The new St. Mary's - oh what a school it will be! (4 photos)
Thursday, October 18, 2012 by: Darren Taylor
Huron Superior Catholic District School Board trustees were clearly thrilled to get a look at what the new St. Mary’s College will look like at their meeting Wednesday evening.
Franco Pastore, principal of engineering and architecture firm EPOH of Sault Ste. Marie, and Brantford-based architect Paul Sapounzi of the architectural firm The Ventin Group gave an update on the design, filled with drawings of the new school that left everyone in attendance in awe.
The new three-story St. Mary’s College will be situated at the Second Line and Pine Street area.
“Our firm has done 50 high schools in 40 years, but this is very unique,” Sapounzi said. “We’re re-inventing St. Mary’s College. We’re bringing together elements of the old St. Mary’s, combining its old-style stone look with new, modern elements, like new modern windows bringing in lots of light.”
Both architects said the central, most unique feature will be a common area, designed to make the new structure one of the best gathering places in the community.
“Inside the common area, you’ll feel like you’re outside, lots of bright light,” Sapounzi said. “We’re hoping to have real trees and plants in that area along with comfortable seating.”
Both architects and HSCDSB Director of Education John Stadnyk emphasized the new school will be a community centre, and more than just a new school.
Pastore told the media at Wednesday evening’s meeting “it’s the nature of the public space, that common area within the building, that will make it a large gathering area that is surrounded by all the major areas of the school, whether it’s the chapel, gymnasium, and the theatre, which is a very unique piece of the project that wasn’t originally in the program. It’s a theatre replacement project that now will be supported by that common area, so that’s basically what makes the school conceptually a community centre.”
“The entire community will be able to use that school and that space,” Pastore said.
As for the exterior, one unique feature pointed out by the designers is that there will be slopes that will become natural bleachers, looking out on to the football field.
The province approved $43 million for the new school in 2011.
As for the timeline, Pastore said “we’re right on target with the overall design schedule, design development is now over and we’re moving into a five-month process of construction documents that will be done by the end of April, and put it out to market shortly thereafter. We have to wait for Ministry approval of course, but there are no delays in the process.”
The tender process for the site preparation work will come out in December, he added.
Tenders for construction will come out in May 2013, construction should start in early to mid-June 2013.
“It’ll be 26-months, a two year construction process, and occupancy will happen by September 2015,” Pastore stated.
Pastore said the total project budget currently stands at 43.5 million dollars.
Applications for an additional $4 million in EDCs (Educational Development Credits) to assist with the project have been made to the province, funding which he says is “imminent.”
“The EDCs are needed because when a Ministry funds a project they have a funding formula that assumes the site is construction-ready,” said Pastore. “What an EDC is… when you have a site like this one, full of trees, no utilities nearby that need to be extended to the site, they qualify for additional funding because its outside the base funding for a school construction project, so this project has about 4 million in EDCs associated to it.”
Director of Education John Stadnyk said there will also be a four million dollar fundraising project to help with the new school.
“The money hasn’t been raised yet,” he said. “We’re working on developing a strategic plan. We’ve been consulting with other groups that have undertaken major fundraising, like the Sault Area Hospital Foundation, so we’re mobilizing our team and our strategy, and we’ll begin sometime in 2013.”
Stadnyk said it’s a long term plan because the school opens in 2015.
“We’re hoping to mobilize our Catholic community in our area and this investment is being put into a school that will last us for many years. Stadnyk said. “This is an ambitious $4 million fundraising plan for the theatre, and the sports field, the track, we want to do it right.”
As for the other HSCDSB high schools in Sault Ste. Marie - the St. Basil Secondary School site will be made into a larger elementary school, consolidating other schools in the city’s centre and the old St. Mary’s College will become surplus property.
Stadnyk said the Board will have to determine how the old St. Mary’s will be disposed, or perhaps have alternative uses.
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Right Winger 10/18/2012 10:13:59 AM ReportNice building. What a gigantic waste of taxpayer dollars!
PlasmaX 10/18/2012 10:26:00 AM ReportYes it does look nice ... I don't think it's a waste of tax money. Both St Mary's and St. Basil's are aging buildings. St Basil's doesn't even have a proper football field to practice on. It's also good that the community will be able to take advantage of the new facility. What i'm worried about is that our city won't keep up with road/traffic infrastructure in the area of Great Northern and Second Line. This area is already a big problem - putting a new school in that accommodates thousands of students is going to greatly increase traffic.
Right Winger 10/18/2012 10:30:49 AM ReportNo problem with building a new school. Its the millions of dollars being wasted on making it "fancy" Is that monseterous glassed vestibule that runs thru the middle of the school necessary?
PlasmaX 10/18/2012 10:35:18 AM ReportI agree with your point there ... with our climate in Northern Ontario you think that someone might have raised concerns about the massive heating/cooling costs from season to season.
