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Lots more 'sick days' taken in public sector. Taxpayers stuck with bill

Tuesday, December 04, 2012   by: SooToday.com Staff

NEWS RELEASE

CANADIAN FEDERATION OF INDEPENDENT BUSINESS

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Five extra public sector sick days costing Canadians up to $3.5 billion

TORONTO (December 4, 2012) - Public sector employees in Canada take nearly five more sick, disability and personal days per year than Canadians working in the private sector, at an annual cost of up to $3.5 billion, says a report from the Canadian Federation of Independent Business (CFIB).

"I don't think anybody believes that public sector workers just get sick more often, yet something makes them feel entitled to more time off," said CFIB president and CEO Dan Kelly. "Obviously, we want to be compassionate when people are truly not well, but the current system has entrenched a feeling of entitlement to those days off that has very little to do with being sick."

In addition, some public sector workers have the option to "bank" unused sick days, then take a lump-sum payment or use the days to retire early.

Workers who manage to stay healthy can build up months of extra time off and/or pay.

Federal government employees take the most time off by a wide margin, averaging 15.2 sick, disability and personal days per year.

The overall public sector average is 12.9 days, compared to 8.2 days in the private sector.

There are also variances within the private sector, depending on the size of the employer.

Employees in businesses with fewer than 20 employees averaged 6.7 days off, while those in firms with more than 5 employees took 9.1 days, which is still considerably lower than the public sector average.

The report makes a number of recommendations to address the current disparity.

Chief among them is a call for sick day allotments to be aligned with those offered in the private sector, and for the accumulation of unused sick days to be discontinued.

"We think sick days should be used only when you're sick," added Kelly. "The numbers suggest that's not always happening in the public sector, and that's not fair. We need to change the system so everybody's playing by the same rules."

To view CFIB's full report, Calling in Sick, visit here.

As Canada's largest association of small- and medium-sized businesses, CFIB is Powered by Entrepreneurs™.

Established in 1971, CFIB takes direction from more than 109,000 members in every sector nationwide, giving independent business a strong and influential voice at all levels of government and helping to grow the economy.

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PlasmaX 12/4/2012 10:50:49 AM Report

Hmmmm ... and protesters of bill 115 argue that they don't affect the deficit.

Excerpt from the article (exactly what I have argued in previous articles about bill 115 yet I was attacked and called "a teacher hater" :

"The report makes a number of recommendations to address the current disparity.

Chief among them is a call for sick day allotments to be aligned with those offered in the private sector, and for the accumulation of unused sick days to be discontinued.

"We think sick days should be used only when you're sick," added Kelly. "The numbers suggest that's not always happening in the public sector, and that's not fair. We need to change the system so everybody's playing by the same rules."

I'm just sayin' 12/4/2012 10:52:42 AM Report

there are more than teachers in the public sector!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
fullstringer 12/4/2012 10:53:16 AM Report

"We think sick days should be used only when you're sick," added Kelly. "The numbers suggest that's not always happening in the public sector, and that's not fair. We need to change the system so everybody's playing by the same rules."

That's a great idea! Then why don't you take away "all" benefits from everyone to match the workers who have none? There are 1000,s of folks who don't have any benefits in their workplace so let's match those ones? Keep it fair for everyone right?
BigDaddy 12/4/2012 10:55:38 AM Report

Anyone making a comment should first read the entire report to make an informed comment. The report does mention that the majority of time off comes from disability/sick days. In the private sector, employees who are found to be unable to work are forced to use the EI system. The CFIB tries to make it look like sickness/disability seems to only occur in the Public sector which is not only silly but wrong. Maybe the private sector should step up and provide more for it's employees? Ultimately, either way the taxpayer pays for it. The report also uses very limited information to compare sick times (ie, it uses the WSIB workboard agency as a guide. A very small Ontario department which hardly represents the majority). Overall, this is a very weak and biased report and frankly the "researcher" should be ashamed of herself if she thinks this is a quality academic paper.
everson 12/4/2012 10:57:31 AM Report

Let us all have no benefits and work for minimum wage. Let us all go to work sick and spread the disease around.
Again let us work for minimum wage oh and how about we must work for 12 hours with no weekends and forget stat holidays that is a waste of money too.
everson 12/4/2012 10:58:10 AM Report

Let us all have no benefits and work for minimum wage. Let us all go to work sick and spread the disease around.
Again let us work for minimum wage oh and how about we must work for 12 hours with no weekends and forget stat holidays that is a waste of money too.
BigDaddy 12/4/2012 10:58:35 AM Report

Well said fullstringer. The truly disappointing thing about this "report" is that it just adds fuel and support to the ignorant. This is just hate mongering but watch how well it works...
speed7 12/4/2012 10:59:04 AM Report

when youre sick.... you're sick. The public sector is 100 times worse. Look at the call centers... a sick note required for everything and you get treated like hell. Try going to the ministry of health for asbestos in the roof or poor quality of air. Or when insectides are sprayed over night to kill spiders and the next day you have to go to work and breath in all those lovely toxins which have neurological effects. Good Luck. Basically you get treated like garbage. At least the private sector has rules regarding health and safety to protect its workers. The public sector doesnt give a rats ass about you!
PlasmaX 12/4/2012 11:02:05 AM Report

Speed7: I think you are confusing the public and private sectors. Public = Government, Private = Corporations and small business.
Dixiepup 12/4/2012 11:04:45 AM Report

We fail to remember that these were union negotiated benefits. Our parents and grandparents worked like slaves before unions and now those benefits are looked at like priviledges by the public.

If the current trend keeps up, Unions will be gone forever and then wait and see what happens. Remember Rae days? How about no days.

PlasmaX 12/4/2012 11:05:48 AM Report

Big Daddy and fullstringer: The report is basically recommending that public sector employees are not alloted 20+ sick days a year. Most private sector jobs allot on average between 5 - 10 sick days a year and that is plenty for most people. If you have a condition or injury that requires you to take more then you can apply for a medical leave approved by your doctor.

If you think that employees in the public sector NEED to have more than 10 sick days allotted then you are part of the problem, not the solution.
speed7 12/4/2012 11:11:32 AM Report

I highly doubt any teacher took all those sick days they had in the first place. Show me the stats that say they took them all an used them? Go ahead copy and paste all you want. Easy to do that when it suits your argument. Gosh what fools!
PlasmaX 12/4/2012 11:12:43 AM Report

DixiePup: This isn't the 1920's: labor laws and human rights has improved leaps and bounds over the years - and yes Unions did have a hand in that. Yet they are predicting Unions will be totally gone within 40-50 years - they won't be needed anymore.
PlasmaX 12/4/2012 11:16:26 AM Report

Speed7: You highly doubt? Read the article again it quotes stats for all public sector jobs (which includes teachers). The pubic sector average almost 5 days higher than private sector employees - you don't have to copy and paste when you can simply do the math.

