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Sault College student upset about campus parking, snow clearing

Tuesday, February 19, 2013   by: Staff has received the following from a loyal reader who struggled with conditions at Sault College today:



$10,000 - the approximate cost of a year attending Sault College including tuition and supplies for my fiancé and I.

$160 - The cost of parking from September to August.

The question here is not why we spend so much to attend school, the answer to that is obvious.

My question is why we pay hundreds of dollar to park?

If the spring is not bad enough in Sault College parking lots with the giant pot holes that bottom out our cars and cause us to pay to have repairs done, but then winter strikes and we are up past our ankles in snow; this does not just happen once though.

Every single morning that it snows we are stuck walking in this snow.

Today in particular, I spent 30 minutes trying to get my car out of the parking lot; eventually, I had to call family members including my father who recently suffered a massive heart attack to help push our car out of the driveway.

Once we were out of the parking lot, I called Sault College to lodge a complaint about the parking lot conditions as I feel this was the final straw to an ongoing issue.

First, I was told by the secretary that "a lot" of complaints had been called in, she then transferred me to the person responsible for snow removal.

I cannot say who it was I was speaking with but what I can tell you is that the manner in which they addressed the issue was unsatisfying.

I was asked what I would like them to do about the situation, when they are unable to get their equipment in the parking lot, if a truck with a plow is unable to get in the parking lot how do they expect students to park and get out of the parking lot.

I was also told that it started snowing at 4 a.m. and did not stop until 6 a.m.;  even if this is true classes do not start until 7:30 or 8 a.m., leaving over an hour to get at least some of the parking lot cleared.

I was also told people had been out to help others push their vehicles out of the lot and that someone was now working with a small snow blower to get the lot cleared; I was out there for 30 minutes I heard no equipment or any sign of people to help get students out.

People who pay hundreds of dollars to park and thousands of dollars to get an education should not have to work to get out of a driveway.

A phone call to help be pushed out by one person should have the college asking some questions on their snow removal process and the manner in which they deal with complaints should not be to question the validity of our statements or how the school should deal with an issue we pay for them to deal with themselves.


- Another broke student


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Gater 2/19/2013 9:09:37 PM Report

The streets are bad also and some will be that way over night. Its Northern Ontario and everyone has to cope with storms /power outages etc.
polaris 2/19/2013 9:09:41 PM Report

Could be worse. Could have a bus pass.
OICU812 2/19/2013 9:13:12 PM Report

Wow you sound like someone who needs to grow up and like all the whiners I fired. You are in northen Ontario. It snows here. Get use to it.
stiJJy 2/19/2013 9:15:48 PM Report

Sure, it can be frustrating but that's a huge parking lot, and I'm pretty sure when you get your parking pass they don't guarantee you're going to keep your feet dry. If you have a problem with getting your ankles wet, maybe wear boots instead. Snow is part of living up here.
fullstringer 2/19/2013 9:15:52 PM Report

Suck it up cupcake! You're in the north and we have this phenomenon called "WINTER" and with this we usually get "SNOW"? Quit your whining!
Wicket 2/19/2013 9:23:10 PM Report

Wow, I was told that the gentleman operating the small sidewalk snowblower spent his entire day in the parking lot helping everyone get their cars out. Guess you missed him, he probably doesn't have heat in that blower either. Most parking lots are cleared at night when there are no cars, did you almost grow up in the south where there is no snow?
browl 2/19/2013 9:28:38 PM Report

Ok calm down with the ur "in the north" comments for every 5 cars in that parking lot thats 1000$ in parking fees im sure the school who pays teachers 195$ an hr can afford to plow the parking lots. Just cuz we r in the north doesnt mean squat with what we pay in parking fees. Plow thw snow damnit
HellOnWheels 2/19/2013 9:29:49 PM Report

I don't think that people realize how much of a financial burden all of these costs are for a student, for their parents, spouses, etc. Its not about whining because it has snowed, its the fact that these people pay for parking and nothing been done with this parking lot in a long time. Where does all of these funds go? Obviously not where they should be going. This is only one issue on the property, don't get me started about what goes on inside. The bottom line is that top dollar parking should be maintained, its not like the funds aren't there.
murcor 2/19/2013 9:30:23 PM Report

How this student qualifies to even attend college is mind boggling. If it costs him $160 to park from September to August (as he has written) then he is not spending "hundreds of dollars" to park he is paying $160 per year which works out to 13.33 a month. I hope he is not enrolled in an accounting course.
bustinout 2/19/2013 9:34:52 PM Report

Try not to be too hard on this student. He has a good argument. I work at the college and I too had to be pushed out by friendly passers by...3 TIMES. The 3rd time just me and a older woman and I almost slid under the car when it finally started rolling! This was after supper and it was still impossible to get in or out of the parking lot without a 4 wheel drive. If they expect people to show up for classes or work they could at least clear the way!!
moniqueambassador 2/19/2013 9:37:12 PM Report

Agreed plow the damn snow. Just like the side roads today. Why pay taxes if they won't even Bother plowing the streets.
Prrrrrrr 2/19/2013 9:38:01 PM Report

