GEMACO 9/27/2012 1:17:21 PM ReportJust imagine if you were employed in the public sector.... :)
Wage freeze for 2 more years? welcome to reality....
WHATS NEXT?
frauleinbroomhilda 9/27/2012 1:17:22 PM ReportAsk yourself why you would spend money you don't have?????
BigDaddy 9/27/2012 1:22:20 PM ReportWhy would people call into Sootoday to complain? This is news worthy?
wow...talk about entitled...and people complain about the public sector?
Stevie-E 9/27/2012 1:29:56 PM ReportBunch of Clark Griswolds!
If you are depeendent on $2k additional, then your priorities aren't in the right place. I am sure everyone there is paid very well.
You work in that industry, the global market tells whether or not you will be getting a bonus
Sorry guys - not this year!
opinionated 9/27/2012 1:37:03 PM ReportThere are a couple big reasons for the stir this has caused. For one, management/office is still getting their bonus. Also, they have set production records all year. The company made more money this year than last (those numbers are public, go check it out). It blows my mind to wonder why they would screw around with production employees like this, not to mention their contract is up very soon.
Thing is, they took it away with no reasoning behind it, not even any reasons anyone can speculate!
GEMACO 9/27/2012 1:43:27 PM Reportdoes anyone realize that this has been going on in the OPS for the last 4-5 years??? the big wig execs get there 6-10% and sometimes even 20% bonuses and raises, and the employees who actually do the work, get nothing... not even cost of living increase....
Stop the crying... don't spend money you don't have...
OMGWTF 9/27/2012 1:48:30 PM ReportWhy would you spend money you don't have? It's like buying a lottery ticket and cashing in before the draw! Maybe this will teach you the lesson in the old saying " don't count your chickens before they're hatched".
scottstewy123 9/27/2012 1:52:22 PM ReportLOL @ story
KIDDO 9/27/2012 1:58:56 PM ReportTo GAMECO public sector wages are so freaking ridiculous you guy's don't have to worry about 2K bonus at the end of the year. Maybe in two years after the freeze their wages might be in check with " REALITY "
ShawnM 9/27/2012 2:10:10 PM ReportThats the one problem with unions, they just expect that they will get everything... Bonus's are that a bonus, your employer does not have to give them to you, they choose to give them to you. Be grateful and stop spending outside your means.
Truck 9/27/2012 2:11:44 PM ReportWages have been frozen in the Public sector for 3 years now....plus today they announce an additional 2 year freeze. The response..."its about time Government Employees dd their fair share".Which for an outsider seems a legitimate thing to say. By the end of this freeze my wages will have ben frozen for close to 6 years. Yet over that time....gas, food, taxes, goods and services have all increased in price. My property taxes...4.4% alone for each year for the next 3 years! Now everyone is starting to get a taste of what it feels like....and is up is arms.
PunkBob 9/27/2012 2:12:04 PM ReportYes it sucks, I have not heard this story yet, however the way stories get tossed around at the mill I won't believe what I hear until I hear it from a trusted source. Regarding the bonus, we do get production bonuses every couple months, this year they have been pretty substantial due to the production we have achieved.
The bonus in question is considered "Extra ordinary" which to be honest I never expect. Tenaris is a company, I am surprised that we get anything extra from them. If they no longer wish to give us a bonus then they don't have to. It doesn't surprise me, they dont even want to spend money on replacing outdated dangerous equipment. They would rather patch it with duct tape and run it until it dies.
I may be young but I learned a long time ago, never spend money before you have it.....nothing is guaranteed.
JediMindTrick 9/27/2012 2:13:18 PM Reporthahaha
I like how it's not even the employee complaining; it's his wife who also implies that its the spouses who depend on the bonus, not the employee.
Learn to live within your means, quit spending money you don't have and stop complaining. You need an extra $2000, get a loan and move on.
Whatever the circumstance is with management, a 'bonus' is by no means an entitlement and it does not purely depend on profits. There are many factors that go in to determining WHAT AND IF a bonus is possible (not simply profits for a fiscal quarater or year).
By the way SooToday, I played Lotto649 last week and didn't win.... but thought I should have and I have already spent $2,000,000. I would like to file a formal complaint against the OLG,
Thank you.
Truck 9/27/2012 2:26:43 PM ReportKiddo...
so you're famiar with public sector salaries?? How so...or you just running you're mouth??
melvin_smiley 9/27/2012 2:37:14 PM ReportI bought a lottery ticket too and didn't win. Wait, what the F#€% are we talking about again?
GEMACO 9/27/2012 2:38:28 PM ReportKIDDO id like to see the answer to Trucks question....
you have no idea.... I am willing to bet my salary for yours that you make more than the Average OPS employee.... get your head out of your _ _ _. You could have got away with that post maybe 15 years ago when a OPS job was worth it....