It's human nature that if you are given more of something you are going to use more of it whether you actually need it or not ...
speed7 12/4/2012 11:19:07 AM Report

Its simple , when you work for the government = it means you are protected when it comes to health an safety
When you work for a non government= it means they use you, spit you out and then serve you up for dinner on a plate. You got what I meant. Put a lid on it!
speed7 12/4/2012 11:20:05 AM Report

show me records that say teachers used up all those sick days! Yes I highly doubt it!
eadiecougs 12/4/2012 11:29:04 AM Report

unions are a joke I get paid 10.25 and am in a union two years now no raise or nothing from the company so why am I paying 200 dollars a year.I think we wont be around in 40 years the way we are raping the earth and destroying everything on a count of making money.
PlasmaX 12/4/2012 11:31:21 AM Report

I've worked a few private jobs where I was treated very well. I have also worked a couple where it wasn't so good. That's why we have a choice as to who we want to work for. You can't stereotype all private sector jobs and say they treat their employees badly because it's not even close to the truth.

speed7 12/4/2012 11:36:10 AM Report

Show me the stats saying private sector jobs treat their employees fairly. You want to arugue about that now? Cleary you have a problem. Put a lid on it!
speed7 12/4/2012 11:39:24 AM Report

Oh and you never placed any stereotype on teachers havent you? No your innocent. Sure!
PlasmaX 12/4/2012 11:40:38 AM Report

Show me the stats that say they treat them unfairly!

This has nothing to do with the article - However I notice you often go off on wild tangents when posting, venting about this that and the other.
PlasmaX 12/4/2012 11:44:32 AM Report

Show me the stats that say they treat them UNfairly...

You were the one that started whining about private sector companies. However I notice you often go off on wild tangents when posting, venting about this that and the other and then accusing other posters of trying to start arguments with you.
PlasmaX 12/4/2012 11:46:39 AM Report

sorry for the double-post
Joe Kidd 12/4/2012 11:50:14 AM Report

when you do get sick they are handy to have.heart surgury for one will eat up that accumulated sick timelike no bodys business. Hope you never need to use it for such reasons.
speed7 12/4/2012 11:50:29 AM Report

And you like to focus on teachers. Still you havent produced anything to prove yourself. What? did the cat get your tounge now? Man you are the worst! Show me the proof? Why the hesitation?
speed7 12/4/2012 11:57:03 AM Report

I am not going off on wild tangents . Youve chosen to close your eyes. I am asking you to show me the stats of how many sick days teachers take of their allotment. Simple. No wild tangent there but you respond with nothing back but arguements that diverts the attention to something about me. Why are you avoiding the question?
PlasmaX 12/4/2012 12:02:02 PM Report

I'm not focusing on teachers - I agree with the findings of this study that ALL public sector employees are allotted too much sick time - not just teachers. You are actually the one who keeps bringing the focus back to teachers. Here is your second post:

"I highly doubt any teacher took all those sick days they had in the first place. Show me the stats that say they took them all an used them? Go ahead copy and paste all you want. Easy to do that when it suits your argument. Gosh what fools!"

Why do I need to prove myself? The article is quoting a study that was done by the CFIB. There are your facts right there. It you who clearly chooses to dismiss anything that doesn't support your own views and opinions. Even if you were shown 300 pages worth of statistics and facts i'm sure you would claim that they were faked or came from biased sources.
Wisenheimer 12/4/2012 12:05:51 PM Report

Give them an inch, they take a mile. Nothing earth shattering about that concept!
PlasmaX 12/4/2012 12:07:59 PM Report

Speed7: Let's get back to what the article is talking about. You answer this question: Do you think that public sector employees should have 20 sick days a year?
D_Laity 12/4/2012 12:27:25 PM Report

BigDaddy made a very valid point.

Whether you are pro public, pro private or neither the report is nothing more than typical political smear campaigning. Anyone can word something in a way that makes the other look bad. This article was obviously written to support pro private.

The biggest difference between the sides is this:

Private: Limited sick days (lets say) 5 at full pay and then anything beyond would either be unpaid or EI possibly.

Public: Sick days vary per position and can be anywhere from 5 days to 20 lets say. If the days are used and the employee goes beyond, they generally get a percentage of wages.

The reason the report is not valid is that if a private employee is off for 50 days, they would only show sick for 5. The other 45 days may be being paid by tax payers through EI.

Whereas a public employee will show 50 sick days for being off 50 days.

Additionally, the argument that everyone should have the same is not valid either. It that were the case, there would be no need to educate one self. People have the write to work hard and earn their position, whether it be private or public.

D_Laity 12/4/2012 12:32:42 PM Report

And yes, I realize I spelled write instead of right before someone calls me on it... lol

PlasmaX 12/4/2012 12:38:08 PM Report

D_Laity: I think you are missing the point of the article - it's about taxpayer spending. If a private sector employee takes an additional 10 sick days beyond their allotment they are usually going to be UNPAID - which means taxpayers aren't funding their sick time. If they do have to go on EI it is only if they have a situation or medical problem that requires them to. EI would pay significantly less than the full pay a public employee would get for paid sick days.

The whole point of the article is that that on average public employees take almost 5 more sick days a year than private employees. It is showing that the more sick days allotted, the more will be taken and it costs taxpayers money.
Slim Shady 12/4/2012 12:40:54 PM Report

Some of you are missing the point of the article... Paid time off for not being sick = BAD.... Private sector people do not get less "sick" than Public sector people....

It basically boils down your WORK ETHIC and has little to do with being “sick”. If you are unfortunate and have a medical condition that makes you more prone to sickness – that’s one thing - however to feel entitled to bankable sick days is just plain wrong.

I do not get sick days however my employer allows me to recoup missed time by working extra “banked time”. I only get 3 weeks of paid vacation after working 25 years of my life while others get 3 weeks of paid sick day whether they use them or not ONTOP of their paid vacation?! Even if I could take a sick day off (without being sick) I couldn’t… It is fundamentally wrong however you try and justify it. The whole thing about “It’s not fair that Johnny gets paid sick time off and I’m entitled to the same time off even though I’m healthy” is akin to the mentality of little children…

Nothing is free – we all pay for it in the end through higher prices of goods and increased taxes. If you feel you need more vacation time off then take an unpaid leave of absence!!!!

