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Federal job losses in Sault top 29. So far

Friday, September 21, 2012   by: Jordan Allard

When the budget was introduced last spring, job cuts to the federal service sector were expected in an effort to eliminate Canada’s deficit by 2015.

Alleging political gamesmanship behind the debt reduction target date, union representatives are frustrated with the government as they say a firmer idea of how many jobs are going to be lost becomes clearer.

The Public Service Alliance of Canada, a union which represents many of the federal employees whose jobs have been slashed, reports 29 jobs lost in the public service sector in Sault Ste. Marie since April.

“Northern Ontario was hit heavily,” said Rejean Amyotte, Northeast representative for the Public Service Alliance of Canada (PSAC). “Our public sector employees are starting to feel the cutbacks.”

Reported job losses from PSAC for the Sault since April include 11 with Resources and Skills Development Canada, seven with the Department of National Defence, five with Parks Canada, five with Canada Border Service Agency and one with Natural Resources Canada.

Sault Ste. Marie MP Bryan Hayes wouldn’t comment on the accuracy of PSAC's numbers, saying he needs to verify their credibility with government officials.

Hayes did say the differences between actual vs. affected job losses can cause confusion.

Hayes said affected federal service sector employees received notification of a potential job loss in the next three years as part of their deficit reduction plan and stressed the full scope of job cuts won't be known until the plan is completed.

“We've made a commitment that we need to balance our budget and one of the ways to do so is by reducing expenses,” Hayes said.

PSAC has spoken with economists who say the $21 billion deficit could be eliminated by 2018 without a reduction to public services and Amyotte feels the government's eye towards 2015 is based purely on political ramifications.

“A target has been set by the government to reach timelines by a certain year when an election is scheduled to take place,” he said.

In the Conservative's budget introduced in March, the federal government said 19,200 public service sector positions would be cut over the next three years in an effort to find savings of $5.2 billion.

“It has nothing to do with a potential election year,” said Hayes. “This is the management plan we've chosen to implement given the economic state of the world economy.”

Hayes said different economists project varying outcomes and the government's plan is based on conservatively wading through a fragile economy while strengthening Canada's growth.

“Unfortunately, there are going to be job losses,” he said.

Understanding a job loss in the north has more impact than in Southern Ontario where finding employment is easier - Hayes said these cuts are occurring across the country,

“Everything is being done equitably across Canada,” said Hayes. “Sault Ste. Marie hasn't been more negatively affected than anywhere else.”

Given the job cuts alleged by PSAC, Amoyette said locals can expect longer bridge wait times and a shorter season at parks and beaches.

“We've already seen a reduction in the length of the season,” said Amoyette, pointing to the early closure of Batchawana Bay Park closure on Labour Day weekend, rather than its traditional final weekend in Thanksgiving.

Hayes pledged the government is working to modernize services and best make use of Canadians’ tax dollars.

He pointed to an 18% reduction in expenses by ministerial offices across the federal government over the past two years as proof of those intentions.

“We can't spend ourselves out of debt,” said Hayes. “I'll fight the battle minimize any potential job losses in Sault Ste. Marie.”

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MuddFlap 9/21/2012 6:29:39 PM Report

Legalize marijuana. Tax the crap out of it. Deficit gone. Jobs created. Some criminal activity reduced. Bam.
Cam 9/21/2012 7:04:35 PM Report

I don't understand how forcing more people onto unemployment and social assisstance will help Canadas growth
UrsaMajor 9/21/2012 7:08:38 PM Report

^ Yup. Legalize prostitution and tax it as well.

"Here is my final point...About drugs, about alcohol, about pornography...What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, or take into my body as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet? And for those who are having a little moral dilemma in your head about how to answer that question, I'll answer it for you. NONE of your business. Take that to the bank, cash it, and go on a vacation out of my life." - William Melvin "Bill" Hicks (December 16, 1961 – February 26, 1994) was an American stand-up comedian, social critic, satirist, and musician. His material largely consisted of general discussions about society, religion, politics, philosophy, and personal issues. Hicks's material was often controversial and steeped in dark comedy. In both his stand-up performances and during interviews, he often criticized consumerism, superficiality, mediocrity, and banality within the media and popular culture, describing them as oppressive tools of the ruling class, meant to "keep people stupid and apathetic"
speed7 9/21/2012 8:22:37 PM Report

Hayes just blew 30 million in last years budget for nothing. Now unfortunately , he says there will have to be some job losses in 2012? I am willing to bet how much of those job losses will be in southern ontario? Probably mostly up here in the north where unfortunately his conservative party does not care a rats ass about.
tWISTED lOGIC 9/21/2012 8:25:37 PM Report

It's the responsibility of government to provide essential services. Sometimes those services can be provided more efficiently and economically by a kiosk than a person (espeically with what most unionized workers get -- they're pricing themselves right out of the market and PSAC's got to be among the worst.)

