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Two protests planned. Traffic disruptions expected Friday

Thursday, January 10, 2013   by: SooToday.com Staff

CITY POLICE

NEWS RELEASE

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Traffic disruptions expected tomorrow

The Sault Ste. Marie Police Service has received notification of two protests that will occur tomorrow and may result in traffic disruptions.

The Elementary Teachers Federation of Ontario has advised that they are planning a peaceful protest that will take place between the hours of 9:30 a.m. and 11:30 a.m. in the area of M.P.P. David Orazietti’s office located at 432 Great Northern Road. 

Disruption to traffic is expected to be minimal and we urge motorists to be aware of an increased number of pedestrians in the area during that time frame.

In addition, a local group claiming affiliation to the Idle No More movement has advised of a planned protest that will take place on Queen Street East beginning at 1 p.m. and ending at M.P. Brian Hayes office located at 369 Queen Street East.

Residents can expect traffic disruptions on Queen Street East between East Street and Elgin Street tomorrow. 

Motorists are encouraged to find alternate routes to their destinations as the disruption to traffic in this area is expected to last for several hours. 

Officers with the Sault Ste. Marie Police Service will be on scene monitoring both gatherings to ensure the safety of all members of the public.

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muf 1/10/2013 12:20:43 PM Report

Time too protest the protesters?.....lol
RLE 1/10/2013 12:23:33 PM Report

Based upon the weather forecast, I'll be protesting in front of my house on Friday because snow fell on my driveway. If there are any police officers not allocated to the other protestors (who will be shoveling something else) they may want to send officers to my address to protect passebys as I'm a pretty wild shovel operator
KMF61MCF 1/10/2013 12:24:11 PM Report

David OOOOOh doesn't care about the protests. If it isn't a Photo Op for him he wont be there. I remember the day's of the Mike Harris Protests. I even went to several.Didn't seem to help. But good luck anyways.
ehbcd2 1/10/2013 12:25:36 PM Report

It's time for the police to stop these protests from interfering with other peoples lives, we have the right not to be interfered with.
Dictionary 1/10/2013 12:28:17 PM Report

i support the teachers at any level. as many parents know, kids are a lot of work. imagine having 30 kids in your house and being expected to maintain discipline (without being allowed to discipline) and still getting through to the kids who want to learn. they have a very tough job, in a tough environment.
zick999 1/10/2013 12:31:16 PM Report

Of Course. I didn't think the teachers would protest from 9 to 5. Heaven forbids it. Does that protest have an hour lunch break and an hour for prep??? LOL. Don't work up a sweat or anything because you might get sick. You don't want to do that because then you can't bank it for early retirement. OH WAIT. You can't do that anymore like the rest of the world. Use your sick day I guess like it is supposed to be used for.
Slim Shady 1/10/2013 12:35:35 PM Report

You know why I am not protesting? I am too busy making money. I have a job, a family and people who depend on me to support them. You don't like working for your employer, get another job. Don't ever think that anyone is not replaceable! The economy is slow and weak. What makes you think that you all deserve a raise? Don't you understand that their is very little money?

People spend more time complaining than anything else. You think it is easy being a politician like David O? You think that you can do a better job and please the Natives, Teachers, Unions, people who have cracked sidewalks? Why don't you run for his postion yourself? Any Ontario citizen can! Let's see how well you do and if you will be at your office to address the crowds of angry people.

If anyone blocks off a city street in protest, I hope the get hit by a car. Streets are for all citizens to use and enjoy, not for the self-serving agendas of the few. I'm not against civil rights and the ability to protest - far from it... but go do it in a public park, school field etc. Put up your banners, get your megaphones out there.
KRF91 1/10/2013 12:47:59 PM Report

Good to know our police "service" likes of facilitate law breaking instead of enforcing the law like they're paid to do...

The relevant sections of the Criminal Code of Canada (180) state the following

"Every one who commits a common nuisance and thereby obstructs the public in the exercise or enjoyment of any right that is common to all the subjects of Her Majesty in Canada is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years."