That’s the trouble with society today – too much sense of entitlement and too many leaches of the system. Everyday I miss, I don’t earn and people who depend on me don’t earn either. It is too expensive to stay at home and sit on my ass when I could be a productive member of society and fatten my wallet at the same time.
PlasmaX 12/4/2012 12:43:13 PM Report

Just because you've worked hard doesn't mean you deserve to be sick more often. If you work hard then your salary should reflect that, not your sick time.

It is very hard for taxpayers to swallow a public sector employee having 20 sick days a year - paid by taxpayer money. Put a survey on Sootoday if the public thinks that 20 sick days is too much for any career and i'm sure the results will agree.
PlasmaX 12/4/2012 12:44:10 PM Report

Slim Shady: WELL SAID!!
PlasmaX 12/4/2012 1:04:05 PM Report

BigDaddy: Just because studies are done and some people think that changes need to be made to sick time allotments doesn't mean that they are hate-mongering. It is only people like you who toss out terms like that to discredit articles and facts that go against your opinion.

Any time change is proposed it's 100% guaranteed that some people are going to disagree with it no matter how much sense it makes.
Sam C 12/4/2012 1:04:54 PM Report

Here's some food for thought... perhaps the CFIB should look to encouraging its members to provide sufficient sick days for THEIR employees! How many CFIB members employ minimum wagers that DO NOT get any sick days?

Of course the public sector takes more sick days, since they are allowed to take them.

Next time you're in your favourite shop in the mall, as the clerk how many sick days s/he gets.
fullstringer 12/4/2012 1:16:50 PM Report

I think the point many here are forgetting is that these 'sick days" were included in negotiated contracts. Just as were the wages, the drug benefits, the vision care, the dental care..... They were all negotiated, the same as many private sector union shops have done.
speed7 12/4/2012 1:20:25 PM Report

Yes" hate mongering" is a good fit to your profile. Obviously you must feel sick since your spending a good majority or your work day on soo today spreading the hate all over this topic.
What nonsense.
PlasmaX 12/4/2012 1:28:55 PM Report

Speed7: What are the hate words that i am using? How would you know what time of the day I work or what days off I have? It seems to me just because I disagree with you and often undermine your arguments you set out to paint me as hater. If you can't provide knowledgeable, constructive input or arguments then just don't say anything at all.
Ricatoni 12/4/2012 1:43:26 PM Report

This guy is paid by business to come up with this crap, he doesnt show any proof and quite frankly he doesnt know what he is talking about either. This is simply business people trying to convince their under payed employees that they shouldnt be entitled to any benefits...maybe this brainiac should tell us how many sick days he uses a year or better yet ask him how many employees he forces to come to work sick so that he can make a profit???? from what I am gathering from this he and business people clearly dont care about their employees. This is probably why most canadians dont shop here in Canada because the way employees treat the customers... and I dont blame them when you have arrogant business crooks taking all the money for themselves and not helping or caring about their employees well you can fill in the blanks....All this article does is make those who work for these greedy private sector people more mad at the fact that the owner or boss is taking advantage of them.just ask some of the people who commented here three weeks holidays for 25 years service....Nice boss you got there pal.....If I were you I would be calling in sick on the busiest day of the year and see who they like that..LMAO....Only in Canada would business people think they are the only ones entitled to any benefits and profits.....go figure.....It is articles like this that will only make me not want to shop here in canada thanks.good job of showing people were all the money goes to the owners and not the employees ..You private sector people need to wake up and demand a union so that you can be treated fair instead of watching your bosses take all the profits...
PlasmaX 12/4/2012 1:50:18 PM Report

fullstringer: So according to your logic that anything that is negotiated should never change, it's written in stone for all time?

I've seen other hide behind that argument as well and it's pretty weak. When you were growing up did your parents teach you if you abuse a privilege than they are going to take it away?

Also you have to look at the big picture. Here's an analogy: A private company hired it's employees on giving them 20 paid sick days. After a few years the company hits hard times and realizes it no longer makes enough profit to to allot 20 sick days to it's employees. The company has a few choices: lay-off some of it's staff, risk bankruptcy, or reduce the amount of sick time allotted. The shareholders in the company vote to reduce sick time

The government is really just a big corporation, they need to balance the budget to reduce deficit and if possible have a surplus in order to function and prosper. In times like this where the world economy is struggling and we are in deficit it makes sense to make cutbacks - ESPECIALLY in areas where it makes sense. Put it to the public to see if they agree that public sector employees could use a few less sick days. After all we are the shareholders when it comes to the government.
Ricatoni 12/4/2012 1:56:23 PM Report

Also you have to look at the big picture. Here's an analogy: A private company hired it's employees on giving them 20 paid sick days. After a few years the company hits hard times and realizes it no longer makes enough profit to to allot 20 sick days to it's employees. The company has a few choices: lay-off some of it's staff, risk bankruptcy, or reduce the amount of sick time allotted. The shareholders in the company vote to reduce sick time

Yea so why is it the employees have to give up something when the owners are making huge profits??? and taking huge profit sharing checks???? maybe you can answer that question ?????? that sure sounds fair ehhhhh??? if your a business owner any way....LOL... double standards..do as we say not as we do......
PlasmaX 12/4/2012 1:57:53 PM Report

Ricatoni: wow i think the article flew right over your head - if anything the article supports private sector employees by saying that public sector employees should have less sick days, thus making it fairer for employees and taxpayers all around.
speed7 12/4/2012 2:01:21 PM Report

realistically you make it your focus to undermine aruguements. Why cant you awnser a simple question?
Show me the proof that teachers use all their sick days? I'm trying to say to you that they have sick days but I doubt they use them. Too busy teaching incase you havent noticed? I posed a Simple question yet, you cant provide any awnsers. That is a sign of severe immaturity. Your points mean nothing to anyone. Cant you tell? I dont see anyone cheering you on in here? How sad people like you research teacher negotiations and basicially that is not your concern. Take your fixations to another arena. Let teachers worry aout their union negotiations.
PlasmaX 12/4/2012 2:06:05 PM Report

