on this site are judge, jury and executioner.
newcon 3/9/2013 10:00:50 PM Report
@wynne...calm youself before you erupt.
There is no harsher venue for justice than "The Court of Public Opinion". This is the violent reality that "civilized" people face constantly.
A BULLY loves to see his/her victim(s) suffer because it seems to calm their own misery...as "misery loves company" and there is plenty of company here for miserable "so-called civilized" people. However there still seems to be the issue of D.U.I. and thankfully nobody was hurt or worse...let the system deal with it now, it's never a good thing but we'll end it at that. As for the media...it is a ruthless ostensibly "unbias" machine fueled and lubed by perpetual anarchy...don't get close to the machine. (I'll leave the politics out of this one)Remember..."survival of the fittest". Talk is cheap and worthless so don't "spend" any of your valuable energy on these attacks but ensure that your daughter never puts you and her through this again.
Stugatzu 3/9/2013 11:31:56 PM Report
sweetc - No.. I was never caught because I have never driven drunk -- plain and simple. ANYONE THAT SAYS OR THINKS THEY CAN DRIVE DRUNK IS A COMPLETE MORON. ALCOHOL IS AN IMPAIRING DRUG.
Not everyone here is irresponsible. In fact, as I have mentioned in other topics -- I drive professionally. I can't afford to have a DUI on my driver's abstract. IT WILL COST ME MY JOB. THEREFORE, I DO NOT DRINK AND DRIVE.
Thanks for trying though.
Stugatzu 3/9/2013 11:51:29 PM Report
sweetc -- she's been judged and found guilty by the police, with laws that have been put in place to protect her peers. Her peers are not the ones delivering the sentence, don't get it twisted. She's going to have her day in provincial court, to receive her sentencing. She can give her sob story and apologies to the judge, and hopefully he will show as little compassion as most of us do for this behavior.. and will destroy her future.
I'm sick and tired of having to worry about whether I'll make it home after work -- because of stupid people making stupid decisions.
Stugatzu 3/10/2013 12:10:13 AM Report
I really hope the police/courts took a look at this girl's face book page (I'm sure they do in some cases).. laden with her sporting a box of Pabst Blue Ribbon, and Mixed Drink glasses full to the brim and larger than her head.
Brazen and stupid enough to post pictures of under-age drinking.
Then comes in mom... defending her alcoholic daughter that isn't even of legal drinking age. You're either unaware, or in denial that your daughter has a drinking problem. Get your daughter some help.
Quit trying to protect your daughter - and screaming "bully" and playing the "victim" - you probably don't know half the illegal things she's doing. You need to have a talk with the daughter that you're so "proud" of.
sweetc 3/10/2013 12:24:07 AM Report
Stugatzu:::: lord be praised the Second coming is here... Mr/Mrs perfect... never screwed up in their life..... HAHAHAHAHA that is so funny.
I hear the same things all the time from people that I know drank/smoked etc. and why I never... talked to my parents like that.
And thats really something that I didn't know... that the police find you guilty. I thought they just laid the charges and the courts found you guilty or not.
Well tahts what is wrong with people... Police charged them.... must be guilty... hmm hang em high. don't wait for court...
Stugatzu 3/10/2013 12:58:20 AM Report
I never said I never screwed up. I said I've never done any drinking and driving. That's a fact -- whether you believe it or not is not any of my concern.
Stugatzu 3/10/2013 1:12:58 AM Report
Quit playing arm chair lawyer in a subject you know nothing about.
I'll even do you the favour of educating you: She was charged with being beyond the legal limit. That means Over .08:
Over .08 is a criminal offense in Ontario. First offense is a minimum $1000 fine, automatic 3-month driver's license suspension from the Ministry of Transportation and an additional 12-month suspension by the courts. After the suspension is a $150 reinstatement fee, minimum 1 year ignition interlock condition upon reinstatement, which cost $1300 and you have to take the remedial driver safety course, which cost $475. You also get a criminal record. People charged with drinking and driving do not qualify for legal aid.
As of August 1, 2010, if you are a fully licensed driver who is 21 and under or a novice driver and are caught with any alcohol in your blood, you will receive an immediate 24-hour roadside driver licence suspension and, if convicted, you will face a fine of $60-$500 and a 30-day licence suspension.