Sounds like Soo College is not providing the service. If you had called a tow truck, you might have been able to make the plow company or the College foot the bill. Nasty on the Colleges part to not have tow trucks standing bye...The lots should have been done before staff arrived. I was up at 4am when it really started falling...there was good accumulation by 6am...most contractors don't plow until there is 2" on the ground. There was more than that by 6am.
Don't let it go...
Contact the College Operations/Facility Manager(assuming you have one) and ask how you get a PO for a tow truck the next time you get stuck or who should be invoiced by the tow company. It's part of Operations responsibility for the condition of the parking's up to the Operations Manager to make sure everything is safe and operating efficiently.
Any contractor knows Hospitals & Schools should be high priority, if this company can't do that, Soo College Operations needs to get after them, you should not have to call the contractor...that's up to the College. I'd be rippin if someone told me to call the are there as a student...that's THEIR JOB!
Eset 2/19/2013 9:39:42 PM Report

I think what people are forgetting here is that SSM doesn't have an endless supply of plows. The people who drive them are out working their tails off clearing the mass amount of heavy snow that fell overnight. When I went to bed last night I knew it was snowing but I did not think I was going to find that much snow out there this morning. The college doesn't own its own heavy duty snow plow to do it's parking lot. It's contracted out just like every other business's in the city. There are a lot of large parking lots that need to be done. Sure they could have had someone out doing the entrances/exit to the parking lot but I am sure there are plows up there clearing the parking lot now. When I lived in residence and the lot would get done there were a good 5 or more plows out there doing them. And that was before there was the extra lot across the street. People need to execute some patience and understand that the people who are in charge of getting the roads cleared are not just sitting on their behinds doing nothing. They are trying to keep up with it.
mallemang 2/19/2013 9:40:02 PM Report

they brought in the huge payloaders in the afternoon (about 330pm) to clear the lots. it caused more inconvenience and probably some more whining because ppl had to wait until the machines and the snow got out of the way to be able to leave the lot! but at least they tried and did the best they could.

Yes, I helped push a few cars at lunch time too!
scottm1112 2/19/2013 9:40:17 PM Report

I am also a full time student and totally understand where this person is coming from. This isn't the first time. I don't think that parking lot has been cleared since the first snow. The hospital parking lots are much bigger and are generally clear and easily accessible, unlike the college ones. I pay for both to park, and can see the difference. If only they would make parking spots for the skidoos and/or the dogsleds.....I don't know...but to the writer of the article...I feel your pain.
JenRow90 2/19/2013 9:41:04 PM Report

It’s more on principle paying for something to get done that’s not and having the situation handled as poorly as it was. As for paying hundreds for parking, if you attend the college for more than a year (which most programs are, $160 a year I.E. 2 year program $320, 4 year program $640) you do infact pay hundreds just in parking, it’s extremely frustrating paying for something you don’t get. To the person who fires people for whining, are you actually firing them for whining or because you’re sick of paying someone for something they aren’t doing?
RLE 2/19/2013 9:42:13 PM Report

I was at several businesses before noon. All of their lots had been plowed. Guess the difference is that the businesses want customers,whereas Sault College got paid so they couldn't care less. . Yes, I am not a Sault College fan as my son's horror story was a whole lot worse.
chichismom 2/19/2013 9:48:29 PM Report

I understand the writer's concern, but must point out that the person contracted to do snow removal has other clients too. Not saying one client is more important than the other, but sometimes things don't work out perfectly. I can see as the snow started at 4 am, that the plow operator didn't have much time to start plowing his contracted yards before morning. Someone should have been able to help you out within the school to get out of the lot though? Or did you not ask?
stiJJy 2/19/2013 10:02:29 PM Report

The parking pass is only for the parking lot. Not a guarantee of snow removal.
madmaymax 2/19/2013 10:02:34 PM Report

Hey Fullstringer:
Get it right,will you!The proper wording is Suck it up Buttercup.It,so a country song which is sung by Sean Hogan!By the way!I see alot of bullying going on!Shame on you'd.Leave the school kid alone!Everyday Above Ground is Beautiful.And DON'T Forget to Live,Love + LAUGH with the SNOW.....Be Thank-full that your young and able to go to school......Rise Above the Rest and go out and buy some snowshoes.Believe me when I say,Life could always be worse.Get my drift...And I don't mean snowdrift
HONEST1 2/19/2013 10:08:39 PM Report

Make no sense that college parking lot would not have at least been partially plowed. I was at the group health center at 9:30am and the parking lot was already plowed. Maybe same company has both contracts!
mixerman55 2/19/2013 10:14:56 PM Report

you may not realize the contractor that dose the plowing also plows station mall zellers plaza Walmart station tower soomil Marconi two churches and about five other places that all have to be done by morning, if it starts snowing at 4am they have to call guys out at that time,if anything got done at all you would be lucky.
John66 2/19/2013 10:18:38 PM Report

Every business in town was scrambling to clean their lots, because it didn't start snowing until 4 am. And it didn't stop until 7pm.
According to your numbers, there was a whole hour, for the plow operator to ignore every other customer and scrape the lot down for your 8 am class.
By 10 they would need to do it again. So the 10am classes could complain.
At 6 Pm many streets hadn't been plowed yet. Get some snow tires, and boots, and quit complaining. What kind of idiot would ask his dad who just had a heart attack to push a car?
madmaymax 2/19/2013 10:24:50 PM Report