OMG ... why are you still talking about teachers!! The article is not specifically about teachers. Tell you what if you really want a fact i will give you one. Up until recently teachers were able to bank their sick time and get a payout at retirement - so guess what? They were using almost all of their sick days - even worse than the average figure provided in this article.
PlasmaX 12/4/2012 2:07:40 PM Report

Speed7: Now answer the question that I have asked you: Do you believe that public sector employees NEED to have 20 sicks days (paid) per year?
PlasmaX 12/4/2012 2:10:50 PM Report

Ricatoni,

So what you are saying is that the government really isn't in deficit - they are just hoarding the money somewhere and giving out fat bonus checks to all the top officials? How old are you?
Nimrod 12/4/2012 2:24:10 PM Report

Not only is the number of sick days out of proportion but the real staggering stat not listed in the article is the number of public sector workers is about 4.5 public sector workers for every private sector employee!!! Now the numbers are even more staggering EH ??
speed7 12/4/2012 2:30:03 PM Report

Yes I do only because its there for when one needs it. I dont beleive in going into work with strep throat or a bad flu bug and spreading the virus around. The call centers never cared , yet a large number of people called in sick anyways.
I think that taxpayers like to think they can reduce the deficit by taking these sick days away but it so not true. The money saved isnt going into your or my pocket. I agree with ricatoni how old are you. Really.
PlasmaX 12/4/2012 2:41:19 PM Report

Speed7: You should really quit while you are behind. You don't need 20 sick days in a year to combat the flu or strep throat. Unless you are a unique circumstance where you are more susceptible to viruses than most people 10 sicks days is plenty. If you are that unique circumstance then you can utilize EI or a medical leave. Let's face it - your employer shouldn't have to pay the price if you need two or three times as many paid sick days as the average worker.
speed7 12/4/2012 2:47:10 PM Report

Waiting for you to awnser my question then?
Dead End Kid 12/4/2012 2:53:06 PM Report

The internet is a sick world wherein under the guise of anonymity, perfectly sane individuals commit the insane cowardly act of insulting one another never really knowing in actuality who they are insulting. I will say that in point, it allows one to freely express themselves in a most creative way that in the past they could only internalize their own inner thoughts and desires. For this I say this is a good thing.

Yours truly, the ghost of Abraham Lincoln.
PlasmaX 12/4/2012 2:54:20 PM Report

A bit creepy that you are asking me personal questions now ...
speed7 12/4/2012 2:57:46 PM Report

Need I say to you how many times my relative who is a teacher has gone into work sick? They didnt need to go into work but they did. Its called dedication to your job maybe? Loyalty is no longer a part of any ones character if they are under 25 years of age. Do you even realize how much work teachers do past the time the school closes? No you dont because you havent gotten your feet wet into teaching yet. Your probably some young person arent you?
speed7 12/4/2012 2:59:28 PM Report

I am still waiting for you to awnser my question plasma? Whats wrong? Why havent you yet?
PlasmaX 12/4/2012 3:10:08 PM Report

Think what you want - you don't need to know my age. I know that from comparing my posts to yours one would infer that you are a teenager.

It's funny how you keep telling me i bring the focus back to teachers but if you go through all the posts it is you who repeatedly brings them up. Once again the focus of the article was "Sick days should only be used for when you are really sick"

BTW ... do you want to play a game of chess? :-p
speed7 12/4/2012 3:18:21 PM Report

No I do not. I know your moves already on that CHESS BOARD of yours. yOU CANT AWNSER THE QUESTION CAN YOU. I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY NOW. Yup! Silence speaks volumes.
speed7 12/4/2012 3:26:03 PM Report

Just for the record, you were the one who brought this up with bill 115 in your very first post in response to this article. You are fixated with teacher negotialtions and continually comment you cant even awser my question can you.
bulletcards 12/4/2012 3:41:27 PM Report

first off... TEACHERS!!!!!

now that i have spoken the current buzz word, let us put aside I hate teachers vs I love teachers. enough with the teachers already

A lot of comments have stated along the lines of "unless you suffer from medical conditions umlike the majority".

quick question. How many of the working population suffers from Diabetes, heart conditions, breathing conditions, severe alergies, auto immune conditions? which in all cases lowers your immune system or increase your chances of getting sick. Now how many of the working population is completely medically condition free? I think the majority is in the other direction here.

Fine cut back sick days, but take that money and invest it in our failing health care system to help people be sick less often.
bulletcards 12/4/2012 3:55:36 PM Report

@speed7

I know many very dedicated and loyal under 25 year olds. If you look at it from another perspective of what our youth are taught, learn and experience in today's society. of course they would have little loyalty. They are taught in school that a me only attitude will get them ahead in life(not a shot against teachers rather the system it's self). They grow up working low payed, low reward jobs in their teen years. While the owners of those business' get rich and keep it vary rarly showing gratitude for them. when they go to college/university they see that personal success is valued more than group sucess. and let's not forget what they see in the media.

How about instead of blaming our younger generations for what they have become, we blame our selfs for letting society get so bad.
speed7 12/4/2012 4:14:14 PM Report

bullet cards I agree somewhat. Values and a good work attitudes are first taught at home not in school. Younger generations will all be low paid if this crap keeps up. Alot of younger people out there have good work habits. It all comes from your home environment and influences. I guess you must know plasma personally for you to jump in and comment. Inorder to become successful you have to be hungry enough to want it. Thus if everything is given to you then that takes away from your own personal desire to want something successful for yourself. When someone acheives success in their career then what gives anyone the right to dictate. If you know plasma and you are coming in here to start a pick fight, dont bother. I wont entertain you.
Zarm27 12/4/2012 4:25:44 PM Report

