City bus strikes pedestrian (Sunday, 5 a.m. update) Sunday, December 09, 2012 by: SooToday.com Staff
Sunday, 5 a.m. update
Update to collision with pedestrian and City Transit bus from December 8 at Albert Street East and Bruce Street.
Officers from Traffic Services have charged 24 year old Courtney Russell of 310-250 Albert Street East under the Highway Traffic Act of Ontario with one count of pedestrian disobey don’t walk signal.
5:30 p.m. update
Motorists are advised that Albert Street from Dennis Street to Bruce Street is now open to traffic.
Bruce Street has also open in both directions.
A witness to the incident told SooToday.com it appeared as though the female that was struck by the city bus simply walked out into oncoming traffic.
Aside from a broken windshield, damage to the bus was minor and it was driven from the scene.
SooToday.com is currently at the scene of a serious incident at the intersection of Bruce and Albert Streets.
It is reported that a City Transit bus struck a pedestrian resulting in serious injuries.
Motorists are advised that Albert Street is closed from Dennis Street to Bruce Street while police investigate the incident.
The closure has caused significant traffic delays and motorists should avoid the area until the scene is cleared.
The southbound lane on Bruce Street from Wellington Street to Albert Street is also closed at this time.
A news release issued by the Sault Ste. Marie Police Service follows.
The Sault Ste. Marie Police Traffic Services division is currently investigating a serious motor vehicle - pedestrian collision at Albert Street East at Bruce Street.
At approximately 14:48 hours, officers responded to a pedestrian who was struck by a City Transit bus at that intersection.
A 24-year-old female was transported to the hospital unconscious with unknown head trauma.
The injuries have been updated from critical to stable at this time.
The investigation is continuing.
If you have any information regarding these crimes, or any other crime, call Crime Stoppers at 705-942-7867 or 1-800-222-8477 (TIPS), submit an e-tip from the Crime Stoppers’ website at www.saultcrimestoppers.com or text keyword SSM with your tip to 274637. Text STOP to 274637 to cancel. Text HELP to 274637 for help.
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phantom 12/8/2012 5:13:50 PM Report
Wow...bad week to be a city bus driver! You know what they say "it comes in 3's" Next?
welshlady 12/8/2012 5:20:39 PM Report
Sorry for the person who got hurt, but it sure is traumatic for the bus driver also. Buses are big and it's not hard to see one coming.
Tom_Bom 12/8/2012 5:35:45 PM Report
I hope that girl is okay... This sort of thing is why I never cross the street when there's a bus on the way... some of the drivers just go way too fast and it's much harder to stop a multi ton bus then it is a car.
It's too early to lay the blame on anyone... This is really a bad week for the transit service as someone pointed out earlier... but it's far too early to place the blame on them, or the girl, until it's been fully investigated and we know exactly what happened. I just hope it isn't someone i know...
phatbear336 12/8/2012 5:39:25 PM Report
What's with people and J-Walking? Like you gain nothing other then you escaped with your life. When I see J-Walkers I blast my air horn at them cause a fully loaded truck can't stop like a car.
Tom_Bom 12/8/2012 5:44:32 PM Report
we don't know that it was J walking. she could have used the intersection. we just don't know at this point and everything is just pure speculation.
Thim 12/8/2012 5:51:34 PM Report
It's strange how people respond to a story like this, their typing a couple paragraps ahead of the thought process.
Tom_Bom 12/8/2012 6:03:38 PM Report
I love this update. "Aside from a broken windshield, damage to the bus was minor and it was driven from the scene."
Who cares about this bus? There's a girl in the hospital with possible brain damage here.
kamen 12/8/2012 6:06:23 PM Report
First off, the 24 year old woman ran across the intersection in front of the bus and the driver was unable to stop in time. Second the chances that she was drunk are slim to none, she was probably just trying to cross the intersection so she could get on the bus but ended up not making it. She was still unconscious yet breathing when she arrived at the hospital, I only know this as I was at the hospital when she arrived and I overheard the doctors talking to the paramedics. I would like to send out thanks and prayers. Thank you to the paramedics as well as the doctors for being so efficient. The room was cleared cleaned and ready for her when they arrived and the doctors had all attention turned to this young lady before she had even arrived. I send my prayers and hopes to the family and friends of this young lady. I do not know who she is and I may or may not know you, no words I can offer will make this easier on you but I would like to let you know that she was most certainly in good hands at the hospital and I do wish her the best.
