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Reader warns: Facebook buyer beware

Wednesday, October 03, 2012   by: SooToday.com Staff

SooToday.com has received the following letter from a loyal reader who wishes to remain anonymous:

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Dear SooToday.com:

A lot of us are Facebook addicts.

And a lot of us are aware of the 24-Hour Auctions Groups for Sault Ste. Marie on Facebook.

It's a group ( there are a few of them) that people can place their items for sale with a starting bid and you have 24 hours to bid on them.

I'm just writing this story to warn others of the dangers of these sites.

There have also been a few people who have sold items and when the person who won the item goes to pick it up they like to make small talk, take a look around their house while picking up the items and ask questions.

Then just by chance a few days later have had their homes broken into, garages broken into.

We don't know who we are dealing with when we are on sites like that.

People can make up fake names when selling and buying.

These sites are a great idea for people who are looking to get rid of their old stuff that's taken up clutter and for buyers to get great deals on some stuff.

But we also have to be aware of the dangers of these sites.

We don't know if items we are buying are stolen, putting us at risk of being in possession of stolen goods.I know it is hard to monitor everything anyone is selling not only on these auction groups but for any website really, eBay, kijiji. etc.

So please be very careful when on these sites and who you have in your home.

Maybe meet them outside.

Maybe meet them somewhere else (but I think that's against their group rules) :( ..... )

So be safe everyone.

It's a sad state we live in where we cant even trust a harmless Facebook group..

Thanks for reading.

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Hamguy 10/3/2012 10:34:56 AM Report

That is very good advice and thanks for making people aware of this scam.
BlackHelix 10/3/2012 10:44:01 AM Report

What are you talking about? What scam? This is about breaking and entering and has nothing to do with facebook or an auction group. Maybe Sootoday should have posted the same about their own "classified" section.

"Reader warns others about sootoday classified scamming"
Snowdon 10/3/2012 10:54:19 AM Report

Yeah how is using a site like that any different than Sootoday's own classifieds section, or a site like kijiji? How is there anymore risk of anything? You don't know who you are getting when anyone sells anything online or in the paper - they could use any name as well.
roxxyroller 10/3/2012 11:00:51 AM Report

Or what about Sootoday Classifieds? The Sault Star classifieds where people show up to look at items prior to buying, etc? It's no different, but thank you for the publicity to our site just the same! Sault 24 hour Auctions Rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
roxxyroller 10/3/2012 11:05:15 AM Report

And PS: Simply use your head and don't invite them in your house if you don't know them personally ... I meet everyone at my front door where absolutely no one can 'peek' around me. Paranoia will destroy ya!
Chardonnay 10/3/2012 11:09:59 AM Report

I have bought and sold for over 10 years on almost all sights mentioned and have yet to experience anything criminal. Sure the possibility is there as you wrote but highly unlikely.

If knowing someones address leads to being burgled then why list on 411.ca or even phone-books.

Alarmist seem to always want to spoil the fun.
LillyGirl 10/3/2012 11:13:25 AM Report

The writer said this

We don't know if items we are buying are stolen, putting us at risk of being in possession of stolen goods.I know it is hard to monitor everything anyone is selling not only on these auction groups but for any website really, eBay, kijiji. etc.

I dont think scamming is the correct word for it, more like buyer beware maybe? We all have to be careful of who we have in our home of course. I think the writer of this letter was just trying to let others know that sometimes you will run across a person out to steal or whatnot. Does not mean you cant still use these sites, just more less warning people to not let others in their homes, meet them outside sorta thing???
kiera 10/3/2012 11:27:06 AM Report

All the selling sites on facebook are "buyer beware"as any selling media is. These groups have been very successful and the people using them know to be careful and vigilant. These groups are great opportunities to sell your unwanted treasures. I don't think people are selling stolen items as most are household items and children's toys and clothing. I for one use these groups constantly and have not run into any problems at all ..... Another 24 Hour Auction ... One Dollar ($1) Auction and Sault Infant, Toddler and Kids Items 24 Hour Auction .... GREAT GROUPS !!!!!
25miller 10/3/2012 11:29:23 AM Report

Maybe this person is one of the ones that got banned from 1 of these selling sites and this it their way of getting back at them.Hoping no one will join or leave these the group.Stupid letter if you ask me..
~* Us *~ 10/3/2012 11:38:59 AM Report

.....overboard!
25miller 10/3/2012 11:40:33 AM Report

yup
roxxyroller 10/3/2012 11:42:21 AM Report

@dob131 --- You stated the following: "And I think the moderators at Sault 24 hour Auctions should be monitored for fraudulent activity."