Key point is the extra 5 days costing the taxpayers money, people that're ignorant and/or blind to the current financial issue are indeed part of the problem. If the stats they posted based on the average usage of sick days is correct then yeah that's either ethically wrong for employees to be abusing the system, or on average the public sector is hiring people with health issues. The point I'm trying to make, is if people like speed7 focused on the heart of the article then possibly she'd be aware of what people like plasmax are saying. At the same time, there are people I know who also choose to call in sick due to having drank too much the previous night, that's both sectors btw.
Anyways, I think there's been enough people who've shown they really don't care how much money the government has to operate with, and are willing to suck the country dry with no regard for the next fiscal year.
Also, to answer speed7's question, if it was bankable sick days, a teacher would not use them. Otherwise, it comes down to personal character of said individual on how they use their sick days, be it properly or just booking off for whatever reason. The difference is the "taxpayer" footing the bill for another persons hangover.
bulletcards 12/4/2012 4:58:15 PM Report

speed7

I was not coming out to pick a fight. I just fouund a couple of you comments inflamitory and wanted to point out alternate views to widen your thinking. you seem to have the point of view that youth are selfish and unloyal. If that is your particular experience that is fine. my experience is different. To help you understand your experience I just wanted to point out societal reasons why this might be. the youth of our society were given this world they didn't make it. I am certainly not in your under 25 catigory or even in my 20's. My generation and ones before mine have done considerable amounts of damage to the environmant, economy, ethics, morality and society. it is foolish and dangerous to blame youth for following the examples we have taught them. Maybe if our present and past leaders were more concerned about making a thriving and functional society that would continue for generations, instead of making more money and gaining more posessions. Our youth would want to be loyal. But considering what a mess we have made of things I wouldn't blame them for not being loyal.
bulletcards 12/4/2012 5:04:32 PM Report

speed7

also, when confronted on your views or comments you tend to just mudsling and deflect. Lumping me in with plasma, nice touch. I don't know him. And to assume that is ignorant. just because we possibly have the same views or confront you on yours we must be bff's right? come on, I am sure you are more intellectual than that.
speed7 12/4/2012 7:55:49 PM Report

well the mudslingers have already surfaced in this room. Ignorant. ha....no. No in the least.
Ricatoni 12/4/2012 8:41:38 PM Report

PlasmaX 12/4/2012 2:10:50 PM Report

Ricatoni,

So what you are saying is that the government really isn't in deficit - they are just hoarding the money somewhere and giving out fat bonus checks to all the top officials? How old are you?


Here is your answer pal...300 million wasted @ ornge,300 million plus wasted on gas plants,1 billion wasted on e-health, do you want me to keep going????
politicians take 150,000 low end every year plus SICK days and gold plated pensions. So there is your waste pal......not unused sick days ....Oh and by the way were I work management recieves unlimited sick days imagine that the workers have limited days management unlimited??? so before you make rediculous comments you should know what your talking about......It would seem to me that you always have the view that you know everything about everything.However in reality you are probably just spouting off about things you know nothing about......
PlasmaX 12/4/2012 10:15:44 PM Report

Ricatoni:

I do not claim to know everything and I certainly agree with the fact that those things you mentioned we fiascos that should never have taken place. What happened, happened and all we can do is learn from that.

How they relate to this article is what puzzles me ... and if you work for the public sector then obviously this article targets the management where you work. If you work for a private companly then the fact that they want to give their managers unlimited sick days is up to them. The money is coming out of their pockets not the taxpayers.

Everything you have posted on this page really has nothing to do with the point they are trying to get across with this article. You can claim that I don't know what i'm talking about but at least i'm not blindly lashing out at the government and corporations in general like you are. I've seen your posts on other articles and it's always the same theme over and over again. Maybe find another outlet for your obvious anger and resentment.
divine_heart 12/4/2012 10:43:59 PM Report

I work in health care and am in a union. I am fortunate to have a collective agreement that gives us banked sick time. I relied on it for two major surgeries that I needed six weeks of recovery time. I take the odd sick day when I am really sick to rest and get better so not to infect others. To me that is what it is for; not to be abused. I don`t agree with being paid out unused sick time when you retire. I do however feel for those who are unable to take sick time to get better.
I am not 100% happy with everything but.am grateful for the benefit package and other contract language my union representatives worked hard to negoiate for us. And all those who do not belong to a union should think about how they can get one started in their workplace. Look into it with an open mind.
Thank you.
PlasmaX 12/4/2012 10:55:59 PM Report

Divine_Heart:

Good post! I just want to say that although I don't agree with banked sick time I think that a viable alternative could be found. For instance if public sector employees had the option to receive full pay for recovery time due to surgery or other serious medical conditions that would be great. This would prevent people from abusing the system as a letter from your doctor would be required to receive the benefits. People needing extended time off could still use EI or a medical leave.
libster 12/5/2012 12:08:56 AM Report

I think it all depends on exposure to bacteria and viruses. When someone is in a work environment that consists of adults they are less likely to get sick than someone in contact with children. Adults will cover their mouths, wash their hands etc. Children aren't aware of universal precautions. That is why if one child comes to school with a cold, chances are most of the class including the teacher will contract it. It also holds true in the health care field. Nurses and doctors are exposed to far more viruses than the average person. Maybe this was the premise for the teachers union negotiating 20 sick days per year for teachers.
bulletcards 12/5/2012 12:15:17 AM Report

Plasma,

Banked sick time can work. I work for an agency that allows you to bank payed sick time up to a certain maximum. Upon leaving the agency, you can not receive any extra pay outs for unused sick time. You can be asked to provide a dr's note any time you use a sick day. I do not use all that many of my sick days, but I will be glad to have that bank if I ever need extended time off due to illness. Also, many agencies now use an attendance management polocy to curb any abuses and limit absentism altogether.
AndyCap 12/5/2012 2:21:38 AM Report

Taxpayers stuck with the bill. Public sector employees are tax payers as well. Im a public sector employee. I get 3 paid sick days(i like to have this bonus). Some public sector jobs are good and some are not just like in the private. When things are said and done it will probably be 8 years if not more I will not have a raise. Im sure there are some cushy public jobs out there but lately its like being Frankenstein's monster surrounded by angry pitchfork carrying towns people. The more you take away from the public jobs the less competent folks there will be working at them. The public sector is pigeon held to what wages they can offer. Sometimes its things like paid sick days that makes it worth not jumping ship to a higher paying private company. Frankly these stats dont provide a clear picture other than that its popular to hate the government and anyone associated with it.
speed7 12/5/2012 7:55:25 AM Report

Frankly this whole article on sootoday is in isself is inflammatory! We all pay taxes. Some of us pay way more than others. And who was the first crooner to come in and comment about Bill 115??? The one who cant awnser a simple question about how many sick days teachers actually take. Talk about an unhealthy fixated focus on teachers.