Prrrrrrr 10/18/2012 10:35:48 AM ReportSecond Line and Pine? Did they extend Pine St? Who knew? Nice school... maybe Dalton did something right!
tdg 10/18/2012 10:46:43 AM ReportAs a parent, it concerns me that they are thinking of the school as a community space as opposed to just a school. I am unsure how comfortable I am with having random people in the school during regular school hours, as they are suggesting in this article. And, I'm sure if you ask most employees of the new SAH, Korah Branch of the Library, Sault College, etc, that the all glassed buildings are hot, hot, hot in the summer and hard to warm in the winter. Just seems that they are too focused on looking fancy....
speed7 10/18/2012 10:48:14 AM ReportSt Basils is fairly new plasma. I remember it used to be St Marys and they purchased the old lakeway which is the current St Marys college for ONE Dollar, got that ONE Dollar. St Basils was perfectly fine in the first place. But they did use all that property where the football field used to be to update the school. The current structure is old and falling apart. I am guessing that was around 1990ès sometime that they acaquired the current sttucture. Thatès is how long it took to upgrade St Marys with a new school. It is a beautiful design though. Location though its a bit too far East but I am sure east enders will appreciate that alot.
MR40 10/18/2012 10:49:43 AM Reportthey should spend some of those millions on cleaning up the drugs that are in the schools now.
Prrrrrrr 10/18/2012 10:49:45 AM ReportWithout prejudice....
Combining education and the real world...WOW what a concept!
Being a Cultural Ctr. will probably allow for more grants and a few tax breaks...
Will there be statues? If there are there should be one from every "Culture" Define LOOPHOLE!
PlasmaX 10/18/2012 11:14:06 AM ReportSpeed7: do you ever say anything intelligent? I went to St. Basil's - it is half new - half old. They built the school update horizontally and if you had a class at one end of the school and your next class at the other you were often late because of the corridor congestion and the distance. They didn't add any shops so if you took a shop class you had to be bused down to St. Mary's every day. I seriously doubt that Lakeway was purchased for $1 - show me some facts to back that up. The location for the new school is not too far east, it is very central. It's a 10 minute drive from Goulais Avenue, a 10 minute drive from Dacey Rd, and a 10 minute drive from the downtown area.
KMF61MCF 10/18/2012 11:19:20 AM ReportI agree with the building being all glass its like a fish bowl. The only air conditioned areas are "the offices" the new Public high school even the new Public Elementary School you would think when they built them they would have put air conditioning in the class rooms since they say " they care about the children" Even added white boards instead of the old style "CHALK" boards. Yes your right they did buy the old Lakeway for 1 dollar. School Boards can purchase school for 1 dollar the "Public" you or i could not lol.
Right Winger 10/18/2012 11:19:53 AM ReportPlasmax
Often property is sold for $1.00. Simply put it is ownership transferred.
As to the corridors, the same amount of corridor length would exist if you built upwards, but now you need stairs to connect them.
speed7 10/18/2012 11:25:06 AM ReportWhy the concern for a community space? White Pines is and for all the algoma fall festival events as well as others. I think this is a great idea. The breezeway at mount st joseph college was hot too but so what? In the winter it was a welcome passage and it warmes you up on cold winter days and brings in in alot of vitamin D. The rest of the school dark hallways with dark colour shemes. How boring. As for the korah branch with the windows. They can maybe buy window blinds? SAH is beautiful. I dont see the cause for concern. St Mary's has been waiting for a new structure for a long time and I beleive , Mr Pastore was a former student so I can see whey he is so proud of this project. Alot of fine graduates of many many talents have come from that school. Unfortunately most have moved away and brought their skills and talents elsewhere. We need to advance as a city . More jobs to keep our local talent here. I'm all for moving , not falling behind.
Right Winger 10/18/2012 11:27:46 AM Reportspeed how about next Aprl you send 2 times what you owe in taxes to Ottawa to help pay for these advances.
flyhawk25 10/18/2012 11:28:45 AM ReportPlasma...it was part of the Bill 10 trade-off to extend funding to separate schools.
I lived through it and trust me - it did change hands for a dollar and it was a mess.
In their haste to open it as a Catholic co-ed school they poured millions - millions -into upgrading it and now it is a lovely place.
What other school has two gyms, shops and a theatre?
It is centrally located but the board in its wisdom wants apparently 'new' to compete with Superior Heights.
And if you think that is a bad idea have a look at the new Holy Cross facility.
Then decide if how we spend our tax dollars is being done wisely.
PlasmaX 10/18/2012 11:30:37 AM ReportYes same overall amount of corridors but a much more efficient design to build upward - stairways become "shortcuts" The corridors at St. Basil's are too narrow for the amount of students. I remember having to shoulder my way through the crowd at every bell. Also their was only one massively long corridor so you didn't really have a choice.