FACT - OPS earning is, on average, LOWER than industry standard.
KIDDO 9/27/2012 2:42:08 PM ReportTruck......So your familiar with public sector wages also???? Then again you must be a Public Sector employee seeing your so oblivious to the obvious.
GEMACO 9/27/2012 2:42:56 PM ReportKIDDO...
"Maybe in two years after the freeze their wages might be in check with " REALITY ""
Do you even realize that the OPS has been on a wage freeze for the last 3 years?
Have you spent your bonus yet? How many chickens did you count?
GEMACO 9/27/2012 2:44:52 PM ReportKIDDO.. whats so obvious? the fact that you know zero facts?
Truck 9/27/2012 2:47:53 PM ReportKiddo...
so you're famiar with public sector salaries?? How so...or you just running you're mouth??
Mr E 9/27/2012 3:02:52 PM ReportKiddo knows nothing about OPS salaries.
Just because your neighbour says something doesn't mean it's true.
Welcome to reality.
KIDDO 9/27/2012 3:04:59 PM ReportDoes this liest look average GEMECO / TRUCK? City of Sault Ste. Marie APOSTLE NICHOLAS Commissioner of Community Services $130,292.22 $1,490.36
City of Sault Ste. Marie AUTIO STEPHEN Captain $110,341.83 $597.50
City of Sault Ste. Marie BAILEY DAVID Captain $103,253.42 $782.84
City of Sault Ste. Marie BARRETT TERRY Captain $107,063.79 $782.87
City of Sault Ste. Marie BRESCACIN FRANK Assistant Fire Chief - Fire Suppression $113,732.93 $2,163.45
City of Sault Ste. Marie COCCIMIGLIO FRANK Manager of Information Systems $106,356.37 $1,227.48
City of Sault Ste. Marie COULTER GLEN Platoon Chief $111,637.65 $824.94
City of Sault Ste. Marie DOLCETTI JERRY Commissioner of Engineering and Planning $144,197.53 $1,643.81
City of Sault Ste. Marie DUBOIS TERRY Captain $104,961.40 $782.88
City of Sault Ste. Marie ELLIOTT DONALD Director of Engineering Services $118,219.48 $1,353.70
City of Sault Ste. Marie ELLIOTT JAMES Commissioner of Public Works and Transportation $115,136.52 $4,092.55
City of Sault Ste. Marie FERA NORMAN Manager of Community Centres & Marine Facilities $101,098.13 $1,113.25
City of Sault Ste. Marie FERRIS DAMON Captain $108,159.30 $782.88
City of Sault Ste. Marie FRATESI JOSEPH Chief Administrative Officer $183,137.48 $6,405.72
City of Sault Ste. Marie FREIBURGER WILLIAM Commissioner of Finance and Treasurer $144,197.53 $1,643.81
City of Sault Ste. Marie FREMLIN RODERICK Captain $102,515.18 $782.87
City of Sault Ste. Marie GIRARDI LARRY Commissioner of Public Works and Transportation $119,277.37 $3,554.44
City of Sault Ste. Marie HENDERSON RONALD Captain $105,643.98 $782.87
City of Sault Ste. Marie HEWITT ROBERT Captain $105,964.77 $782.88
City of Sault Ste. Marie KENNY NUALA City Solicitor $124,111.10 $1,436.72
City of Sault Ste. Marie KOZACK BRIAN 1st Class Firefighter $101,324.62 $695.48
City of Sault Ste. Marie LANG DAVID Platoon Chief $110,572.10 $824.94
City of Sault Ste. Marie LASH BRUCE Platoon Chief $112,558.97 $824.93
City of Sault Ste. Marie LEBEL MICHAEL Superintendent of Public Works $117,708.48 $2,494.20
City of Sault Ste. Marie LUSZKA JOHN Commissioner of Human Resources $130,292.22 $1,490.36
City of Sault Ste. Marie MAY JOSEPH Platoon Chief $109,537.23 $824.94
City of Sault Ste. Marie MCCONNELL DONALD Planning Director $106,356.37 $1,227.48
City of Sault Ste. Marie MCDERMID WAYNE Captain $105,626.39 $782.87
City of Sault Ste. Marie MCLELLAN SCOTT Manager of Budgets and Revenue $107,483.24 $1,227.46
City of Sault Ste. Marie MILOSEVICH
KIDDO 9/27/2012 3:06:48 PM ReportIf you want more.http://www.fin.gov.on.ca/en/publications/salarydisclosure/2012/munic12d.html
melvin_smiley 9/27/2012 3:10:26 PM ReportSo i bought this friggin lotto ticket the other day....
Mr E 9/27/2012 3:36:30 PM ReportIt means you have no idea the difference between Management and labourers.
Did you expect Directors and Chiefs to make less than 100k?