Maxx2 2/19/2013 10:27:30 PM Report

I understand the frustration that goes on when it snows, however I don't understand why this person would ask his Father to help push when he has recently had a "masssive heart attack".
JenRow90 2/19/2013 10:33:39 PM Report

Snow tires and boot? Whose buying, its hard to afford food let alone pay for snow tires...and maybe we should take in to consideration that females have the ability to write an opinion such as this...if I were stuck and upset, my dad would be my first call too!
newcon 2/19/2013 10:35:30 PM Report

What does the disclaimer imply and what is the content of the parking agreement? One may have ethical grounds for argument but far from "legal" grounds. What's legal isn't necessarily just. It's winter and there's a signed contract...somewhere.
elanjoe 2/19/2013 10:42:59 PM Report

sportsfan17 2/19/2013 10:44:03 PM Report

Get a shovel! Start diggin!
d'sbored 2/19/2013 10:45:37 PM Report

He has every right to complain. It is a business and it should have been done. There is nothing more frustrating than arriving to your job or school to find out you can't get in or you are stuck. I had to drive in that all day for my job and was extremely frustrated with how many roads were not cleared and I was stuck a few times. Add that to all the idiotic drivers who pull out in front of you and the roads are glare ice making it almost impossible to stop.
nag06 2/19/2013 11:02:39 PM Report

I am a student at sault college and was in placement today but rushed to the college to book my exams on my hour lunch break. I went to the school for nothing, i drove 40 minutes trying to get a parking place. I couldn't find a paking place and was worried that id get my big ford 150 crew cab stuck. The snow is always bad in the school parking lot and you do attend classes always with wet and cold feet. Cars and trucks were stuck everywhere this afternoon. Unfortunetaly i left and was not able to book my exams. Something does need to be done, so glad i was not 40 minutes late for class, because that counts on your grades at school.
AngelEyes22 2/19/2013 11:04:35 PM Report

I stayed home from classes today just for this reason! Many of my classmates were stuck in the parking lot today as well. Last time we had lots of snow my car got stuck. Luckily a nice guy pushed my car out of the lot. As a student who pays thousands of dollars to attend this school I also find it frustrating this happens. In addition to my rant, there is 2 lots for students to park and 3 for faculty. The staff lots are most times half full or only a few cars, while the student lots are jam packed...anyway that's another story *end rant*
Working Man 2/19/2013 11:20:43 PM Report

Dude stop whining....

I got stuck 2 times today!! I had to get pushed out. My parking lot didn't get plowed till around 3pm today.

The plow drivers are over-loaded with work today. You can't expect them to do every single business's driveway at the best time. When it snows people love these guys, when it doesn't snow people think they're just 'losers'.. That's the respect they get from most people because these guys don't have degrees. Until you get stuck, right? Right.

If there were more plow drivers 'you' would be happy right? Yeah, so would everybody else. That's not the way it works. If you don't give respect, you won't get it.

And Sault college's tuition is 'not' 10grand per year... It's a cheap college!!! You're looking at maybe 3-4 grand tops per year!! If you're counting dorm room costs, ok then why is it important for you to drive then?

I have no idea where 10grand per year comes into play. Try comparing that to a better school like Harvard...

Meaning behind this is with the amount of disrespect behind plow drivers and them being referred to as 'losers' because all they do is clear snow. Well.. They do a lot for us when the snow comes, that's for sure...

I guess it's the same with every profession, you'll always have some loser complaining about the work that you do. People complain about accountants, janitorial, engineers, etc.. But, I usually hear the lowest talking down what's above them.. I don't usually hear the bosses talking down their workers, well sometimes.. But, a lot of times I hear technicians talking down engineers, which doesn't make any sense to me-that's right Ed.
Big Deal 2/19/2013 11:32:07 PM Report

I had to go to work today and the roads this morning were a DISGRACE!!! AND they were still the same on my way home from work? SHAME on our city hall!!! We pay taxes and have to go to bad they won't get their employees out working and cleaning the road!!! What a bunch of crooks!!!!
gottogo123 2/19/2013 11:42:23 PM Report

Working Man:
In response, have you ever realized how much tuition, books, supplies cost now-a-days? I recently graduated from Sault College, and the prices only get higher and higher. 10000 dollars sounds like a reasonable number in today's society. Also included in that 10000 can be student debt! Which adds up very fast as well. Seeing as there are TWO of them, 10 grand sounds like a better calculated number.
Number One Son 2/19/2013 11:55:59 PM Report

I will use the proper saying, .... suck it up, buttercup.

We tax-payers pay thousands of dollars a year to have our roads cleaned, .... $13.00 and change a month for the privilege to park on college property is a gift. Did you ever think to carry a shovel in your car?

God help the employer that might hire you, .....
mysticbabs 2/20/2013 12:35:57 AM Report

ok, this is sault ste. marie, it snows 8 months of the year. Some more, some less, does.
moem 2/20/2013 12:42:09 AM Report


They can't be from southern Ontario because if they were they would recognize that paying 160 a year is peanuts for parking if only they knew....