Stevie-E 10/18/2012 11:32:48 AM ReportNOT A WASTE!
I wish I would have had an opportunity to be in a nice school! I miss my SMC but it was old 20 years ago so this will be a refreshing addition to the city.
I hate when people look at the up front costs and not look at it long term.
Complainers, you need to get a life.
This will be a 75-100 year building and will hopefully keep students engaged in their studies and out of trouble by making it bright and open to facilitate brain activity! This is needed especially in the S.A.D winter months, which we get way more up here.
+1 SMC
speed7 10/18/2012 11:35:42 AM ReportPlasma I would really appreciate if you allow me to comment without resorting to saying I am unintelligent. I know the school was updated and if you read my comments properly, I know that they built horizontally. I said they built an update where the football field used to be. Read before you attack! I was stating the updates were fairly new. That's all! I never stepped in the place to see what it looked like inside so pardon my ingnorance in that reguard. Quit bieng an ass. If you dont like what I have to say you have the option of not commenting back to me. If you cant do it nicely then dont bother at all.
PlasmaX 10/18/2012 11:37:57 AM Reportflyhawk25: agreed that that was a big mess and that a new school should have been built years ago before pouring money into the St. Basil upgrades. But what's done is done and we still have the need for the new school - St. Basil's has portables because of the overcrowding. In the long run i'm sure it's wiser to stop investing in the old schools and to build something more modern that will last for years to come.
Binder 10/18/2012 11:41:28 AM ReportOK people it's time to go visit other cities to see what a modern High School can look like. This design looks more like a hospital with ugly red bricks.I am serious.you are being cheated out of a beautiful building that you can all be proud of.
speed7 10/18/2012 11:43:30 AM ReportRight winger, in case you have'nt noticed were all paying taxes. We payed dearly for the essar center didnt we? And technically it is not really meant to be a concert hall. Its a hockey arena. Noisy, loud , cold. Noise bounding off concrete walls. Not the best for entertainment.
flyhawk25 10/18/2012 11:43:52 AM ReportAnd let's not forget that now they want 'the Catholic community' to raise an additional $4M on top of the original cost to add what they currently have on Wellington Street.
Good luck but don't touch my wallet.
Right Winger 10/18/2012 11:45:55 AM ReportI don't think any building the government builds should be beyond basic needs. Sort of like real people who live within their budget. I would love to have a pool at my house with a retractable roof, however, that is not in my budget, and honestly I can't justify borrowing for it, since it isn't necessary.
Dead End Kid 10/18/2012 11:49:22 AM ReportThe fact that still in this day and age, Religious organizations do not have to pay a dime in government taxes is nothing less then criminal. The catholic church with all billions of dollars of wealth should have "footed" the entire expense to build this school but no, lets suck in the Canadian taxpayers to pay for the school. The ironic part of this is I'm not the least bit religious but I'm being forced into playing their dirty little game. Sometimes life really sucks!
speed7 10/18/2012 11:51:41 AM ReportPerhaps some of you would rather prop your kids up in a chair outside in the middle of winter to save on taxes? Too funny.
flyhawk25 10/18/2012 12:00:04 PM Report$4M is not a tax.
It is a donation. On top of the original cost in taxes.
speed7 10/18/2012 12:05:38 PM ReportRight Winger. Basic needs for you might mean a tin roof over a plywood structure This isnt world war 2 anymore. Post depression era. We live in a highly tecbnologically advanced society. Change is eminent sorry if you think this is hurting your wallet. I dont see it that way. We've paid taxes far too many times for structures with updates that in the end were regretable. Now its time to step it up and get with the times If your going to spend the money do right the first time. I dont care about the colour of the bricks outside? So what? That has no bearing on whats inside.
Right Winger 10/18/2012 12:27:35 PM Reportspeed7 sorry you are angry at me for something someone else wrote. I mentioned the huge glass vestibule. If you take that out, that is far less expensive and just as user friendly.
Right Winger 10/18/2012 12:38:45 PM ReportAs to the bricks, I don't care what colour they are so long as they meet code and are the lowest priced available.
Wicket 10/18/2012 1:02:25 PM ReportTruly, I do not get why buildings that are 30-50 years old are too old and obsolete....guess we should just tear down all buildings, including houses, that are over 30-50 yrs old and have no history left what-so-ever! Oh, I guess if that mentality hit Southern Ontario, all those beautiful government buildings and old houses (ie., London, Toronto, Ottawa) should be demolished too.
PlasmaX 10/18/2012 1:07:37 PM ReportWicket: Do you think that St Basil's is a historic building that should be preserved because of it's beauty and heritage?