Are you frikkin' kidding me right now? Fraudulent activity?? Explain to me how so you figure that? I can almost guarentee that if you gave us your REAL NAME that we would find it on the banned list. Why would you be on the banned list? For not following our simple straight forward rules!
cdncutie 10/3/2012 11:45:48 AM Report

Seriously people??? As with any site online, there is caution to be taken. Common sense and buyer beware for sure. From what I understand the moderators/administrators of the 24 hr auction site mentioned, as well as others are volunteers to keep things running smoothly and cannot be held responsible.
Personally, i've had some good purchases and bad purchases there, on ebay and even garage sales (where i certainly dont know the people either). Even having a yard sale brings strangers into your private property and risk for home invasion/assault etc. Come on people, common sense!!
roxxyroller 10/3/2012 11:47:25 AM Report

And, do you think we are moderating the 24 Hour Auction site cuz we have nothing better to do? We don't get paid for doing what we do, and all of us have college and university education, and/or business owners. It is supposed to be a fun place to be, much like innocent buying/selling at yard sales. How do you feel about garage sales? Are you afraid that if you held one at your house that people may try to scope out your house and case a burglary? I don't get the way some corrupted minds think. Don't like it? Then DON'T be part of our group --- plain and simple!
dob131 10/3/2012 11:50:38 AM Report

Most of the Moderators at Sault 24 Hour auctions are Collectors , Figure it out from there. So far the most honest site to go to is, Anothert 24 hour auction site, The rules there are simple, and the moderators are fair, and they are not in competion with other buyers.
LillyGirl 10/3/2012 11:53:06 AM Report

DOB I'm one of the admins for Another 24 Hour Auction. Are rules yes are simple, but we do follow the same set of rules pretty much. Its all buyer beware. We all have that right in our rules :)
roxxyroller 10/3/2012 11:53:10 AM Report

Go to your 'other' 24 hour auction site then, and if that makes you happy, then stay there! We have enough members so 1 unhappy one is not going to make a difference.
LillyGirl 10/3/2012 11:55:02 AM Report

Our rules , not "are" rules..lol Cant edit spelling mistakes :(
~* Us *~ 10/3/2012 11:56:21 AM Report

Why is this article now "Buyer Beware"? The article is stating that people should be careful when selling items because it could be people "casing" for a break-in. Contradictory!

Buyer AND seller beware, maybe?
25miller 10/3/2012 12:02:22 PM Report

1:I'm just writing this story to warn others of the dangers of these sites.

There have also been a few people who have sold items and when the person who won the item goes to pick it up they like to make small talk, take a look around their house while picking up the items and ask questions.

Then just by chance a few days later have had their homes broken into, garages broken into.
2:We don't know if items we are buying are stolen, putting us at risk of being in possession of stolen goods.
3:So please be very careful when on these sites and who you have in your home.
4:It's a sad state we live in where we can't even trust a harmless Facebook group..
6:Just saying Buyer Beware. Just a matter of time before something Very serious happens ex; a woman gets sexually assaulted, a person gets stolen property, armed robbery. Especially if you meet in a public place, easily get robbed .
OMG...I will never go to a garage sale again nor have one..I am in fear for my life now....Reader warns: Facebook buyer beware is the WRONG wording for this story for it is of one persons opinion.Who ever wrote this letter is a complete joke.
karebear 10/3/2012 12:05:22 PM Report

I think this is someone trying to retaliate for being banned from one OR more of the local auction sites.

I have been selling and buying on the site and have NEVER encountered a "bad deal" or a "break and enter". You have to use common sense. You meet people at the door. You NEVER invite strangers into your home. Helllllooooo!

Buying on eBay, Kijiji, etc you can encounter fraud (as it is shipped to you - then it is too late) Stolen items are on eBay etc.

One thing I don't understand about this letter is that sootoday ALWAYS used to make you enclosed YOUR NAME when posting editorials. Why not in this case?
cityhallguy 10/3/2012 12:07:35 PM Report

roxyroller...just a word of advice. Perhaps you should have someone else be the spokesperson for your site. Someone that could educate, rather than lash out at the comments made by a small group of posters. You have done more damage than damage control for your site! Just sayin'!!!
roxxyroller 10/3/2012 12:09:57 PM Report

Absolutely! Why not indicate they're real names instead of anonymous? Do they have something to hide? Fearing for their lives perhaps?
This is crazy ... an unneeded article. Sootoday, do you not have anything else to post? If Dave Helwig were still around, he'd surely shake his head at this one. I honestly miss him ... Sootoday has definitely gone down and dry since he left. Sad!
roxxyroller 10/3/2012 12:11:36 PM Report

cityhallguy -- Don't like hearing the truth? Because that's all that I've been telling! I am welcome to state my opinions just as you are, so jam it.
JustMe1234567 10/3/2012 12:12:40 PM Report

I think this is good advice from the letter writer, and a fair warning that I would never have thought of. Being chatty and friendly like I am, I could see myself inviting a buyer inside.

I don't think anyone is saying not to use these sites. AT ALL.
Just beware.
And it's great advice to meet them out front of your house.
Why is everyone having a cow over it?
Take the advice, be careful, and move on.

dob131 10/3/2012 12:50:27 PM Report

cityhallguy 10/3/2012 12:07:35 PM Report

roxyroller...just a word of advice. Perhaps you should have someone else be the spokesperson for your site. Someone that could educate, rather than lash out at the comments made by a small group of posters. You have done more damage than damage control for your site! Just sayin'!!!