That right would be freedom of mobility under section 6 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. I'd love to know why the police ignore the Charter of Rights and Freedoms as well as the Criminal Code of Canada.
Slim Shady 1/10/2013 12:48:49 PM Report

@dictionary...

"...i support the teachers at any level. as many parents know, kids are a lot of work. imagine having 30 kids in your house and being expected to maintain discipline..."

Are you serious? What makes you think that working 8-10 hour days with only 3 weeks vacation being responsible for the lives of other subordinate colleagues in an agressive industry like I do is easier?! Are you trying to tell me that my kids act differently and disobedient to their teachers than me?! (ha ha they know that the teacher's dicipline will be nothing compared to mine if they try!).

I am not saying that a Teacher's job is easy, nothing ever is. But they know the gig when they signed up. It is a well paying job with a good pension and vacation. I do not feel sorry for them whatsoever. Trying to get paid out for sick days, pay raises in tough economic times, and trying to dodge being declared an essential service... They have become greedy and have their Union has lost focus.

They can still negotiate without disrupting the education of our kids. Any agreements or monies owed is retroactive to the expiration date of their last contract.

The government could outsource teaching for 5 year contracts to the private sector..... (MTO is a fine example)... If they push too hard this will happen. There is not enough money to meet their increasing and unrealistic demands. They will wreck it for all civil servants.

burned 1/10/2013 12:52:44 PM Report

Why don't we just move Orazietti's office to Walls rd...or Fifth line...solves this whole thing...burned for mayor
Slim Shady 1/10/2013 12:56:18 PM Report

@burned

You got my vote!
learningaswego 1/10/2013 12:56:44 PM Report

Could be a good way for the provincial government to reduce the deficit.
I think it was Doofus McSquinty or one of his counterparts who said ILLEGAL striking teachers could be subject to a $2000 fine, and the union about $20,000.
Maybe they could cash in on this opportunity to make some coin for the taxpayers.
rcamp211 1/10/2013 1:06:40 PM Report

do these protesters have my support "NO"
Nimrod 1/10/2013 1:07:34 PM Report

Why don't they just unite with the natives and shut down the whole city!!They could had out flyers together and show us where the billions of our tax dollars are going! Both platies seem to be an abiss where money just vanishes!!!
66cherokee 1/10/2013 1:13:41 PM Report

The police won't do anything to stop the Idle No More crowd. If this were to happen say Toronto, you'd have the full force of the OPP out there and Toronto police force. Let the Idle gang stop traffic on the 401, 403, 407, 427, QE, and see what would happen. We in the north, are the ones that have had all the disruptions. The only real disruption in southern Ontario was the rail line...nothing to do with say Monday to Friday people driving into the city to work. If the people of southern Ontario had our disruptions, they would NOT be supporting the Idle No More people.
Polis 1/10/2013 1:15:21 PM Report

Just because Dalton says it's illegal, doesn't mean that it is. Let's wait and see what the OLRB says! In 1997, the OLRB deemed it a legal political protest under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, when all schools were shut down across the province for 2 weeks! You know where Dalton was then? ...marching with the teachers to protest Mike Harris' ridiculous nonsense. Can you spell HYPOCRITE?
66cherokee 1/10/2013 1:17:25 PM Report

If you go to the following on you tube, you will get real info on a hunger strike. People have died. Ms Spence is on a diet. A real hunger strike is just water alone. Listen to Mr Coran, who is a world reknown journalist about what a real hunger strike is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zELUnlVCh_U
sinikka 1/10/2013 1:18:45 PM Report

I have not heard very much on Sootoday about chief spence lately. Sootoday chose not to report in the local section about the recent independant audit that revealed that 61% of all entries had no paperwork whatsoever . Chief Spence should be paid a visit by the RCMP and not worry so much about Harper. Absolutely ridiculous how the native community has remained silent about this report. You would think that more people would be concerned that there are many on that reserve who have no shelter, no food, inhumane living conditions and much of the money goes unaccounted for . As well nobody wants to comment about the chief's friend pulling in $850 per day . Cmon , natives and none natives alike should be appalled by this. Comments anyone.
northernmale 1/10/2013 1:21:09 PM Report