PlasmaX 10/18/2012 1:15:27 PM ReportSpeed7:
Most of your comments are unintelligent, simple as that. If you want an apology from me you will be waiting a long time. You come across as very condescending to other posters - right winger said that the glass vestibule was overboard and you turn it into that he's saying it should be a tin roof with some plywood? Your tone is always argumentative with little intelligence behind your comments. The writing is on the wall.
cashcab 10/18/2012 1:15:53 PM ReportLooks like it will be a nice place to learn but...Why does the catholic school board get 30% of all moneys spent on education, when only 23% of tax payers want there money to go there? 77% of the tax payers check the box marked public when they get there tax bill. Just saying.
Snobank 10/18/2012 1:20:22 PM ReportIt's a beautiful looking building, especially as compared to the ugly monstrosity that Superior Heights presents as you drive alone 2nd line. Too bad it's the general public tax dollar going to finance a particular religious sect's educational view.
flare2005 10/18/2012 1:45:55 PM ReportThe first thing that came to mind when i saw this was WOW!! The second thing was ..Well maybe now the kids will actually want to go to school. I'm sure the kids will love it. I'm excited for them. Yes now they won't have to travel back n forth from mary's to basils for some classes. Maybe this will change some kids..make them feel like they belong somewhere and want to be there.
rjpt 10/18/2012 1:46:24 PM ReportHey Dead End Kid...I agree with some comments and disagree with some other comments...but most of all I detest your bigotry. You need to study some history. The Americas North, Central and South were explored, overrun and inhabited by faith based spiritually oriented peoples whose own bigotry rained untold atrocities on the equally spiritually based aboriginals. Canada was primarily taken by the British and the French although the is strong evidence that the Vikings and the Portuguese preceded them to the rich fishing grounds of the Atlantic seaboard. The British and the French even more-so came with their faith and clergy who built our original education, health care and welfare systems which were funded by their European benefactors who were partly made up of the wealthy and the Royalty. Primarily in the 20th century did the political system begin to fund (with tax money) and take over these systems and in my opinion turn them into the mess they are today. Faith based groups can be as bigoted and sinful as any human organization BUT don't for a minute ignore what they contributed to making Canada what it is today. Spirituality with all its foibles brought great blessings upon our Country.
PunkBob 10/18/2012 2:10:43 PM ReportIt's just a little bit much. Everything built here over the past few years has looked horrid. Trying to make it look too pretty. No need for the huge entrance with glass it will end up looking horrible. Just stick with simple designs. Superior heights should be a warning to anyone trying to get too fancy. That is a horrible looking building. Looks like 3 people designed different parts without collaborating. You can make a building look nice without resorting to glass all over the place. C'mon guys lets get some architects in here that know what they are doing, and design a functional building.
frauleinbroomhilda 10/18/2012 2:21:45 PM ReportWhat a beautiful school. Hopefully it will be totally complete before the teachers, students and support staff enter. The Catholic Board will do it right and take their time especially after witnessing what the public board did. Personally I think the school should be facing the other way so that the students aren't distracted by all the noise of traffic and transports driving by and maybe built further in. All one colour? A blind and deaf architect must have designed that school under the direction of the old Director of Education. What an eye sore!!! Needs a womans touch!
Point Blank 10/18/2012 2:21:53 PM ReportJust what we need...another "super-sized" school! Yet, we say that we're concerned about bullying and the likes! I pity the meek and introverted kids that get overlooked and pushed aside. Not to mention the mediocre athletes that want to (but likely won't get a chance to) play on any of the school's sports teams.
As far as the location of the school goes...that's another farce!!! Who's the genius that decided building a "super" school at the brow of a hill, on a truck route and by-pass, was a safe idea??? It looks like an accident waiting to happen! And, to add insult to stupidity...rumour has it that they paid a small fortune (of taxpayers money)for this property! Wow! Maybe they could have had someone do a traffic study and/or hire some real estate/development consultants to advise them on price and safety issues and so forth. But, I guess when it's not your money and you are not held accountable, you can just barrel on and spend like there's an endless pit of money. Besides, some of these decision makers at the helm are former teachers who apparently know everything.
Well, all I know is...we better get ready for some huge tax increases and pray for the safety and well being of the many, many students that will be attending this new mega school.
wrightie 10/18/2012 2:28:00 PM ReportThere are alot of comments on sootoday of people wanting jobs, good paying jobs and this school is going to bring lots over the next two years! Just like how it has with the hospital, the other schools, the hotel.....etc, and when this building is done guess what some other building will be build also bringing many jobs.