In Your FACE Roxyroller Take the advice and go watch the people leave your group. Because they should !!
wskygrl1975 10/3/2012 12:56:30 PM Report

Roxxyroller there is more than 1 unhappy person with the 24 hour auction site believe me!! Getting banned for trying to help someone. The "rules" don't even allow one person to help another!! THAT'S rediculous!! And when you have one admin keeping a constant eye on one person without any warning you just get the boot? PLEASE!!! Nice fair group you got there.
wskygrl1975 10/3/2012 1:00:33 PM Report

I have NEVER had any problems with any other group BUT the 24 hour auction group. And no I am NOT the one who wrote the article. lol Also if you Roxxyroller can have an opinion then so can the person who DID write the article!! So why make such a big deal of it?
roxxyroller 10/3/2012 1:04:03 PM Report

Obviously another one on our banned list.
roxxyroller 10/3/2012 1:05:51 PM Report

I am through and had enough of this bs. Bickering over something that is considered nonsense IMHO.

Done, peace out.
TankGirl 10/3/2012 1:10:27 PM Report

Why would anyone invite strangers to their homes? Meet the buyer somewhere public. Problem solved.
wskygrl1975 10/3/2012 1:28:04 PM Report

Again. YOUR opinion!
Peachesmom 10/3/2012 1:30:49 PM Report

I am also one of the Admins for the Sault 24 Hour Auction group and I can honestly say even though I was surprised by the insinuations in the letter itself, I was also offended by a "suggestion" included in a comment that followed the letter.

"And I think the moderators at Sault 24 hour Auctions should be monitored for fraudulent activity." Although it did offend at first, the offense was very short-lived due to the following explanation.

The truth is, yes, there are more than a few people who have been removed from our group for not following the rules.

This removal, of course, is bound to have left a bad taste in their mouths about our group and would definitely explain why someone would want to try and give it a negative image.

Lastly, another truth is that we have not become the largest group of this kind in Sault Ste. Marie by being fraudulent, unfair or demeaning to our members. We are now a group of almost 7700 members, with more requesting to join EVERYDAY. We are honest, fair and PROUD to be part of Sault 24 Hour Auction group! Thank you to all of our members who make us as successful as we are!

Sincerely

~ Jennille from Admin ~
wskygrl1975 10/3/2012 1:37:40 PM Report

Yet again....honest and fair to EVERYONE....opinion!! Opinion is not always truth. I know this is not about me but all I know is that from MY experiences An honest mistake in helping someone out does not seem all that "fair" to me. But then there again my opinion. :)
That group IS a great group but I for one felt very picked on. Maybe not everyone is treated this way but I sure was. Hard to hear I know but the truth none the less. And then to be told I am NEVER welcome back. Like a dagger when I had made my fair share of sales AND purchases AND friend invites to that group!!
missmoniepennie 10/3/2012 1:44:02 PM Report

AS with anything there are cautions that should be adhered to. I have never had an issue with these sites. I have seen some people scamming and by that I use it as a broad term. I have seen people selling things that really shouldn't be sold, I also know of people selling things that they have dumpster dived to get and then sells it as a smoke free pet free home. I have witnessed people buy stuff at garage sales and resell it on these auction or sale sights. I have also seen people on one sight give the sob story they have no money to buy their children clothes and are looking for handouts, to later turn around and sell those clothes elsewhere. It is only reasonable to assume there are some not so genuine people out there. It is also reasonable to assume there are some very honest and genuine buyers and sellers. Don't let a few bad apples spoil the bunch.
Why would we have a buyer come to our house? Well my husband works full time I am selling my young childs clothes and sometimes have 5 or 6 people to come pick stuff up in a day, I can't be out to meet these people as I could be out all day with two small children. Some people prefer to drop stuff off and some prefer to say pick up only. If it is pick up only then just be aware who you let into your home. I don't have people come into my home I have them wait outside the door. This is a good letter in the fact that it warns people of the dangers we face when we invite strangers to our home, be it facebook sale site, or garage sale or ad in a paper for something for sale. I took it as a friendly reminder and I think some people just made it a personal attack or got defensive....
wskygrl1975 10/3/2012 1:49:43 PM Report

They sure did missmoniepennie!! Kudos to you for taking the article the way I think it was meant to be.
dob131 10/3/2012 1:49:55 PM Report

I bet the banned list has the same amount of people that are in your group . LOL I think the moderators of sault 24 hour auctions all have a god complex. Can't be on top in real life so you bully people in your group by banning people for frivolous reasons.
sflcv 10/3/2012 2:09:43 PM Report

When I read the story I took it as a friendly reminder to be careful is all.
But for some reason the admins of the 24 hour auction group got very in your face defensive, made themselves look like children. Thats not how you want to represent your group is it. And just because you have over 7000 members does not mean all 7000 use the group. I bet 80 percent of them were added by friends or the admins added their entire friends lists, people get annoyed with it as they don't know they are part of these groups till they get a million notifications. So numbers really dont mean squat.
Out of all the groups mentioned you are the only ones who took this personal. BTW I want to add Im not a part of the group, Was added by a friend but left due to it being the same stuff over and over that is not selling, its all cluttered, they have all these admins yet none of them clean the site up. They all act like GOD, think they are high and powerful because they admin a FREE group on facebook in which they volunteer their time to. They treat their members like crap, talk down to them, ban them for petty reason. Its really pathetic. If thats how they treat people who are free member's I would hate to be a paying customer of theirs. If some of them are bushiness owners I really hope they dont treat their customers the way they treat their facebook member's. And why do you think that everyone with a negative comment is on your banned list??? Really are you that small minded?
You guys need to get over yourselfs and quit acting like your better then everyone else.
OH and to add
WHEN I WAS A MEMBER BEFORE I LEFT I bought a items off a admin on that site which was broken..
I did not want to msged them to let them know as at the time I was scared if i did i would be banned, Sad that memebers have to tip toe around the site. If a memeber asks a question on the site any anyone BUT a admin answers they get warned or talked down to.
But anyways, my point of this msg was just to say dont take things personal. Take it as it is a friendly reminder :)
missmoniepennie 10/3/2012 2:11:21 PM Report