I think maybe its time we realy take a look at whats going on in this country we all call Canada.. When a goverment can make a bill called C_15 to force contracts and people back to work.. Then cancel the bill .. Whom or what will be next. I may not agrea with first nations closing highways and protesting the way they are doing it. But we should all look at bill C45 as it is giving away our country to other countrys, and industries the rites to ruin our water ways. Rember we are only boring this earth from future generations. Are great, great crand children and so on.. When the water is all unsafe for use and so is our earth there is no more. If we keep letting the goverment walk all over us doing what ever they want and when they want when will it end.Goverments are not acountable to the people any more you the tax payer.. Maybe its time all of Canada stands up and says enough is enough
burned 1/10/2013 1:27:41 PM Report

sinikki...yeah how selfish that she (a native) would take and take and not give anything back..and not give anything to her fellow.....wait a minute...thats what the first nations are doing to us.....wow
steelworker 1/10/2013 1:29:09 PM Report

Maybe these two groups of professional whiners could collide in front of the Employment office on Bay Street.
northernmale 1/10/2013 1:31:26 PM Report

sorry that should read bill 115, also I am not a teacher who have friends who are..
rcamp211 1/10/2013 1:35:11 PM Report

Let's look at Spence's reserve:

Between government money and money pouring in from the nearby diamond mine, it works out to $250,000.00 each family each year, tax free.

Some facts:

Chief Spence makes just under $70,000 a year tax free;

Chief Spence's boyfriend, Clayton Kennedy, is the reserve's town manager earning $850 a day tax free;

The Reserve purchased an Olympia ice resurfacer for $96,000 during the so-called housing crisis;

Attawapiskat has 21 full-time paid politicians for a town of 300, its own health authority, school board, power corporation, development corporation and a corporation to run the hockey rink;

In 2007, Band Manager George Lanouette earned $173,000 tax free while technical services manager, Mike Gull, made $126,000 tax free;

$450,000 a month pours into the reserve in welfare payments;

Attawapiskat First Nation owns $9 million worth of stocks in Apple, Disney and Chinese cell phone companies;

In 2011 they spent $200,000 on 'gifts' and $36,000 on 'goose hunting';

In 2011, acting manager Wayne Turner ran up more than $68,000 in travel expenses in just two months;

Algonquin First Nation and Conservative Senator Parick Brazeau has received death threas for speaking out against "Idle No More";

Attawapiskat made $2,738,339 profit in 2010 and $3,140,041 in 2011.

Attawapiskat has received $90 million from the current government since 2006.

Aboriginal Affairs spending is up under the Harper government - $7.9 Billion last year from $6.1 Billion in 2006/07;

Do we have a problem here?
santa-fe 1/10/2013 1:36:04 PM Report

Canadian native Chief on hunger strike backs out of talks with Harper??????????????? I thought that was what she wanted, was to talk to Harper.
notpc 1/10/2013 1:36:08 PM Report

The police have broken their covenant with the public. The public has ceded its right to enforce the law and seek justice individually to the police on the understanding that they will do it for them. The police then agree to receive payment for enforcing the rule of law.
With respect to native protests that disrupt transportation, commerce and even result in violence (Caledonia), the OPP and local police forces have indicated that the rule of law is an inconvenience that they believe they can ignore when they choose. Notice the comments of the two police chiefs in Sarnia over their failure to obey a court order, ordering them to remove the blockade of the CN rail.

Police will increasingly discover that the respect they expect to receive from the public is quickly disappearing. People recognize that police are not upholding their end of the agreement, nor do they themselves respect the rule of law. In fact, rather than dealing with true law-breakers, they often seem to prefer to harass law-abiding non-aboriginal citizens who try to protect themselves from those law breakers.