Funny that the article dOES NOT mention anything about the large taxes collected from teachers and where that money goes???
I had 5 paid sick days and then it was taken away down to zero. Then when there was a threat to join a union the owner of the company flew over here like a bullet.... had a meeting with us to explain if we joined the union our waqes would be cut down to min wage as they didnt have to pay us a cent more. Also didnt have to provide those free health benefits that we currently had. Nice!
The beauty of anarchy! Capitalists do not care about their workers period. We dont live in a third world country but our government sure loves make the higher taxpayers in this country look like mud. Ask your local MP or MPP how many sick days they currently enjoy? This whole article only feeds the jealousy further. It shows just how bad our country is and where its headed. Go find out in other countries what they have like switzerland or germany and you'd be amazed in comparison to canada.
PlasmaX 12/5/2012 8:43:13 AM Report

Anycap: What the article is saying is that they are trying to level the playing field so that public sector employees all have a fair amount of sick days when compared to the private sector. So if they set a standard at 10 sick days (private sector average is 9.1) you (since you only have 3) would actually be gaining sick days. It's not about stripping everyone of their sick time - it's about providing a number that makes sense, especially in current economic times.

Speed7:

Honestly is there any hope for you? We moved beyond teachers quite some time ago and you just keep re-hashing it. You have to be the biggest HYPROCRITE posting on Sootdoday. On top of re-hashing the teacher piece all the time now you are saying: "Funny that the article dOES NOT mention anything about the large taxes collected from teachers and where that money goes???"

Do you think that teachers are the only people that pay taxes?

You demonize anyone who doesn't support your opinions, you are extremely paranoid - it seems like you see a conspiracy around every corner, and the hypocrisy of what you post is utterly ridiculous.
PlasmaX 12/5/2012 8:45:29 AM Report

BulletCards: If they can make it work then I am all for it. The only reasons I am against the current setup is because of the abuse and the rather large retirement payouts.
PlasmaX 12/5/2012 8:50:15 AM Report

Speed7:

Yet another thing to correct you on. Did you realize that our MP and MPP are public sector jobs? Did you realize that this article talks about lowering the amount of sick days for those that have too many? Did you realize that while you have been arguing against every point i've made (against limiting the sick days) you are at the same time complaining that certain public sector jobs have too many?

Words cannot describe ...

speed7 12/5/2012 12:01:11 PM Report

No you are the one who initiated an arguement reguarding bill 115 . You denying that now? Look at the firet comment. You just posted to 3 people in one posting tearing them down one by one. Turnning them down in fact your ego is too big to fit in this room. In fact you always comment on teacher topics. Teachers come in to set you straight but you continue with your masquarade. Please dont deny that. Its making you look ridiculous and sheds your true colours in here. You dont have any points with me at all! All your points are'nt worth a nickle. You are not right and you dont have any real perspective on teacher topics. Its also not your buisness to make it your buisness to talk about them in such a condescending manner. With all your fact finding and disproving you cant even awnser one simple question I asked you? Pathetic.
speed7 12/5/2012 12:20:21 PM Report

And see now you twisting my words ... I said teachers pay a higher portion of taxes I did not say the only people who pay taxes. Knock it off now. How immature you are! Speaking to you and to a 3 year old child isnt any different. Grow some axons an nerons in that head while you give it a shake and act like a grown up for once. What a child you are. Is this your first day commenting or somehting? Everything seems to be brand new with you again. Why still you do not have an awnswser to my question yet? Your the fact finder go get it ! Use your skills if your so smart. Utterly hopeless.
PlasmaX 12/5/2012 12:42:13 PM Report

Speed7: You spell every third word incorrectly and your sentences are often not coherrent - who is the 3 year old?

Teachers pay a higher portion of taxes than everyone else now? Taxes are calculated based on how much money you make, not based on what career you are in.

I answered your question about 3 times already you are just to dense to digest my posts. As for the question about my age - you have absolutely no business to ask me that question - how about you tell me how much money you make in a year? Would you feel comfortable answering that?

I'm not twisting anything - you complained that MPs and MPPs have too many sick days yet earlier on you were disagreeing that sick days should be taken away from public sector jobs. Can you say flip-flop?

I honestly feel like i'm debating with an angry child with a learning disability. Other posters come on here and try to reason with you and you accuse them of being my accomplices! lol - it's so pathetic it's comical This article is done for me - if I were you I'd stop posting before you embarass yourself any further.
speed7 12/5/2012 1:15:09 PM Report

And I feel like I am talking to a tape recorder over and over again. Your fixations are unbeleivable. Thanks for calling me dense. Those angry words will come back to you sometime pal.
little lulu 12/5/2012 3:21:50 PM Report

I realize that this is not about teachers specifically but the timing sure couldn't be better sootoday! I am posting a link to an article giving another point of view....leaving aside the issue of sick days and pay freezes that many people seem to think we are protesting...perhaps plasma, you will give it a read...an open-minded read....and I know that this is off topic so I do not need to be reminded thank you
little lulu 12/5/2012 3:22:16 PM Report

ooopps forgot the link~

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1295924--walkom-why-it-makes-sense-for-ontario-teachers-to-go-on-strike
speed7 12/5/2012 6:45:31 PM Report

Fact! "Hudak says he would freeze public-sector wages by fiat rather than fiddle around with the niceties of bargaining. He has also taken aim at public-sector pensions."

LuLu open mind??? how would he feel if his pension was taken away? You'd see him jump like a lion at that one! Demonized my A**!!! His comments dont merit anything. Just a totalarian.... like a bad of hot air going nowhere!
speed7 12/5/2012 6:47:39 PM Report

sorry meant to say Totalitarian.
PlasmaX 12/5/2012 8:21:01 PM Report

Little Lulu - i haven't read your article yet and if you would actually read some of my posts you would see that I do have an open mind. Also I see many people commenting on here that have similar views to mine. These people to me seem intelligent, open-minded, calm and appear to have some common sense.

Now you have Speed7 on the other hand who like another poster said is constantly "mudslinging and deflecting".

I'm tired of your bs Speed7 - a bag of hot air that is going nowhere? I will guarantee you 100% that your job pales in comparison to my career. Hopefully the last 2 call centers left in town don't shut down - otherwise you will be out of a job with little hope of ever finding another one.

