Robbery and assault in Lennox Park (update) Monday, October 01, 2012 by: SooToday.com Staff
Based on tips from the public stemming from a news release with a picture of a distinct ball cap, police were able to recover the laptop computer stolen from a youth in Lennox Park.
The investigation is continuing. No charges have been laid to this point.
The Sault Ste. Marie Police Service would like to thank all those who called in with information.
A robbery was reported by a young victim who indicates he was jumped by a group of youths in Lennox Park off Second Line West.
The victim was assaulted by a large group of youths, one or two who were female (one with blonde hair), the others described as 9 – 10 male youths in dark clothing.
Stolen was a red bag containing a black Toshiba laptop.
They broke a TV and Xbox carried by the victim and fled on foot on Lennox Avenue towards the Mac’s Mart on Wellington St. West at Henrietta St.
One of the suspects left a gray and black flat brimmed ball hat behind with the words “Brass Knuckle Therapy” stitched on the front. (shown in photo)
Anyone having information on the owner of such a hat is asked to call Constable M. Rossetto at 705 - 949-6300.
To read today's full police report click here.
bulletcards 9/30/2012 10:32:41 AM Report
now why would anyone in their right mind be walking around carrying all that electronic equipment in the west end. I'm not blaming the kid, but that is a definet way to make yourself a target
SooToday Moderator 9/30/2012 12:08:47 PM Report
The young guy was apparently taking the electronics to his moms house to stay overnight. It's not his fault, he is the victim in a senseless crime.
SooTodayer 9/30/2012 12:12:57 PM Report
Find these bullies! Someone must know who owned that hat. Speak up! No kid should be afraid to walk through a park!
soogurl24 9/30/2012 1:16:15 PM Report
No injuries after being jumped by that many?
geterdun 9/30/2012 2:29:02 PM Report
this park has no lights it at all it is completely black..kids have been drinking and partying there for years.So why is it the cops dont do something about it??? maybe because they dont live around that area so why would they care right....like to see that happen in the p patch then see how many cops show up .....All I can say to you punks is you better be careful who it is you confront because one day you all are going to get a big surprise....watch your backs you little twirps your parents would be so proud of your accomplishments...you will be caught then you will be proud to spread your parents name all over the Soo as useless parents with useless kids..........
geterdun 9/30/2012 2:30:19 PM Report
so were is Fata and Bruni on this issue ??????what they dont live around there so they dont care right.....useless
cityhallguy 9/30/2012 3:32:27 PM Report
geterdun...REALLY????? You're going to somehow blame Councillors for this??? Get a Life! You had me with your first post, but you should've stopped posting!!!
Tom_Bom 9/30/2012 4:37:30 PM Report
I can feel for the kid. I was jumped like this in highschool. I hope they catch the morons that did this to him. We can't have a gang of kids running around stealing from innocent people and beating them up...
Maybe someone should try to bait them at the same park with cops nearby to make the arrest?
Zarm27 9/30/2012 4:52:00 PM Report
Sounds like a mob mentality, there's even the possibility that the kid goes to the same school. I agree with what geterdun said about that they need to watch who they attempt to jump as well. I'm sure if they offered $50 and asked teenagers that go to that superior heights questions about it, they'd find out the guys name quickly.
Jamie333 9/30/2012 5:00:50 PM Report
It shouldn't be too hard to find out who had that stupid hat and doesn't have it anymore.
geterdun 9/30/2012 8:46:53 PM Report
Hey city guy one would expect one of the two councilors to step up after all this is in their zone isnt it??dont we pay them $40,000 a year EACH to speak up about these types of issues??for $80 grand what are we to expect? wait maybe shopping carts on the streets or homeless unemployed drinking all day might spur a comment from them ??like who are we kidding right...I dont expext them to do anything as usual kinda like you who types all day long on here while on the cities dime right???but hey I know you guys at city hall always back each other even when your wrong right??To me councillors should be concerned what goes on in their areas no?? like I said they would only be on the band wagon if it was in the area were they live....and as for you using the city as your name maybe those at city hall should be made aware that you are making comments on here about the city when you are in fact indicating that you work there .some thing is diffently wrong with that practice no??????
cityhallguy 9/30/2012 9:28:11 PM Report
Hey geterdun...are you ok???