The scorn that people have already for the police is disheartening and will sooner or later result in people taking matters into their own hands. If this bad result ever happens, the police will have only themselves to blame.





doggs 1/10/2013 1:37:40 PM Report

I want them to Protest The Indian Chief ..Ask her why she is making $ 240,000.00 dollars a year & her band people are living in poor conditions ...Let's Look into all the bands & how they are allocating their funds they receive from the Government ...Enough already ...
kamen 1/10/2013 1:38:45 PM Report

They are just saying be cautious while driving since the amount of pedestrians in this area will be of larger volume than normal. They are not saying that these protests are going to be in the middle of the road. I support the teachers fully, I am not fully aware of what the idle no more protest is about. The teachers are taking a full day off their paychecks to do this prtoest, and since bill 115 is in order and it is against the law to do this protest each ontarian teacher who does this walk out tomorrow can be fined 2000 dollars each just for walking out. The reason I support them is they are doing this for the children and to secure their own future. If it bothers you so much that there will be people protesting, don't use those roads. This city is just too much, so many immature people who couldn't care less about anything but themselves, and how things are going to interfere in their lives, it is one day, get over it....you know what else interferes in our every day lives? Things like trains that stop us at railway crossings for 20 mins to a half hour, you going to tell me that they shouldn't have those next because they intere with our rights?

"Every one who commits a common nuisance and thereby obstructs the public in the exercise or enjoyment of any right that is common to all the subjects of Her Majesty in Canada is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years."

Trains obstruct the public all the time, transports obstruct the public, even the police, fire department, ambulances, they all obstruct the public at some points in time. that would also be like saying oh you are having a picnic in the park? You are obstructing the majority of the public because you are in the middle of the park and we can't play football.....it is all about how you interpret things. These people are not going to be in the middle of Great Northern Road yelling and stopping traffic, they will be on the edge of the property, with signs, showing the public what they want.
harry dick 1/10/2013 1:39:10 PM Report

it is a sad world when certain groups of people can protest and interfere with other people's lives and get away with it unscathed , while the normal everyday person will go to jail for doing the same thing . it has been stated by the police that they do not want another OKA on their hands. if the protesters weren't aboriginal they would be cleared out of the protest by whatever means that it took to break it up.WHY is the government so afraid of these people? just look at the u.s.a. they don't have this problem . it is very odd that the people that do not pay anything to live , wield the most clout with the government.if a storm or anything else destroys our property and living quarters and we don't pay for insurance , we are out of luck.
I thought that everyone in canada were equal. apparently this is not so. we have to just shut up and pay!!!!
yoyo165 1/10/2013 1:49:39 PM Report

Re: Teachers: The liberals are clamping down on teachers. Mr. Hudak's Conservatives are saying they haven't gone far enough, and the NDP are with the teachers. If there was ever an election issue, this is it. Soon enough we'll be able to 'vote' our opinions. Certain things are best handled at the bargaining table behind closed doors. The teachers methods are not swaying public opinion, which is what they need right now!

Re: Native Protests: I'll take peacefull protests and unaccounted billions anyday over the situation in Israel. It's not necessarily right, and it irks me, but the alternatives are much more costly.
Beej 1/10/2013 1:52:19 PM Report

A forensic accountant needs to dig deep into this nightmare and prove once and for all that something stinks about the way all of these millions disappeared.

Before any further funding is released it has to be agreed upon that it will be accounted for right down to the penny with the records freely available for the government to examine whenever they want.
wgator 1/10/2013 1:53:00 PM Report

In my opinion there are alot of young adult teachers graduating from teachers collage that would work for whats been offered, instead of going to other parts of the world.These premadonnas should retire and fire the rest, what about the three to four hours parents spend at home teaching there kids...... guess they should have rights and benifits also . What a joke and waste of money.
ThinkAgain 1/10/2013 2:01:00 PM Report

Do you think our local MP's care about the protesters. With advance warning, they simply don't go to work or have made other appointments or they have there feet up in a cozy office, drinking coffee and doing the daily crosswords, laughing at those outside.