SipKing 10/18/2012 2:30:27 PM ReportWhat a waste of tax payers money, and yes my child attends a Catholic School, I just do not understand the Governments reasoning.How many students are actually Catholic or should I say practicing catholic's. My son's class last year only 4 children out of 16 completed their sacrament. We attend church on a regular basis and see only a handful of young people. At HSCDSB you can register your child regardless if they have been baptized Catholic, The bottom line is if I want my child to learn about God I take him to church, they go to school to get educated FIRST not to take the morning off to go to Mass. I hope the Ontario Superior Court give Reva Landau her day in court, she is asking the courts to stop the Ontario Government from Funding Catholic Schools, If you are going to fund schools you fund them all.
SipKing 10/18/2012 2:36:17 PM ReportPlasmaX get your story straight. If St Basils is so old why on Earth is the HSCDSB still going to use it for Elementary students, its not closing, hummm I guess its not that old after all, as for the older part, this was used by Notre Dame Grand Lac note St Basils for tha past upteen years. I am not against a new school but when you put $43 which will certainly turn into $50 million dollars to build a school it should be shared by all,
flyhawk25 10/18/2012 2:39:49 PM ReportIt has been my experience that separate secondary schools are too often designed by well meaning but elementary-centric staff.
The only SO on the board with secondary experience is the director.Fine capable guy - but one voice.
We know that 70% of the jobs these kids will find after graduation don't even exist yet. I hope the building reflects that reality.
The days of 'chalk and talk' are over.
And yeah - I do know of what I speak. I taught in both and was qualified to teach every level from JK to the end of secondary.
Let's hope the physical building and the programs are flexible for a long time.
speed7 10/18/2012 2:48:54 PM Reportplasma I dont want any apology from you again READ MY POST. You keep insinuating all kinds of things in my posts. I've seen you in action before and your nothing short of an aggrevator in here. In fact I knew you'd start something in here today soon as you entered the comments, just like perviously. and I was right. Need I remind you of previous posts and rude, racist, ignorant remarks towards teachers? There were alot of harsh words you spoke. I dont need any confirmation from you. Pretty pompous of you to think so. Go ahead keep posting. Everyone knows you by now and ignores you.
ehbcd 10/18/2012 2:55:41 PM ReportSecond Line and Pine Street, right on the Trans Canada Highway, good spot for a school, like there wont already be enough traffic there.
KMF61MCF 10/18/2012 2:59:51 PM ReportMaybe our next story will be "Manager get kickbacks from Companies they rewarded a contract to" and had a conflict of interest with or maybe sits on there Board of Committee probably even after it got investigated left the company with their full pension lol and Not have to pay any of the money they stole back. Omg stay tuned to as SAULT STE MARIE turns soap opera
speed7 10/18/2012 3:07:35 PM ReportRight Winger I wasnt angry with you. I find you to be one of the more enjoyable commenters on here. At the very least you dont resort to childish game playing. That I find noteable.
This was what you said:
"Right Winger 10/18/2012 11:45:55 AM
I don't think any building the government builds should be beyond basic needs. Sort of like real people who live within their budget. I would love to have a pool at my house with a retractable roof, however, that is not in my budget, and honestly I can't justify borrowing for it, since it isn't necessary.
Basic needs to me meant a school with nothing special at all just like we already have. What would be the point of that? Not angry in the least bit.
No problem.
PlasmaX 10/18/2012 3:12:06 PM ReportRacist remarks about teachers? I don't think so. You call me an aggrevator yet you clearly make up lies - I argued that teacher's shouldn't be able to strike, yes, but I never made one remark that was even remotely racist nor would I ever. Feel free to bring up the articles I commented on and show these racist remarks!
PlasmaX 10/18/2012 3:19:57 PM ReportSipKing: My facts are pretty straight - I went to the school and more than half of the "old" section is used by St Basil's. Also although it is ill-suited accommodating students for a modern highschool it would i'm sure be suitable for an elementary school.
As for your comment about being shared by all - what exactly do you mean? The article states that it would be usable by the public:
“The entire community will be able to use that school and that space,” Pastore said.
I'm not the one needing to get his facts straight
bus 10/18/2012 3:39:26 PM Reportwell, seeing as everyone else has nothing good to say, i might as well add this: the arcitects renderings dont show goal posts on the field.
Lets all make a big deal about this too.
some of the low life on here has nothing better to do than sit at their computers all day and bash anything and everything that happens in this city. your all a big bunch of frank manzos. you want everything done, your way, at no cost. get over yourselves and be happy that this investment is being placed in our community.
fact is, the money is there to build it, we do need a new school, so stop your complaining and just be happy that we are going to have hundreds of construction jobs and a new state of the art school and community gathering centre.
