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Grand Council chief declines Queen’s Jubilee medal

Tuesday, January 22, 2013   by: SooToday.com Staff

NEWS RELEASE

ANISHINABEK NATION

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UOI OFFICES (NIPISSING FN) (January 22, 2013 ) – Grand Council Chief Patrick Madahbee says the acceptance of a Queen’s Diamond Jubilee Medal would be inappropriate, since the Crown’s representative in Canada has refused to discuss the broken treaty relationship directly with First Nations representatives.
 
Madahbee [shown] was notified that he had been nominated to receive the medal – which honours outstanding contributions to Canada in recognition of Queen Elizabeth II’s 60 years of service to the British Commonwealth – at a January  24 ceremony in Toronto.
 
“I want to express my respect and gratitude to whomever nominated me,” said the Grand Council Chief. “But I hope they appreciate that, given the current political challenges being faced by First Nations in Canada, I do not feel it appropriate at this time for me to accept this award.
 
“The treaty relationship promised in the Royal Proclamation of 1763 has been broken by the current federal government. The Covenant Chain we accepted at Niagara in 1764 has been badly tarnished. Canada’s rule of law, as expressed in its Constitution and by its Supreme Court, is being ignored. The prime minister has an obligation to have the Queen’s representative involved in any discussions we have with his government about Canada’s obligations to honour the treaties.
Madahbee said the highest honour he has received was being chosen to speak on behalf of the 39 member communities of the Anishinabek Nation.
 
“Trinkets are no substitute for treaty rights.”
 
The Jubilee Medal program is administered through the office of Governor General David Johnston, the Queen’s representative in Canada, who refused earlier this month to participate in “policy meetings” with First Nations leaders in Ottawa.
 
The Anishinabek Nation established the Union of Ontario Indians as its secretariat in 1949.
 
The UOI is a political advocate for 39 member communities across Ontario, representing approximately 55,000 people.
 
The Union of Ontario Indians is the oldest political organization in Ontario and can trace its roots back to the Confederacy of Three Fires, which existed long before European contact.
 
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Viper2011 1/22/2013 10:47:13 AM Report

What no racist smart @** remarks yet
Christina216 1/22/2013 10:50:13 AM Report

give it time.
rcamp211 1/22/2013 10:55:15 AM Report

whatever...
Ginga 1/22/2013 10:55:45 AM Report

What treatie has been broken? We give and give and FN have nothing to show for it because their chiefs spend it and steal from their own people.
Hmmm 1/22/2013 11:00:22 AM Report

You have to admire this gentleman for standing behind his principles...perhaps other recipients of this recognition should re-evaluate their principles...
crashed13 1/22/2013 11:01:02 AM Report

England has nothing to do with Canadian affairs for along while.
Like they have no control over the States,Hong Kong,Australia,South Ireland and India any longer.
The Governor General is just a figure head of the past and is only for traditional respect of the past.

Not sure what they think the queen can do for them ,she does not have anything to do with the running of even England any longer. The English elected Parliament does that.

Its 2013 not 1492. Get with it.
James O'Brien 1/22/2013 11:07:08 AM Report

For some strange reason the name Conrad Black is starting to flash in my head.
Dreamer 1/22/2013 11:13:12 AM Report

Hats off to you Chief Madahbee ! Along with 4 other Women who refused the same honour denied this and are behind Idle No More ;)

Water = Life
Land = Life
Air = Life

No Water, No Land, No Air...NO LIFE ;(
I'm just sayin' 1/22/2013 11:13:59 AM Report

@ crash... Gov General is to Canada what the Pres is to the U.S.

http://www.gg.ca/document.aspx?id=3

copy and paste...



Four hundred years ago, Samuel de Champlain—a governor in all but name— fulfilled several duties and responsibilities that would later be carried out by the governors of New France and, after Confederation, by the governors general of Canada.

Canada became a country at Confederation in 1867. Our system of government is a constitutional monarchy and a parliamentary democracy. Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II is Queen of Canada and Head of State. The Governor General is the representative of the Queen in Canada.

The responsibilities of the governor general have evolved over time, along with the evolution of Canada as a sovereign and independent nation. In 1947, letters patent signed by King George VI redefine the powers of the governor general. These letters patent “authorize and empower Our Governor General, with the advice of Our Privy Council for Canada or any members thereof or individually, as the case requires, to exercise all powers and authorities lawfully belonging to Us in respect of Canada”. Since then, the governor general has daily and fully exercised the duties of the Head of State, not only in Canada, but also abroad. As per the letters patent, the governor general is also the commander-in-chief of Canada.