They only thing that these protesters do is interfere with local business & the people that don't have anything to do with it.
learningaswego 1/10/2013 2:01:42 PM Report

Canadians and Ontarians are fed up; and now ready to elect any government that has a spine, and is willing to abide by common sense instead of the insanity of political correctness; and accepts their responsibility of protecting law and order.
Canadians and Ontarians are sick and tired of being fleeced by parties that claim victimization, yet where the FACTS do not support it - not even close. Especially when the self-declared victims are the perpetrators of lies, fraud, and theft.
They are also sick of a left-wing media's willingness to promote the cause of every person or group who claims to be victimized, without ever questioning the claims.
66cherokee 1/10/2013 2:11:29 PM Report

The Idle No More people are misleading the public on Bill C45. It does NOT state that the reserve property will be sold. What it does, is do what some PROGRESSIVE reserve want. It is to LEASE THE LAND. The Rankin Reserve does that already. Take the time to read it. It's on the government site.
learningaswego 1/10/2013 2:15:26 PM Report

And it's exactly what many FN in BC are doing right now; and exactly why so many FN in BC are doing very well.
In other words, it works!

Too bad so many of the protesting tools are clueless about what exactly is in the legislation; and/or are so against the kind of progress this can give a FN.
brittz 1/10/2013 2:16:25 PM Report

Better start criticizing the Teachers the way you did the Aboriginal people... oh wait that would not be politically correct. We need our teachers, whereas society treats aboriginal people like throw-away citizens. Its a free country, anyone is welcome to protest anything they like. In Ottawa there are protests every single day and the people just learn to live with it. Perhaps some of these commentators would like to go live in China where human rights do not exist and its not safe to express one's opinions or fight for one's rights.
firebird 1/10/2013 2:23:44 PM Report

I am going to drive down there and honk my horn in protest to the protesters hindering normal working class people. Who wants to bet I get a noise ticket?
Anyone wanna join me?????
learningaswego 1/10/2013 2:31:14 PM Report

If you honk, they think you're supporting them.
Flip them the bird; that way there is no confusion.
THE Warrior 1/10/2013 2:37:10 PM Report

you all remind me of bullies.. Why so much hate.. Harper is selling the country to outside interests.. He will also in the future if this bill is not removed.. Open the boarders to the US for work purposes.. which in turn mean.. you won't be competing with a handful of people for a job.. it will be thousand upon thousands of people.. As far as i can remember the US is in a recession or depression.. Where do you think they will be looking for work.. Wake up and smell the roses.. cause in the near future there won't be one for you all to smell.. Lose the hate, your tax dollars go to foreign aid.. we receive natural resources royalties.. We don't get tax dollars. give your head a shake.. teach your children love over hate.. IF you all choose to ignore what Harper is doing.. Then when it is too late.. then you will all get what you deserve.. when you have to pay more for a litre of water than a litre of milk.. you get what you deserve.. Wake up.. lose the hate and look at the future of your childrens children.. cause if you don't.. you will be the next ones living in third world conditions.. and another thing.. if they open the boarders.. they will be brought in and able to be paid at a lower wage than minimum .. Here today gone tomorrow.. its up to you...
B Boy 1/10/2013 3:18:11 PM Report

Yes - let the boarders in. We want to get those rooms rented.

I won't stand for empty rooms.
B Boy 1/10/2013 3:18:37 PM Report


(couldn't resist)
hitch 1/10/2013 4:07:58 PM Report

Is Christina around? We haven't heard any 'white man' trashing today?? Lol
Christina--predjudiced goes both ways!
Point Blank 1/10/2013 4:20:40 PM Report

I'm tired of having to listen to and/or put up with the protests and whining of these spoiled groups.
If any teacher misses school tomorrow (without producing a doctor's certificate proving illness), they should be fined. If the union condones this activity..they should also be fined. These teachers act more childish than the kids they are supposed to be teaching. Think of the example they are setting for our children...If you can't have more of your own way...stomp your feet, throw a temper tantrum and refuse to do what you are told!! Wow!! And, please don't pass it off as "we are standing up for our rights" crap. It's plain and simple greed and insubordination toward YOUR EMPLOYER (you know, the people that pay your wage!), while you hide behind your union!!! Somehow, I can't imagine a teacher putting up with an insubordinate child, yet, they expect us and their employer to tolerate them!
As for the Idle No More thing...perhaps their time would be better spent protesting their own chiefs and council members. It appears that they are the ones lining their pockets while many of the rest go without. In the future, any government funding should be in the form of building the housing, infrastructure and/or other needs rather than just handing over the money. Sometimes, it seems to disappear without much being accomplished.
Chief Spence seems very good at deflecting the attention that should be squarely focused on her and her collegues for the mismanagement of funds.
As for the local public demonstrations tomorrow...
It seems somewhat ironic that these two groups are staging their public pout on the same day! They should join forces and call it the "Idle No More because we're Never Satisfied March".
And, any disuptions to our services or traffic should be met with stiff penalties and fines. If I can't arbitrarily block roadways or hinder traffic (not that I would want to - I prefer intelligent, logical discussion and compromise when necessary), why should they be allowed?
I'm not against protesting in general. If you want to protest peacefully on the front lawn, park or roadside, or what-have-you..knock yourself out. Just don't inconvenience the rest of us! You're not garnering support. You're just pissing off those of us who are unselfish and insightful enough to recognize that there's a time when sacrifice, and in some instances government intervention, is necessary for the sake of our long term economic prosperity!
highway1 1/10/2013 4:23:18 PM Report