She's not going to court to determine if she's guilty -- the breathalyzer determined that on the scene. She's going to court to find out what additional charges/fines/punishment the courts wish to administer.
Ontario has some of the stiffest drunk driving penalties in all of Canada.
Feel free to look it up on the MTO's website.
Give it a rest already, you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about.. and your rambling proves it.
got2bebb 3/10/2013 9:54:14 AM Report
jojoe71 3/10/2013 10:46:38 AM Report
Some good points are coming out of these responses. The problem of drinking and driving foremost...talk to your kids and anyone else you care about. Sounds like this wasn't a first time thing but it's going to be an expensive lesson learned. She's young enough to make it right in the future. It's also good to hear the costs involved with d&d...but then again we all know tobacco will kill but thats not a deterrant for everybody. Can't blame mama for defending her daughter. that's what they do even if someone was murdered.I think that's the way they're wired. As far as face book goes that's another weird invention. People put their entire daily life on there for all to see . It's open to anyone to view. Just type in a name. So if you think it's funny to show alcohol as being " COOL or Hip " remember once you put it on line you can't take it back even though you might regret it in years to come.
moem 3/10/2013 10:55:20 AM Report
You can set your facebook settings so only the people you want to see your pages can but for some reason young people don't do that!! They are in for a shock later when they seek employment, I know for a fact that recruiters look people up on FB, I also know people who have been fired because they phoned in sick to work and then posted pictures of the wedding they attended!! Tsk tsk
PF92 3/10/2013 2:50:09 PM Report
HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH!!!!!
d_rains16 3/10/2013 3:17:40 PM Report
wynne 3/10/2013 7:00:58 PM Report
I still can't login, please copy and paste this for me on soo today.
Written by Kelsey's older sister!
I am baffled at how all of you can sit there and bring other family members into this thread! My career is already established so how dare any of you try to make her feel any worse for her wrong doings! I think some of you need to be reminded of a suicide case not long ago where someone was driven to suicide for internet slander and libel! The people that caused that were later charged for the hurtful comments made towards them. And I will not hesitate to open a case of slander and libel for such comments! Mistakes were made but that does not make her trash or a stupid excuse for a human being! You small town people really are hurtful and
wynne 3/10/2013 7:02:32 PM Report
should all be ashamed of yourselves! I bet ur parents are really proud as well speaking to a human being like that!
She is 100% remourseful and regrets every decision she made that night! I do not support or or understand her decision making that night but I do believe in people becoming better people after making horrible decisions!
She did not drive to this party with intent to drive! She did not have a car there! She was handed a set of keys and asked to drive while extremely intoxicated! Her judgement was impaired and the person who gave a drunk girl keys should feel just as guilty so shame on you! Her actions were terribly wrong and I will not sit here and try and justify her wrong doings! I am so
wynne 3/10/2013 7:03:30 PM Report
greatful that no one was hurt as is she! But do not attack someone's personal character and assume the worst! She is not an awful person or any of the other hurtful things you people are saying! She has already begun treatment and I have faith that she will continue down this path and I am PROUD of her for it!!!
I strongly hope that each of you stop this petty childish comment making and allow her the opportunity to get better! She will pay for her wrong doings in a criminal justice system, she doesn't need the extra stones cast by you!
And mom, I love you! Do not listen to the hurtful shit people post! I am a successful mature adult and raised by you! You should not take responsibilty for someone's actions! She is an adult and made those decisions! Of course a mother will get defensive and say hurtful stupid things when someone is personally attacking their daughter! That's what mothers do! Doesn't mean she accepts or approves of the mistakes that were made
wynne 3/10/2013 7:04:31 PM Report
people! You all just need to stop because it seems childish and petty to be spending so much time attacking people on here!!
To Kels.. Little sis'.. Although very dissappointed in these decisions I love you! You have not in any way ruined my career or put my job at risk! I will help to support you through this mess and encourage you to continue down the sober path you are on! Horrible decisions were made and I truly hope you learn from them! You are my best friend and my family and I love you very much! Please do not listen to the hurtful personal attacks! You know you did wrong and will pay for those mistakes but not by these people who have nothing better to do but then to make these kinds of comments! Love you very much!!