Good Day :)
speed7 12/5/2012 9:27:32 PM Report

I have more intelligence in my little pinky finger than you ever have. Your attitude and your BS sucks it! Nice of you to play sympathetic with LuLu. That brings to mind how false you really are. Oh and How smart you are? NOT! Nice Touch but wont work unfortunately. Keep hauling that BS you love to spread around with your so called open mind. Pompous totaltarian!!!
little lulu 12/5/2012 11:57:57 PM Report

Plasma, I have read your comments...each and every one of them and your replies such as "if you would actually read my posts" are why people like speed get up in arms with you...you are condescending and come across as some kind of know it all authority on everything.....I have asked you before and I will ask you again...Despite your opinions that 20 sick days is too many, do you agree that a government should be able to go above labour laws, human rights codes and those oh so terrible unions? As I've said before, regardless of your views, what the government is doing is wrong...there are MANY ways to go about cutting costs....unfortunately teachers are just an easy target because the public already disagrees with our benefits, time off and pay....it's sad that so many are so readily buying into the media's and government's attempts to vilify us even more...
speed7 12/6/2012 12:53:39 AM Report

Thanks lu lu. I am glad someone actualy understood what I have been trying to say to plasma all along . First of all I am educated. I have a diploma in biochemistry and other courses under my belt in other fields. I might type fast and screw up spelling but hey ? First of all my right hand has some minor problems and my motor skills are lacking and also who really spells perfect on here? Not many. I never presumed to the the best writer or speller but one thing for sure is I am detailed and very resourcefull and any employer I have ever worked for has exemplified that and apppreciated my work. Call centers by the way are totally out for me. No more. I enjoy working in a science field now. As I have told you before, I dont teach myself I have a relative who teaches JK . She combats cold flu's and viruses every day. Kids dont wash their hands and they sneeze cough in your face without bieng careful not to do so only because they dont know any better. They like personal contact such as a hug just to say its ok you'll be fine now once they are able to feel secure again after getting upset with other kids picking on them and such. So Yeah teachers sick days are needed. The fact that its 10 days 20 days should'nt be your concern plasma. Its been reduced already. What is the point? Everytime you come accross as a know it all , condescending and rude. So no I do not have a degree in English or anything but I am far from unintelligent. Also glad that LU LU understood why it is so fustrating to even be in the same room with you sometimes. You make your rounds through people and tear them up one by one. I say, if you want to be appreciated on this site you need to learn a thing or two about manners. Seems like you create an environment where commenters feel ashamed to arugue with you since you insult their intelligence mostly. That scares people off mostly and they dont show much respect back from my observations. I do think you are a very resourcefull individual. I'll give you that, but hey please ease up a little! I am not your enemy I am actually a very likeable person. Perhaps you dont really care? Maybe you do but its totally up to you? Realize we are not all on the same wavelength some of us have varying degrees of opinion. We all have different perspectives. That is the one thing that makes this site enjoyable is talking to people who can offer perspectives on a variety of topics.
PlasmaX 12/6/2012 7:20:12 AM Report

You ask me to have an open mind but what i've noticed is that certain people that argue against taking away the 20 sick days and other reasonable cutbacks will not give one inch in their arguements, will not concede one single point, will actually even refuse to commment on valid points made by a lot of the posters. You can hide behind the union bs all you want but when the debate gets heated all the other stuff comes out anyway.

Why don't you read through Speed7's posts? - if you can actually tell me that even 25% of what she says isn't off topic, mudslinging, deflection then you need to give yourself a shake.

Read my post about the banked sick time to Bulletcards. I said I would be all for having banked sick time if controls were in place so that they weren't abused or used as a retirement payout. Now go through posters such as and speed7 on other articles and see if even ONCE they have agreed to anything from the opposing arguments. Now she's coming on trying to say that people have varying opinions about different topics - meanwhile earlier in this article other posters were blasting her because she demonizes anyone who's opinion differs than hers. This is a joke - The trouble with hypocrites is that they often never realize they are one until it's too late.


I could give 2 craps what you think about me because I certainly don't think very highly of either of you.
PlasmaX 12/6/2012 7:29:50 AM Report

Lulu: BTW i have answered your question and explained my opinion in previous articles about Bill 115 and teachers and i'm pretty sure you were posting in them. So no i'm not going to answer it again - feel free at any time to go back and search through previous articles.
speed7 12/6/2012 11:21:09 AM Report

Trying to reason with you doesnt even work? What a huge ego I dont think anyone can penetrate your ego plasma.
Thats fine just what I expected from you more or your sarcasm and constant condescending attitude.
Its obvious you have'nt grown up one bit!
How immature rude and dominating you are?
You cant even take it when other commenters agree with me? Admit it they agree with me. Its probably killing you to hear those words right now. Lu Lu just told you she agreed with me about your attititude. Still you act like an ass. Fine. Go spread that negaivity all over the place. Very sad individual you are. Like I said before you reap what you sow. It will come back to you. Not only are you condescending but you have a Zero personality in here. Knowone is supporting you? Do you notice? Go spew your venom its what you do best! Very Pathetic.
little lulu 12/6/2012 11:29:20 AM Report

Plasma, you care enough about us to respond each and every time we post.....so you want someone to agree with a valid point ok here goes...I agree that banked days should not be paid out at retirement....which most boards and unions also seem to agree with because it doesn't happen in many boards anymore, and certainly doesn't happen here....now, you describe union negotiations as bs....that pretty much sums up your feelings on days being cut and the government superseding unions...I'm sorry, but I will NEVER agree with that!
speed7 12/6/2012 11:38:12 AM Report

Lu Lu if you agree with me please email sootoday and let them know this. Very important.

PlasmaX 12/6/2012 11:48:10 AM Report

Now you are going to try and gang up on me and report me? LOL and you were complaining about bullying in another article.

Before you do so you should go through the article and read the numerous insults and accusations you have made yourself and wonder if the pot is calling the kettle black.
speed7 12/6/2012 11:58:53 AM Report

More mudslinging and deflection plasma?
speed7 12/6/2012 12:01:01 PM Report

I encourage anyone who has been hurt and felt degraded by plasmas comments please email sootoday and let them know. Thank you for your cooperation
PlasmaX 12/6/2012 12:09:25 PM Report

I already reported you an hour ago ...
speed7 12/6/2012 12:15:24 PM Report

i've been reporting you for months!!!!!
PlasmaX 12/6/2012 12:24:30 PM Report

And I'm still here so what does that tell u? Are you now going to lash out at Sootoday?
speed7 12/6/2012 12:38:35 PM Report

first you called me dense now an idiot! I dont appreciate that. Learn manners untill then I am not going to speak another word with you that is a promise. Please stop bothering me. Your mere presence is disturbing. When others in here decide to email soo today about you I guess then things might penetrate. You should be ashamed of yourself.
speed7 12/6/2012 6:46:14 PM Report

You just told lu lu that you dont like her and couldnt give 2 craps about her?
Question is who do you really like? Inorder to be liked you have to be likeable? That's one more report sootoday is getting. Is that how you talk to people on a day to day basis? What foul mouth.
speed7 12/6/2012 9:44:35 PM Report

plasma here is a post previously by lu ly to you. i hope you do not mind me reposting this lu lu. Its just to prove a point.


little lulu 11/14/2012 10:59:03 PM Report

Thank you girlfriend...but you can bet zarm and his buddy plasma will not read and digest anything that you have written...they are fixated on the pay raise and will never get it out of their thick skulls that it's about far more...and zarm...as a kindergarten teacher, I take offense to your comment...please, please put your money where your mouth is and go spend some time in a k classroom....there is actually an extensive curriculum to be followed...and when was the last time that you went to a daycare with one or two adults to 20 plus kids?

and then you posted back to lu lu asking her go go back and reread again. Like she cant read or something? This is intmidation on your part. In fact the only people you dont attack are the ones who agree with you like zarm or black helix. i GUESS ANARCHY WORKS WELL WHEN IT SUITS YOU! Otherwise they all cant read and have'nt looked at your referneces properly.