Right Winger 10/18/2012 3:50:11 PM Reportbus,
My statement is not only for this school or this city. Our province and our country are in a defecit. We therefore have to borrow money to build this school. We shouldn't borrow to build anything more than is necessary. Sure its nice to have nice looking buildings all over the place. But if you are personally running a deficit you will not borrow to build a house with all the fancy add ons and go deeper and deeper into debt with no hope of paying it off
speed7 10/18/2012 3:51:48 PM Reportplasma I've read them all already. Especially the ones where you coninually called me stupid. I saved all of those. Your smarter, then go look them up then. One thing for sure, I am very meticulous. I dont think people forget your comments they simply ignore you more and more every day you come back.
geterdun 10/18/2012 4:44:00 PM ReportA multi million dollar catholic school for a city that is declining in population and kids. I just dont understand it. Also I have to agree with most posters on here you couldnt have picked a worse place to put it.Like what are you dummies thinking??? Apparently this is a go, so we are now going to get stuck with this huge ugly building on a major hwy?????????? ever try turning left coming out of straithclare on a soccer night or baseball night??? this is going to be an absolute nightmare for parents and school buses not to mention trans canada traffic come 3:00 oclock.....Oh well the smartest of the smartest thought this all out right......LOL sometimes I wonder if all these newly educated people who make these decisions have lost all their common sense????????eventually maybe we can use it for retired elderly people as that is all that is growing in this city....This is absolutely with out a doubt a total waste of tax payers money being used to patronize a few catholic believers....
What is so wrong with having one public school system for all???? why do religious groups or other special interest groups some how think they deserve more than others?? Only in Canada would we separate people based on their religious believes...........Our once great country is on a spiral of separation based totally on a few peoples religious agenda.....The mentality in our city,province and country is only those who pray to our god will get a new school and public tax dollars for funding..Its truly a sad time in Canada..:( I hope the challenge in court wins and they are forced to make all schools the same, with education being the primary theme not some rediculous religious believes being forced on people just because that is what some brain washed people believe......Money and religion are the enemies of man kind, we will kill and destroy each other simply to have both.....GOD help us all.... whatever god you might believe in????LMAO!!!!!!!!
speed7 10/18/2012 5:21:03 PM ReportPlasma, Here you go:
PlasmaX 9/13/2012 9:14:21 AM Report
All you teachers make me laugh ... especially NewsJunkie here. I love how you talk about how you've earned your sick days and bla bla bla. Contrary to what you think, sick days are for when you are legitimately sick!! Just because some people get sick less than other doesn't mean that you should be able to bank that time and amass a year's worth of it. Then some people say well if I don't get to bank my sick time then i'm just gonna take every sick day I can. Really? This just goes to show how lazy, self-centered, and greedy SOME people are in society today. Go to work, do you job and quit complaining about how hard you have it. You are privileged to live in this country and have the opportunities you have.
here is one where you called another commenter unintelligent:
PlasmaX 9/12/2012 3:15:43 PM
DannyC: LOL - not everyone works an 9 to 5 job! You comment about other people not being busy enough at work yet you are posting here as well. If you don't like what you see and you can't come up with any intelligent arguments then refrain from posting again.
You've said worse to me and always on time just when I comment you chime in.
You call teachers lazy greedy and they are non derserving of their sick days. Another commenter said he suspected you had a sore eye for teachers becuase you probably were one at one time.
One more:
PlasmaX 9/12/2012 1:53:11 PM Report
If teachers were getting paid overtime to take part in extra-curricular activities you would see a lot of teachers who could care less about the activities but signing up for them just to make some extra cash. I believe it should be strictly voluntary - at least that way the passionate and dedicated people are going to come forward and coach sports and lead activities with kids.
We all tried to explain to you the that extra curricular activites were all volunatary and unpaid. But still you insulted them by calling them unpassionate because they arent getting paid.
Heres one that I found interesting:
Right Winger 9/12/2012 2:03:58 PM Report
About half of my coaches in high school were not teachers.
As to striking, government employees should not have the right to strike. They are not like the auto worker or even carpenters where both sides have something to lose in a work stoppage. Only the government and the public lose. Why? Because at the end of a work stoppage the government worker is not losing his/her job to a competitor, while a politician will. So it is only in "managements" best interest to settle to ensure the public's needs continue to be met, or they stand a chance to be voted out.
an you replied:
PlasmaX 9/12/2012 2:12:15 PM Report
Well said Right Winger! Teachers wield far too much power over the government and they know it.
Also to people that say that teachers spend time marking and lesson planning. That is part of their job and i'm pretty sure they were aware of it when they signed up. I too go home at night and still have to respond to trouble calls and do extra work - I don't get paid overtime but that was all in the job description when i was hired. Of course it would be nice but i'm certainly not going to threaten to strike or take other measures just because I feel I can get away with it.
Does it gratify you when you make comments about people like that? Now I am begging to wonder if you and right winger are in the same train of thought? But come to think of it? No. Except right winger is more polite than you.
Working Man 10/18/2012 7:46:04 PM ReportIt appears to be a really nice school. It sounds like a good means of spending our money.