Number one..... Excellent response, the snow was heavy and wet, and there was plenty of it!! The roads were still awful at 9:30 pm and I saw several plows, sanders and salters doing the roads, a great many well travelled side streets were a mess not to mention the less traveled ones which were near impossible to pass. And we do certainly pay lots of tax, snow removal people were working long hours today to clean roads and parking areas, too bad little princess was inconvenienced lol, many seniors were struggling to clear their driveways, instead of complaining pick up a shovel and help a neighbour!!! And really adding in the part about your father's heart attack just makes you look like a spoiled selfish brat....I would have left my car behind before I would have asked my father to exert himself, at least 2 people died shovelling snow in the niagara region last storm they had!! Shame on you!!!
moem 2/20/2013 12:49:32 AM Report

And they shouldn't print these letters without a name... Like the sault star... Perhaps broke student is ashamed to have called a father who had a heart attack to push a car... Or maybe that was an embelishment and a name would draw attention to it!!! Lol
hannahg93 2/20/2013 1:38:04 AM Report

This is EXACTLY how i feel. It would have taken 20 minutes at the most for a plow to do the entire lot in the morning before students who pay an arm and a leg to park in a field across the street. I was stuck for an hour in the morning. And another hour in the afternoon. No one helped, no sidewalk snow blower guy was there (and besides thats not his job). It's Sault Ste Marie's college and there is a certain reputation to uphold, and yes i realize the storm obviously affected the entire city, but that also brings up another issue; its as if the city panicks and no plows go where they are needed, they just keep scraping second line and great northern. I will be asking for my money back for parking, which is $180.
Spyyder 2/20/2013 1:56:26 AM Report

The college doesn't care if students go to school or not, they already have their money, so why should they give a damn about snow removal? The college provides a fourth rate education anyway so why bother to even go there. $10000 is a lot for a crap shoot when all is said and done especially when a large portion of college aged students work for minimum wage!

For example taking Police Foundations or Law and Security should result in a policing job, not contract security... Culinary arts should result in cooking in a fine dining establishment, not flipping burgers on the grill at McDonalds or labouring at a greasy spoon!!

The taxes we are paying result in nothing, I'd honestly like to see where the money is going!
At least education is provided free of charge in many parts of the European Union...
wabos 2/20/2013 6:16:50 AM Report

For all you who say suck it up its northern Ontario just rember that when someone slides in the unplowed lot and smashes your into your car suck it up.
willoweep 2/20/2013 6:23:19 AM Report

Are some of you people for real?

My Husband is one of the "Loser" snow plow drivers who have been working 16-18 shifts to try and clear the snow.

It's not a matter of just straight plowing ,that parking lot is a disaster as far as efficient design for plowing
They can not plow where cars are parked. ,It started snowing at 4am ,it had already been announced there would be heavy snow fall all day..So suppose they rushed up and did the College first You would be snowed in again by 7AM.

By the way It takes 3 hrs to plow that College on a good day .

The Snow as you all know was wet and heavy that takes longer.

The snow needs put somewhere .

Lots of streets were not done all day !

We pay taxes too ,we get our driveways plugged with snow when the plows finally do get a chance to go by , we have 6 foot snow banks in front of our house .

But not being cry babies we understand we are in Northern ON .

I dont know how many times they get complaints about the noise they make at night plowing .

Grow up !
CrankxGirl 2/20/2013 6:53:47 AM Report

I dug my sunfire out three times yesterday by myself, and I didn't write an angry letter to sootoday. Welcome to NORTHERN ONTARIO, Welcome to WINTER. She should be glad she had someone to call on when she got stuck. Most people just left their cars at the college. Whatta crybaby, put a shovel in your trunk and possibly PREPARE for winter weather? Nahhhhh, more angry letters that do nothing!
JenRow90 2/20/2013 7:06:05 AM Report

The parking lot was untouched at 3pm, it probably wasn't until this complaint that something was done, its not the snow plow drivers fault..but students have a right to know where their money is going...and do any of you really carry a shovel in your car?
seen_your 2/20/2013 7:11:16 AM Report

Try living at Terry Fox Place.
woole44 2/20/2013 7:50:04 AM Report

So to the person who wrote this article good for you. You obviously were not the only one to call the college and complain after all many complaints had been put in. I'm glad you wrote this article something had to be said about it to the ones complaining well who cares if we live in northern Ontario the weather was still bad for northern Ontario nobody wanted to be out in that if they didnt have to be.the kid has the right to his opinion (as do you guys )and he spoke it you are all just mad cause you didn't have the privilege of writing the artical and having it posted. Again good artical and hope something is done better the next time something like this happens

moem 2/20/2013 7:50:52 AM Report

JenRo..... Yep in the winter I do!!!

Spydder.... Just as an FYI if you look into becoming a police officer before you take the course you will see that it doesn't help you become a cop and no point in taking it

Willoweep.... Tell your husband Thank you for his hardwork and dedication most people appreciate it... Except the assholes and who cares what they think lol
Prrrrrrr 2/20/2013 8:16:06 AM Report`s between the College and the Contractor...if the snow cannot be moved by the contractor because it`s an extreme case of fast falling heavy snow...they need to contact the College and they might cancel classes or they might realize the contractor cannot handle the job. We are part of Northern Ontario and you have to have the equipment and the manpower to handle a large contract to remove snow...maybe whoever awards the contract needs to look for another job! Note: The person who handles all the city Operations should be fired!!! I`ve dealt with this idiot before and found all that works is your alderman, if you have a good one.
K-Nish 2/20/2013 8:40:30 AM Report

These companies also pay for a level of service like anything else.. you get what you pay for..