To any of those who have lost a loved one by an action as stupid as this I sincerely apologize! It is a shame that this happens and it should never happen! My sister will
wynne 3/10/2013 7:05:24 PM Report
To any of those who have lost a loved one by an action as stupid as this I sincerely apologize! It is a shame that this happens and it should never happen! My sister will be going to aa meetings and speaking to people who have lost a loved one due to actions just like hers as part of her way to recovery! My deepest of sympathies to those affected by this that were reminded of how such irresponsible actions can end someone's life. She is fully aware of the things that could have happened and apologizes for it!
To Sootoday.. How dare you allow such hate crimes to continue!!
blackspruce 3/10/2013 7:29:21 PM Report
thankyou Kelseys older sister very well put as a person who gone through a suicide from bullying It made me sick to see the harassment your family received. Your Mom like any good parent just stood by her daughter who made a mistake. Lucky for Kelsey at least she or no one was hurt she got a second chance in life some do not she will need alot of love and support to get over this and never mind the narrow minded comments from the supposed do gooders who felt they had to be so rude and cruel
moem 3/10/2013 9:32:51 PM Report
To kelsey's sister
Glad you're established in your career already, I'm assuming it's not a lawyer or a police officer though as you mention hate crimes ( which these comments are not) and slander and libel neither of which has occurred in these posts so I doubt you can make a case! there has been no bullying either, your mom was not showing good judgment when she made her comments, as for your sisters " recovery" I've worked with hundreds of addicts it boils down to show me don't tell me you will change. Going to meetings is only the first step and it seems unlikely that in the short time since her crime that she has actually set up speaking engagements. There are very few resources in the soo for people recovering from addiction! Good luck to you all, and for the most part I have to say that you come off a bit more mature than your mother did in all of this, I hope that your sisters actions haven't created too much embarassment or gossip at your job, I'm sure people talk but your sister's ridiculous and outrageous behaviours should not be a reflection on you!! Btw drunkenness and impaired judgment is not a defense in a crime where the key ingredient is being drunk ie drunk driving but I'm sure kelsey's lawyer will explain that to you all
Well said again!!!!
Stugatzu 3/10/2013 11:04:51 PM Report
Another little tidbit for Kelsey and her family... and an attorney will tell her this too:
Given the fact that she was driving someone else's car, and was criminally charged for being beyond the legal limit of consumption; the insurance company providing the policy for the vehicle that was involved has the right to persue any and all legal action they deem necessary to mitigate any damages if the owner attempts to file a claim for it. That being said, even if the owner doesn't persue a claim, the insurance company also reserves the right to nullify and cancel the policy of the vehicle holder for knowingly and willingly releasing care and control of the vehicle to a person that was known to be both extremely intoxicated and under the legal drinking age.
In plain english.. the insurance company can sue you and cancel the insurance on the vehicle you were driving -- even if it wasn't yours. The owner of the vehicle then has the legal right to persue you in small claims to recover the damages to their vehicle.
Nobody put a gun to Kelsey's head and forced her to drive, she made the decision to accept the keys and drive the vehicle on her own. As an adult she can accept the consequences of her actions..whether she was intoxicated at the time, or not.. she made that decision. The court isn't going to show lieniency to any degree in most cases, and the particular point is that she was not of legal drinking age to begin with. She can have the criminal record and financial burdens that come with that decision.
Further, the Corporation of the City of Sault Ste. Marie Traffic Division also reserves the right to seek claims against Kelsey for damages to the guard rail, and the costs associated to repairing and replacing the damaged city property. Under-age drinker caught drunk driving and destroying city property with a vehicle; you can almost count on them electing to persue financial compensation if there was any damage.
If anyone else saw the pictures on her FaceBook, they'd have noticed that quite a few of these pictures that portray Kelsey in possession of and consuming alcohol are all time-stamped by FaceBook as to when they were uploaded. All of which were dated BEFORE the date of the accident, at least as far as six months ago. Her drinking isn't a one time behaviour. This isn't something that "just happened". Its been happening for quite some time.
jojoe71 3/11/2013 12:06:57 AM Report
I'd like to thank Stugatzu for all the legal information regarding what happens when one is arrested for blowing over the limit. That should be taught in schools so kids are aware of the ramifications of their actions. Also many adults can take notice. We have a friend who currently has her vehicle equipped with that machine to blow in everytime she uses her vehicle and she says it's a real pain in the butt. Sometimes it won't start no matter how hard she blows. It's a hard lesson in life.