OMGWTF 9/27/2012 3:38:22 PM ReportSo if you don't like what you earn compared to Senior Mangers in public service go get a job with one and then you'll see that they and thereby you are worth every penny of it! Quit gripping and being so jealous about salaries. If you want to earn it go get it. If you can't then you aren't right for the job and stop complaining. Everyone likes to complain about what other people earn but does nothing to better their own way, except wishing they were them.
Truck 9/27/2012 3:39:37 PM ReportKIDDO...
Those are all upper management jobs!!!....and municapal to boot ( all of which will not be subject to the wage freeze) What's the rank an file salary structure??? You're high-lighting the few!! The MAJORITY of employee don't make what a general laborer makes at Tennaris!! and I know cause I am one!!!
DowntownJuniorBrown 9/27/2012 3:43:15 PM ReportThe no bonus situation is unfortunate but as Mr.Belsito states there are no guarantees when given out bonuses.
However that's fairly easy to state when you are one of the fortunate people who works in the front office and gets their bonus for the year.
As far as the "bonus plan" that's in place, that is something that's earned by the workers for performing well and getting product out the door.
If the company didn't want to give out a bonus they should have told their workers, not have them find out second hand after the fact, a simple email probably would have been sufficient enough. There's no way the company just realized they weren't going to be giving out the bonuses.
This is not news and should be something dealt with internally, there isn't a person outside of that mill that's going to care that you didn't get your bonus.
If you were foolish enough to spend money you didn't have that's your problem; that bonus could have only been $100.
Bottom line crying to sootoday isn't the way to go about this, also not giving your employees the simple gesture of knowing they weren't getting a bonus is cowardly.
KIDDO 9/27/2012 3:46:33 PM ReportWhat it tells me is that there's to many Chiefs. Really how many fire chiefs do we need for one small city.
GEMACO 9/27/2012 3:49:32 PM ReportKIDDO you are just that.. a KID... you list a couple MUNICIPAL salary leaders as your answer?? did you read anything on anyone's POST? OPS... "Other Public Service"?? ummmm no .. ONTARIO PUBLIC SERVICE... take a lesson and read before you have an answer. I also stated that it was the low level people doing the work that have had a freeze for the last 3 years. This did not include upper management!!! lol and u list municipal salaries... thanks for the info... LOL
GEMACO 9/27/2012 3:52:35 PM ReportClark.. i mean KIDDO, how big was the pool you had picked out? LOL how many of your chickens will be swimming in it??
melvin_smiley 9/27/2012 3:59:03 PM ReportI have a growth on my leg. My mother says it's benigne but i'd really like another opinion. Was really hoping for that lotto ticket so i could have it removed. Maybe one day i can be commisioner or chief of something.
mattdoubleU 9/27/2012 4:20:38 PM ReportObviously the bonus is not part of your contract, maybe when this contract is up your union should make that part of the next contract, bunch of dummies whining about money they "thought" they were getting .... And as far as KIDDDO, you are absolutely retarded.
debbiedoo 9/27/2012 4:24:36 PM ReportI just laugh when people think they're entitled to a "bonus". A bonus is just that - a bonus. It's only paid when the owner(s) decide to pay it - then and only then. For those that depend on this - get a grip on reality.
melvin_smiley 9/27/2012 4:40:17 PM ReportI have successfully hacked sootoday's main computer and found the names of all the people on here bad mouthing tenaris employee's. They are as follow's
City of Sault Ste. Marie APOSTLE NICHOLAS Commissioner of Community Services
City of Sault Ste. Marie AUTIO STEPHEN Captain
City of Sault Ste. Marie BAILEY DAVID Captain
City of Sault Ste. Marie BARRETT TERRY Captain
City of Sault Ste. Marie BRESCACIN FRANK Assistant Fire Chief - Fire Suppression
City of Sault Ste. Marie COCCIMIGLIO FRANK Manager of Information Systems
City of Sault Ste. Marie COULTER GLEN Platoon Chief
City of Sault Ste. Marie DOLCETTI JERRY Commissioner of Engineering and Planning
City of Sault Ste. Marie DUBOIS TERRY Captain
City of Sault Ste. Marie ELLIOTT DONALD Director of Engineering Services
City of Sault Ste. Marie ELLIOTT JAMES Commissioner of Public Works and Transportation
City of Sault Ste. Marie FERA NORMAN Manager of Community Centres & Marine Facilities
City of Sault Ste. Marie FERRIS DAMON Captain
City of Sault Ste. Marie FRATESI JOSEPH Chief Administrative Officer
City of Sault Ste. Marie FREIBURGER WILLIAM Commissioner of Finance and Treasurer
City of Sault Ste. Marie FREMLIN RODERICK Captain
City of Sault Ste. Marie GIRARDI LARRY Commissioner of Public Works and Transportation
City of Sault Ste. Marie HENDERSON RONALD Captain
City of Sault Ste. Marie HEWITT ROBERT Captain
City of Sault Ste. Marie KENNY NUALA City of
City of Sault Ste. Marie KOZACK BRIAN 1st Class Firefighter
City of Sault Ste. Marie LANG DAVID Platoon Chief
City of Sault Ste. Marie LASH BRUCE Platoon Chief
City of Sault Ste. Marie LEBEL MICHAEL Superintendent of Public Works
City of Sault Ste. Marie LUSZKA JOHN Commissioner of Human Resources
City of Sault Ste. Marie MAY JOSEPH Platoon Chief
City of Sault Ste. Marie MCCONNELL DONALD Planning Director
City of Sault Ste. Marie MCDERMID WAYNE Captain
City of Sault Ste. Marie MCLELLAN SCOTT Manager of Budgets and Revenue
City of Sault Ste. Marie MILOSEVICH
iluvslots 9/27/2012 4:44:10 PM ReportYou really spent the bonus before you had it in your hot little hand? Now why on earth would you do that? Never count your chickens until the eggs are hatched.