Say walmart, and homedepot, sears... the malls.. have a level of service where it HAS to be plowed when the snow hits "two inches"

They pay for that level of service to get the plows out there @ ANYTIME of the day.

Next "If it gets over 6", it has to be done... out of business hours

Then there the... we'll get to it by Monday level of service...maybe

the college.. has the latter i'm sure

Also rememeber that these companies work by imporantce as well

schools, medical centres, (mayors house) are done FIRST

Economic drivers, second

Our sh**ty ass apartments... last

And @ the student.. be glad your up here for school... when i went i paid 30 dollars a month @ school and 76 dollars a month at my own Apt.. for my truck to have some place to live... then if you went to a (big) mall or shopping in the Core.. you pay then too... the sault is cheep to live in that respect
kitten67 2/20/2013 8:50:57 AM Report

with hundreds of students paying 160 each semester ( not a year) i would think they could keep the parking lot at least in decent shape. My daughter had to call her her boyfriend to help push her out yesterday. This is her first winter driving and the only problem she had had so far is in that parking lot.
yoyo165 2/20/2013 8:52:46 AM Report

Unfortuneatly, I believe in most local cases of paid parking, the revenues go into general cauffers, or to pay down a debt, rather than back into upgrading/maintaining parking lots.

Both Sault College and AU have grown like crazy in recent years. AU had a master plan, they squared away they're parking prior to building new buildings....SC took a more piecemeal approach, and tried to solve a problem with quick and dirty gravel parking areas....
Lynds 2/20/2013 9:13:01 AM Report

"I don't think that people realize how much of a financial burden all of these costs are for a student, for their parents, spouses, etc. Its not about whining because it has snowed, its the fact that these people pay for parking and nothing been done with this parking lot in a long time."

LOL actually, there are quite a few of us who just graduated, so we are aware of the expenses. In fact, those of us who went to university rather than college have even more. I don't remember being so mad about such little things. Thank you for at least making the distinction between tuition dollars and what she pays for parking. They are two separate fees.
Moonshiner 2/20/2013 9:28:30 AM Report

Why did they just not call it a snow day?...problem solved!
adriennesee 2/20/2013 9:39:30 AM Report

i agree with this 100%.. I was also stuck in the parking lot for half an hour yesterday in a 4x4 truck with winter tires. When students pay almost $200 a year to park, and each parking lot can contain a minimum of 500 cars, most likely more, thats $100,000 dollars a year they are making, yet the cant afford to plow on one of the worst snow days. This wasn't a surprise, the weather network and all other news sources talked about the storm all Monday. If they can't get the resources to plow the parking lots, or they expect they won't be able to, they should just cancel class, plain and simple. Which they did eventually, at 4:30, after everyone had already got stuck leaving.
Oct Fest 2/20/2013 9:49:07 AM Report

I got stuck in the college parking lot as well! I had just helped a few guys push their car out, and then another few guys helped me out. It's nice to see how people can work together!
frauleinbroomhilda 2/20/2013 9:53:58 AM Report

Trust me when I say this...the maintenance guys that maintain the grass in the summer and do snow removal in the winter around the college are inside sitting on their butts, doing nothing but drinking coffee and getting paid. They're protected by their union. NICE! Wake up Sault College and see what your maintenance crew is really doing! Only saw a couple of guys ever work in there over the years and now they're retired. Poor school has gone down since. Help the students you lazy bunch!!!! Grab a shovel instead of a donut!
govenator87 2/20/2013 10:21:21 AM Report

I was stuck too , I'm not angry at the drivers they do a damn good job, I'm not angry at the person I talked too either , but in this situation. There was no reason for the parking lot to still be 100% covered at 3pm, it's not the contractors fault if they are busy then find someone else there's hundreds of students I'm sure one of them has a truck plow , there's just so many ways this situation could have been dealt with. There's got to be accountability somewhere and needs to be a contingency in place. From the time the snow stopped until the time I got back to the lot was 8 hours and after 8 hours passed , nothing done ? C'mon ...
Just Curious 2/20/2013 10:42:49 AM Report

adrennesee. If you were stuck in a 4x4 with snow tires you clearly don't have a clue about driving and should probably turn in your licence,or at least get a seasonal one just for summer driving..Sheesh ,what a crock...C'mon people it's the Soo and it's winter...:)
jojoe71 2/20/2013 10:54:09 AM Report

I don't see how the mention of the father coming out to push the car gives this story any credence. The man just survived a massive heart attack? What child in their right mind would ask a father in that condition to push their car? And what's with the father to do such a thing? He must have a death wish.Sounds like a dysfunctional family to me.
Ricatoni 2/20/2013 12:34:46 PM Report

Contractors at work..LMAO!!!!!!!!
wabos 2/20/2013 12:40:18 PM Report

jojoe71 the father might have drove the car as the others pushed just think a little no one in their right mind would push after a heart problem. the letter said father & family
willoweep 2/20/2013 1:43:20 PM Report

frauleinbroomhilda Are you a fiction writer ? If not you should be.