There are more than just the 24 hour auction site so please don't target them...For the record I have no association with the mods for that site, I do belong to it, I have received a warning in the past but I also do not find them banning people just to get a kick out of it. Please don't use this article or venue as a means to attack someone or group that you have personal issues with.
sflcv 10/3/2012 2:12:15 PM Report

sorry for some of the spelling as im new to using my Ipad.
sflcv 10/3/2012 2:16:19 PM Report

Missmonniepennys:
My response was not some post because i have issues with them, I was never banned nor even warned, infact I dont have any issues with them. Everyone is allowed to speak their minds, no? Only reason i was talking to them is they are the only admins from any of the groups speaking, and they are not being very nice. They make it look like the article was attacking their group only. If you read you will see they said auction GROUPS and mentioned ebay, kijiji. They took it personal, attacked people on this site who were expressing their own opinions, so why cant we tell it how it is?
cdncutie 10/3/2012 2:20:28 PM Report

Just a quick note, people are removed from the sites because the OTHER Members have asked to have them removed.

Once again, it is buyer and seller beware, NO MATTER WHERE YOU GO!
sflcv 10/3/2012 2:23:55 PM Report

Thats not really fair to be removed just because another member asked them too.

And yes it is BUYER BEWARE, goes for anywhere yo buy something.
~* Us *~ 10/3/2012 2:49:47 PM Report

I take offense the all of this negativity against the auction site because I am an admin and I think I treat members more than fairly. Before I was an admin I was a member and I treat people the way I would want to be treated if the tables were turned.

The story telling and trash talk is very juvenile and I would think, that as adults, we would all taste our words before we spit them out.

In any case, I believe the article was well written but the title is misleading. It's buyers beware on any selling site, but the sellers also have to take caution when inviting people over to their homes for pick up. I just think the title is a bit one-sided.

~ That is all.
sflcv 10/3/2012 2:58:37 PM Report

US you are right. Maybe you are one of the few admins on the sites that do try to treat everyone fairly. I should not of said all I guess. And you call mine and other posts childish, well look above at the comments by your fellow admin/buddy, Her words were just as childish.
everyone is going to have their opinions. And, unlike most I will admit when i was wrong, and maybe i should of worded ny post better. I did not come on here to try to bash anyone, but after seeing what the other admin wrote I could not help but comment.
Im sure even you as a admin , know that some people where treated unfairly in that group. I have seen people get lashed out at for answering a question on there. Its like the admins think they are the only ones on that site who know the answers, others know as well and have a right to help out.
annandjohn1 10/3/2012 3:31:23 PM Report

@roxyroller It is the attitude of some of the admin's such as yourself that gives your group a bad name. Trust me not a lot of people on your site have a lot of respect for certain admins, we can't even simply help out a person out without getting talked down to or given a warning. I am a member of the group, I have bought and sold items on the site and feel it is a wonderful idea. I am not on the banned list, I am simply stating my opinion. It is very small minded for you to assume because people are voicing their opinion that they are automatically on the banned list. You are an admin on a FREE group, you are not God!
sflcv 10/3/2012 3:37:57 PM Report

That you anna/john, that is what I was trying to say as everyone else. They have their opinions, but when we voice ours its attacking them. Very small minded folks for sure. The owner of the group should remove all admins ( with the exception of 2) and find new ones who wont make the group look bad. Ones who dont treat member's like dirt. Those who do not take this to their heads.Maybe this is all they have?? But its no reason to treat others like crap.
missmoniepennie 10/3/2012 4:01:21 PM Report

sflcv Im sorry my last post I should have clarified that it was directed at no one in particular. Yes it followed your post but I was not trying to point you out or direct it at you. Yes the admins to that site have come on here and gotten defensive probably caused a bit more issue than need be, but some people have attacked them as well. I just don't want to see this well intentioned letter that I thought was written solely for the purpose of reminding people to be cautious, we sometimes get complacent with facebook etc and forget that there are not so nice people around. Be it facebook or anywhere else, just that facebook seems to be the "new" rage. My apologies if you felt it was an attack on you and you are absolutely correct when you say everyone has a right to their opinion.
sflcv 10/3/2012 4:08:24 PM Report

It's ok. And yes this letter was meant to me nice and remind people to be careful. It was nt about the admins, although they did make it all about them. That itself makes you wonder.
Im glad this letter was written and it will probably save a lot of people a lot of headaches. :)
roxxyroller 10/3/2012 4:34:20 PM Report