The governor general represents Canada during State visits abroad and receives Royal visitors, heads of State and foreign ambassadors at Rideau Hall and at the Citadelle of Québec.

The governor general presents honours and awards to recognize excellence, valour, bravery and exceptional achievements. The governor general is also the head of the Canadian Heraldic Authority.



right wing 1/22/2013 11:17:41 AM Report

crashed13

Exactly!
Good grief, I understand the want for discussions to take place but this ridiculous insistence that the Queen along with the G.G. having any power what-so-ever is just that, ridiculous.
It would be like Harper insisting he meet with Chief Pitikwahanapiwiyin.
The guy is as dead as the Queens influence on any treaties in Canada.
right wing 1/22/2013 11:26:36 AM Report

I'm just sayin'

You do understand the difference between a ceremonial head of state and the head of a government who actually makes policy, don't you?
The governor general acts solely on the advice of the Queen’s Privy Council, which means the prime minister and cabinet. The governor general is a ceremonial position that, under constitutional convention, has virtually no real power.
A meeting with Prince Charles would accomplish the same thing, nothing.
RLE 1/22/2013 11:27:34 AM Report

I agree the Queen's role in Canada is largely symbolic, therefore my question is,why is the is medal still be handed out in Canada? If it was stopped, nobody would be able to refuse it
right wing 1/22/2013 11:32:21 AM Report

RLE

It is symbolic, nothing more nothing less.
No different than the Queens picture on our money.
But that is not the issue here is it.
Dreamer 1/22/2013 11:34:17 AM Report

All that and you still don't know? How many times do you have to be told? STOP China from coming on to Mother Earth and raping her!
LAD 1/22/2013 11:34:38 AM Report

Hey Ginga I know your just trying to stir the pot to create negative comments. But the fact is that all Band money usually comes from the following: lands and natural resource activity, oil and gas activity, settlement funds and fine moneys.
Then read how many hoops the different bands have to jump through to access THEIR MONEY. Go to the Aboriginal & Northern Affairs webiste and educate yourself-then respond.
TFinn 1/22/2013 11:37:03 AM Report

Viper2011 1/22/2013 10:47:13 AM

Before the word racist is used incorrectly like so many times in posts on this site by both sides, please keep in mind the term "racist or racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference.

Having said this , by blocking the highways or forming blockades would constitute a racist action as well, now wouldn’t it.

*Distinction …FN or non-FN people.

*Exclusion ….of people using the government highways and roadways as intended.
*Restriction … of the daily flow of trafficm persons and commerce with a destination.
*Preference …of allowing certain people to pass the same protest areas and blockades.

So consider all aspects when throwing out the over used word of racist when commenting on this site. The Moderator I trust will do their job as they see fit as always. In my opinion.
right wing 1/22/2013 11:38:06 AM Report

MissionToVenis41

Good post with lots of interesting information.
There are many like it coming from First Nations peoples and leaders.
The evasive answers to what at times seems like simple questions.
When involving money boy do the answers get avoided.
Oddly enough this I.N.M. movement may blow the top off of the problems within the leadership of F.N.s' as much as the administrative mess within the government.
Could it be that is why there is so much deflection and misleading protest.
Transparency can be a scary thing for some.
LAD 1/22/2013 11:39:51 AM Report

My comment is not only for Ginga but for the others on here that think their tax dollars are supporting Natives. Education is the key to understanding any situation. You people should all get some. "EDUCATION that is."
crashed13 1/22/2013 11:40:23 AM Report

@ Just Saying
"As per the letters patent, the governor general is also the commander-in-chief of Canada."
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How much do you want to bet Steven Harper could Bust that Myth in a snap of the fingers.
Stevie-E 1/22/2013 11:44:55 AM Report

What does he want, a medal?

Big deal...just looking for attention if you ask me.

I think the FN people dug themselves in a hole with the general public with this political nonsense. If you think discrimination/racism is bad now, just wait.

We don't CARE anymore.