mrmarc 9/27/2012 4:53:15 PM ReportHey Kiddo,
It's called University.. Those people on that list either have it, or are ptuuning their lives on the line.
I know not everyone can afford to have education, but you can't expect people who have degrees like the "Director of Engineering" to be making a $50000-$60000 salary. Not going to happen.
melvin_smiley 9/27/2012 4:58:30 PM ReportI had a chicken once but it never gave me eggs... So i ate it.
Hacksaw 9/27/2012 5:31:42 PM ReportThe "complaints" to the media are not representative of the entire Algoma Tubes workers. Most of us don't give a damn as this "extraordinary bonus" as Tenaris has called it, was never guaranteed and was an unexpected compensation for a few years. It was nice but now it's gone - no big deal to most of us.
opinionated 9/27/2012 5:44:31 PM ReportPoor timing / HR on the company's part - they should have given more warning and some reasoning, but not as bad as made out to be.
Employees still get their production bonus (which office employees don't get), which has been huge this year.
melvin_smiley 9/27/2012 6:05:57 PM ReportI'm confused here... So do you smoke the bath salts or eat them?
rolexxx 9/27/2012 7:53:29 PM ReportFirst of all... quit comparing public sector jobs to mill work. How many times has your life been in jeopardy. The mailman fighting a bichon frise...the secretary fighting a paper cut. We work around dangerous gases, furnaces and at any moment a load of steel can fall crushing anybody underneath. I work at Essar Steel and still feel for these workers. All you "highly intelligent" (cough cough) people like Gemaco talking about wage freezes for 3 years. If you dont like it come work for Essar or Tenaris and see how long you last Nancy. Before you say something stupid like go back to school....a lot of us already did and when we applied for your jobs...they told us we were too intelligent to do your menial paper pushing jobs. This article had nothing to do with public sector jobs but all you people with an opinion had to respond. If you dont like your wage freezes then find a new job. You wont because you know how "gravy" you actually have it. Go put on your cardigan and pretend to work. Most of "you" people are probably writing this on public sector time as well. If I was in government I wouldn't freeze your wages...I would lower your wages. Grow up and stay out of other peoples business.
babootzoo 9/27/2012 8:44:27 PM ReportHi folks! I think it's hilarious how people jump in to argue workers rights and beliefs. First of all to all of you who don't work shift work please keep your stupid comments out of this! Second those of you that don't work five 12 hour shifts zip it! That's 120 hours a pay!!! Sounds good eh folks. You say how could this be? Big companys always find a way to ovoid OT, and they did it to us and our own Labour Laws did nothing to stop this. Made a call and the answer i got was on paper your not working that 60 hours!....Bullshit....my body works that 60 hours a week....So you end up with four hours overtime for that 120. The normal or average person works 40hours a week. Now about the people who say a bonus is always going to be available. I agree! But hold on. What's fair is fair. Let me put it this way for u dummies that don't think straight before u shoot your beek off. Let's say we get to the Stanley cup in the big show and win it all, does everyone get to hold the Cup? You never divide the team! Never. You can't give the Salary folks who I have nothing against and deserve every bit of that bonus, BUT then so does the rest of the Team! Right Mr. Rocco! So all you Tenaris bashes out their can stick it cause u don't have a clue what this really means to us until you step your pretty little feet in our BOOTS!.....That's for all us Boys at Tenaris
babootzoo 9/27/2012 8:49:34 PM ReportOh and any of you that say find another job are idiots! We do this cause we provide for our families and for the ones that can say they love their job! Well good for you!
Mopar 9/27/2012 8:52:34 PM ReportIf the public sector employees don't like having their wages frozen then they should go get a job in the private sector and have them rolled back 15-20 percent.