What you wrote is a crock! Have you ever tried to hide a big yellow loader so you could sit and have coffee?

And just for your learned notebook ,the Company there is not union and they work damn hard.

And yes Snow removal is on Contract with certain criteria ,some are every day regardless some are 2" of snow some are call in.

But please if you must throw a Hissy fit go kick one of our 6 foots Snowbanks .

Some of you Collage Kids sound more like High School level mentality.

How dare the World in convenience you !

Darkwing 2/20/2013 1:48:17 PM Report

Should be titled "sault college student upset about life being hard hoo"
Hearst Street 2/20/2013 1:59:45 PM Report

regards to this comment..
Trust me when I say this...the maintenance guys that maintain the grass in the summer and do snow removal in the winter around the college are inside sitting on their butts, doing nothing but drinking coffee and getting paid. They're protected by their union. NICE! Wake up Sault College and see what your maintenance crew is really doing! Only saw a couple of guys ever work in there over the years and now they're retired. Poor school has gone down since. Help the students you lazy bunch!!!! Grab a shovel instead of a donut!

2/20/2013 9:53:58 AM

In regards to this comment, let me say how wrong you are…..In 30 years of being married I have never interfered or commented on my husbands performance or lack of performance at work. This is disgusting. Now lets get the facts correct. Snow removal is contracted to Robinson contractors. It is them your anger should be directed at, not my husband. If you really think my husband does nothing but sit inside drinking coffee and eating donuts all day then ask the 53 people whose cars he pushed out yesterday, obviously you did not walk on the sidewalks that were shovelled, and you were not the one putting A535 on his back last night. Give credit where credit is due. There are only 2 that’s right 2 men responsible for the outside of the college yes there are many more in the maintenance department who have specific jobs not designated to outside maintenance work, they work outside when necessary. And they did yesterday. I know for a fact that the maintenance facilitator was on the phone Robinson Contractors in the morning trying to get the lot done and also went to check out the other lots the contractor has contractors with to see if it was just the College not done or his other Contracts. This will be a issue between the contractor and Sault College not the maintenance men who sit around drinking coffee and eating donuts. I would be more than happy to mail you my husbands job description as per his Sault college contract, not the union contract, and believe me it is not just outside work, there are many functions that they perform inside that do not pertain to outside work, so just because you don’t see them pushing a snow blower or cutting grass does not mean they are not working. How many times have been to functions in the college where set ups are required, who do you think does these, how many times have you been to your teachers office, do u think their desks and office equipment just magically appear. So never, never comment on my husbands performance or lack of performance until you do his job. I would like to see you try for one day because I know myself I could never do what he does in a day. Lets just say I am not embarrassed to sign my name to this letter, and never in 30 years have had to justify my husbands job to anyone. You also state the only ones you saw working have now retired. Really that is amazing, since the only 2 who have retired were the maintenance facilitator who did no physical work and the person responsible for heating, so how does this affect the snow and grass work?
So those are the real facts and I have many more for you since my husband has worked full time in the maintenance department since 1978. Yes that’s right 35 years. Funny how things have suddenly gone down hill, now that 2 people have retired, who did not see to the outside maintenance of the college.
Gwen Sanderson
Sam C 2/20/2013 2:46:30 PM Report

Uh... you live in the Sault, and this is what winter is like. There's little to no point plowing a parking lot until it stops snowing AND there are only so many contractors.

On a normal night, they can get to all their customers and have the lots cleaned by the start of the day. After a dumping like we got yesterday, it takes longer.

mixerman55 2/20/2013 3:14:11 PM Report

Snow started at 4 am the college is plowed by a contractor and its 2 inches before they have to plow,even at 2 inches an hour puts it to 5 am, mean while they have already called guys out to start plowing their other contracts, So if nothing got done. that would not surprise me at all, If they had time they would have gone back and plowed the roads at the college an that's all because they also have Day contracts. So if it starts snowing at 4am then the next time be prepared to get stuck, The collage is usually the first one they do or start doing.If it snows all night then you will be walking in snow the next morning the roads might be the only thing plowed, So children get use to it, I am sure the contractor will give you a roll of paper towel to dry up your tears.Have a good day
wabos 2/20/2013 3:39:53 PM Report

interesting 500 cars or more $100000 per year in fees think the school could buy a plow truck and hire a new staff member for that I think thay could find someone
dont you?
Adam L 2/20/2013 5:13:11 PM Report

Spend a couple more hundred on some winter tires and you don't have to worry. Also learning to drive in the winter doesn't hurt either I drive an accent and didn't get stuck once!
moem 2/20/2013 5:34:40 PM Report


Sure the father might have driven but if so why bring it up like that in such a dramatic way???