Would you like to know how many people that I have banned in my time on there? (Since July)
3 bloody people, so don't tell me that I act like God
sflcv 10/3/2012 4:38:29 PM Report

Its ok roller. You banned 3 people in 2 month, but there are 7 admins on there. So thats not adding the other ones banned. And its not just about banning people. Its abotu how people are treated and talked to.But anyways like I said before, this letter is to warn people of the dangers of buying/selling thins online to strangers, not about the admins of the groups and what they do and do not do :)
You brought all the negative comments upon yourself. you took this letter as a personal attack against the admins. I dont see why??
But lets get over this BS and arguing and let the letter be what it is and move on.
annandjohn1 10/3/2012 4:40:02 PM Report

you don't have to ban people to "act like god" you just need to have that attitude you have on here.
dob131 10/3/2012 4:43:02 PM Report

That site shouldn't be banning anyone. Maby give warnings but do not ban. I don't think it is that hard to have a seller relist the items. BIG DEAL IF A BUYER DIDN'T PICK UP A $5.00 ITEM MAYBE THAT BUYER DIDN'T HAVE TIME THAT WEEK AND THE SELLER KEPT HARRASSING THEM AND GOT TOLD OFF. Maybe the admin should ask questions first and not just automatically ban someone. I am so glad these issues are coming out to the public.
dob131 10/3/2012 4:45:13 PM Report

Why don't the Admins just take everyone off the banned list as a show of good faith .
cityhallguy 10/3/2012 4:47:10 PM Report

Oh roxyroller!!! I'd be surprised if you had a paycheck come morning!!! LOL
Peace Out yourself!!!
wskygrl1975 10/3/2012 4:47:41 PM Report

cdncutie you are absolutely right sometimes that is exactly the case!! Some people are removed from the sites because some OTHER Members have asked to have them removed. And then the admins purposely target the people who they are trying to have removed! Sad really. Oh and we should taste our words before we spit them out? That is such a facebook thing to say!! Just saw that one today as a post on a friends wall!! Bahahaha
sflcv 10/3/2012 4:49:53 PM Report

I agree not everyone should be banned, Sometimes things happen that is out of anyones hands and they cant pick up a item so they get banned? I can see banning those who are selling stolen stuff and ripping people off, but banning a member for not picking up items is a bit outrageous. Also I think they only ban some for not picking up and not others. I see people bidding winning and then the item is reposted, yet they are still members of the group. So its a pick and choose thing, and if they like the person or not. Not a good way to run a site.
sflcv 10/3/2012 4:52:29 PM Report

CityhallGuy, funny thing is, THEY GET NO paycheques..lol They do this for free. So this is just the kind of person(s) they are i guess.
cityhallguy 10/3/2012 4:55:24 PM Report

sflcv...you just made me laugh out loud!!! I guess this is all for nothing!!! LOL
Peachesmom 10/3/2012 4:55:33 PM Report

Just a note regarding this...

"Thats not really fair to be removed just because another member asked them too.

And yes it is BUYER BEWARE, goes for anywhere yo buy something."

One member cannot simply "ask" to have another member removed. Prior to anyone being removed, the history of complaints we, as Admins, have received are reviewed. We discuss, as a group, and decide from there. We do have it stipulated within the rules that one warning is given and a 2nd will most likely result in being removed.

There have been very few people that have been removed with only one warning, and in those cases, it was after very negative/demeaning comments were made towards another member or something of that nature.
sflcv 10/3/2012 5:01:26 PM Report

I have to call bluff to this. As I know someone who was removed not too long ago, It was not a group decision as the admin who banned them, did NOT discuss it with the admin group. The other admins did not know this person was banned until that person asked why to the other admins.
Also maybe before banning people you can get their side to the story before reacting.
dob131 10/3/2012 5:06:47 PM Report

There you go Peachesmom holding on to the banned list. Why ban people just let the site play out maybe you might have a big thing going here . just keep your eye out on the site. Maybe have a rating system. like if a buyer doesn't pick things up that buyer is on a warning to sellers and let them decide if thay will allow them to bid on thier items. I bet sellers don't like that your banning all the buyers. Thier items would prob go alot higher if alot of those buyers were allowed back on your group. Maybe it should be SELLERS beware of the Admins?
~* Us *~ 10/3/2012 5:11:33 PM Report

@wskygrl1975

Funny, guess we have a friend in common because I got it from a friend today as well. Just thought it was so true and fitting for these types of situations. I guess it meant something different to me than it did to you because you think it's funny, I do not.

To each their own. :)
sflcv 10/3/2012 5:11:46 PM Report

Very true Dobs :) Thats what I like about other sites. They dont ban people right off the hop. Mind you a seller who may not have shown up for some reason beyond their control may of been one of the sellers best customers..
roxxyroller 10/3/2012 5:22:33 PM Report

You guys say that us, the admins, took it as a personal attack? Well the one thing written that honestly got me going as an attack against us admins was "Yup Buyer Beware . And I think the moderators at Sault 24 hour Auctions should be monitored for fraudulent activity." If you go to the top of the comments for this article, you will see that key statement used against us! It was not from the article itself ... when you mention us, then I become involved! I did not just retaliate for the fun of it all!
Nokita_20 10/3/2012 5:26:35 PM Report

Hi, I am also an admin from the auction and have been since day one, I am Stacey. When I first read the article I did understand it was a warning to the public, but having the auctions name right at the beginning kind of made me upset. The reason being is that it is buyer and seller beware for any site or group or even yard sales. I kind of felt like it was mainly about our group since it was mentioned at the beginning. Anyhow, I just want to clarify a few things.