LuLu disproved you on one of her own refernces / article on the sault star and still you did'nt awknowledge anything. It seems that you have developed an art at getting other posters strengthen your points and discrediting the ones who actually disprove you. Why cant you take it when some one is right? You have a problem that needs addressing. I dont think perhaps want to hear that but that is to be expected with some one like you.


Bristol1 12/7/2012 5:22:01 PM Report

Plasmax you make some very good points and seem level headed. Speed7 you sound like a child and haven't been able to refute any of plasmas arguments. The fact that you are trying to censor him because you were offended causes you to look even less credible than you already are.
speed7 12/7/2012 11:08:20 PM Report

Bristol, no offense what would you say if someone called you dense and and idiot? Said they didnt care 2 craps about you? True I dont often bring up facts but I can speak from experience having a relative who teaches. All his facts are BS nothing else. Feeding into the drama as he seems to enjoy. Plasmas first words to me when I posted something to him were of how stupid I was and then added since I amused him with my unintelligent post he will entertain me with an anwser. What the hell would you think if someone said that to you?
He brings up good points with what? Articles? Unfortunately the attitude is his points are the ONLY points in here..... with a strong hint of pestimistic condescending and rude. Other people disprove him with articles and he ignores it completely. He does'nt know everything bristol come on now ? Domination and totalitarianism usually is what you can expect from him. If you do not agree then his condescending attutide amplifies. I do beleive this is a physchological issue he definately needs to address. There is no room for rude and condescending posters on sootoday dont say anything you wouldnt say to your grandma in here as Mrs Martin addressed once on a topic his comments were booted off along with others. It's funny you jump in now to defend him now after all this time has expired on the posting of this article. I am skeptical now. No one jumped in before accept for Lu Lu and who is a teacher who brought up a very good point backed up with an article. He often boasts about his own pension bieng great like teachers so arguing against teacher pensions doesnt bother him much. How did he respond to LU LU? .....he just tossed her aside like nobody's buisness. He has done that when other teachers respond to him on other articles too. They told him to stop spreading BS. Still he does the same thing over and over. Dont care 2 craps about you in his own words. I say he needs a lesson on manners if he wants to keep staying here. He has none basically.
Bristol1 12/7/2012 11:48:34 PM Report

speed7 if you read the posts from the beginning, i would argue that plasma was being pretty reasonable. it was towards the last postings that both of you started taking shots at eachother. i happen to agree that federal employees should not get more sick days than the rest of us, teachers included. there is no reason why tax payers should have to pay for that many sick days. when i get sick and take a day off work it doesn't cost the tax payer anything and i don't get paid sick days. i can also guarantee you that i pay more in taxes than the top paid teachers. i also have a relative that is a teacher and she must be an outlier because she is the only teacher i've ever met that doesn't complain about her job. lets face it, there is a surplus of teachers in this
country and that wouldn't be the case if teachers had it so bad. there are literally thousands of unemployed teachers in ontario, which makes the employed teachers replaceable. in any other line of work, if this was the case the pay and benefits would reflect the demand, and i'm sorry to say that there isn't a huge demand for new teachers right now. public employees are no more important than their private counterparts and their salaries/benefits should reflect that.
speed7 12/8/2012 1:44:32 AM Report

bristol, wow, and thank you. How refreshing at least some one that I actually feel comfortable speaking with. Plasma is very carefull these days choosing his words. He often has BAD MOUTHED teachers in the past and he will deny it. He spread BS that a teacher starting off makes over 45 grand a year and teachers came in to correct him but no, will not ooncede to anyone. He started right off at the beginning mentioning bill 115 and teachers so he is to blame for starting his drama not me. Sorry I wont stand up for his drama sessions anymore. He likes to stir up BS. I personally think he enjoys it. He says I like to demonize him well he sure as hell enjoys making people feel stupid. He's been quite the Ass for a long time with this matter. It doesnt matter how many sick days they get its done and its been reduced. Why must he dredge things up over an over again. He asked me if I agree with the 20 sick days. I explained why sick days were important but he only insults back. Personally he only he enjoys asking me questions to make me look silly with statements like you better quit while your still behind. YOu know waht? THAT IS VERBAL AND MENTAL ABUSE. Just cause he is bieng very discreet about it picking and bieng careful with his words, doesnt mean he isnt doing it. Truth is plasma isnt a teacher and he does not have teaching experience. He doesnt know or care to understand or hear anyone elses opinion. One word sums him up TOTALITARIAN. If you think he is bieng reasonable. you havent seen him post obviously in the past. I have and others too and let me tell you he's pretty much shuts out anyone who disagrees with him. Plasma your not shutting me out. Your not intimidating me either anymoe. Not gonna happen pal!
I dont care how many times he tries to make me look stupid. He isnt the authority on this topic and nver was in the fist place. Now bristol if it seems as though I am taking shots it only because plasma has created that environment in the first place. I wont stand up for it! He can take his attitude somewhere else cause it sucks!
speed7 12/11/2012 12:01:56 PM Report

There is a surplus of teachers? Sure Why we are having all these superschools then? You wont see anyone going into the teaching field much because the job is too demanding even more so now.
Sorry but our government created that circumstance. With all their budget cut campaign to make them look bad and they are an easy target always! Why because you the public believe all of it. Truth is no one wants to be a teacher today and they know why they wont too. The job is hard and is becoming almost immpossible to do. And then our government imposed a super riduculous curriculum to make them look like they care about your child. It's all smoke and mirrors and youve been fed into the smoke screen. Try it for one day. Guaranteed your opinion will change.
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