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Batchewana First Nation seeks millions for loss of river fishery

Monday, January 28, 2013   by: SooToday.com Staff

Batchewana First Nation of Ojibways is launching a specific claim for compensation for the loss of the historic whitefish fishery at the rapids/falls of the St. Marys River at Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario.

A Batchewana FN media advisory states: "Canada is liable to BFN for the economic losses it suffered due to the loss of the whitefish fishery. The Crown had a fiduciary duty to protect this asset and failed to do so. The First Nation is claiming damages in the amount (capped by the monetary jurisdiction limit) of $150 million."

Further details will be provided by Batchewana First Nation Chief Dean Sayers (shown in file photo) at news conference tomorrow at the Batchewana administration office.

 

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steve53000 1/28/2013 2:18:47 PM Report

GREED
Sleve 1/28/2013 2:21:30 PM Report

How True is this ?

When 82 First Nations chiefs and band councillors make more than the prime minister, all while many of their people live in abject poverty, something is horribly amiss. It's not new, but it is amiss.
In Alberta alone, for example, 47 chiefs and councillors made more last year than the PM's $317,574.
We have serious reservations about that.(no pun intended)
Now, since the money these chiefs and councillors pocket is grant money from taxpayers, auditing their books in search of ne'er-do-wells and misappropriated dollars would normally receive no political push-back.
But the Liberals need ink, don't they? They're a political embarrassment in search of some buzz. So, looking for a headline grabber, along comes Liberal aboriginal affairs critic Carolyn Bennett to label the newly introduced First Nations Transparency Act -- Bill C-27 – a "racist" and "paternalistic" piece of legislation. Well done, Ms. Bennett. There's your news hit. Now please go away.
There is absolutely nothing "racist" or "paternalistic" about Bill C-27, a vital and long-overdue piece of legislation that deserves quick passage so that all Canada will finally get to know down which hole the billions in First Nations' grant money goes.
From the outside looking in, and this is what raises many hackles, it would appear that too many chiefs and not enough Indians are living the good life on the taxpayers' dime. Bill C-27 should clear up the mess up. Much like the CBC vs. the Taxpayer, First Nations band members deserve transparency and accountability from their elected officials, and they are not getting it when their leaders refuse to come clean with where the government's money goes, or how much goes into their own pockets. What is "racist" about that?
Now, you may have never heard of the Glooscap First Nation reserve in Nova Scotia but you might be interested to know that one Mi'kmaq politician there pulled in almost $1 million in pay in 2010, while band councillors each earned between $210,000 and $260,000. Now, close your eyes and try to envision just how big the Glooscap First Nation must be to warrant such mammoth salaries. Give up? Well, in 2009, the population actually living on the reserve was 87. We didn't drop any zeroes.
ThinkAgain 1/28/2013 2:27:10 PM Report

Oh just another reason to protest again, here we go again
TankGirl 1/28/2013 2:28:45 PM Report

Hahahahahahahaha! Good luck with that Chief.

MissionToVenis41 1/28/2013 2:28:58 PM Report

Native overfishing!
steve53000 1/28/2013 2:29:39 PM Report

now that is a well read and written statement ty fer the info
right wing 1/28/2013 2:30:36 PM Report

Sleve

This is the link to the story from 2010 when it first surfaced.
Notice the Limo parked in a band councilors driveway.

The system is broken but the abuse of money and power is the very reason some do not want it fixed.

http://tinyurl.com/abje7yd
MissionToVenis41 1/28/2013 2:36:23 PM Report

Wholley Jumping Limo's!

Where does one get an application to become a CHIEF!

I wanna be a CHIEF!
Ski-Dude 1/28/2013 2:39:41 PM Report

There will be no sufficient evidence to prove that there has ever been native over fishing. There will be no documents to prove anything. I could see Batch actually getting a settlement for this.
OMGWTF 1/28/2013 2:40:55 PM Report

All the millions they will get from wind energy is now going to go to lawyers to fight this loosing proposition. They need to look inward to ask their Chiefs where does the money go...but they won't do that for fear of retribution. Give them a secure platform to whistleblow on these greedy few.
fatafr 1/28/2013 2:42:07 PM Report

Breaking news today: former chief of gull bay reserve, 175 km north of Thunder Bay gone AWAL; millions of dollars missing.I just heard on the news today that the former chief has gone missing and millions of taxpayers' money is no where to be found. Also,the councillors were fired the day before the new chief took over. The new chief, Chief King, is very upset because the reserve is in financial trouble with over $130,000 bills to pay with a bank account that has been drained. Chief King was the chief in 2010, at that time leaving the reserve with a $ 1.2 million dollar surplus.
This current former chief has committed a serious crime and must be brought to justice. Has the RCMP been contacted to track down this alleged criminal ? Where is the money going to come from to bail out this reserve ?
There are some very serious issues here that have to be addressed. Is the Conservative government going to deal with this as, we sure know they would, if a similar crime was committed by a non-native ?

steve53000 1/28/2013 2:42:19 PM Report

I guess the next response should be WHEN HAVE WE HAD ENOUGH
right wing 1/28/2013 2:42:23 PM Report

Re: Glooscap First Nation reserve in Nova Scotia.