I have been and always will be kind and diplomatic to all members. I treat them as if they are a customer at a job. No I don't get paid for this and it is a lot of work. I wanted this group to be fun and an easy way to get great deals and make some extra cash from the comfort of your own home. To hear people say you all don't have real jobs etc. really makes me upset. I am a nurse and a full time mom, we have a dental assistant, a PSW, a long time business owner and more. I know this doesn't have to do with the article, I just thought I would mention a few things that bother me as an admin. It's when someone says the "admins" are this and that, that means all of us and that isn't true or fare.

The rules are there in place so it is fare to every single member. It is the rules that have made this group as successful as it is. People are to read the rules before starting to have a better understanding of how it works. If you did not agree with the rules than you should not of stayed. We do not ban people because another member says so. Everyone gets a warning, then if they do it again they are removed. Everyone gets a second chance. At the beginning we let a lot of things go and lots of members were upset and not happy. So we have implemented more rules and it seems to work. When we get a complaint we have to follow through, and we do follow through the same for everyone.

I think it is very unfair that someone bids on something and says they will be there to pick up and they don't show or don't even msg the person to tell them otherwise. We ask that if you are not 100% sure that you will pick up the item then please don't bid. This also goes for the sellers to, don't post an item if you are not 100% sure you will honor the item. I have sent warnings to sellers for not honoring the winner the items, most because they didn't get enough for it. Tons of members and admins don't want people on the site who will just bid or sell for the heck of it and not follow through, it is just not fair to the other party.

I find that the ones that do get a warning or removed for not following the rules are the ones that trash the site. It is not hard to follow rules, as there are rules all around us in life. We put more time into this group then people realize. It is something we do because we want to have a place to sell and buy things.

And with a couple comments about admins selling things, why can't we sell things? Just because we have a lot to sell and we are admins doesn't mean we are up to anything. Someone said "And I think the moderators at Sault 24 hour Auctions should be monitored for fraudulent activity" I would like that clarified as in how that is true?

There are two sides to EVERY story. When we get a complaint about not following through with a purchase we ask them to forward the pms so we can see our self. There are a lot people that say "oh I was banned for doing this or not doing this" well there are two sides and we can't tell the other side for that many members.

We aren't telling people to stay, if they are not happy then they have every right to leave. It is a very addicting group and honestly I love it, I love all the selling and buying sites I am a part of. I also run a few sites as well and they are doing well. I run "Sault Baby and Kids Clothes and Items For Sale!" and "Sault Odd Jobs" and my personal one "Everyday Style". And one thing they all have in common, is rules!

We have great members and we are thankful for all of them! We wouldn't be where we are if it wasn't for them and the rules.

All I ask is please use your own judgement when it comes to picking up etc. You should always be aware of your surroundings this day in age. If you want to believe all the negative things people have to say without experiencing it yourself, than that is your choice, but remember there is always two side to every story.

Thanks again to all the great members and to the admins for all the HARD work they do! Hope to see you bidding and selling! Take care.

Stacey from admin
sflcv 10/3/2012 5:28:05 PM Report

That was a bit excessive I agree. But you should of just commented on that one attack and move on. I don't think the admins are in with any thieves. :) Thats not what really bothers anyone, its the other issues with the group. But once again This LETTER was not intended to attack admins, it was a buyer beware, is all. :)
sflcv 10/3/2012 5:33:14 PM Report

I agree Stacy. I don't think it was a attack at your site, as there are a few 24 hour auctions on facebook all with almost the same names.. :) So maybe to you it seemed like it was centering your group but I did not see it that was as I belong to a few of them myself.There are a lot of thriving groups to sell and buy on facebook.
Nokita_20 10/3/2012 5:36:25 PM Report

Stacey again...Forgot to mention....if you think the way some admins talk to members is wrong, you should see the way some members talk to us. I have never been spoken to so condescendingly before becoming an admin. We deal with a lot of put downs, swearing and other demeaning comments. That is not fare to anyone! If you want respect, then please respect the admind as well. :)

Stacey from admin
sflcv 10/3/2012 5:36:53 PM Report

And I think a lot of what people dont like is people being banned. I can see if the same person does not show up after like 5 6 times, but 2nd warning and your out is a bit excessive. Sometimes things come up that people cant control. I do know you have to have some control over your groups but the 2nd time you screw up your out rule? come on now, heck even baseball has the 3 strikes your out rule..lmao
sflcv 10/3/2012 5:39:45 PM Report

Stacy I am a member of your site, I have had conversations with you, you are a very nice young lady and I have never been talked down to or disrespected by you. There are a couple admins who do talk down to people, when they answer a question another member asks they get msgs saying, You dont have the right to answer question,s dont act like your a admin.
What would you think if someone msged you that when all you were doing was trying to help a fellow member out? I think they can be a little less rude. :) being nice goes a long way :)
cityhallguy 10/3/2012 7:46:37 PM Report