SooToday Moderator 3/11/2013 2:48:09 AM Report
Much time has been spent deleting several comments over the last hours.
A healthy debate on the topic and consequences of drinking and driving is not to be discouraged, but one must criticize the behaviour -not the person.
Many important and correct points have been raised. Points that could save a life.
Please keep the commenting civil and we ask for your help by using the report link on any comments that should be reviewed for possible deletion.
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chickydeeee 3/11/2013 11:16:08 AM Report
I'm sorry, I have been reading the comments on this subject and I agree with most of the logical ones. The only thing that really got me going here is the comment someone said...and I quote "We've all done it at some time"!
THIS is the mentality, and lack of common sense we are dealing with here. I am flabbergasted that some of you actually think this is true. I never have, and NEVER will drink and drive.
ps. my comment is directed at the person who thinks everyone has done this at one time or another...brutal!
Stugatzu 3/11/2013 11:34:16 AM Report
SooToday Moderators did more than just trim offensive posts -- they just blanketly cut out comments they didn't want to see.
I'd really love to hear what was offensive about my post explaining how an attorney will tell her she has no defense, what is to be expected of her if she has breath-analyzer interlock system installed, the absurdly high insurance rate premiums she can expect, the expectance that her current provider may drop her from any policy she may be on, due to the criminal conviction, and confirming prior comments that a criminal DUI may affect security clearances for her older sister.
What was wrong with those comments? Aside from my remark that they'll have to sell blood and organs to pay for the legal fees that aren't provided for free for criminal conviction charges.
Just blanket censorship on SooToday's side. The truth hurts.... don't it?
sault-bound 3/11/2013 12:10:28 PM Report
What was wrong with your comments? You two need to give ur heads a shake! You personally attacked this girl and her family! There was name calling and personal attacks! If you think calling an 18 year old girl is stupid then you really need to be the ones getting the punnishment! This poor family will deal with things from those who have the right to punish them! Not from people whi hide behind their computers casting stones!
Its about time Sootoday! You let that go on long enough! And to the jerk who thought it was ok to then bash that girls sister by saying well clearly you aren't a cop or lawyer, do you know her? She simply stated you could have been charged and you could have! Look up the definition of slander and libel if you guys know so much! She also said nothing about her sister already having arrangements! She said she was "going to"!
To Kelsey, I saw ur post before it was deleted. Do not take any of these comments to heart! You will pay for the crime legally, not by people who sit here with nothing better to do! Your family did not deserve this kind of public humiliation! Your actions are no reflection of them or you as a person! I hope you learn from those mistakes and the criminal justice system doesn't see you again!
How dare you people! Cyber bullying is a huge concern and to those who felt it was ok need to realize how dangerous it can be!
sault-bound 3/11/2013 12:20:47 PM Report
Stugatzu.. It's about time the comments were removed! They were nothing but ignorant and no business being there!
If you know so much about the law you should really consider a change from the mcdonalds you said u would be working at with kelsey! You are in no place to tell that family what is going to happen legally! And everything you mentioned, very text book and all harshest punnishment and some even hearsay! The photos on this girls fb are totally irrelevant and won't stand a chance serving as evididence in court morons! There's a photo of her drinking what appears to be juice from a large glass, can u confirm that's alcohol? Didn't think so! A photo with a few people and she's holding a bottle of liquor, can u confirm that's alcohol in that bottle or simply a photo of a girl holding it? If the court can't prove that without a resonable doubt its garbage!
Same as the kids family or his insurance being able to sue the girl!! Ya ok let me get this right.. Ok so you knew this girl wasn't apart of your insurance? Its not her car? And you handed her keys while intoxicated?? Ya some case this guy has! Lol yes they can try, they can try a lot of things. Most of what you claimed however will not hold up in court! Let the girl be!
She will pay her dues! Until then leave her alone!