Comment made by Halliday running for election as the new Chief.

"Halliday said the Councillors and chief are paid well for what they do but this is reviewed and approved by the membership."

...the phrase "the fox minding the hen-house" comes to mind.
MissionToVenis41 1/28/2013 2:45:36 PM Report

He fled to seek counselling from Chief Spense!

Ski-Dude 1/28/2013 2:50:32 PM Report

I'm sure our tax money will. The FN has a lot of money and the fight has just started.
231Turbo6 1/28/2013 2:53:23 PM Report

Dean Sayers will hype any issue just to get his name in the paper, or get his face on T.V
inferno 1/28/2013 3:01:46 PM Report

It is much easier to ask for money than to work for it.
coats 1/28/2013 3:02:33 PM Report

and it continues........on and on and on and on......take, take, take. SIMPLE SOLUTION.....THE SAME RULES FOR EVERYONE!!!! We all have to live here and NO ONE deserves any special privleges. NO RACISM....WE ARE ALL THE SAME!!!!
OMGWTF 1/28/2013 3:08:08 PM Report

Ask Sayers to give up his $250,000 Ford GT
sweetthing 1/28/2013 3:08:41 PM Report

For years this has been going on money money more money . Just like Idle no more they seem to forget we r limited to what we can catch or hunt and follow the guidelines the get what they want and more than they need . I thought they had a lot of money helping out their people now funds are running short they need to replenish it they do so by scamming the government they should be responsible for this they over fish and hunt because they can . How sad that they would seek this money for them over fishing
Stevie-E 1/28/2013 3:13:30 PM Report

The hits just keep comin' folks. I am tired of this crap.

Dear politicians everywhere who give a damn:

Please put an end to this or you will see a modern day civil war.

Dear FN people:

You made your bed, now lie in it. You have lost any support from the majority for years to come and have just set your people back 100 years. GFY
Tom_Bom 1/28/2013 3:17:38 PM Report

I'm sorry, that's just ridiculous.
dob131 1/28/2013 3:17:54 PM Report

They Natives are pushing and pushing. Pretty soon they wont be able to push any more. And the people will start pushing back. They should quit while they are ahead.
Tommy2Toes 1/28/2013 3:20:47 PM Report

Did someone just pickup the fishery and move it away? As far as I knew it was still where it has been for years and years...
dob131 1/28/2013 3:20:59 PM Report

When is it going to end? In a thousands years, will the natives still be saying they are the natives to this country. Blend in already wtf
Steve77 1/28/2013 3:24:26 PM Report

Chief Spence used all the whitefish for her fish broth hunger strike.
Ricatoni 1/28/2013 3:26:33 PM Report

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
khari 1/28/2013 3:28:52 PM Report

Wow!! Your right, here we go again!! This all boils down to native netting.Three falls ago out at grow cap, one man netted 3600 pounds of whitefish a day for 6 weeks, all off there spawning beds.Those whitefish never had a chance to spawn.You go out there in the summer and there's nets all over from grow cap right back to the gates. The m.n.r. does nothing but blame the whiteman and the sport fisherman. Keep in mind people. There will come a day when the whitefish will completely be all gone and the natives are to be blamed for it and the goverment can't do a thing about the natives netting as much as they can. Now the natives are blaming the goverment because they are the ones that are cleaning our lake out of whitefish. What a joke!! What's next!!!
MissionToVenis41 1/28/2013 3:29:41 PM Report

OMG Steve !
Forsaken502 1/28/2013 3:32:52 PM Report

Somebody should inform him just being too lazy to go out and fish doesnt mean the fishery has been destroyed. I know lots of people who fish in that area and are successful
Christina216 1/28/2013 3:34:02 PM Report

please remember that not ALL natives agree with this.
Me Myself an I 1/28/2013 3:36:16 PM Report

Local charities should file a lawsuit against them for loss of Bingo revenues..
Tom_Bom 1/28/2013 3:38:35 PM Report

So from what I understand, they netted and sold all of the fish essentially killing off the white fish population, and now they want compensation for something they've done to themselves?