$43million 'seems' to be a lot of money, but you have to consider the new lane on 2nd line, the continuation of pine st to connect to 2nd line, street lights, the construction of the school, landscaping, football field, parking lot, gymnasiums, tech shops, moving, etc... The large glass windows will probably save on electricity at least some in the fall and spring... LOL... But, what is more expensive, glass or concrete blocks?? Glass can be broken but, there is definitely going to be glass alarm detectors that will take care of that.
It's not a complete 'waste of money'. The new road will eliminate quite a percentage of the people going down that hill. Engineers have thought this stuff through more than you or even me. They have to.
The average person who wants more welfare will complain about a new school. That 'this $43 million could be used on the welfare'. Well yes it could, or it could be used constructively. This new school is a constructive, positive use of our money. If you're on welfare, you have NO voice in this matter now, do you....
Dead End Kid 10/18/2012 8:16:48 PM ReportRjpt, I have no idea why you went totally into left field with your comments. Why is it that nearly everyone who contributes in society pay their share in taxes but religious organizations don't have to? I'm a bigot because I tell it like it is? For your information, it hasn't just been god fearing people that has made this country great and yes you are correct in saying that we have committed great atrocities throughout the ages and guess what, much of it, as it is today is the result of religion factions at war with one another. Being as defensive as you are calling me a bigot, you are taking this as a personal attack on the Roman Catholic church. I made it very clear that my comments pertain to all religious organizations that don't pay their fair share in our society.
PlasmaX 10/18/2012 9:36:28 PM ReportWhere are the racist comments speed7? That's what i asked ... i see nothing wrong with the comments i made that u just posted.
!@# 10/18/2012 10:31:04 PM ReportRight Winger
Just about had enough of this tax payer money garbage. Take one economics course please! ALL MONEY BELONGS TO THE GOVERNMENT! They are the ones that give you some....not the other way around. To believe in this day and age that money belongs to us and we earn it it ridiculous. Yeah we work and earn some here and there, some more than others...but it is never ours, really. So please ! Tax payer money....they own it and give us a little and do what they need to do. Great school by the way!
speed7 10/18/2012 11:11:15 PM ReportGo back and read your own words.
Working Man 10/19/2012 12:41:00 AM ReportI feel like 500% smarter every day by reading and re-reading the comments posted on sootoday.com.
Thank you guys/girls so much!!! You make me feel so smart and educated and contributed so much to my success!!!!
I thank you all!!!! :)
!@# 10/19/2012 7:54:01 AM Reportyour not...no such thing as 500%!?!?!
PlasmaX 10/19/2012 8:45:26 AM ReportSpeed7:
My own words:"Feel free to bring up the articles I commented on and show these racist remarks"
Not show me some articles where I questioned your intelligence or debated with other posters. Clearly I admit to questioning your intelligence.
Or do you not know what racist means? Maybe this new highschool will have some adult nightclasses so you can brush up on your education
!@# 10/19/2012 11:12:28 AM ReportSpped7
I read my own words...do you understand!! If you don't your like working man...500% smarter??
frnlak 10/19/2012 11:30:39 AM ReportPine Street was extended specifically to accomodate this misplaced school. It is a bus route period. That is why there won't be any houses built on this extension. All paid for by everyones' tax dollars reguardless of religious affiliation. The same goes for the trimming of the by-pass hill and installation of traffic lights at said intersection. So.... now we are going to have traffic lights at the bottom of the hill at Black Dirt Road, half way up the hill at Pine Street and one at Old Garden River Road. It's only a matter of time before the city, in all it's wisdom, plants a traffic light at the Wallmart entrance effectively stopping all traffic from moving.
speed7 10/19/2012 12:13:41 PM Report!@# I wasnt speaking to you or working man. I was speaking to plasma. Do you guys realize how many people he's called stupid on this site? He seems to be doing a wonderful job of getting posters in here to gang up on me. No worries I've got it covered.
PlasmaX 10/19/2012 12:32:48 PM ReportSpeed7:
You have no one to blame but yourself.
PS still waiting to see those racist comments
rjpt 10/19/2012 12:51:20 PM ReportDead End Kid...my point is that you need to get your facts straight before you make these wide encompassing statements. It is not only religious organizations that are exempt from paying some forms of taxes. Charities, non-profit organizations and a lot of co-operatives are exempt from paying some taxes as well. I say some taxes because they all MUST & DO pay sales tax, utility assessments (power, water) and collect income tax, EI, CPP for the government etc. The exemption is based in the fact that they do not exist to make a profit. Unlike you, in my previous comment, I did not mention any specific spiritual or religious group. You specifically mentioned the 'catholic church' not me. All of the above mentioned groups have wealth in what they own; property, buildings, works of art and whatever other stuff they own. I'm saying to you just one thing...get your facts straight before you rant. Comments still need to be factual and some excellent points have been made in the comments on the new school. However, yours was a bigoted rant not based in fact ie truth!
speed7 10/19/2012 1:04:05 PM Report Lets see how many people you've called stupid on this site?