minoutche 12/8/2012 6:31:21 PM Report
If she did walk out in front of the bus like the
witness said, it makes you wonder if she was
busy walking and texting instead of paying attention of where she was going! Just a thought
though. I do hope she will be ok and her injuries
shju 12/8/2012 6:34:01 PM Report
I feel bad for both the pedestrian and the bus driver, but the drivers of these buses are nuts. They need to slow down and stop at stop signs, and quit running yellow lights. Not one bus driver stops at the stop sign near my house, and there are kids that walk along the street because there is no side walk. Maybe this wouldn't happen if they were a little more cautious.
onions 12/8/2012 6:39:26 PM Report
Why was my comment removed sootoday?? I have witnessed these actions from bus drivers, im not making this stuff up!!! What you hiding from??
rcamp211 12/8/2012 6:46:15 PM Report
"I only know this as I was at the hospital when she arrived and I overheard the doctors talking to the paramedics" KAMEN have you ever heard of doctor/patient confidentiality :)
newshound69 12/8/2012 7:39:58 PM Report
Some bus drivers do drive unsafely, however there are many people that race across the street/intersection to catch/beat the bus just as those that race the trains so they don't get caught waiting. No one will truly know what happened except the driver and pedestrian until after the investigation.
rcamp211 ..doctor/patient confidentiality doesn't apply to someone overhearing that the person is still alive in the middle of the emergency room.
it applies to the DOCTOR, or other medical staff (kamen is my daughter and was visiting not a part of the staff at all.) not revealing personal information such as identifying information about an individual in oral or recorded form, if the information:
relates to the physical or mental health of the individual, including information that consists of the health history of the individual’s family,
relates to the providing of health care to the individual, including the identification of a person as a provider of health care to the individual,
is a plan of service within the meaning of the Long-Term Care Act, 1994 for the individual,
relates to payments or eligibility for health care in respect of the individual,
relates to the donation by the individual of any body part or bodily substance,
is the individual’s health number, or
identifies an individual’s substitute decision-maker.
my prayers go out to this person and her family as well.
Brianz 12/8/2012 7:41:24 PM Report
The bus drivers in this city drive a little too aggressive...this is strictly my opinion....I live on Queen St and the buses fly by here often...I have also seen them in other areas of the city doing this...it has nothing to do with what happened here or the other day but.....stay outta their way!!!
GrammaDingbat54 12/8/2012 8:35:43 PM Report
Without knowing whose fault it is for the accident, I do not like the weekend bus drivers. I'm not saying all of them but one in particular last weekend, I was getting off the McNabb bus at the top of Lake St. Hill and he shut the doors on me while I was still on the steps! Some of them are the younger bus drivers, rookies I guess, are irresponsible and rude. They need to slow down. What's the hurry when the buses run every hour and can take their time and take more care with the traffic, especially this time of year when it's busy and heavy with holiday shoppers. And they're no better, either!!
I'm In 12/8/2012 9:29:59 PM Report
I can tell you people that post on this site haven't seen how transits operate in other cities. Haven't you learned in driving school that it takes longer for a forty foot vehicle to stop than a car, which I am sure this bus driver tried to do to avoid this accident. Why do you think they paint lines on the roads and put up traffic lights, its not for art purposes. Bus drivers are trained to be defensive drivers to avoid accidents, and if they caused the accident it is a charge under the highway traffic act for them and a licence suspension or loss of. Oh and the buses have govenors on the motors, for you on this site that think the buses go over the speed limit all the time and if they do it is done in a safe manner because they have schedules to keep. It was an accident and you if you think its the drivers fault wait until the investigation is complete before you start laying blame.