Maybe I'm just a fan of City Hall?!?!...and it's my day off so post I shall!!!
And if you re-read my comments, they were about you, and nothing to do with City Hall!!! But you're way too busy laying blame on Councillors! Still don't get it, but hey...I'm apparently just another mindless person working at City Hall!
You want to blame cops? Fine!
You want to blame parents? Absolutely!
You want to blame kids and booze? Sure!
You want to blame the area and lighting? OK!
moem 10/1/2012 12:51:31 AM Report
If the park doesn't have proper lighting, if it's unsafe, if police don't patrol it then you should lay some blame on councillors. Are people here really that naive? If you have an issue i'n your ward who should you call, for example if your street lights are out, or perhaps a path is not well lit?? Hmmmm, and do you think the police services just outline their own mandates? Do they patrol wherever they feel like it? If you don't think mayor and city council have a say in these matters you are poorly educated on the ins and outs of city politics! Police, city council, the mayor all work in tandem and there should be task forces set up that include consultation with residents and business owners to ensure public safety, it is everyone's business and responsibility , in big cities like Toronto this happens, and it works I sat on such a task force. Luckily the young man seems to be okay, and really how can we ask why he was carrying that stuff it's not his fault!! What if an elderly woman was carrying a wad of cash would we blame her if she were robbed? What about a young woman in a short skirt who gets attacked, is that her fault? NO people have a right to transport their goods without being robbed
moem 10/1/2012 1:00:44 AM Report
Here's a news story..... God walks among us.... He's masquerading under the pseudonym L'artist!! Karma my dear friend Karma.... Sootoday should strip you of your right to post comments!!!
Flyers08 10/1/2012 1:05:08 AM Report
Sounds like these punks need a little "Brass Knuckle Therapy" of their own!! In time.....what comes around, goes around. Not sure what is happening to this city, but it isn't good. I just thank God that my kids will never grow up to be like that!
shaddow 10/1/2012 1:37:56 AM Report
Tom_Bom - I agree with your comment with the 'vigilante' idea to set the punks up, BUT, without Police, because if they were involved the punks would hire a Lawyer & have it thrown out for 'entrapment'. The best way to stop this garbage is to form a group of citizens to clean up our city. I remember back a few years ago when John St. Park was the hang out of a pack of useless punks sometimes up to 12 - 14, both girl & boys ages of 12 to 15 years. They ALL were doing drugs, booze & sex under the trees. They also did damage to peoples property. The really sad part is they have scattered away but the young girls have babies, that the taxpayers are supporting & it seems to be a common tradition with young girls today, under the age of 16 having a couple children & we taxpayer are paying to support them. It's time we clean up our parks & the young generation before it gets worst. They should take all babies born to 12 - 16 year old children away unless their parents want to support them, as no welfare for them. Just my opinion ............
iLash 10/1/2012 8:37:32 AM Report
Curfew!!! It's exactly what our city needs! If your underage and want to be out past 10 p.m. get a pass. We should have a depot like where they sell bus passes and teens need to prove they have a job(letter from employer) and be approved to be out walking after this time. Enough is enough already!! Everyone complains are city is going to the birds, but everyone is just sitting around doing nothing about it!
B Boy 10/1/2012 9:19:52 AM Report
What we need is a modern & engaged policy service.
85% of police services in Canada embrace community policing programs with a high rate of success yet why does the SSM police service avoid it?
I attended a meeting at police HQ to get involved and a sargeant walked in and told us that would be the last time we're allowed to discuss it on police property - they wanted nothing to do with it.
Wake up police! Time to modernize. Share some best practices from other successful police services. By your own admission there's a high crime rate here.