I'm In 9/27/2012 8:56:09 PM ReportHey rolexxx: quit whinning where you work you chose the job and your not entitled to anything, they hired you to work with heat and poison so suck it up. You couldn't get a Public Sector Job because by reading your comments you are as dumb as nails.
babootzoo 9/27/2012 8:59:14 PM ReportRRRRRR
sccs446 9/27/2012 9:57:43 PM Reportbabootzoo
Might want recalculate your pay stubs, your hours of work are averaged out. You dont work 60hrs "every week" (120hrs a pay), what about the set of 4 or set of 5 days in between those 60 hrs a week worked. I work same schedule but at different place, be thankful you get payed the 4 hrs OT every pay on your 84hr- 2 week pay!!!!
sccs446 9/27/2012 9:57:44 PM Reportbabootzoo
Might want recalculate your pay stubs, your hours of work are averaged out. You dont work 60hrs "every week" (120hrs a pay), what about the set of 4 or set of 5 days in between those 60 hrs a week worked. I work same schedule but at different place, be thankful you get payed the 4 hrs OT every pay on your 84hr- 2 week pay!!!!
Rad 9/27/2012 10:06:21 PM ReportMan! All the opinions & BS flying around. First off, I know a bonus shouldn't be expected (& those of you that spent it ahead of time - think a little) but after receiving it for many years in a row you hope it's going to be there, a nice little added bonus for Christmas coming up. Yes our production bonus has been a little higher this year but why not reward your employees for a job well done instead of causing a division in the workplace. No! The managers don't get a production bonus, but they do get a performance bonus that we don't get! We, on the floor make the managers look good, not the other way around. The company handled it completely wrong & caused a big rivalry between workers & managers. They only gave us three days notice that we were not getting this bonus but the managers received their bonus last week. This turns into a respect issue. How did they think we would respond, this is nothing but a slap in the face. From a company point of view keep the people happy & they failed at that. A can of worms has just been opened!!
babootzoo 9/27/2012 10:09:31 PM ReportWell put rolllex! Don't bother with the pencil pushers that sit in their lunch rooms for hours at a time, on eight hour shifts. I'll bet half of them wouldn't last a year on 12 hour shift work. There's always clowns out there the don't have a clue. Just look at what most of them are saying! If you don't like your job quit!!! Well little man, were not quiters !! We fight for what we believe is right! Quiting is for loser's. I'll say it one more time for the dumb ass people out there! You don't share half of your winnings with half of the TEAM!!!! Now go to bed all of you cause u have a long 8 hour day tomorrow! Oh and what ever you do please stay safe at your jobs! We wouldn't want to see you get your finger caught in your desk drawer!!!!!
Mr E 9/27/2012 10:36:05 PM ReportLet's not get away from the morale of the story. Anyone who spends money they don't have has NOBODY to blame but themselves. It could be worse. You could have NO JOB.
babootzoo 9/27/2012 10:44:04 PM ReportSccs.........I really don't care what u think or your math calculations come too! That's another debate! We're talking about our company that preaches The T in Tenaris is for Team Work!!! Again and Again! You don't give half the Team the Cup and send the other half off the ice to the bus! Oh and just wondering were u work also cause I'd like to ask the other people who u work with if their so happy about working this schedule and are so happy to get 4 hours OT....And as your five days or four days off!! You sleep your first one. The second day you just start to snap out of Zombie mode. Happy to get 4 hours OT....that's funny! I myself and I bet a lot of people would rather have a 2 days an 2 nights schedule that gives you a 72 hour pay, 84 hour pay and and beautiful 96 hour pay! Well that's brutal I guess eh? Why do think you work that schedule. Company boy eh? That's what I thought!
sccs446 9/27/2012 11:47:00 PM ReportDont care what I think but still respond hmmmm? Company man LMFAO, Where I work we as the employee's get to vote in the schedule of "our"choice, so stick that one in the pipe your smoking Bud!!!!
Like I said "at least you get the OT" (read again) of 4hrs on your 84hr 2wk cheque aswell as a shift premium hmmmm. We work 84 like you and get paid 80 so boo F'n hoo. So where do you come up with this 120hrs every 2 weeks you work in your post?? Maybe if you look at your 2 sets of 5 with 4 off. But look at the next 2 weeks 10 off 4 worked.(not so bad is it)?
Go ahead for the 2 days 2 nights - now you have even less time to get out of zombie mode that you say your in???
P.S There are other jobs out there if these are your concerns. In my post I was just clearing up some of the B.S you were trying to feed people here.
sccs446 9/28/2012 12:06:40 AM ReportI think you should be thankful that you even have the possibilty for a bonous cheque. Is there any proof that these cheques are going to be paid out to management??
Or just jumping to another conclusion or another B.S fact you are making on here!!