Hopefully it turns out for the best of the pedestrian that was hit.
irishfey 12/8/2012 9:30:41 PM Report
Well, being as i wasn"t there, i can"t comment at who was at fault. I sure hope this young lady will be ok and i agree,, the bus driver must feel terrible. Lots of accidents at this time of year... slow down people and really watch where your going. Rushing will get you nowhere fast! Tiss the season of hustle and bustle and lots of accidents! So just please slow down and watch out for the ones that are not watching. Prayers for all involved.
j.r.98 12/8/2012 9:30:51 PM Report
l personally knew someone who drove, and i think still drives a city bus and believe me i would never get on the bus driven by this person. A lot of drivers who drive for private companies must complete drug testing. Most bus drivers have to speed because they are on a schedule. l only say this because anytime i have been following one they are speeding. If they are pulled over to the side with the 4 way flashers on and are dropping or picking up riders i take extra care when maneuvering around them for fear they pull out in front of me. Be aware of the signage on the bus that reads yield right of way
Snowdon 12/8/2012 9:46:23 PM Report
Sootoday commenters thought process.
-Girl hit by bus in critical and then stable condition
-I know! I have this anecdotal evidence of some times seeing a bus travel fast. You know what? That is super relevant! It doesn't matter if I can't prove it, once it's out there it's out there.
-Yes, I think I will pointlessly post this useless information. Do I have any proof that busdrivers in the Soo travel any faster than anyone else? No. Do I have any proof that they even travel at excessive speeds? No. Do I have anyway of even knowing how fast they are going when I see them? Well, I don't have a radar gun, so no...
-Screw it, this anecdotal, baseless info needs to get out there at a time like this! To the computer I go!
kamen 12/8/2012 10:06:43 PM Report
Like my mother said I was visiting my gramma and aunt, I am not employed with Sault Area Hospital. I had over heard the doctors who were talking quietly it's just with no one in the immediate area as they were all in the patients room prepping it, I was unable to hear a few thing I probably shouldn't have. I still am unaware of the identity of said patient and would not post it anyways.
rcssm69 12/8/2012 10:25:14 PM Report
You're out to lunch...
Governors for rpm, yes, but speed? NO
And please explain how they are allowed to speed, but in a safe manner???? Must be part of that defensive driver training!!! ROTFL
Brianne 12/8/2012 10:54:39 PM Report
Please people, take the time to read the articles on this accident on all the news sites. She got out of a vehicle on the north side of albert street and crossed in front of the bus.
SO many scenarios from that, as to what it could be........ b/f, g/f arguing and she jumped out and wanted to get away from the arguement....... Dropped off to meet a friend somewhere.......... so many scenario's as to what happened.
The only people that know what happened are the woman and the person that was driving the car that she got out of.
Don't speculate any further please, what if this was a parent that was dropping off a daughter and witnessed this horrible accident.
And those of you who say buses speed........ I ride them all the time...... yes they do, trying to stay on schedule and getting to the light quickly to make it through. Taking off in a hurry when elderly people get on the bus, nearly making them fall. Most of them are considerate.... but there are a couple that are horrible drivers and you are thrown around in your seat with their slamming of breaks etc. I had to grab ahold of an elderly lady the other day from falling, as he never waited until she sat down before taking off. Some day, some elderly person is going to fall and get hurt badly.
Sam C 12/8/2012 10:55:23 PM Report
I'm in... I was with you until the part about the governors.
But whether or not this bus was speeding remains to be determined. For that matter, the only fact we know are is:
- a pedestrian was crossing the road and was hit by a bus.
We should all wait until the whole story is known before jumping to conclusions.
67Tanger 12/9/2012 12:05:04 AM Report
Without knowing who was at fault in this particular incident, I did happen to witness a city bus drive thru a red light on trunk rd at a busy time...8am.
Being at least 100 ft from the intersection when the light turned red the driver did not slowdown at all but proceeded on thru.
This has got to stop, and not only with buses, vehicles are running red lights at almost every intersection thru out the day. The police have got to be a little more vigilante and start writing up some tickets and adhereing to the rules themselves.
My prayers go out to both the pedestrian and bus driver involved.
Drmcorpschick 12/9/2012 1:28:45 AM Report
Drivers in this city in general are terrible. Most are distracted. I've rode the bus for many years, I hate some of the drivers for their lack of driving skills. One in particular, during our first big snowfall, decided that he was going to slam on the breaks as he hit the bus stop to let a passenger off the bus. He slid and turned the bus sideways.
It states the girl was sent to the hospital with unknown head trauma, my guess is her head broke the windshield.
I just hope this girl is alright.