The Idle No More protesters are all tax payers, most of whom have jobs or are students. They choose to take time off, or rearrange their schedules in order to stand up to the illegal legislation called the Jobs and Growth Act.
This illegal legislation, that FNs do not recognize, has negative consequences for all Canadians - you should be thankful some one is fighting for you.
If you oppose what the Harper governmment is doing to Canada, join the demonstration.
learningaswego 1/10/2013 4:25:19 PM Report

...Harper is selling the country to foreign interests... LOL LOL LOL

There is just no limit to the BS and misinformation people will spew, is there?
THE Warrior 1/10/2013 4:28:56 PM Report

Learn as we go..who owns essar steel? thats in the sault alone.. you should research before you sound off.. ignorance is bliss
THE Warrior 1/10/2013 4:30:38 PM Report

Point Blank.. You are the sickness that plagues society with your hateful rants.. You have no clue about attiwapiskat.. The federal courts dismissed all claims against Spence for miss management.. get a grip.. learn to love yourself and it will go along way in your personal life..
66cherokee 1/10/2013 4:35:52 PM Report

If people who support Idle No More would take the time to look up Bill C45, they would get their eyes open. The following is a very important site that you can go to that does explain part of the Bill C45 and makes liars of the people who say that it would let the government sell the Reserve lands.
I think that Idle No More should really look at the real problem that is affecting a lot of the reserve, namely the huge amount of monies paid to chiefs, counsel, and the mismanagement of funds. This is not on all reserves, but if that was our government doing that the RCMP would be at the door, basically breaking the door down.
I am not anti Native as that is my background, but do take the time to research. Please take the time to go to this site. Not everyone is bashing Natives.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/mark-milke/idlenomore_b_2428048.html
THE Warrior 1/10/2013 4:35:57 PM Report

What first Nations do with their monies is none of your business. They are royalties from natural resources that are part of the treaties that you all wish were never made.. But the resources sharing was never paid in full and don't have to be explained.. Go to your government and ask where your monies are.. then you will see a real fiasco.. Quit deflecting blame on first nations look at your government.. Your government sends countless dollars to foreign interests.. Find out how much.. that should keep you busy for a few months..
Batty 1/10/2013 4:44:36 PM Report

The teachers were not after pay increases. They agreed to a wage freeze. Bill 115 is essentially a wage cut since teachers are no longer able to move up the pay scale and they were also forced to lose three days pay. For those who disagree with the planned protest, what do you propose the teachers do? They were never able to negotiate since that right was taken away. And they can't challenge Bill 115 in court since it has a no challenge clause built into. Any job action the teacher's union plans will affect students. There are no other options. Instead of blaming teachers tell your MPP how much this is affecting you and ask that the government repeal Bill 115 now. Teachers are not greedy. Everything they have was fairly negotiated for and agreed to by past governments. Consider that.
gmg 1/10/2013 4:50:25 PM Report