Stacey...
Excellent words and view from your side of the fence. Unfortunately, you do have a couple of loose cannons and one definitely posted on this site!
You probably changed the minds of a few posters today!
Great job!
roxxyroller 10/3/2012 8:00:52 PM Report

You're obviously one loose cannon yourself cityhallguy the way you fired your words ...
cityhallguy 10/3/2012 8:02:12 PM Report

Peace out!
lotsarecipes 10/3/2012 8:31:12 PM Report

I think it's taken over an hour to go through all the comments to this story that's simply stating, Buyer Beware...as a member of the group, I see all sides to the comments made by members and admin...but bottom line should be to treat others as you'd like to be treated, would this not solve the problem?
JustMe1234567 10/3/2012 8:32:03 PM Report

I don't even remember what this story was about anymore....I'm too busy watching the 24 hr auction that I had never heard of before. Ha!
Cool concept!
:) Always look at the bright side.



lotsarecipes 10/3/2012 8:49:54 PM Report

JustMe...beware...the site is addictive as stink and can be time consuming, too!! it can be so much fun to clean out the closets or shop in your jammies for the best deals...enjoy the experience but remember, buyer/seller beware...
sflcv 10/4/2012 7:33:10 AM Report

Oh and just to clear up the paycheque issue, I meant you do not get a paycheque for admin'ing the site. And yes lots of recipes and just me, there are a few great auction sites and selling sites besides 24 hour auction :)
fender1970 10/4/2012 8:34:53 PM Report

I agree Why are people using fake names... and why are administrators adding them when they are obviously fake...it is against facebook to even use a fake name... Who ever wrote this my applause to you. i would suggest reporting the group to facebook and all the fake names being used...
Cleaning Closet ..added by beth
Kathy's Cleaning..added by Jennille
Hoarders Cleaning..Added by Sarah Bugs a 9 year old child
Cleaning House.. added byMiriam
Cleaning Closets...added by Jenille
Shawn's Fall Cleaning Forbes..added by miriam
Lora Lee's Cleaning House added by stacy
Charlyn Summer Cleaning Somme added by stacey
Allie Buying Furniture Urs added by stacey
and the list goes on
Why is a 9 year old child even on facebook...great parents there..Another truth about the group is the amount of crap like food being auctioned, come on post an ad somewhere else and sell it...knitting too repeatedly posted as well PLACE AN AD...the group use be good now just about anything is posted...a mystery box, full of crap no doubt... the saddest thing about the group is as soon as you say something about an item you are blocked.. come on... FREE SPEECH... Note to all if you see an item that is a stock photo and they list it as that bought it overseas they did, off ebay for way cheap .. cheap crap from china nothing wrong with selling it but DO LIST IT AS HIGH END like those glow tap water changers they DO NOT WORK HERE and they cell for 1cent on ebay...NOT 20$ ....Oh and sellers, people do have lives and asking someone to pick up an item within 24hours is well, pretty stupid... actully please report all the admins that added fake accounts too...if you dont i think i will
fender1970 10/4/2012 9:04:57 PM Report

also wanted to add... seems admin cant even follow there own rules since they added soo many persons with fake accounts as stated in my other post...


2.e. Members that have a different account to sell and buy items, please include your real name as well. Ex. Clearing Out (John Smith). This is to be in the "Name" part, not the "Alternative Name" part. The reason we ask this is we have to abide by Facebook rules " What names are allowed on Facebook? Facebook is a community where people use their real identities. We require everyone to provide their real names, so you always know who you're connecting"
Nokita_20 10/4/2012 9:48:49 PM Report

Fender....They are not fake accounts, we know who each person is, as we had them validate with their regular account. But then it started getting to much and we realized the facebook rule that people need to use their real names. If you re-read a couple of the names you listed, they have their real names in with the selling name. People learn from their mistakes, and that is why we are trying to reverse it and have people use their real names. And fyi it is Sarah Buggs parents who use that account to help her sell her baking for charities!! So yes they are good parents! For the items you don't agree with, simply pass them buy. It seems you don't like the group, so why are you staying? Not everyone is going to like the group, and if they don't then they can leave at any time.
fender1970 10/4/2012 10:27:12 PM Report

Nokita_20
Sarah own profile states she is 9 years old.... people are making other accounts to sell items..i have looked at them and one can tell they are new accounts, with the same people selling the same stuff... it not about making mistakes.. what about posting items that really should not be sold as auctions but more of less as PUT YOUR ITEM IN A AD .. I never once said i did not like the site... there just is so many things in the last while that make the site stupid..sarah sweet bugs will have to prove to facebook that, she is of age to have an account...if not why is it not under her mothers name... Rest assured that all admins have been reported to facebook..for clearly breaking facebook policies...photos tell all... thanks.. and @roxyroller that song is about a whore
wizardofoz 10/4/2012 11:18:40 PM Report

I am actually glad that this letter was written. I am an admin and a vendor on another site and I have never thought of the possibility of this happening.
With that said,
As a vendor, maybe I should write a letter called Sellers Beware. lmao There are a lot of people that like to order items, wrack up a bill, then disappear when their items come in.
It's the chance you take as a buyer and seller alike.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I think a little tact is needed as we are all adults.
Nokita_20 10/5/2012 12:50:11 AM Report

