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Firefighters shot while answering call in upstate NY

Monday, December 24, 2012   by: Staff

Two firefighters are dead and two others are in hospital with gunshot wounds after they were shot while responding to a call this morning near Rochester, NY.

Reports indicate someone began shooting shortly after firefighters arrived on the scene of a house fire and were leaving their vehicles.

The gunfire prevented firefighters from extinguishing the flames for several hours.

As a result, the blaze has spread to surrounding structures.

Several homes have been evacuated.


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Wicket 12/24/2012 10:31:46 AM Report

And Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to the families left behind - NOT!!!!! President of guns for everyone, how are you going to control this one with guards, have them 'riding shotgun' to protect firemen????? This is totally out of control in the U.S.
Menard6969 12/24/2012 10:35:07 AM Report

Yah, I bet if guns were illegal to own this would never happen right? Just like when drugs are illegal nobody has them. Use your brain. This is extremely sad though. Shooting kids and emergency services....there's something severely wrong with the population....
BlackHelix 12/24/2012 11:01:48 AM Report

Actually yes, when you reduce the amount of guns, you have less gun violence. That's pretty obvious. Just look at Japan as an example.
Menard6969 12/24/2012 11:18:40 AM Report

Japan is a different country with different laws on privacy and with a totally different criminal justice system. It's pretty obvious that you can not
compare crime rates in Japan to crime rates in the United States nor can you attribute the lower crime rate to their stricter gun laws. Guns are not the problem.
Snowdon 12/24/2012 11:22:07 AM Report

If Japan is a totally different country that you cannot compare, why are you able to compare guns and drugs, two totally different things?
Daemon 12/24/2012 11:42:25 AM Report

guns are not the problem , if you have a phycopathic person who has the need to kill someone , wheter its a gun, butterknife or a rock , hes gonna do it regardless. its the person who has the extreme issues , not the gun, thats a machine , it dosent decide when its trigger is pulled, the person does.if you had stricter gun laws , we would simply see people using rifles and non restriced arms to get the deed done. it wont stop for the states, no magical rule is going to simply cease bloodshed..its how she goes over there...well its how she went.
Snowdon 12/24/2012 11:46:52 AM Report

Kind of hard to kill 10-20 people with a butter-knife or a rock though, no?
mr_jmac 12/24/2012 11:57:15 AM Report

I think we need to re-phrase to say "Gun-culture is the problem" not "Guns are the problem"

A culture in which it is deemed normal or acceptable for a 52 woman who lives in an affluent neighborhood with little to no risk of ever being harmed to own assault rifles "for protection" is the problem.

A culture in which people think it is acceptable to shoot someone just because they trespass on their property is the problem.

A culture in which a parent thinks it is acceptable to have their kids spending hours upon hours playing video games where the main objective is to kill is the problem.

Of course there will always be crazy people in every country who will do evil things. But I believe that the end result of mass murders becomes more probably when these crazy people grow up in a country like the USA with this "gun culture" woven into their very being.

We need to move forward and evolve into a society in which the whole concept of guns seems brutal and archaic.
Wicket 12/24/2012 11:58:20 AM Report

Guns are the problem - they are available to too many people who purchase them for the wrong reason. So, both the people and the guns are the problem - get it.
W. Yote 12/24/2012 12:08:25 PM Report

It is not even the "gun culture" it is the "violence culture".

Agree that comparing Japan and US is totally irrelevant, unless you want to talk about differences in culture, social classes, social policies and programs for mental illness.

Throwing some new gun law on the books might make you feel good now, but that's about it.
the coach 12/24/2012 12:33:41 PM Report

I would have to say that America is in chaos. It would seem to many of us that the country is not happy unless they are involved in some sort of war. Take care of your homeland America, you are in trouble. Too many nuts, too many guns. And too many drugs. Very sad.
Menard6969 12/24/2012 12:39:22 PM Report

@Snowdon I wasn't comparing drugs and guns, I was referencing the current laws pertaining to drugs being illegal in anyone's hands. You can find drugs and drug users anywhere. The same would go if you put an outright ban on guns. Why can't you see that? New laws only punish the law abiding, they are not the answer.
Oldie Goldie 12/24/2012 1:43:06 PM Report

Perhaps the N.R.A. could tell us what a retired Peace Officer could do with a pistol against someone with a Machine Gun ? Maybe we give that Officer an Automatic Macine gun too !
onlyblue 12/24/2012 5:20:48 PM Report