Yorkielove 3/11/2013 12:27:55 PM Report
Thank you stugatzu for your overwhelming amount of copy and paste facts from the MTO website.. I really don't think any of us could have managed on our own. Maybe the moderator deleted comments because they were pointless and unnecessary? Or possibly because you're flat out insulting everyone's intelligence. Get a life people.
blackspruce 3/11/2013 12:30:23 PM Report
with you on that Sault bound. Stugatzu and moen I can just just imagine what kind of jobs you to hold. To carry on the way you two did was so immature. All you accomplished was making alot of people disgusted in you. The girl did wrong and she is aware of if it and will have to deal with the consenquences as we all when we do something wrong and get caught. Bashing the girl and her family was nothing but cowardly and rude. Not sure if either of you ever had a child but Good parents stand by their family. I do not know this family but I respect the Mom and Sister alot more than rude people like you
sault-bound 3/11/2013 12:39:06 PM Report
Here here blackspruce! Good on you and totally agree!
Casper123 3/11/2013 1:21:43 PM Report
I argued with myself over whither I wanted to post a comment or not but this has finally gotten too far. Do you believe commenting and searching through this young girls Facebook will make her go back in time and undo what she did?? Or that it will somehow decrease the amount of impaired driving in ontario?? You all damn well know what you're doing is extremely inappropriate for anyone over the age of 9. Some comments that bothered me is people saying suicide deaths are somehow less painful to families than those who've lost members to drunk driving. I am a suicide survivor, I tried to end my life at 13 because I had said some things that ended up being strewn all over the Internet. Was I wrong? Yes. Hurtful? Stupid? Yes to all those things, but you know what didn't help me? Comments written over a keyboard. I am 17 years old now and live a very full life, I learned from my mistakes and am here by the grace of God and the endless love of my parents. Those people who commented on what I did can't even look me in the eyes out of shame of what they had done when they found out. How many more teenage girls have to pop up on the news before you learn?? It's not funny and suicide is serious and very much a concern in this situation. As for the drunk driving aspect, I have lost two different family members to drunk driving accidents, I've forgiven the drivers. Why? Because my God forgives all that ask for forgiveness, do you think those people laugh about what they've done? No, they live every day knowing they killed innocent people and trust me, they would do anything to turn back time and refuse to get in that car. No one is saying what Kelsey did is right but I promise you, commenting on this website will not do any good only harm. And to this stugatzu character who seems to be a repeated commenter, I would suggest you find a new hobby rather than basically stalking this young lady on the Internet. She is not your daughter, the deed has been done and none of this is of any concern to you. You can say she endangered the whole city and "any of us could have been walking" but do you not see all the posts on this website about drug dealers? Do you think someone selling a young boy drugs and he ODs is not as serious as drunk driving? Why don't you go flood those pages to, since you're the Internet police of Sault Ste. Marie. Also if you have more comments please contact my account, I'm not arguing this on a public forum this is extremely childish for people who I'm assuming are older than me. Calling people idiots? really? you think that makes you sound like you have a justified argument? If you're so against drunk driving I'll see you at the next OSAID or MADD meeting, unless you are to busy saving the world one rude comment at a time. And the people who commented and shamed Kelsey on attending a church service for her sober friend, shame on you. It is not your place to judge but the Lord's and you should not discourage anyone from spirituality when you yourself claim to be of the same religion.
Casper123 3/11/2013 1:26:18 PM Report
My love and prayers go out to Kelsey and her family at this time. Everything passes.
wynne 3/11/2013 1:51:46 PM Report
Kelseys Mother would like to Thank the the kind and understanding ones on here,,I said I would not come back on here but was Told soo today cleaned up most of this mess,,my oldest daughter emailed Soo Today from Ottawa and is disgusted by all the Cyber Bullying We have Shed many Tears from the Bashing and most hurtful comments ever,,We are hurting enough on what she has done,,and dont ever think my daughter is Proud of what she did..she has alot alot of remorse and Pain..and Cyber Bullying sure didnt help..Shes had enough of Bullying 2 yrs in school.Now I hope there are no more hurtful comments on here,and soo today should end it,,meaning put an end to all comments on anyones charges,I could never bash a person the way we have been on here.thank you.
wynne 3/11/2013 3:18:31 PM Report
thank you Saultbound and Casper and sweetc,,and I dont know why Kelseys comment would be deleted she never said anything bad,and I did Cuss alot but when Imsitting behind a computer reading what people think they know of me and My daughter made me Furious hurt and Disgusted in how a human being can think and say such cruelty.but I guess its easy to hide behind a computer and flap all they want,, they have nothing better to do.
sault-bound 3/11/2013 4:16:45 PM Report
No need to thank us Wynne. Your daughter has been through enough I'm sure. The sense of regret is overwhelming and thinking how she could have harmed someone. I wish her well on her road to recovery! She's young with plenty of years to bounce back from this.