(Dont spend whats not in your pocket)
stuey 9/28/2012 12:47:28 AM Reportliving paycheck to paycheck are we???????
rockbottom 9/28/2012 1:36:59 AM ReportThe wages at Tenaris are decent wages, so if you have to rely on a bonus cheque to get through, then you may need to re-evaluate your finances, which may or may not be possible for various reasons. That being said, I can understand that if they've been handing out bonus cheques for years, then it would hurt, when not getting one, especially if management is still getting their's, as that is totally wrong, because it's the men and women on the floor, who work extremely hard to get the product out, but that's just my opinion. Whether you work in industry or any other profession, we ALL deserve a bonus if feasible, instead of a bone us, which is probably more the norm, in most cases.
sinikka 9/28/2012 3:33:04 AM ReportGEMACO you are one of those people who don't deserve a OPS job. If you are not happy get another job instead of whining about frozen wages. That is what happens with people who work for the government, there is always a sense of entitlement. Poor GEMACO.
babootzoo 9/28/2012 6:58:42 AM ReportLOL! Man oh man! I understand that the bonus cheque isn't a guarantee. Where in my comments does it say that I want a bonus cheque!!! What are you reading! All I'm saying is u can't give money to half the employees and nothing to the other half. No ones complaining about our wages either dumb ass's! And we won't put that in our pipe and smoke it cause our pipe is hot and heavy and we aren't stupid like you dummie's that chew on your led pencils everyday. Just forget it and move on to other arguments that you can try to understand. All we are saying is! Here we go children of the Dumb ass world!!! Are you ready? I will try to say it in another way and you can sit down with your kids and ask them this and I bet that they would understand right from wrong. You go into a room and there's a birthday party for little Johnny! Are you following so far, good. The cake is brought in and we ALL sing HAPPY BIRTHDAY! Have I lost you dumb ass's yet? Johnny's mother now splits the room in half and gives cake to only one side of the room!!! What the hell do think is going to happen to the rest of the kids moral. So like I said, go ask a ten year old if he understands and agree's to that situation! Now I would like to talk a little more but I gotta go to work 7-7, maybe we can all meet at your favorite spot for a coffee at Tim hortons so we can discuss this matter in person so that when you talk stupid we can give you a slap upside your melon what your parents probably should of done along time ago!
babootzoo 9/28/2012 7:03:56 AM ReportThat was a misprint in my first story where I said that part where I agree that I think that we were guarenteed the bonus, but I didn't think that you dummies would of caught that! A mistake. We all make them specially when your tired!...:)
speed7 9/28/2012 7:39:33 AM ReportAnd some of you going on and on about teachers
Hmmm!? Well common sennse ? Do your part?
I'm sure Harper really appreciates that well rounded bonus of yours. Maybe He plans on buying another streath fighter plane with all those bonuses . And all the steel will come from Asia!
The wage freezes In the Ops started 5 years ago! You've been cushy and spoiled with wage increases bonuses and paid overtime in this timeframe.
I don't think it's the public sector feeling a sense of entitlement at all! more like the opposite. Gameco is right! Your all Just acting like wounded birds with a few ruffled tail feathers. need I mention the wages between the ops workers and tenaris? A laborer starting at over $30 an hour? Some of you need to wake up and smell the recession ! Those overtime shifts catching a snooze are long gone!
sinikka 9/28/2012 8:26:55 AM Reportbabootzo how soon everyone forgets that the tubular division was almost dead. Algoma steel could not make a go of it and decided to sell it. Tenaris bought it and gave this city about 600 plus good paying jobs. Now i here complaining that half the employees get a bonus and half do not. If you were the one of those getting it you would keep your mouth shut and eat your lil piece of cake. Nobody is entitled to a bonus . Look at your paystub where it says regular wages and be happy you are getting it. If you are not then get another job period.
melvin_smiley 9/28/2012 8:29:23 AM ReportA labourer at tenaris makes $18.75 to start. Thats $10 less than what they used to get 10 years ago when tenaris was owned by algoma. Everyone complaining on here don't know what your talking about cause your fat but forgot cause your stupid. Any personal msg's can be sent to me directly at yousuck@life.com
rolexxx 9/28/2012 8:44:47 AM ReportWell said baboo. The responses still have no idea what you are talking about. I explained the birthday party and stanley cup analogy to my 3 year old and he got it. I guess he wont be cut out for the public sector either. Way too smart.
rolexxx 9/28/2012 8:58:05 AM ReportHey "I'm In"...You might want to try spell check. It works for my 3 year old as well. If you read my comments, I dont even work there. As for the dumb as nails comment...I am even dumber than nails, but I am smart enough to put those nails somewhere where they will cause you excruciating pain.
P.S. Look how cute. All the Public Sector employees being keyboard tough guys. All together now... awwwwwwwww.