Hey black helix....... When Australia banned firearms home invasions went up 266% in less than a year ... Great idea disarm normal everyday people so junkies can raid your home with you in it (cause they know no one will have guns) .... There's some real smrt people floating around... Oh wait I ment smart...... Go soak your hat
flyfisher1 12/24/2012 7:34:49 PM Report

i have lots of guns ar15s pistols shotguns hunting rifles. you will never see this guy shooting up schools or fire fighters. even if they make stricter gun laws the guns will still be out there. and bad people will still get them. do you take everyones car away because a drunk driver killed an Innocent person?
Biggars 12/24/2012 10:01:12 PM Report

There is no disputing more guns = more gun deaths in every country. Australia didn't ban guns. There are plenty of guns in Australia. They are however, moving to greater gun control. There is a lobby of fear mongers who want to convince people if they give up their gun they are going to get robbed. People are more concerned with losing stuff than protecting lives. Canada and Finland both have very high gun ownership and relatively low gun deaths. Why? Because our attitudes about guns are different. You want to shoot a deer or a duck fine. You don't need a fully or semi automatic gun to do it. Hand guns should be reserved for police officers. In England not even the bobbies get guns. The rates of gun death are 40 times greater in the US than the UK.
MartyMudd 12/24/2012 10:37:24 PM Report

Any "anti-gun" legislation will only take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens. Criminals will always find a way to get their hands on one. Americans live in a fear based society, it's the whole culture of that country that needs to change, but in my opinion it never will. Guns don't kill people, people do. Next time there is a car accident should we ban automobiles? These stories about shootings are terrible and heartbreaking, but I think the issues in the American culture and society are much deeper than just firearms.
Biggars 12/24/2012 11:17:39 PM Report

We don't ban automobiles but we do fine speeders. You can't argue the math on this one. Gun control does work. Of course some bad guys will get guns. No system will end all violence. It will help prevent it. It will absolutely reduce violent deaths.
onlyblue 12/24/2012 11:46:22 PM Report

Gun control DOES NOT work... Guns are not weapons, let's get this fact through rite from the get go.... And for starters there's very few people in Canada able to own fully automatic firearms.. and its to none of my concern who those people are.. gun control is a complete and udder waste of money wanna get to the bottom of this BS start locking these young punks up .... See some names on this site umpteen just future problems waiting to happen ... Let's register these people and take them outta the public... Or Waite let's all feel bad for them cause they have "problems" ... Wanna start fixing things start with these wastes of skin first ....
port 12/25/2012 9:40:37 AM Report

Wonder what the NRA answer to this one would be?

Send in good guys with guns ahead of fire fighters thus delaying the fire fighters entry to burning structures and saving lives?

Or maybe arm fire fighters too!

Can't wait to hear the NRA answer to this type of situation.
kittkatt 12/25/2012 11:38:43 AM Report

Guns and People with guns are the problem.. what happened to the days when only law enforcement could carry guns.. and guns were used as a means for hunting for food to live.. Now you got nut cases out there with no values and no morals.. with a hidden agenda , to kill those who are deamed different than them or a threat to them.. wake up.. America is a great country, and still has great people.. just some have issues.. Make it so yes there is a ban on guns .. Just law enforcement officers carry them, and if someone wants to own a gun for the purpose of sport then make them go for testing, physical, and mental testing, check backgrounds.. red flag those who are rejected for one , Our babies go to a school where there are to be safe and so they may learn , not be killed.. Emergency personal are there to help others, not to be used as a target for a sick mental person.. I thank god I live in Canada, and not the U.S. only because I feel safer here..
onlyblue 12/25/2012 4:33:03 PM Report

Kittkatt... It's people like you that make society afraid of guns ... There are no bad guns.... A single person could walk into a building and do just as much damage with a golf club , bat, knife etc..... I've never harmed anyone nor would I ever .. when we loose the rights to bare arms were all gonna be on a sinking ship... And I hope its people like you kittkatt that go down on the ship first and ill be laughing all the way to the hills ...
j.r.98 12/26/2012 8:43:34 AM Report

I have guns. I have never shot at or killed a human being. I also own a bow and this could kill very easily. I also own a truck, a motorcycle, a snow-machine. Gun laws are NOT there to protect you. The mental stability of the people that commit these crimes today should be in question .
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