You beat me to it!! Lol how can anyone get stuck in that amount of snow with a 4x4??? Lol
stiJJy 2/20/2013 7:39:58 PM Report

Some people have a really warped sense of reality if they think that parking lot could possibly have been plowed and clear of snow. As stated above, it takes 3 hours to clean, and it snowed all day. On any given day, by about 9am it is completely full of cars. Considering a plow can't do anything near cars, how do you expect it would've been clear of snow when it snowed all day? Jeez.
moem 2/20/2013 8:15:15 PM Report

Maybe they should raise the rates to match parking rates at schools in Toronto.... Then students here could see what it's like to have really high fees and of course the college could pay more money to a contractor and make the school a top priority!!!

And to the woman who wrote to defend her husband.... Good for you, people are either really stupid or totally ignorant if they think that anyone in the plant department was sitting on their asses drinking coffee all day yesterday!!! Make your hubby a special dinner this weekend, and let him sleep in!!!!
frauleinbroomhilda 2/20/2013 9:56:03 PM Report

Hearst Street: Wow!!!! Your husband is one of the people I was talking about!!!! 53 CARS?????? No Chance!!!! No wonder the entrances weren't shovelled. WOW!!! I'M NOT STUPID ENOUGH TO REVEAL MY NAME! Hey Gwen...have a snow day on me! lol lol lol
frauleinbroomhilda 2/20/2013 9:56:03 PM Report

Hearst Street: Wow!!!! Your husband is one of the people I was talking about!!!! 53 CARS?????? No Chance!!!! No wonder the entrances weren't shovelled. WOW!!! I'M NOT STUPID ENOUGH TO REVEAL MY NAME! Hey Gwen...have a snow day on me! lol lol lol
willoweep 2/21/2013 5:59:13 AM Report

Hearst street ,while I totally appreciate your defense of your Husband please try to understand my Husband works for the contractor you mentioned and trust me they too do everything possible to get the job done .

They don't want to be out there any longer than they have to either .

Unlike your Husband who is probably Union and works 8 hrs a day, mine leaves as soon as he is called out and oft times does not get home for 16 or more hrs ,only to come home eat sleep and go back out to haul the snow away or provide salt & sand

.There is a huge difference between maneuvering a small plow and a huge pay loader around the parking lots up there.

So lets at least not point fingers about who does what , they are both doing the best they can under the circumstances.

And yes some lots probably are done
first .The Collage has a 2" of snow before they can plow contract ,so it would not be the first lot they would go to .
Further more they have foreman out driving around all night watching snow conditions ,after all we all know we can trust the weather channel right?

If getting stuck in a Parking lot is the worst thing that has happened to anyone during a Blizzard consider it a lucky day .

The mess of that and Hundreds more lots plus streets was not anybody's "fault" .

The Snow fell lots and lots of it it was dealt with the best way it could be.

And lets be honest while the College is a vital part of our Community so are our other Schools ,Apt building where People need to get out to work ,etc.

It really true is NOT that big of a deal.

The college hearing the same storm warnings could have called a Snow day ,they didn't .

It seems to me to be one of those pass the buck situations.

It was a snow storm not the end of the world.
wabos 2/21/2013 7:20:45 AM Report

I think you all miss the point its not the contractors or workers its the admin of the collage $160 per car 500 cars or more =$80,000+ a semester dose it cost $80,000 a semester to take care of one lot for $50,000 a year I will sit their all day with a snowblower to help people out would you? where is all that money going hummmm
wabos 2/21/2013 7:21:30 AM Report

I think you all miss the point its not the contractors or workers its the admin of the collage $160 per car 500 cars or more =$80,000+ a semester dose it cost $80,000 a semester to take care of one lot for $50,000 a year I will sit their all day with a snowblower to help people out would you? where is all that money going hummmm
Adam L 2/21/2013 8:04:33 AM Report

Do you live in the 60's? How far do you actually think 50000$ gets you when you have to pay staff fuel and heavy machinery costs? Next time you see Peter Pan and Captain Hook in fantasy land tell them I said hi lol! $50000 that's what the hospital pays every 3 weeks for snow removal the college is about 1/3 the size. Give your head a shake!
wabos 2/21/2013 8:11:38 AM Report

If you can read I said me and a snowblower $1500 for a blower and a can gas I,ll still make $40,000 a year NO HEAVY EQUIPMENT JUST WORK FOR ONE GUY better than $10.00 hr
Hearst Street 2/21/2013 8:14:28 AM Report

yes willow weep you are correct. your husband does work hard. and he is appreciated by those in the same situation. But it was not your family members who was accused of drinking coffee and eating donuts all day with no facts.

And I will admit it was a typo of 53 after having a535 on my brain.
The amount is not the issue. The issue is people are making slanderous allegation with no facts to back them and after making such comments cannot even post there real names.

Maybe Sootooday should make it so people can only make comments if they post there real name, I am sure it would stop a lot of people from shooting their mouths off about something they know nothing about..