SipKing 10/1/2012 9:34:52 AM Report
Bait them and have the police stand by to arrest them ? Really... Why not do it the old fashion way and give them an eye for an eye, OR lets get rid of this Young Offenders Act, if you are old enough to steal, rob, gang up on kids, then your old enough to be dealt with like an adult, One kid from a past home invasion was sentenced to 60 hours of community service, at the YMCA of all places, just where I want to send my children. The bottom line is that the Punishment should fit the Crime.
B Boy 10/1/2012 9:47:33 AM Report
SipKing - that's all well & said but remember that this crime is a symptom of the various socioeconomic, educational, political and policing factors. Otherwise all punishment would result in 0% recidivism, which it doesn't.
Always look at the root cause - without question kids get off too easy, there's no deterrant. I believe in a constructive deterrant - if they're caught spray-tagging, then they have to help clean the city akin to a chain gang. They steal from someone, they have to work off the debt. But punishments should be the LAST stage in the process. Effective political, educational and policing programs must come FIRST. Policing isn't just driving around in a card and responding to calls - that's a no-thought response pattern. Policing should largely be active crime prevention through education, programs, presence and cultivating community relationships. Roll up your sleeves and get active. I can't think of the last time I even saw a proactive police foot patrol outside of a carnival.
22hoofer22 10/1/2012 10:03:08 AM Report
This kind of stuff has been going on forever, you just never heard about it. With all this technology now you hear about everything. Still don't know if it's good or bad. It's nice to know what's going on, but I think it's just making people paranoid. I remember when kids actually walked home from school in grade 2 and 3. Even kids in high school are getting picked up at school nowadays. I just don't get that.
a_mom 10/1/2012 10:20:32 AM Report
ilash its called freedom alot of people fought and died for it, if you don't like it move to a communist country.
sweetc 10/1/2012 11:26:10 AM Report
I should have the freedom to walk where I want without the fear of attack. Step up the police presence in the known problem areas. Police should get out of their cars and walk around and make themselves known in the area.
Dead End Kid 10/1/2012 12:26:44 PM Report
Hey ciythallguy, yes area and lighting is the cities responsibility unless i'm missing something.
When I was a kid growing up in the 60's and 70's, you didn't see the large gangs of teens roaming the streets at night. To me, I look at them and see a bunch of punk cowards that feel they have to be in a big gang so they can walk around without feeling intimidated. Where the heck are the parents of these kids. There is nothing the police can do about it unless they break the law. I see the girls are now doing the same thing. These gangs are lucky they live in Canada. In the U.S., you don't know who you're messing with.
SammH 10/1/2012 12:43:24 PM Report
RE: Curfew -- I thought the city HAD an 11pm curfew for kids under 18? I just get the impression it's not enforced.
Slim Shady 10/1/2012 1:22:44 PM Report
1. A policing system that works must be enforced with a supportive judicial system. The disconnect happens from too lax laws with insufficient behavioral deterrents (like mandatory punishments that fit the crime! significant jail time or community service doing hard labour). The names of the young offenders that do crime and their parents should be identified! They should feel the shame of their actions and be held accountable. My Parents used to say “Whatever you do reflects on us as your parents”. If you curb the behaviour while they are young you will have a better chance that they won’t move on to bigger crimes.
2. I agree with earlier comments regarding being able to have your Grade 2 or 3 child being able to walk home…. Ask yourself: What in society has changed?
3. Kids under 16 have no business being out after 10:00PM unless they have a job. My mother used to say “If you hang around bad people, bad things will happen to you”. Call me old fashioned, but parents need to stop being their kids best friend and start being a parent.
4. To all those people who are ready to blame City Hall for everything should understand one thing: Councillors represent the wishes and interests of their respective Ward. They can’t be expected to know where every dead street light is. If you have a concern you can call, email or write a letter to your Ward Councillor who will take it to City Hall on your behalf. If you put a request in writing to be heard, City Hall will give you 10 minutes at their next Council Meeting where you can present your case. Sometimes problems don’t get resolved right away for various reasons including no-budget for the year (funds have already been committed for other items) or other people from your Ward don’t share the same opinion as you do and deem it unnecessary. How many of you people have got off your ass and brought your concerns to City Hall or attended a monthly council meeting (which is open to the Public)?