Zarm27 12/9/2012 2:50:31 AM Report
I wouldn't be so ready to blame the driver, the fact is there's schedules, and if a bus is running late the enter fleet runs late. That is not to say he did anything wrong, but the female could easily have been listening to headphones or maybe just looked at the lights instead of traffic to determine her pace across the intersection.
Anyways, most buses speed to keep in time with the schedule, if people are trying to make it to a bus stop in time plan to be 5 minutes early, otherwise expect delays.
Btw, if she crossed on a do not walk signal, lesson learned, nuff said
tqd9999 12/9/2012 5:51:05 AM Report
well, there you have it, no more speculation and arguing about who's right or wrong
steve53000 12/9/2012 6:16:32 AM Report
Have some of you really driven around this city where some ( I mean some) of these bus drivers think they are in control of the roads around them.
SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO back off and look for the best of everyone not just yourself
I have been in an instance years ago with a cith bus and they (most) have not changed their I drive a BUS and you have to give me the road.
also I have a little sign that says its law
That was a big mistake as it got to some of thier heads.
I just hope the girl and the driver is going to be fine
Sam C 12/9/2012 8:23:05 AM Report
GrammaDingbat54... FYI, when the buses are running an hourly schedule, they do not have "more time." The route takes the same amount of time.
The difference is that when the buses run n a half-hour schedule, there are TWO buses on that same route, a half-hour apart: one is leaving the terminal as the other is leaving the lay-over (half-way point).
Beej 12/9/2012 8:40:33 AM Report
5 a.m. update huh?
You go out of your way to tell us that the girl was charged, but you couldn't bother to tell us if she is ok or not? Geez.
I'm In 12/9/2012 9:20:29 AM Report
rcssm69: I drove city/school buses, and they don't go over 60 miles an hour because of the govenor on the motor. rcssm69 where do you think the power comes from, I'd say your the one out to lunch, pretty bad when snow machines passed me along I-75 going to Gaylord, Mich.
the coach 12/9/2012 9:25:31 AM Report
J walking is rampant in this city, and I am surprised more people aren't run over like bugs. You want to see stupid, go east at around 12 in the afternoon and see these idiot kids coming from White Pines crossing the street. Or vice versa. Now that is stupid. There is only one person that can stop a bus like that and he is from the planet Krypton. I am not sure what planet these dummies are who want to test your braking skills, but my brakes aren't that great.
I'm In 12/9/2012 9:28:23 AM Report
rcssm69: I said if they speed, not allowed to, if they cause an accident or get caught for speeding than it is a fine, licence suspension or loss of. So rcssm69 it was the pedestrians fault,she made the mistake and hopefully she has a full recovery from her injuries.
rcssm69 12/9/2012 9:58:04 AM Report
You posted earlier...
Oh and the buses have govenors on the motors, for you on this site that think the buses go over the speed limit all the time and if they do it is done in a safe manner because they have schedules to keep.
...and then you say...
I drove city/school buses, and they don't go over 60 miles an hour because of the govenor on the motor. rcssm69 where do you think the power comes from.
60 miles/hour is the maximum governed speed??? Show me a posted road over 60km/hour in town??? So YES you have contradicted yourself!!! ROTFL
beanie 12/9/2012 10:30:02 AM Report
60 miles/hour is the maximum governed speed??? Show me a posted road over 60km/hour in town??? So YES you have contradicted yourself!!! ROTFL
as a matter of fact, Great Northern Rd is posted at 80kmh and Trunk Rd is 70kmh........so no they didn't contradict themselves, your just too stunned to think before you start stating facts about things you know nothing about
rcssm69 12/9/2012 10:34:45 AM Report
60 miles/hour = 100 km/hour in my book!!!
rcssm69 12/9/2012 10:38:01 AM Report
...and there's mention of driving down the I-75 so I'm not assuming that it was a typo!!!
rcssm69 12/9/2012 10:38:53 AM Report
...and GNR is only posted from Gino's Restaurant to 4th line, so that's a stretch at best!!!
rcssm69 12/9/2012 10:39:15 AM Report
...same with Trunk Road, so quit trying!!!
rcssm69 12/9/2012 10:39:35 AM Report
rcssm69 12/9/2012 10:40:29 AM Report
Have a nice day Beanie!!!