I did not post that comment to slam the contractor it was in defense of the employees at Sault College, union or no union, it makes no difference. That comment should have been removed when I contacted sootoday and it was not. There are 2 sides to every story.
I am very sorry if I have hurt your feelings as it was not my intention after having it done to us. The intention was parking lots have nothing to do with the maintenance staff.
mixerman55 2/21/2013 8:27:10 AM Report

It takes two graders and three loaders on a normal snow fall to plow that college,taking three hours to plow lots and loading areas and roads. on heavy snow falls 4 graders 6 loaders and come back a second time to do roads if it snows all night, could take longer if they have break downs or short handed.then they have station mall 2 to 3 hours zellers plaza 2 hours Walmart 2 hours soomill 1 to 2 hours Marconi 1 hour or less and about 4 other places to do before day shift takes over on day plowing of apt. buildings hotels and other small if it starts snowing at 4 am somebody is going to get left out.The college could get a contractor to plow the school a couple of times a night but expect your cost to rise for parking. oh the cost is about $80.00 to $100.00 per hour on each machine doing the plowing not counting the operators or the cost of fuel and trucks used for removal and of snow and sanding of roads that is added into a contract.So the guy that said it would take 20 minutes to plow that lot needs to give his head a shake. There was not that much snow really. it was heavy wet snow that's why everybody was getting stuck.
frauleinbroomhilda 2/21/2013 8:59:10 AM Report

Willowweep: Sorry...I never meant the contractors that are out all night slaving in the elements till all hours. I realize they were running steady and it's impossible to be at two, three and four places at once. Thank God for all the snow plowing people out there keeping our streets save and clean. We are thankful to you all every winter. Keep up the great work.
frauleinbroomhilda 2/21/2013 10:34:21 AM Report

Hearst Street: I know alot that goes on at the college because I've worked there as well!!! You are not there to witness all the so called hard work that goes on. We hear, put it in the book!!! In other words...when we get to it, we get to it! Defend all you want...we know different. Sign your name all you want, there's comments to be posted and if the truth just put your hubby up the river with no paddle. Get a life Gwen Sanderson! Now on to some real issues!!! Thank you contractors with big plows for your continued hard work!!!
Ricatoni 2/21/2013 12:20:25 PM Report

willowweep: its is illegal to drive more than thirteen hours in a 24 hour period so if you say your hubby is working 16 hours the contractor he is working for is breaking the law not only that they are putting your husband and the public at risk.maybe the MOL should start doing their jobs and investigate some of these contractors as it would seem they are all breaking the law.. Imagine that contractors putting your husband and the public at risk.....??????who would of thought???
willoweep 2/21/2013 3:00:13 PM Report

Ricatoni,do you want a paddle to stir that with?

First of all he had to get out to the location on the Hwy through Blizzard conditions , and surprise surprise they have to do circle inspections and warm up their machines ,and they do stop for coffee .

Anyway I am done justifying all the Men who are out their doing their best in a bad situation to appease a bunch of People who couldn't do what they do ,But like to belly ache about how someone else does it.

BroomHilda or whatever your name is ,you are being nasty, flaunting that ladies name around while you hide yours,and make your accusations .

I guess you are the only one at the College that is always on the job? give me a break.

Mrs Sanderson (I am sorry this doesn't allow for scroll back to check spelling) . You didn't offend me :)

Guess we are from the old school we both been Married over 30 years, to hard working Men, and we appreciate them.

Have a good day ,don't let People bother you .

Hey didn't someone by the name of BroomHilda ride a broom in some story ? :):)
Stugatzu 2/21/2013 5:44:21 PM Report

Ricatoni: Plow/snow removal crews don't have to follow the HOURS OF SERVICE laws as they apply to Commercial Vehicle Operators. AND, if you're working within a 150km radius of your home base -- you are not required to keep a log book.

Very much possible to work a 16 hour day with a plow.

You obviously don't know what you're talking about.
H.E.T. 2/21/2013 6:49:16 PM Report

Another broke student

Next time it storms get in your little car and follow a snow removal crew for the night. The army of men, women and machines and support crew doing repairs and supplying fuel work hard at a very fast pace. Before you assume these people to be uneducated lowlifes that can't get a better job, know that you are for the most part wrong. I have three college degrees and I will gladly work outside with these people rather than be a cubical pencil pusher. Another thing you should realize is parking lots are a privilege and the college does NOT have to provide parking. Go to a big city and drive for an hour then pay $30 a day to park then take a go train the rest of the way, your half hour inconvenience will seem like nothing then. Think about this, one crew has many lots to do, if they finish that lot at 2 or 3 AM and move on to the next job and it storms at 5 AM, do they screw the job they are on to go back and make you happy or carry on with their routine?
If you can do better feel free to get a job on snow removal and show em how its done.
Stugatzu 2/22/2013 9:20:42 AM Report

H.E.T - well said. I think very few slack jawed talkers on this site actually have a clue of the responsibilities and work performed by snow/road/construction crews. Everyone's a professional in a field they know nothing about. I totally agree about the stigma that some people portray that operators/workers are uneducated people. Quite a few of us have university degrees and are capable of getting suit and tie jobs.

There's something about being trusted with equipment that easily exceeds the $100,000 mark... being told "this is YOUR machine, take care of it"... and being trusted to do a job that the rest of the public DEPENDS ON YOU TO PERFORM.

Snow/Road/Construction/Truck crews are the unsung heros of our society. We bitch and moan about their work...we even run a few of them over while they do spot-checks on the side of the highway.... We can't say "Good Job" or "Nice Work" to them... we can only bitch and moan that their jobs are easy, and that ANYONE could do it.
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