5. Those kids should all be charged with assault and robbery. Their parents should be made to pay for the damages done to the boy. If they are not able to pay, their kids should be remain at the Juvenile Detention Center until they do.
speed7 10/1/2012 3:30:26 PM Report
This is the mentality of these young punks today... brass knuckle therapy ?
How about too spoiled like a bratt therapy... maybe that would have made for a better slogan for a hat. Lennox Street is a rough neighbourhood, always has been. Bullying type crime is on the rise. Wait till more jobs are lost in this city... it will escalate further.
speed7 10/1/2012 3:44:02 PM Report
Also wanted to add that there are many kids walking around after 1pm at night and they are mostly a gang of kids some look like gang brawlers. Often times the police come by to investigate. I am seeing more and more of this bullying type activity and the crowds are getting younger too. First thing I think of usually is where are these kids parents? All I know if it where my kid I'd be in a panic. They be reprimanded and grounded. Has any parenting skills gone to the birds these days or what?
B Boy 10/1/2012 4:14:04 PM Report
There’s been a fair amount of criticism against the residents of Sault Ste. Marie spending too much time complaining and not enough time doing.
Personally I’m just sick of the state of things. From shortcomings within city council, to conservation issues and policing shortcomings.
I’d like to invite anyone and everyone who is interested in being ACTIVELY ENGAGED and wanted to TAKE ACTION by creating an active discussion and action plan. Perhaps by putting our heads together we can come up with some collective solutions. I’ve created the free forum below to get things started – it may look bleak initially but we’ll spruce things up and get some action items.
The URL is: http://ssmimprovement.freeforums.org
Looking forward to seeing you there!
iLash 10/1/2012 5:40:04 PM Report
a_mom those comments are little out there. I didn't know Sault Michigan was a communist community!They have had an enforced curfew for as long as I can remember. I also didn't know many places here in Canada were communist communities either , because there are MANY that have curfews for young people.
It has nothing to do with freedom. Adults who are grown and responsible have all the freedom they want. Young people and teens who are still not fully responsible should have rules. If parents aren't going to enforce the rules than the community needs to. Most parents wouldn't have an issue with keeping young people off the streets. It's the parents who don't take responsibility for their children that do. I bet there are many people in this town that would be all for a curfew for those under 16.
Of course this would only be one part of many ideas the Sault needs to do in order to cut back on crime. As for more policing, I see police cars ALL the time. Slowly driving looking for trouble. These kids aren't stupid they know how to work the system.
I think it's time for the Chief to step down and let someone younger with fresh ideas in.
geterdun 10/1/2012 6:38:15 PM Report
ilash: you hit it right on the head with everything.... curfew I am all for that , New chief Im all for that to,he is so far from reality it could smack him in the face and he wouldnt know it....if these kids are out after 9 then lets have the parents pay the price like $100 for first offence and $100 for every offence after that.....I would even make the parents do the community work with their kids........
Either way they better do something soon...........!!!!!!!!!!!!!before it is to late and someones kid gets hurt or worse yet killed
Prrrrrrr 10/1/2012 8:47:54 PM Report
A-mom...Soo Michigan has a 10 pm curfew for minors....it works and I would love to see it here. If you don't believe me open your door and listen for the siren to go off at 10. I lived there when I was 13...the kids get off the streets by 10 or their guardians are fined. Nothing wrong with that.
speed7 10/2/2012 2:35:42 AM Report
I think that's a good idea, cause I'll tell you when I have to drive late at night home and I see the rage activity on these kids faces
I say a prayer that my car doesnt break down ? l basically fear for my safety, Feels like I'm driving through Harlem. I wouldn't want contact with these kids. Bullying each other and using profanities my cell would be calling the police instead!