Double Standard No More
Dreamer 1/22/2013 11:46:58 AM Report

I wish the media would stop clouding the issue for you educationally challenged people !
Dreamer 1/22/2013 11:49:27 AM Report

Thats the rpoblem steviE WE CARE about the land..we are Nishinabe ;)
right wing 1/22/2013 11:50:59 AM Report

LAD

I understand what supports the F.N.'s and how and I agree that some need to be educated on this matter.
That still does not answer many of the questions as to why some bands prosper very well and others don't.
These very questions are being asked by some First Nations Chiefs and its own peoples.
Dreamer 1/22/2013 11:54:23 AM Report

well, them rw? how you understand?
Dreamer 1/22/2013 11:55:08 AM Report

Since they won't seek the info themselves?
right wing 1/22/2013 11:56:25 AM Report

Dreamer

How's the weather up on that pedestal you built for yourself.
Your statements are as bad as some of those that you are crowing need education.
My Bother-in-law is a C.O.
There is plenty of abuse of the environment, the land and it's natural inhabitants by all races.
There are also plenty of folks of all races that care for it.

Dreamer 1/22/2013 11:59:34 AM Report

Really, lol well, they should come and stand with us? Thats the fight we are fighting right now. Not what the media chooses to tell you's?
beanie 1/22/2013 11:59:47 AM Report

Why no blockades aroud here today.. too cold? I thought there were big plans for this week?
Slim Shady 1/22/2013 12:00:18 PM Report

The Queen's Diamond Jubilee Medalserves to honour significant contributions and achievements by Canadians.

It acknowledges the good deeds and deication people usually selflessly do for other people. (ie. giving back to your community through volunteering etc.)

It is a great honour for a Canadian to receive this recognition. It strikes me as counterproductive to snub receiving it. It would be a chance for a FN Chief to show all the good that he has done for his community (for all Canadians inside and outside his commiunity to see).

However it is his choice. To me it looks like sour grapes. Confusing one separate issue with another. The Queen or the Governor General doesn't give a damn if he choices to receive it or not.

Stevie-E 1/22/2013 12:01:08 PM Report

@dreamer

I too, believe in protecting our resources but this INM stuff is part of a bigger agenda and it serves as a platform for other issues that FN's have witht the rest of Canada.

I just don't care what the FN's have to say any more. It's a double standard because an approval for a wind farm just went through that involved FN land. How about the commercial fishing and no licenses required to hunt or fish.

How about you put your hand down and start contributing to your country instead of being the ones that are always in the news complaining about injustice? It's right in front of your noses and you claim racism and discrimination is the problem. That's not the problem, but it is a symptom of years of asking for more more more.

FN have way more rights and less accountability. It's time for that to stop.

You created your own stereotype and you will now have to live with it.

rcamp211 1/22/2013 12:03:34 PM Report

educationally challenged Dreamer check your spelling!
Dreamer 1/22/2013 12:03:49 PM Report

Thats jus it who said we were asking for more? More what? We need to stop subsidizing Canada!
Stevie-E 1/22/2013 12:05:53 PM Report

To all FN people complaining of their resources being used up by the rest of Canada:

Until you stop using roads, motorized vehicles, boats, farming equipment, power tools, dishwashers, home appliances, public water systems, power, telecommunications and fiber-optic services, banks, shopping malls, pharmacies, trains, airplanes, jets, Doctors, public assistance, the Internet, computers, banks, grocery stores and schools...

...keep your mouths and hands shut.

right wing 1/22/2013 12:06:51 PM Report

Dreamer

If this is about the protection of the environment than why did the Batchewana band sign on the dotted line for the wind mills.
As a land lease holder in that area I and many others with environmental concerns were happy at first when we heard that Batchewana had a land claim in the area.
Our first reaction was "great, The First Nations will put this on hold".
Once again the $$$$ played trump to the environment no matter who is protecting "mother earth".
Right!
Dreamer 1/22/2013 12:07:44 PM Report

And why can't we? We are free like you to use those items? What makes you so special?
Stevie-E 1/22/2013 12:10:38 PM Report

You're saying we can't use "your" land, and all of the above items are invented by immigrants, not FN people.