Fender - I am not worried at all that the group will be shut down. If that is the case, there will be no selling and buying groups at all! It's a facebook group for a small town, I think facebook have bigger things to worry about! You have your opinions and I have mine, and we both are entitled to them! Either way it's all good! :)
Luckylillady 10/5/2012 8:10:07 AM Report

Wow! This letter and all these comments gave me a good giggle this morning! Thanks! Lol I have sold and bought stuff on the auction site. The site works perfectly unless your an idiot. If someone comes to your house to buy something meet them outside your house on the front step. If you invite a stranger in your house YOU are exposing yourself not the auction site, if you don't check if your item works before you leave then you deserve to be ripped off. It is no different then buying something off Kijiji or even the free ads in the Sault Star. This seem so childish, a few people get butt hurt from the site so they are trying to ruin the experience for everyone. "If i can't play, you can't either" type attitude. Grow up and if you don't like the site just don't go one it. And all of you who got banned for not picking up items, if you didn't explain or communicate with the person then you deserve to be kicked out. I have personally changed my day around many times for someone to pick things up and they never showed, I have 1 kid in school 1 in daycare and I work, I don't have time for you to waste. And those of you trying to shut it down... really...? Its face book you shut it down and another one will be up the next day.(there are at least 15 different auction sites in the soo already) If you don't like the auction site stay off it!
Luckylillady 10/5/2012 8:10:07 AM Report

Wow! This letter and all these comments gave me a good giggle this morning! Thanks! Lol I have sold and bought stuff on the auction site. The site works perfectly unless your an idiot. If someone comes to your house to buy something meet them outside your house on the front step. If you invite a stranger in your house YOU are exposing yourself not the auction site, if you don't check if your item works before you leave then you deserve to be ripped off. It is no different then buying something off Kijiji or even the free ads in the Sault Star. This seem so childish, a few people get butt hurt from the site so they are trying to ruin the experience for everyone. "If i can't play, you can't either" type attitude. Grow up and if you don't like the site just don't go one it. And all of you who got banned for not picking up items, if you didn't explain or communicate with the person then you deserve to be kicked out. I have personally changed my day around many times for someone to pick things up and they never showed, I have 1 kid in school 1 in daycare and I work, I don't have time for you to waste. And those of you trying to shut it down... really...? Its face book you shut it down and another one will be up the next day.(there are at least 15 different auction sites in the soo already) If you don't like the auction site stay off it!
roxxyroller 10/5/2012 8:56:25 AM Report

@fender1970 --- roxyroller is a whore? LOL So? What's wrong with that. I like whores. They put out!

sflcv 10/5/2012 8:58:35 AM Report

As for those who think groups can not be shut down think again, 2 auction sites have been closed by FACEBOOK. When people reported it they reported it as spam. When they get enough spam reports they will close it.
roxxyroller 10/5/2012 9:02:25 AM Report

Yup, ok, no probs. If worse case scenario we do get shut down? So what?? It's not the end of the world? It will just be one less group you sour-pusses can yack and gossip about. You will just have to find another group of ppl to prey on ... big whoopie! No skin off of our asses ...
roxxyroller 10/5/2012 9:03:54 AM Report

We won't lose any sleep, I know that much!
roxxyroller 10/5/2012 9:08:05 AM Report

Lastly, to talk about SarahBug Sweet Treats is just ridiculous! Do you know how much GOOD that little 9 yr old girl is doing for our community?! She and her parents give 50% earnings to ARCH to help make others lives more comfortable when they are really sick ... so you are one sick puppy to even bring her name into this! Her parents are obviously GREAT PARENTS helping her accomplish her dreams of helping others.
MommyofOne 10/5/2012 10:51:58 AM Report

I have been banned from the 24 hour auction group recently. I had 2 warnings for not showing up, 1st one I take complete responsibility for but the 2nd one that led to my banning was a little unfair. I had 1 admin ban me, then had another 1 tell me it was unfair. Oh well no big deal really..lol Although the member that reported me was breaking the rules herself. Shes still a member :) ( maybe she got a warning? who knows who cares really )I dont hold grudges nor do I really care much anymore. Just because I was banned form the group does not mean im going to bash anyone.
I think this letter was just to let people know if the dangers, but it is common sense. I admin a couple other groups for selling and its in the rules buyer beware. People know better then to let people onto their homes, but some people are too trusting i guess and thats why there is a letter warning people. I don't think it was a attack against any groups.
I think some took it too far on here and some of the comments are really ridiculous. But oh well.
And about Sarah. It is her Mom who runs the page, Sarah has no control over, dont even think she has the password. Its a page showing what she does for this city. Shes a great girl and is doing a great thing. She should be applauded instead of being put down.
VEROTIK 10/6/2012 12:44:51 AM Report

This letter sounds like a scam!
MommyofOne 10/12/2012 2:00:44 PM Report

I think the funniest thing was finding out who wrote the letter..lol
jojo12345 1/14/2013 12:37:56 AM Report

you are so right BlackHelix gosh peoples
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