beanie 12/9/2012 11:11:37 AM Report
@rcssm69- your, your own biggest fan dude!! you couldn't wait to catch someone in the mph/kph trap, seriously get a life!!! in other news, the govenors are set at 70kph..........just saying!! and you also have a nice day!!!
rcssm69 12/9/2012 11:13:13 AM Report
rcssm69 12/9/2012 11:14:30 AM Report
...and the buses will easily do 100km/hour!!!
kamen 12/9/2012 11:20:51 AM Report
I agree that some of the drivers of the buses drive to fast. Have you ever been on Sault College as it flies down breton road? Feels like you are a bobble head with whiplash by the time you reach pine street with some drivers. Plus people park on the road and the driver will be flying down what is pretty much a one lane street at some points with all the people parked on the road. Drivers do need to slow down at certain times, there have now been 3 accidents in a matter of 3 days. The first was when the driver fell unconscious at the wheel, the second was this inncident with the young lady being struck by the bus and a little later that same day a parabus had an accident with a van. The first two, the drivers were not at fault but the parabus accident the driver was at fault. I am yet to see the story on the parabus accident.
Dictionary 12/9/2012 11:23:25 AM Report
given that she was rendered unconscious with head trauma, was a charge necessary?
JeffDAMCSSM 12/9/2012 12:04:45 PM Report
If that was me or you and not a bus driver we would have been charged with fail to yield right away for a pedestrian.Regardless whether the light was green or red. i accidently clipped someone stepping off a corner when i had a green light, That's the charge i received, Seem's bus drivers are above the law..Hopoefully everyone is ok
stiJJy 12/9/2012 12:10:49 PM Report
Lol, rcssm69, you should try and put all your thoughts into a single post instead of several in a row.
rcssm69 12/9/2012 12:23:27 PM Report
I know...sorry about that! Bit of a waste! LOL
Dead End Kid 12/9/2012 1:44:46 PM Report
It sounds to me that once again the towns people have all gathered together to kill the Frankenstein monster.
It's fun to post our comments on SooToday but in this situation where someone was seriously hurt, lets wait to hear the results of the investigation without further speculation as to what may or may not have happened.
I wish the best to the girl and to both parties involved in this unfortunate incident.
ThinkAgain 12/9/2012 2:54:07 PM Report
An accident is exactly that an accident, sad it happened but I'm sure not deliberate. Yes bus drivers speed all the time - have to keep the schedule. And yes I believe anyone driving for an occupation - they should be tested for drugs & alcohol more often.
muf 12/9/2012 4:09:07 PM Report
ThinkAgain ,are they all tested for drugs and alcohol now ?
Number One Son 12/9/2012 4:13:08 PM Report
The woman has been released from Hospital. She was being dropped off by her boyfriend to go to work when she was hit. These are facts, quit speculating.
FYI, ... I was at the intersection fo Bruce and Great Northern one day when I was beside a bus at a red light. I looked at the driver, and he was on his cell phone and it looked like he was texting someone. Red light or not, this shouldn't happen.
eldorado 12/9/2012 5:36:33 PM Report
I spent the last few minutes reading comments about yesterday's accident . We've heard both sides, but the third side, " the facts" are yet to be discovered. Firstly I wish the young lady a full and speedy recovery. I am well acquainted with the bus driver involved, and I have been on her bus... She was always courteous and helpful to her passengers. I spoke to some witnesses and they all said the same, the young lady in a moment's inattention failed to see the bus. Sad, but its no one's fault. If someone sees a driver driving in a dangerous fashion, they should report it, not stereotype all drivers....Thanks
speed7 12/10/2012 12:46:22 AM Report
Poor lady. Hope she is ok? Well have to wait till the investigation is complete Some of you haven't rode tthe TTC buses in Toronto. It's crazy! The driver brakes when you board the bus . Your arms like a monkey swing on the poles otherwise you'll get thrown Hesd first out the window. Buses come around every 5 minutes and they drive like maniacs.The subways worse. People have died falling into the tracks loosing their balance. You can feel the air pressure sucking you in when the train comes in. You have to Pay attention when commuting. I pods are the worst distractors . Yet every one wears them. I do agree their are a lot of crazy drivers in the sault as well. Mostly inpatient road ragers .