Dreamer, do you now see how stupid all this sounds?
Dreamer 1/22/2013 12:11:10 PM Report

First you's want us to be self sufficient? Now, we take a step and get shit on? Well, what do you want us to do? Bingo and cigarettes only go so far.
Money is the root of ALL evil ;)
Nunavut 1/22/2013 12:11:20 PM Report

That’s interesting Dreamer about what you said about education the rest of Canada folks like me supposedly need. Essentially then you are saying that there is not a problem of lack of education in the Aboriginal communities of Canada. Instead what you are claiming is you are more educated than the rest of Canada and its 90% of the population.
If that was the case then you would have to explain the dismal record of high school graduation still occurring in aboriginal communities. Quite frankly most of Canada wants aboriginal communities to get more educated and have the tools and funds and these used responsibly for educational good results. I doubt you would find one Canadian that does not want that for your people. On the other hand the rest of us Canadian do have a better record of being high school educated and beyond and so many of us have read the treaties and unbiased history books and see what they actually state about ceding and giving up rights to the government at that time. For the written word is far more accurate than verbal. We fully understand how our Governments have bent over backwards to even further enhance what is offered because you are Canadians after all and deserve to have the same health care and welfare etc. So the rest of Canada is somewhat amused that you would think we need the education , when many times it is the “verbal interpretations” that have become the source of unsubstantiated myths in the aboriginal mindset about what the treaties say. So we plead with you and support your people to get further educated like many of the BC aboriginal communities have , whether it be in commerce , marketing, or just simply realizing that just because someone told you the treaties meant this or that…….actual go see what the treat documents and unbiased historical accounts state and then jump into the global marketplace and realize the successes that things like home ownership and respect for trade can have.
Dreamer 1/22/2013 12:14:15 PM Report

I'm saying get eduacted on this matter? That is all? And still you's won't? Why ?
right wing 1/22/2013 12:16:22 PM Report

Nanavut

Home ownership is one of the problems.
First Nations on a reserve cannot get a mortgage because as an individual they do not own the land.
This is one of the issues that has to change.
Something we take for granted, some cannot have.

Look folks, don't get carried away with half truths and stereotyping it takes away from the true issues.
Stevie-E 1/22/2013 12:17:30 PM Report

dreamer

There's plenty of land above the tree line. Go make yourself a bivouac out of sticks and animal skins and see how well you fare in the 21st century.

You want everything but are not willing to pay for all of it. There's a price to pay for modern comforts; unfortunately, natural resources need to be used to consume them.

Meegwetch for comin' out!
Slim Shady 1/22/2013 12:19:15 PM Report

@Dreamer
Subsidizing Canada? Ya ok... Whatever. I forgot you think that you gave us the trees and minerals of Canada. FN people fought and conquered between your own people prior to our arrival. You lost the war 200 years ago against the Europeans. Consequently it belongs to all Canadians now, of which you are part.

I tell you one thing, I am proud of my European heritage (German) and I practice our customs and language. But there is one difference: I am a proud Canadian first and foremost. I don't consider myself a German Canadian! I was born here and since I choose to live here I am a Citizen! FN people believe that they are FN first and only Canadian when it is convenient (like when there is money or benefits to be handed out). They want to pick and choose on being a Canadian and this is fundamentally wrong – you have to take both the good and bad.

If you considered yourself a Canadian like the rest of us you wouldn’t want to live on reserves or have “special status”. My ancestors built this country just like I’m doing now. FN are no different that anyone else…. I have culture too!

Quit whining and join the 21st century. Pay you taxes like the rest of us. Work with us together in the empowerment of all Canadians…. Improve the schools, roads and hospitals…. Isn’t this what you and I both want?
right wing 1/22/2013 12:22:45 PM Report

Dreamer

Put away the wide brush.
Education on both sides is the answer to an end solution and there is obviously a need for all to obtain some.
Understanding, the ability to "see" through one anothers eyes is what brings about an end to "kicking" your fellow man or women.
Nunavut 1/22/2013 12:23:15 PM Report

Your right Right Wing home ownership needs to be addressed because this equity tool is being withheld to a whole slice of people due to stubborn chiefs not wanting to look at alternative ways to address this. Even pride of ownership and then wanting to learn to maintain the assets to be able to pass on to their children would of made a world of difference in places like Attawapiskat.
Slim Shady 1/22/2013 12:23:29 PM Report

@Steve-E

"...To all FN people complaining of their resources being used up by the rest of Canada:

Until you stop using roads, motorized vehicles, boats, farming equipment, power tools, dishwashers, home appliances, public water systems, power, telecommunications and fiber-optic services, banks, shopping malls, pharmacies, trains, airplanes, jets, Doctors, public assistance, the Internet, computers, banks, grocery stores and schools...

...keep your mouths and hands shut..."