Perhaps we should begin a class action lawsuit citing the province of Ontario and the OPP for failing to keep our highways and city streets open. The law should be enforced equally. Keep the politics out of it

sinikka 1/10/2013 4:56:30 PM Report

Warrior it is you who promote hate. Anytime someone questions the monies that the taxpayers have given to chief spence's reserve you call them haters. This was an independent accounting firm who performed the audit. Stick to the facts . If i was native i would be just as interested as the government is in the mismanagement of reserve monies. Perhaps you are protesting against the wrong group. You would not dare question a chief like spence because then you warrior would be considered a government conspirator. Very sad, when the rest of the country is held to higher standards than this chief is held. Very sad indeed as the children of this reserve continue to suffer while others live high and mighty.
paleface 1/10/2013 5:21:55 PM Report

Why is it always the armchair commando`s that start the chirping on this site? nothing better do i guess eh?
makes me wonder who our tax dollars are really supporting??? all you arm chair commando`s sitting on your fat pooper`s all day cutting and pasting websites and pretending to know what your talking about;) these protester`s are protesting for all canadians... yes even you sheeple!
travelingman 1/10/2013 5:57:16 PM Report

Why is it that we have so many different sets of rules and expectations for different groups of citizens in this country? If a redman or an indian or aboriginal or first nations or anishnabek or whatever the new thing a native person wants to be called this year blocks a railroad, highway or city street or international bridge, it is interpreted as excersizing freedom of speech or the right to assimilate or whatever. If I go out and block the train or road because I don't like what the government is doing the police don't come to protect me, they come to haul my butt away. It's total bullshit. If I protest I'm prejudice, if I say redman it makes me racist. When I'm called a whiteman or white people that is somehow totally normal and acceptable!? The cheif wants native students to be supplied extra protection from harrassment yet he thinks harrassing travellers and engaging in terrorism is totally acceptable on his part!? Why are two different sets of rules and expectations acceptable? Why are your wants and expectations somehow someone else's responsibility?
paleface 1/10/2013 6:15:34 PM Report

well travelingman maybe you should get off you arm chair and go and attempt to block a train in regards to whatever your protesting... let me know how that works for ya. But I thought most arm chair cammando`s do their protesting hidden behind a computer screen eh?
travelingman 1/10/2013 6:28:21 PM Report

To Warrior: I don't think you get it. Where do you think the bands money comes from? It comes from taxpayers and taxpayers alone. It IS OUR BUSINESS where our tax dollars get spent!!! Everybody would love to have their money handed to them every month with no strings attached and need to do nothing to get it. It never entered my mind that somehow I am entitled to a certain standard of living whether or not I am willing to work for it. If I can't find a job I move to where I can find one. If my house gets flooded because the river comes up every spring I don't expect someone to fly me out of town, put me up in a hotel and pay my expenses while someone worries about fixing my house for me. I would be too busy either fixing my house myself or moving it somewhere that it won't get flooded again next year when the river comes up again. If you want to see the problems for what they really are it is time to look in the mirror instead of the window and noticing how bad everybody else is. The treaty did not say from now on all of our people and any problem that they can dream up is going to be the Canadian governments total responsibility for generation after generation forever more. Writing blank checks until you say stop will not fix any of the problems that exist. A person can only be helped so far as they are willing to help themselves. That does not mean that I think I will help myself to some more tax dollars.
freedom1 1/10/2013 6:31:18 PM Report

to nirod

show us where the billions of our tax dollars are going!

You probably make minimum wage I doubt if you have billions of tax dollars. Also you don't even pay enough taxes to pay for yourself or your street or your health care or your city infrastructure. So don't think that your taxes go to first nations.
freedom1 1/10/2013 6:41:29 PM Report

To you racist canadians, do you really want civil war? These chiefs will bring Canadas economy to its knees!!!!
B Boy 1/10/2013 7:00:16 PM Report

Freedom1 - so you're threatening Canada with civil war? Are you speaking for all aboriginal peoples?

How are you going to bring down the economy of an entire country?

According to the 2006 census, aboriginal peoples comprise 3.8% of Canada's national population.

All this spouting and pointing fingers accusing of racism. I can say with complete certainty that this racism is bilateral.
hitch 1/10/2013 7:25:01 PM Report

Lol Civil War might be good--we would win and the racist unappreciative natives would lose. I am so sick of your hatred to us when we are there for you everyday in the 'real world' time to respect us a little more. Imagine what would happen if all the handouts stopped for a month?
TankGirl 1/10/2013 7:27:25 PM Report

Stop clouding the issue.