To Casper, that was incredibly brave of you to come on here and tell your story! Inspirational and you are wise above your years! People can learn a thing or two from you.
Working Man 3/11/2013 8:16:14 PM Report
Sorry for insulting your intelligence earlier. It's just that bashing in a time such as this is completely unnecessary.
I'm not a professional at this stuff, but a better way would be to show empathy towards the individuals involved(whether you feel it or not) and show your support to help her overcome an alcohol problem(if indeed she had one) or stress related to this issue.
If you bash the girl and she actually did have a problem, she'd be less inclined to go to somebody like you for help. You need to build rapport with the client and show that you care as well as understand and are working towards a solution instead of focusing on the problem.
The girl has a lot on her plate right now, no need to give her any more servings. And don't assume that she's a full-blown alcoholic(or even more ridiculous-a callgirl) because she made this mistake.
You have my support as well. Good luck to your daughter in court. I'm sure she's going through a lot of stress with this...
PuppyGirl 3/12/2013 12:48:05 AM Report
I'm shocked. I grew up when it was drilled in our heads to think twice before doing something and that we were ALWAYS responsible for our own actions. Being bullied is not an excuse for drinking under age and not an excuse for drinking and driving. There are NO excuses for either of those. I thank God, and yes God is still in my home, that Kelsey you did not kill anyone. I also pray to God that you have learned from your terrible decision and grow from it. Once you are done, it would be nice to see you going to schools and talking to young students about your experience and save many lives in the future. God Bless this family.
wynne 3/12/2013 10:06:09 AM Report
I always have a million things i could say on here to those that have positive comments to me and my family. Its so hard to know there are strangers out there who have so much stuff to say on a public server, like im useless and inbred trash. Obviously those things are still stuck in my mind everyday. Thank you from every part of me those who people i dont even know that will put just the slightest hope on here for me. You truly are saving my life, the one i know i have partially ruined and that haunts me. The past few days i wish god would just take me cause i dont deserve this life and such amazing people i have in it. I will never try to justify my actions i KNOW how BAD of choice that was and i never thought id be here. It takes one slip up and you never know how good you have it, i took life for granted and other lives too. I have been told to stay off here but as a teen i was on here of course everyday just to see what was said about me and it hurt so bad, But i needed to and to people who have told their story.. Youre amazing and depression is a serious thing and bullying for that matter. I will take every punishment and grow to be a mature adult that i should have done long ago. There will be no more Kelsey news on here, I promise myself that.
One again thank you to you positive people Im trying really hard and you have helped me more than you will ever know.
jojoe71 3/12/2013 12:11:32 PM Report
Kelsey; I wish you all the luck in the world. But your the only one that can change you. Always remember this saying " It is what it is ...so do what you gotta do " I've learned to live my life like that. It isn't always easy but it makes sense if you really think about it. Anyways only three more spaces and your story will fade off the screen ...take it one day at a time :)
PuppyGirl 3/12/2013 1:34:53 PM Report
Kelsey, I'm sure you learned many lessons from this mistake. I hope you learn another important message: 'Turn a negative into a positive'. Don't think about suicide that is a negative thought, instead of taking a life save a life (or hundreds), I do hope you consider talking to the younger generation about your experience, even if you save just 1 life it would be worth it (you never know, it might be your own life you're saving). I wish you luck in the future. It is a wonderful world, don't leave it.
sault-bound 3/13/2013 3:35:25 PM Report
Puppygirl who said anything about bullying being an excuse for drinking and driving?? You didn't see all of what was going on before u randomly showed up! Clearly this girl is remorseful and apologetic and was by no means making excuses for her mistakes.