Well said. You can't pick and choose. There are consequences for modernization. We all must balance our needs and our environment.

right wing 1/22/2013 12:30:09 PM Report

slim shady

Fist Nation's people did not originally live on reservations.
They were herder onto them by folks that broke their word and agreements.
You are one of us "white folks" (I am assuming you are "white")that I wish would shut the hell up as you offer nothing but pure ignorance.
right wing 1/22/2013 12:35:45 PM Report

Nanavut

The geographical location of Attawapiskat. is what is wrong with Attawapiskat.
It could be bulldozed tomorrow and an entire new town built with new houses for all but without a means of an independent economy it will revert to what it is now with exactly the same problems.
westofthesoo 1/22/2013 12:39:01 PM Report

I have been working with youth for 22 years and for the past 7 years my wife and I have teamed up to help native youth across canada achieve thier goals. We have been informed that The Deparment of National Defence nominated us for the Queen's Diamond Jubilee Metal and we will be receiving the metal on Feb 07 2013. I'm a proud member of Batachawana First Nation!!! and definately proud of helping youth of every race. To me it's about what I have done in the eyes of Creator not anything else.
right wing 1/22/2013 12:42:33 PM Report

westofthesoo

Congratulations!
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LAD 1/22/2013 12:57:15 PM Report

"You lost the war 200 years ago against the Europeans. Consequently it belongs to all Canadians now, of which you are part."

Hey slim shady are you from the United States. First Nations never lost a war against Canada. That is because treaties were made. To share the land and resources with the newcomers. First Nations are not a conquered people.
Educate yourself on the history of the First Nations north of the 45th parallel and then comment.

66cherokee 1/22/2013 1:22:12 PM Report

To I'm just saying. Do you not know the difference between the President of the US and the Govenor General. The President has POWER, YES POWER. He can veto things brought forward, etc. The G.G. is just a figure head. The Queen doesn't even have any power. She is also just a figure head. Maybe you should look at TVO on Sundays and watch the Monarchy. You'll learn a thing or two. This is a long running program that is just now is just past King John. That is when they started having parliament in England. Watch it. You'll learn something.
Bill_the_Cat 1/22/2013 1:27:06 PM Report

Not all Crown/Aboriginal treaties were written the same for the same goal. Era and geography dictated what the treaties entailed. Smaller bands facing extinction from the Iroquois or Mohawk (just an example) might have surrendered autonomy, whilst larger bands such as the Sioux would bargain towards other goals. Mutual defence treaties were also signed during the various conflicts--also a good way to exterminate a rival bands. The Cheyenne when equipped with guns and horses waged a terrible war of conquest with their neighbours, both white and aboriginal.

It is fair to say that treaty obligations be met--all to often they weren't--but each treaty must be looked at individually.

I presume that's why the land claims process is glacial, with each band needing negotiations.

It's not helpful to say that (a) whites to back to Europe; or (b) Aboriginals go back to living without modern technology. We live in the here and now--let's move forward.
ya....right 1/22/2013 1:44:48 PM Report

@ Dreamer.....So you are trying to protect the lands and environment...great....when will F.N. people start to abide by fish catch limits....or join the Moose tag lottery....The First Nations are just as guilty in depleatng wildlife and fich stocks (with nets) etc... I can only get 2 trout...you can rape the waters for 200 in a net and sell it for profit to your neighbours....so...When you give that up then we can talk about protecting the environment....
Stevie-E 1/22/2013 2:05:24 PM Report

ya...right

you're...right!

It's funny how quiet some commenter's get when they are in the wrong eh?
TFinn 1/22/2013 2:14:19 PM Report

I have worked along side of a couple of persons from FN’s in the old Algoma Steel, their view many years ago were about the unrest between the elders or chiefs what ever you want to call them, and the people living on the reserves, and were issues that needed addressing on the reserves with their own people in mind. Part of it was allowing people to have ownership of their own homestead. Things could be different, but first, the FN’s must fix their own domain/reserves first, and the chiefs must recognize what their own people truly want. Of course it will take great diligence, hard work and education to sort out many issues.