Now let's all put on our sweater vests and tell everyone how busy our jobs are.
GEMACO 9/28/2012 10:15:44 AM ReportJUST FYI... i have never complained about my job or compared who works harder.. or anything like that, but when someone complains that they spent money that they never had, it made me think that you should understand that we have been feeling the same squeeze for the last 3 years...and now have at least 2 more years. Think twice before hammering OPS guys about wages and salaries... I understand the work you do, and respect it! you should be compensated for what you do and I the same. But it is pretty dumb to go out and spend $$ you don't have and then complain about it... that's all the point i was trying to make. sorry if i hurt your feelings... now go rub the soot off your face, you have another 12 hour shift to finish.
BrianS 9/28/2012 10:25:10 AM ReportAlot of people getting off topic here!
If you are making a good wage like these employees do and have already spent this bonus then I think you have some bigger issues, like learning how to budget and live within your means! You can't count on a bonus! Lets face it, most companies will screw you out of a bonus any chance they can so why put yourself in the position of depending on it. As for the argument that mgmt got it but the rank and file did not, again, are you surprised? That's life, mgmt gets their perks and the little guy gets screwed. And besides, without more information it's pretty hard to compare. Is the benchmarks to get the bonus the same for mgmt and the employees or is it totally different? Hard to say with the info posted here regardless of any postings that try to simplify the issue with silly little birthday cake comparisons. Sorry, life isn't that easy, time to grow up buddy and face the fact mgmt and workers get treated differently all over whether most think its fair or not!
And as for all the back and forth comparing OPS work with labour jobs. Seriously? Two different jobs that really unless you have worked both you can't compare and just sound silly. OPS has had cutbacks and wage freezes at the lower levels for years now and the general response on sites like this is "too bad, your overpaid" so of course the response from OPS workers on this story is going to be "right back at ya"!!
Regardless it sucks that there was not more warning if this is the first time there will be no bonus. A hard lesson learned to those families that are counting on this as part of their regular income.
Barf breath 9/28/2012 11:15:56 AM Reportprivate sector, public sector..
do as your told and quit complaining, our masters need more luxury
GEMACO 9/28/2012 1:20:44 PM Reportrolexxx - Its cardigans not sweater vests !!!!! get it right!!!!
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turbochrg72 9/28/2012 1:36:38 PM ReportOMG some people need to give their heads a shake. If you don't work or have family members working at Tenaris you shouldn't be running off at the mouth.
I actually do know both sides of this situation as I personally work in the OPS and YES they are the cushiest jobs EVER and your lying to yourself if you think otherwise and I have a family member working in Tenaris. A week in these fellow work boots would give most of you heart attacks. And because they work in a mill, attacks on their intelligence is astounding, there are many extremely intelligent tradesmen working in the mill, for about $23-$25 hour not the $35+ jobs a lot of OPS have.
Here's a perfect example OPS is currently hiring a customer service clerk, requiments: grade 12 and don't even need to know how to type wage rate hold on to your hats $24.74 -$27.85 for 36.25 hrs weekly heres link to confirm. http://www.jobbank.gc.ca/detail-eng.aspx?OrderNum=6666715&Source=JobPosting&CmmGrp=GON019&Sources=JobBank,&OpPage=50&Stdnt=No&PgNum=
Most of us have NO idea what it's like to work a 12 hour shift, and think nothing of it. If you know someone who does you'll see the toll it takes on them. If you have a cushy job love it, appreciate it and thank the government for the wonderful set up you have. Stop trying to get public sympathy and for F&^* sake don't attack hardworking people and sound in where you shouldn't be.
The bottom line is the company has set the precident of paying bonuses and set an expectation of it this year and paid half the staff, with actually NO notice or explanation to most of the production or maintenance staff until they read about it in SooToday like the rest of the Sault.
Oh by the way the OPS how many sick days do you get a year, teachers 20 for a ten month period, which can be banked and cashed out when retire, which can work out to almost two years of salary when cashed out. I say good for them, however how many sick days do the hardworking staff at Tenaris get. NONE,if your sick you don't get paid simple.
I love OPS, best dam jobs going, some co-workers get to run home and have 1- 1/2 hr naps for their lunch breaks before their missed. (Sound like you TRUCK??) Before you cry me a river about your 5 weeks vacation, full benefits and ridiculous wages - oh wait they've been frozen, they are still the best paying cushiest jobs in the Sault, go work a week in these fellows shoes before you say stop whining, be thankful etc...
This is a valid complaint Tenaris employees have. Tenaris has on the sweat of Tenaris maintenance and production staff beat all produciton records this year, but instead of rewarding staff as they have in past. They gave them a slap in the face and failed to actually give reason or notice regarding such. That's what this is all about. I'm sure the guys working today in the mill are feeling like beating production records today.