It isn't about the fact that 6% of each tax payers dollar goes to First Nations. It is justified, it is treaty certified and it is deserved.

We (non natives) DO question our government about spending, misspending, funding and MORE! We do hold them accountable (as much as possible) by our Government system of Majority and Minority party leadership. When the Conservatives mess upthe Libs and NDP and their supporters are ll over it, and so on.

So stop trying to cloud comments with accusations of racism, telling people to mind their own business and all the rest of it. The issue is we see poverty, crowded dilapidated housing, a greedy chief and many improper actions from a leader who is supposedly there for her people. Nobody is trying to take away a treaty right, funding or anything related to it. We (as should all natives) demand a Chief who cares about their people, who doesn't rip them off, who doesn't lie and turns that reserve on James Bay into a productive and educated group who can sustain and thrive. How on earth can people not see that??
kajones 1/10/2013 7:49:15 PM Report

IGNORANCE IS BLISS.
DONT HATE--APPRECIATE.

All these people are doing is protecting their rights for their families and their childrens-children.

Koodoo`s to the teachers
Koodoo`s to the natives

At least they are defending what is right.
Ricatoni 1/10/2013 8:00:29 PM Report

POWER!!!!!!! to all those opposed to the evil liberal and conservative dictators...this country and province is going to feel the wrath of the people against poverty and dictatorship in 2013...... a majority of the people know and understand your fight ......keep up the fight!!!!!!!!!!!!let them no we are a democratic society not communists.......conservatives and Liberals = communist dictatorship....
POWER TO THE PEOPLE DOWN WITH GOVERMENT DICTATORS!!!!!! DEMOCRACY WILL PREVAIL!!!!!!!
KRF91 1/10/2013 8:49:55 PM Report

Some of the people that spout their mouths off make themselves sound like total idiots. If you don't know what you're talking about don't even bother saying anything. That goes to both first nations and non-indigenous people.

Idle no more is actually about an excellent cause, not that anybody here would be willing to actually look into it. HOWEVER the way the protest is being demonstrated is bad. It creates nothing but animosity between First Nations and Canadians. Not to mention it's illegal.
ackw 1/10/2013 9:15:18 PM Report

Now that the Metis are considered native .I can,t wait to block the highway or something with immunity from the law.
TankGirl 1/10/2013 9:25:02 PM Report

The local Idle movement is very congested with mixed messages. They hold signs in support of Spence and yet, the movement is specific to Bill C45 which has somehow attached itself to Spences parade of misdeeds.

On top of that, there are measures in C45 that the local movement are protesting against when they shouldn't be. The Government is finally removing red tape with regards to being able to lease out their own land and they are blanketing the response to the Bill with a big NO. Without being able to lease land, they can't profit from their own resources, land lots,etc. Many reserves have already had this red tape removed and they have thrived and grown. Nobody is trying to sell their land.

Regarding the water protection measures or, cutting of the existing measures, yes, we all agree we want our water protected. The non Aborignal population uses our Goverment elect to fight our battles from within. We are fighting with you. We don't have to be along side you protesting on highways to fight with you. Recognize that. We don't believe In stopping traffic, creating hostility and such. Look at the teachers protests...they don't block traffic or railways,etc. These roadblocks are not only blocking traffic but, blocking people from publicly supporting e movement.

TankGirl 1/10/2013 9:29:41 PM Report

PS - emergency vehicles are always allowed through.
paleface 1/11/2013 12:16:40 AM Report

hey hitch, hiding behind your computer calling people dummies? really?? you must be a real tough guy, wish i was as tough as you;) I feel sorry for all you angry birds in this city, it can`t be good for the soul! eh

engineguy 1/11/2013 12:31:38 AM Report

The Soo has such knee jerk racism posting-itis every time a story goes up about native issues.

Can't we keep it a bit classy Soo?

The moderator posted this under a different story, I agree with the point they are making and the article is a good read. Have a gander, it might do you some good.
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