In cities if people want their neighbourhoods cleaned up, then the people must start with their own houses first. Meaning if the reserve is not being run properly and their own people are unhappy, then nothing will help, without clearing up reservations problems first. Getting help from the Gov. is only a band aid (pardon the pun) and is not the solution. I think having the right to own your own house and land would go a long way for FN’s people to have a sense of pride, and when someone is proud, many other things can be accomplished. With all FN’s people helping each other as a community, then the reserves could become "communities" of FN’s people and a place they could proud of, rather than them saying, we live on a reserve. Just my opinion.
tcowen 1/22/2013 2:53:44 PM Report

Crashed & Right Wing.. you two don't read much before you spout off do you.?

One put's it out there, and the other chirps off blindly behind him.

Controlled opposition & special interests might have you believe that the Governor General is just a figure head.

In truth the Governor is the only other person listed in our constitution who can force Harper out from under his desk during a prorogued temper tantrum.
Christina216 1/22/2013 3:02:33 PM Report

maybe the natives that are catching fish are selling the fish to support their family? well maybe not cause no natives work right!!
Slim Shady 1/22/2013 3:18:46 PM Report

@Rightwing

You are a person who thinks that anyone who differs from your point of view in uneducated or ignorant.

You think that I have nothing to offer because you do not like what I have to say.

If you are asking me if I am Caucasian or "White" as you put it, I am. I am not ashamed of it nor should I be. Technically I am descended from the native tribal religion of the Germanic peoples who were born in the forest lands on the North and Baltic Sea shores of Europe. (Oh boy I guess that makes me Native too I guess?!) Imagine that… “White” person getting status….

You wish me and others who are fed up with these childish demands of preferential treatment…. Canadians are sick and tired of the hand out because in this day and age it is wrong. FN people as a society have changed as have all the rest of us. We have industry and all the conveniences that that brings… cars, 4x4s, rifles, hospitals, granite countertops, snow machines, appliances…. et cetera.

As mentioned earlier…. You can’t pick and choose your country and your way of life. If you want to turn back the clock and dwell in the 1700s…. Give up you modern trapping of the industrial revolution…. Go hunt beaver and live in longhouses - canoe the river and spear fish…. Then you can hold us to these archaic Treaties. It is impractical and almost no one is willing to do it…. So what should you do? Why not try and stop fooling yourselves by thinking you’re entitled to payments for 200 year Treaties.

Indulge No More.


Slim Shady 1/22/2013 3:28:41 PM Report

@Lad

Whatever... The Chiefs turtled and called a truce... aka a Treaty.

Translation: "Please stop killing/slaughtering us with your rifles and we will share with you. We will also stop the other Tribes that we hate if you also defend us."

Educate myself? Hey buddy I will run circles around you. I have taken more history classes including University level than you.

I think you know that Europe would have stopped at nothing to exterminate the Aboriginal people if they continued to pose a threat to them. If you doubt me, I suggest you review your World history of other civilizations…..
Dreamer 1/22/2013 4:13:30 PM Report

Did no one read the National News on here "First Nation aims to stop China deal" ?
Dreamer 1/22/2013 4:19:45 PM Report

Oh and contrary to popular belief, we can get mortgages! hahaha
All of the new homes are paying that monthly.
trout lily 1/22/2013 8:46:52 PM Report

these facts found on the Batchewana First Nation website:

Batchewana First Nation Turn Key Program - Previously, the Batchewana First Nation constructed 39 homes with limited input from the homeowners. The homeowner pays the mortgage to the BFN office until the mortgage is paid in full, at which time the BFN will issue the homeowner a Certificate of Possession.

Royal Bank Mortgage Program - A BFN members will get a letter of verification from the Housing Department to attend the Royal Bank to apply for a mortgage. If the Band Member meets the bank criteria the BFN Chief and Council will guarantee the mortgage and the Band Member constructs their own home. To date, we have had 16 BFN members successfully follow through with this program.

and

CMHC Section 95 Program (non profit) - This is the new Rent-To-Own Program that is funded through the CMHC. Last year we constructed 18 homes and are in the process of constructing 26 homes this year. Once the mortgage is paid in full, a CP will be issued to the home owner.


Niigaanis 1/22/2013 9:07:54 PM Report

I see some of the regulars have been banned from posting on these topics...too bad a few whiners can effect the moderators on here I guest they have to appear treating each side equally.....


Slim Shad - has profess to have taken tons of history courses and could run circles around everyone...baawahhaahaa....lost a war to the europeans..yeah right, come back when you've taken a Canadian history course little one....there never was a war between natives and Europeans here in Canada..get over yourself...
Niigaanis 1/22/2013 9:19:39 PM Report

Sootoday moderator ... go ahead and pull this post as well... friggin rag tag piece of crap this site has become.