Please correct me if i'm wrong here.
Tommy2Toes 1/28/2013 3:46:54 PM Report

Christina216...I agree, but, have you ever heard the phrase..."One bad apple...."? The bad apple just launched a lawsuit against the Gov't in the name of the people of his "nation"...sorry, gotta deal with it now.
Ski-Dude 1/28/2013 3:56:26 PM Report

Where can I find accurate information regarding the actual amount of fish the Batch reserve residents actually take in? I'm only guessing there won't be any. I'm actually kind of impressed that Batch FN noticed that they can easily point the finger in the Governments direction as there is no evidence to support otherwise! Sneaky!
Hatch 1/28/2013 3:58:17 PM Report

Chief Dean Sayers is so blinded by greed that he can't see how this will work against him, the people he represents and those the INM movement is trying to rally for support.
Really?? 1/28/2013 3:59:18 PM Report

UNEFFENBELIEVABLE!!!! When is enough, gonna be enough?? Why don't the native supporters on this website comment on the true facts of these Chiefs making so much money??

All we ever hear them say is "poor us" and accuse us, the white man, of being racist when we ask those questions!!

Are the indian people really that intellectually challenged?? I mean, come on people, don't you think, even for a freaking second, that there is something wrong with the fact that you are living in extreme poverty, and your beloved hero Chiefs and councillors are raking in six figure salaries??

I'm pretty sure a nine year old could see a problem with that, why not these indians?? It kind of makes you wonder!!!
noitznotme 1/28/2013 3:59:51 PM Report

All non FN's people should stand up, stand tall and stand strong once and for all. This whole story is getting old for way too long. I vote for a peoples war. Who's in? Won't take long. While we're at it lets dig a deep ditch in the east boundary of the Soo. I personally have zero issue with having to drive completely around them. Small price to pay to not have to hear or see them . Tell those less vocal to join one side or the other. While we're at we business owners should revoke or refuse to honor their socalled status. Wanna shop or drive here, then pay like the rest of us. Jm2c worth.
mac2 1/28/2013 4:15:41 PM Report

trying to incite a war? lol
Norm 1/28/2013 4:20:27 PM Report

Perhaps INM is all about money, Sayers might of just solidified that. Harper won't throw money at the FN people
anytime soon. Millions of dollars are given to the FN bands across Canada every year. The government, or taxpayer if you will, has to draw the line on what seems to be a never ending money pit.
Tommy2Toes 1/28/2013 4:20:33 PM Report

mac2...we can peacefully blockade their route into town just as they've blocked our route out of town. Fair is fair, right?
Wicket 1/28/2013 4:22:50 PM Report

Shouldn't be too hard to find out how much money is being paid out locally for whitefish. Just check with all the restaurants and local grocery stores who buy fresh whitefish, sometimes twice a week. Add it all up for every place for every week of the year - they will also have how many pounds they buy, so that information can also be gleaned.
mac2 1/28/2013 4:26:34 PM Report

block away! people's war though? :O
broy 1/28/2013 4:28:38 PM Report

I like every comment on here
mac2 1/28/2013 4:34:50 PM Report

if you do get your war going, watch out, because your enemies are going to use this on you!

http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/01/28/miniature-star-trek-style-tractor-beam-finally-created-in-lab/
iamscottie 1/28/2013 4:54:48 PM Report

can you tell there is an election coming up for batchewana... the chief is looking for votes
anapeg 1/28/2013 5:33:23 PM Report

Natives make up 3.8 percent of the total population. I wonder what percentage of the national budget they receive, then these people wish to sue a government they told point blank to stay out of Native affairs for not restricting their fishing. Sad thing is, they will get the lions share of what they want.
jlr 1/28/2013 6:00:38 PM Report

They want want want. Always demands with threats behind them. They need to learn just how unsympathetic we are to their cause. So tired of hearing about their issues. Never ends. I agree with noitznotme. They expect us to be submissive to their carryon. They need to see retaliation. I personally thought Idle no more was a declaration that they were all getting jobs.
Mim 1/28/2013 6:04:32 PM Report

This one is pretty much the easiest one to fix. I promise to never go to another wihitfish fish fry! I promise to never buy whitefish at the groc store and I promise promise promise, to never fish for white fish again. Can we drop the suit!!!!
Tommy2Toes 1/28/2013 6:10:17 PM Report

this lawsuit won't even make it to court. It will be shot down as soon as a judge reads the reasoning behind it.
jojoe71 1/28/2013 6:18:44 PM Report

Will the 150 million be divided amongst all the band members equally? Just wondering.
cjborg 1/28/2013 6:41:00 PM Report

We should all try to remember that Batchewana is a NATION??????. What a crock... Does (Thief) Sayers (like Spense) want to sit down with PM Harper to try and negotiate this one?????? Where will he get the fish broth sustenance now???????

All I can say is ENOUGH IS ENOUGH....