SPEED you need to actually be aware of the facts, you just sound like an ass. Come on, cushy wages in Tenaris, bonuses and raises. GO WORK A WEEK THERE!! And OPS are hard done by, oh come on even you can't believe that.
babootzoo well explained except I really think some still don't understand, yes my seven year old clearly gets the concept:)
babootzoo 9/28/2012 3:09:43 PM ReportFinally someone gets it!.....Thanks for understanding and well put also Turbochrge
GEMACO 9/28/2012 3:17:58 PM Reportwell put turbochrg72 - your missing the point though.... the comments were based on the argument that the person has spent the bonus money already. There was no intent to bash mill workers, OPS, BPS or any job, i think both jobs have different requirements and both are hardworking in there own ways...
Now you and others have opened the floor to try and make a point that mill workers are harder workers than the OPS, BPS and even Firefighters etc... work is work... you couldn't do my job and i couldn't do yours without the proper training, and in some cases conditioning:)... lifes a bitch sometimes... you don't like your job? workopolis is a good start...
babootzoo 9/28/2012 6:09:29 PM ReportGemaco the problem is that there are 600 people that work on the floor. Just cause one person wrote a letter saying they already spent that money doesn't mean the other 599 did or r whinning about it as most of you are stating. The mill is running full force and my life continue's and so does the rest of my bro's! But we won't forget about them big wheels splitting the TEAM up! That was a big mistake on their part and I really hope they get their shit together cause I got a funny feeling this might affect a lot of things come contract time next June! Hard to forget when you feed half the kids their share of the pie and they pretty much treated us hardworking employees that gave them those big profits like pheasants! Cheers to the folks that understand that one person doesn't represent the bunch!
A.E.D. 9/29/2012 9:04:13 AM ReportTHIS IS A UNION PROBLEM: The workers need to throw out thur union and get one with a back bone.Thur bonuses should have went in thur contract in writing,lead hands cant work for the company and the union they should make a choice, instead of being RATS for the company to get a title and more pay.Stand your ground workers as you are the ones making records for thur products,stick together work to rule,and show the company who makes the products that they reap the benefits from.When your contract is do tell the union your problems,get new union reps that are not pro-company,and threaten the union that you will be voting on throwing them out and getting a new union.If possible join together with the Essar union, as power is in numbers.So the bottom line is you have a union that doesnt work,but you pay union dues too.TIME TO THROW OUT THAT UNION AND GET A REAL UNION.
speed7 9/30/2012 4:47:01 PM Reportturbochrg72 the cushy jobs are in the plant. You coming in and admitting you work for the OPS and working where? I worked a public sector job at one time years ago and that is so for stretched from the truth. I dont know what work you did. But I busted my chops sometimes with no break no lunches. We busted our backs basically and then the government comes in after an election and chops all the hard working ones with little to nothing on the pay scale. At the bottom of the heap. Toss you out like a dirty sock, sorry no job for you tommorrow. You yourself know how in the OPS the government rules the roost! Did you take a look at the list of beurocrats and those thick salries above? Those are the cushy jobs. I knew of many steel workers making almost that much such as a foreman at the plant and they had numerous overtime shifts added to there normal work week. Hours that they spend sleeping the shift off on the job mostly.
speed7 10/2/2012 1:56:54 AM ReportTurbocharge
Ask a teacher what salary they start at? I have a family member working at tenaris as a laborer starting wage 30 bucks an hour! Ops employee ? About 19, A teacher around the same? Now after 5 tears he makes almost triple in wages at tenaris? Any one in the ops and a teacher has had wage freezes for the last 3 to 5 years. Not even enough to catch up with inflation????
You can talk about sick days and blow your brains out talking about it but fact is, you haven't felt any these kind of recessional cuts, most of you have no clue what it's like living with bare minimum salaries because your heads are too far shoved up your butt .I've heard so many comments from steelworkers voicing their jealousy towards government workers and teachers. It's disgusting. Do you realize some of you make what our CEO at city hall makes? And still you complain about teacher and ops salaries? Boy! some of you sure can shovel the S&$/T! Pretty good! You all make great wages . Why not just enjoy it? Stop being miserable, sheeeesh!
Barf breath 10/3/2012 12:12:05 PM ReportSpeed7
Your family member is lying to you. He or she does not make close to $30 an hour at Tenaris as a labourer. Not even top wage labourer makes that, let alone starting wage.
Camaro_Z28 10/4/2012 6:35:51 PM Reportjust a bunch of english hooligans
Barf breath 10/5/2012 9:32:20 PM ReportCamaro_Z28,
Bring you ignorant, hateful attitude back to wherever you come from.
SooToday.com has received a number of complaints from employees of Tenaris Algoma Tubes stating that they would not be receiving their expected annual bonus this year.