You have allow misinformation to remain but those who posted creditable information are prevented from posting due to a couple of whiners...You truly are D. Helwigs little clones...are you also going to start threatening posters with having their IP addresses posted and informing their employers as well?

If you are going to ban posters perhaps you may want to consider doing so to posters who continually post misinformation ie wars between FN peoples and Canadian government, Natives don't pay taxes etc.. but no it makes for good fodder to incite more hatred... perhaps you should ban yourself....

If you can't understand how some would get upset when trying to educate those who do not understand the issues but are harassed to the point where they may say something that is out of character then you deserve to have your posting rights revoke as well.

I wonder how long you'lll allow this post to stand......but I can't be bother to wait because I'm permenantly banning myself from those farce of a news source...
cjborg 1/23/2013 1:23:51 PM Report

Here is a very timely e-mail article and worthy of serious discussion and future considerations: (author unknown)

...."Subject: Enough is Enough

On a very serious note regarding the "Idle No More" movement, I offer the following:

Over the years we have all listened and watched as successive Canadian governments have tried to deal with the residue of our colonial past. On the evidence, a wide range of policies, and a huge amount of our money, has failed to solve a seemingly insolvable problem of abortive aboriginal treaties, perceived entitlements, and social disasters. Many good people on both sides of the fence have spent lives of frustration using different administrative models to no lasting effect.

The only consistent result of over 100 years of wasted time, money and lives is the fact that, for many, being a treaty aboriginal has become a business in and of itself; Aboriginal Incorporated has become a way of life, a leadership management philosophy, a negotiating tool, a public spectacle, and a very lucrative business model, at least for a few. The latest public display of Chief Spence and her Aboriginal Inc. handlers has backfired and, with the release of the audit report on her financial management of millions of tax dollars, we see what really is the issue: The criminal misappropriation of funds intended to help the social ills of an important but socially failing segment of the Canadian population.

This has to stop. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over, and over, while expecting a different result. A failed policy approach is a failed policy approach and over 100 years should be sufficient evidence that enough is enough. We need to start from first principles:

1) No one in Canada is above the law of the land
2) Your economic well-being is your responsibility. It is not the government's job to pay you to fish and hunt.
3) Employment rules apply to everyone. If you can't get a job where you live: Move Idle No More at our expense!
4) If you receive public funds; you are accountable. Penalties apply.
5) Theft is theft; see 1) above.
6) If the funds are badly spent or the recipients do not care for the infrastructure and benefits provided; the funds will not be replaced.
7) Treaties will be respected in the context of the date of the treaty and the standards of the day.
8) Your administrative costs and the pay of your local leadership will be set by the people that fund your operation.
9) As our municipalities are governed by provincial rules; so the reserves will be governed by federal rules.

I believe this list is a good start but is clearly a work in progress. I further believe that a valid counter to the Idle No More movement needs to be a strong Enough Is Enough movement. Plainly said: we have had enough!

I truly hope the government gets the picture and puts its foot down once and for all.

If enough Canadians repeat this message then perhaps the abusive power of Aboriginal Inc. will be lessened and the real needs of the thousands of aboriginal Canadians in need can be met.

Enough Is Enough!"............
Stevie-E 1/23/2013 2:22:13 PM Report

I love the "Enough is Enough" idea, except there is one barrier:

The people against Idle No More are too busy contributing to the economy (ie. Going to School, Going to Work, etc., etc., etc.) to take time out of the day...WITHOUT PAY...to protest those who have monies coming in from the government.

We have too many thing to worry about and the protests to me sound like Charlie Brown's mom talking from the other room.

Where are these people getting the money to protest for weeks at a time?? It makes you wonder, doesn't it? Gee, I wish I had no responsibilities other than putting my Sorels and Touque on to go hold up a spray-painted sign.

The movement was not a success and only allowed the FN people to be alienated further in an already highly-polarized country when it comes to FN politics.

If you want to be taken seriously, you need to project a certain image (think of Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement) and fight for things other than financial gain for a small group of people. That's always the way it's been with FN...MONEY.

It's organized begging and I am tired of being asked to fork over more. Cost of living is high enough.

Oh...and how about you don't piss of the rest of the country with a rag tag group of big mouths who don't even know what they are fighting about? Look at your own leaders (the Chiefs) and you'll see where your money is going.
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