The new St. Mary's College. So far, so good
Wednesday, October 31, 2012 by: Darren Taylor
The public gathered at St. Paul Catholic School Tuesday night to voice their opinions on the new St. Mary’s College set to be built at Pine Street and Second Line East.
As reported earlier by SooToday.com, construction of the new school, designed by Franco Pastore of Sault engineering and architecture firm EPOH, is scheduled to begin in summer 2013 in time for a fall 2015 opening for Huron Superior Catholic District School Board students.
HSCDSB staff, students, parents and the general public were at last night’s meeting, held on Dablon Street, a stone’s throw from where the new St. Mary’s will be, to look at architectural drawings depicting the new school’s appearance.
“I think it looks wonderful,” said Huron Superior Board carpenter John Calcafuoco. “I like the design, I like the way its going to be built on the hill on Second Line East, it’s going to look really nice for people to look at as they’re driving up the hill. I really like the layout inside, and all the glass.”
“It’ll be another nice building for Sault Ste. Marie, to go along with the Essar Centre, the Sault College addition, and our new Holy Cross School,” Calcafuoco added.
Retired Algoma Steel management official Garry DeCourcy, who attended the original St. Mary’s College in the 1950s, said he was chiefly concerned if the new building would be energy efficient, but seemed generally satisfied with the architectural plans.
“Overall, its very nice,” DeCourcy felt.
On an interesting side note, DeCourcy told us: “My one concern today is that schools are too big. When I went to St. Mary’s years ago, sports was a real key part of my education. I really think they should have two teams in everything, two hockey teams, two basketball teams, football and soccer.”
“Sports brings people along in the educational system," he continued. "Because of larger numbers of students in high school now, if there were two teams in everything, that would give kids that are just on the edge of making one team to make the other team. It would be a lot better for everybody.”
Resident Robert Rattle said he was concerned about the effect the new St. Mary’s would have on the volume of traffic in the area.
“At this particular site, the road that comes out to Old Garden River Road is flowing traffic to the community," he said. "There will be people using it for access to the school and that of course is of benefit for them, but I’m concerned it will also be used as an opportunity for cut-through traffic by others in the mornings and afternoons.”
“Currently the models seem to indicate a 10 percent increase in traffic on Old Garden River Road itself, that would add to traffic along Terrance Avenue from Old Garden River Road, at times of day when there are elementary school children on a road with a blind corner, with no sidewalk,” Rattle told us. “I think there’s a definite potential for a problem here, yes.”
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lodgekeepers 10/31/2012 9:49:41 PM ReportGreat looking model. Beautiful location.
Good luck with all of the planning and construction. In regard to two teams of everything, I think one of the main reasons for consolidation of St. Basil's and St. Mary's is to save $$. I think two football teams, two hockey teams, etc. would not achieve that end. A larger school just means they would compete at the AA, AAA, or even AAAA level at OFSAA alongside all of the other larger schools in Ontario.
I agree, it certainly means there is less opportunity for kids to play sports when these schools merge but I guess that is the new reality.
P.S. some schools in the metro areas of southern Ontario reach populations of 1500 - 2000 or higher. SSM schools in the 1100-1200 range are not really that large by Ontario standards.
cheers
Frank O.
ttb 10/31/2012 11:30:03 PM Reportdo you have time to elaborate on that comment? Mostly because it is an incoherent rambling pile of dumdum. It makes no sense. please clear this up for me
lodgekeepers 11/1/2012 7:04:35 AM ReportHigh schools get slotted into A, AA, AAA, or AAAA by the Ontario Federation of Secondary Schools Athletic Association. The small schools play the small schools, med play med, and larger play larger in regional and provincial championships.
The one concern voiced in the article by a SSM resident, and former St. Mary's student/athlete, was that this larger school would mean less opportunity for kids to play sports as two schools are now one. That is true.
The concerned citizen thought it might be an option to have two teams of everything.
When the new public high school brought together Sir James Dunn and Bawating - two teams in everything were not created.
I do not think that two teams in all sport is an option in light of the way sport is administered by OFSAA.
Hope this clears up any confusion.
cheers
Frank O'Connor
cabbott 11/1/2012 7:55:12 AM ReportJust what we needed........more traffic dumped into the Second Line/Great Northern Road corridor.
cityhallguy 11/1/2012 7:59:07 AM Reportttb...you are nothing but a complete loser!!! Why can't you ask for clarification in a...let me think...normal fashion instead of being an ass???