I hope FN people of Batchewan and other FIRST NATIONS wake up and could start the process of giving their CHIEF/s & their co-horts..... what he/they rightly deserve .... the boot....
mac2 1/28/2013 7:19:17 PM Report

i think bush said it best! "NEW WORLD ORDER" LOL
ackw 1/28/2013 7:22:24 PM Report

Eagles would be extinct if it weren,t for whites.
mac2 1/28/2013 7:24:15 PM Report

what about the asian eagle!
mac2 1/28/2013 7:29:24 PM Report

did you guys hear the one about the donkey dressed in a star spangled banner suit that ask the fortune teller to tell him his future, the fortune teller replied, i would, but i can't read chinese! lol
moosehunter 1/28/2013 9:06:15 PM Report

First off it's not Chief Sayers GT 500, the owner of that car is a very successful business man who has nothing to do with politics and is a good friend. How much does the BFN Chief earn??? It is about $85,000 per year plus travel expenses so putting him somewhere in the neighbourhood of $115k-135k. Yes most of the BFN membership are not happy with this. He is using all of the wind-farm media and this Fishing Claim because of a Band election that is taking place (trying to buy votes) a political ploy if you will. The vote is on Feb 5. As for the councillors, they get a $1000 a month for their councillor seat. Mind you some make alot more then others, once again this is because of travelling. One councillor earned more the $49,000. BFN membership was not to pleased with this. There is a group of people who are trying to get in who are well educated, who all have young families, who all want to make a difference for their communities and to create partnerships with Sault Ste. Marie and Garden River to work together. For those that don't know Garden River and Batchewana are two separate First Nations. I hope this helps some of you have a little more insight, these facts are true as I have seen the audit with my own eyes.....
true canadian 1/28/2013 10:04:56 PM Report

why don't we just do a trade?,, money from "river fisheries",, for the wind farm money we are putting up for them?,, by the way,,, we as "white men" use fishing rods,, not nets,, we get fined if we use nets,,hey,, FN's should abide by the same laws for fishing and hunting,(by the way,, FN's are still hunting up north,, taking moose as they "yard up",, by the way,, a cow moose right now could have 2 calves in her right now,, so when you shoot her,, well there goes 3 moose!!!,, wow great conservation to the native ways eh?, pretty much with fish and anything else,, which intern messes with the ecology,but FN's knows best eh?,, man I hope I spelled and did my grammar right,, or I may be picked on.
Tom_Bom 1/28/2013 10:11:27 PM Report

Oh its a vote grab..... now i get it.
Dictionary 1/28/2013 10:33:43 PM Report

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.... ok wait, let me catch my breath...

hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Jchevs 1/28/2013 10:36:24 PM Report

Nicely put moosehunter

I'd also like to say that I had more fun reading the comments than the story itself.
Christina216 1/28/2013 11:44:58 PM Report

if this is his way of grabbing votes then i dont think it will work in his favor. i have quite a few friends that are bfn and they were shocked at this. most of them are fearing for their children and what they have to go through at school. just think about the comments that are being made here by "adults". can you imagine what the kids go through?
Kat 1/29/2013 12:39:36 AM Report

I wonder if Chief Sayers wants to sue the Sea Lamprey family? They all but destroyed the fisheries in the great lakes at one point. Perhaps the BFN should contribute to the SLCC instead, to keep efforts up to protect their net fishing business?
Beej 1/29/2013 7:44:08 AM Report

Steve77 1/28/2013 3:24:26 PM

"Chief Spence used all the whitefish for her fish broth hunger strike."

You mean her DIET.

And in the mean time we are all waiting for forensic accountants to show us where all the millions that disappeared into thin air really went, then she and anyone else involved can be held criminally accountable.

If Sayers ever had any credibility it's definitely down the crapper now, for good.
rockfeather 1/29/2013 7:46:51 AM Report

Its a vote grab... no work has been done on claims since last summer, thief dean is worried that he and his chosen council will be ousted, so much for the gravy train.. the bfn fishery used to be regulated extensively by a set of rules and monitored through fish sampling, fish catch reports, index netting. the bfn hired the top expert in whitefish biology for a number of years until thief dean got in - BFN voters: vote the bum out!!
crossbone 1/29/2013 10:27:31 AM Report

Just FYI, just recently NOV,2012 the MNR had to be contacted about nets set in Goulais bay that went unattended for 9 days. Ironically the next morning the Natives responsible showed and removed some of the nets and left the rest which were removed by the Ministry. The leftover nets contained many Whitefish and some Loons .This story should have went public as anyone else would have been fined and named in the paper and on this very website for the wrongs committed. I think the FNs should look at their own fishing practices before accusing anyone else for the loss of fisheries.
westofthesoo 1/29/2013 11:52:16 AM Report

is it wrong for someone to defend something they honour? sault ste marie was built on people working together and taking deep consideration to the future generations to come. People, please put aside name and blame and set an examlpe for the young readers of sootoday.com . Please continue to express yourself, but in a healthy way.

Thanks!!
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