PlasmaX 10/19/2012 1:14:35 PM ReportSpeed7: actually you are the only one... and all i said was the your comments were unintelligent. Quit your whining!!
Also I never called teachers lazy and greedy - i have some good friends who are teachers and some of them have the same views as I do!! One retired teacher that posted about the article you've been quoting me on was agreeing with me!! The point I was trying to get across was that certain groups can abuse the power that they have when they have it!! Also never said that teacher's are unpassionate and not dedicated. What I did say was that when it comes to sports and extra-curriculars it should be unpaid and REMAIN unpaid because that would ensure that the best possible people step forward to lead such activities.
Now if you can't keep up and are continually going to twist everything people say on here don't post anymore!!
PlasmaX 10/19/2012 1:21:31 PM ReportSpeed7:
You would probably argue that the sky isn't blue.
That is the impression I get from you.
Dead End Kid 10/19/2012 2:05:10 PM ReportWhatever rjpt, I know that I'm not a bigot and I still believe you missed my point in saying that religious organizations in North America have been exempt from paying their fair share of taxes in North America. They are considered by the government to be charitable organizations and if they play by the rules they don't have to pay taxes on things such as property like all the rest of us do. You are living in a bubble if you don't think that that there are many religious organizations created throughout the years just so they could take advantage of these lenient government laws. You only have to look for example, at the evangelical organizations in the U.S. They like the Catholic church are multi billion dollar corporations. If you still insist my facts are incorrect then just google tax exemptions for religious organizations in North America. Again, my point all along is to have a fair playing field for everyone in society. If that makes me a bigot, so be it!
rjpt 10/19/2012 2:56:50 PM ReportDead End Kid..I never denied religious organizations don't pay taxes. The bigotry is that you are only picking on religious organizations when in reality other not for profits are exempt as well and because they qualify for the same reasons; the save the children funds, the Terry Fox fund, the muscular dystrophy fund, the arthritis fund, Boy Scouts of Canada, Big Brother and Sister Organizations, diabetes foundation, March of Dimes, Canadian National Institute for the Blind, Doctors Without Borders, the Ronald MacDonald Houses, the Shriners, the Kinsmen, the Elks and on and on. The legislation is not just for religious groups it applies to all who fit the not for profit envelope. Add not for profits, and co-operatives to your google search and see what I mean. Why should "religious groups" be the only ones not exempt????? Is there potential for abuse of the legislation...of coarse there is but charitable work is still good work.
speed7 10/20/2012 12:08:03 AM ReportI see various teachers hate words above. Let me repeat it again. Teachers make you laugh, their lazy self centred and greedy. Do your job and quit compaining about how hard you have it.
Do you need glasses or are you refusing to read your own words?
The teachers who posted back to your replies didnt have the same sentiment as you do. In fact they corrected your spreading all kinds of false truths over and over again and you refused to listen. One teacher posted and told you that you sure know how to spread the S@#$T are the words she used to you! She said your facts were all distorted basically. But you chose to center in solely on me. Why? Also calling people like me and others unintelligent doesnt mean you havent said anything that was at all nice or proper. Unintelligent means simply unintelligent. Just cause you used another word other than stupid doesnt make it justifyable or any less cruel. It still means what it means. The word changes but the meaning doesnt. Still you called me unintelligent = Stupid same thing.
I want you to Stop bullying me.
Dead End Kid 10/20/2012 1:31:02 AM ReportRjpt, I'm calling a truce Ha,Ha... It was fun sparring with you and you are correct in that religious organizations are not alone in getting a break in society. I was merely pointing to religion because it pertained to this particular topic. Actually, I sometimes get carried away with my comments because I am all about fairness and parody for all.
Have a good evening.
PlasmaX 10/22/2012 7:46:07 AM ReportFirst of all I was clearly referring to the teachers that were posting on the article when i said "you teachers make me laugh". Secondly that is not even remotely close to a "hateful" statement, nor was it intended to be. Third, the other statements I made were simply either strong arguments or me defending my point of view with a strong voice as many, many other people on here do. Fourth - it's funny that you say you want me to leave you alone? Well why did you direct a comment at me in the first place? (your first comment on this article) Also I find it absoultely HILARIOUS that you just tried to use the word "Bully". With all they hype in the news on all over the internet about bullying I bet you just couldn't wait to cry bully. Tell you what - there's a little link at the top of each post that says "Report" - it is to be used in case you feel like someone's comments are inappropriate or offensive, or I guess if someone is bullying someone else. You feel free to hit that "Report" link at anytime.