Lodgekeepers has a ton more patience than I do...that's for sure!!!
ttb 11/1/2012 8:26:21 AM ReportI prefer my method thank you. I'm having a great time cracking myself up. My abs have never been better from all the laughing. Please lighten up, life is short, then you die!
ttb 11/1/2012 8:29:25 AM ReportPlus. How did you know that I am a loser
You must have a sixth sense or something
I'm impressed
PlasmaX 11/1/2012 8:30:59 AM ReportI have to agree with TTB ... what lodgekeepers posted was just a pile of garbage. If the new St. Mary's, the new Superior Heights and Korah only had 1 sports team for each sport what kind of league would that be?
Also it seems to me that there would be well over 2000 students at this new "super" school, not 1100. The whole theme in Canada and the US today is about opening up more opportunities for our students to succeed, not to take it away from them. So who's reality are you in bub?
PlasmaX 11/1/2012 8:43:01 AM ReportCityHallGuy: I seem to remember debating with you a while back about the new Pine Street Extension. You said that the new Pine St. Extension was created to help alleviate traffic in the area - I have a strong feeling now that if the new St. Mary's wasn't being built there we wouldn't have seen that extension for a while. I still stand be my previous comments that the extension is "too little, too late" - especially now that a mega-school is being built there.
I have to laugh when I see mention of the cities traffic impact studies! When they put the new hospital in there was a study done and the results said that the impact would be low in the area - what a bunch of B.S. - People are already using Terrance as a cut-through - I walk down that street every other day and it is constant traffic with no sidewalk in what used to be a quiet residential neighborhood. When the new school comes it will only be worse. I am still an advocate of St. Mary's being built in that location but our city needs to step up and improve road infrastructure in the area.
Wheels17 11/1/2012 9:50:47 AM ReportWell the new St. Mary's school looks very nice on paper, I am concerned how the real thing will be done because if if not done properly by the construction crews, there could be some major problems that could become very expensive.
PlasmaX 11/1/2012 9:54:42 AM ReportHey Wheels: You should change your name to "Mr. Obvious"
Stevie-E 11/1/2012 10:04:26 AM ReportI understand what @lodgekeepers said completely. What is with you people? Rude on top of being ignorant. That's a large portion of the SooToday community, I think.
Hey, to those of you who didn't understand...there's room in the new school so you can get re-educated!
Stevie-E 11/1/2012 10:07:12 AM ReportHow much traffic will "really" be going to the school Plasma? They get out of high-school at 17 now, meaning many of them will not be bringing a car to school! There will only be the teachers, whis is a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of traffic already up there.
Re-read your comments before posting!
PlasmaX 11/1/2012 10:21:39 AM ReportSteve-E: Really you think the only traffic will be a few teachers? How about students, students getting dropped off and picked up, teachers, support staff, buses, and other miscellaneous stuff. You would really be so naive as to think that a mega school would not create much traffic? I would like you to explain how my comments were ignorant and how lodgekeepers are so wise? It may be that OFSAA administers in such a way that it would be difficult to have 2 sports team for a single school - but the times are changing and so can the administration.
PlasmaX 11/1/2012 10:41:11 AM ReportI think what the planners and engineers need to realize is that it's not just the school and the hospital that will affect traffic in the area, it's the large number of businesses opening up and moving to that area. We hear of these traffic studies being done for the new hospital and the new school but the big picture is that with each passing year new hotels, restaurants and other commercial buildings are being built on Great Northern/Second Line. I remember this city trying to delay/stop the opening of big box stores in Sault Ste. Marie a few years back. They even made Walmart pay for the right turning lane that was put in on Second Line. These big box stores have seeded growth for that area, brought in other successful businesses and helped to allow this city to grow once again. Yet the attitude of the city was "let's bite off our nose to spite our face"
frnlak 11/1/2012 11:16:04 AM ReportPerhaps the people with the brains should look at upgrading Black Dirt Road(who changed the name to Black Road anyway) from Second Line to Landslide Road, Landslide Road to Sixth Line and Sixth Line to highway 17 n as these roads have become a major bypass around the traffic conjestion on Great Northern. Traffic has also increased greatly on 3rd, 4th and 5th lines as well for obvious reasons.
Stevie-E 11/1/2012 11:30:51 AM ReportI have yet to see major traffic differences for the Northern Heights school on 2nd line, so I am making an educated guess that impact will be no less different for St. Mary's.
Yes, infrastructure will need to be changed and the extension of Pine and 3rd line is a good start...but as far as traffic impact, I don't feel that there will be much difference based on what I have observed on 2nd line.
Wheels17 11/1/2012 12:02:19 PM ReportWell sorry, PlasmaX. I guess I am not an expert like you. I would hate to be a know it all.
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