The last time I went to Service Canada, I had to listen to some ass drone on about himself for what must have been three hours, while he (eventually) processed my application. Give me a kiosk or a computer over that moron any day!
tWISTED lOGIC 9/21/2012 8:26:42 PM Report

Hey speed7 ... kiss my kiosk ... you're a jerk.
dob131 9/21/2012 8:27:39 PM Report

Yup
Bill_the_Cat 9/21/2012 8:41:48 PM Report

Job losses we could accept--to a degree. But many of these jobs are relocating to Thunder Bay, Sudbury, and Toronto.

Furthermore, managers seem to be targeting retirement age employees, or those with young families, knowing they are less likely to move. Those moving expenses can be quite hefty.

But it balances the budget in a bizarre sort of way.
ExWildcat 9/21/2012 9:01:41 PM Report

Saddy the job losses are not equal across the region. It just shows how Mr. Hayes is out of touch and sticks to the party line. The people in the Soo have either already been laid off or told to move to Toronto or Sudbury. The local affected letters mean layoffs. Go and talk to the Immigration office on Bay. Oops it is closed. Meantime Sudbury is getting tons of jobs as it is a growth hub. North Bay is getting 50 jobs for its new employment insurance processing centre, while the Soo office sits empty. Sturgeon Falls is getting new people for its Stats Canada office. The Timmins people are moving to the pension office. But the citizens of the Soo are paying down the debt with layoffs, decreased local GDP, and my favourite: paid parking for pensioners and EI recipients. Glad we could help.
Bill_the_Cat 9/21/2012 9:04:06 PM Report

Whew. Good thing we have a Tory MP.
speed7 9/21/2012 9:18:11 PM Report

twisted.
You can kiss your kiosk all you want. When it breaks down and it chews up your card though. You might not be all that "chipper" anymore. Take your potty mouth and wash it out with tons of soap moron! Learn some manners while you're at it! Jerk!
OMGWTF 9/21/2012 9:46:31 PM Report

OK so how many Provincial employees in SSM have lost their jobs in the last 2 years? The Federal footprint in SSM is very small compared to provincial employees and the Ont gov't has, and is preparing, to let a lot more go. The trickle down effect on lost wages will hit the city. Just look at the slowing real estate sales in the city, in part due to the Feds but more so on a lot of people not wanting to commit to anything big in fear of loosing their job.
rcamp211 9/21/2012 9:49:40 PM Report

i am not the sharpest tool in the shed but why would you pay a person for a job that is not there?
jim 9/21/2012 10:06:07 PM Report

that would explain why the border now has 3 lanes open... usually there's 5-6 people standing around inside, 2-3 outside and 2 lane's open...the image there is brutal , there should be more cuts there as they all seem to be grumpy also
frauleinbroomhilda 9/21/2012 11:38:11 PM Report

Start cutting jobs from the top and leave the hard working people at the bottom alone. I see alot of CALLUSED REARENDS in my workforce from bosses that give orders from their chairs and phones. Say good-bye to their jobs, federal, provincial, and all the REST!
JustAGuy2 9/21/2012 11:52:11 PM Report

Don't feel sorry for any of these employees. The millions of dollars in tax revenue that is dropped in Michigan could of saved these jobs. Get the picture people. There are many many jobs lost and we don't hear of those.
I'm In 9/22/2012 12:53:12 AM Report

JustAguy: your right on but we love you canadians overhere, so keep coming and even Stevie-E
Spyyder 9/22/2012 4:41:19 AM Report

There is always working as a security guard 500 to start make minimum wage and absolutely no benefits. And people actually spend thousands of dollars in school for this, sounds like a waste of money and time to me....
speed7 9/22/2012 6:13:19 AM Report

Jobs have been slowly lost since mike harris era and people who moved up to the sault to relocate with full time positions got chopped. These were the people on the bottom of the pay scale. Wage freezes have been ongoing since the 90's. The federal workers also in very rough shape. The beurocrates have always remained the same untouched.
euroman 9/22/2012 7:33:59 AM Report

The PSAC guy is full of nonsense. Batchewana is a provincial park. Not sure how the layoff of federal employees caused Batchewana to close early. Don't blame the feds for Dalton's mismanagement.

If you can't go to the beach you can always park a lawn chair on the side of the road and admire the solar panels. Paid for by your tax dollars and electricity bills.
neskantaga 9/22/2012 7:35:29 AM Report

Deficit reducdtion is all about politicians saving their own salaries and outlandish pensions. After all if the government went broke they might be out of luck
sinikka 9/22/2012 9:35:52 AM Report

OMGWTF what are you talking about when you make a statement about the slowing down of the local real estate market. There has not been any slowing down in our local market. In fact our market has been one of the strongest in ontario in the past 5 years. If you are going to make statements please do some research. Yes there are going to be job losses in the sault but we are not alone. When cuts are made they are made across the board , sault ste. marie is no exception regardless of who we have as our MP. The same people who cry about job losses are the ones lining up to gas up and shop across the border. Your perogative, but you are directly responsible for local job losses.
keeper 9/22/2012 10:54:53 AM Report

Lets automate Haye's job like they are doing with the unemploymemt jobs. The rep from Sudbury could handle the job with a little extra pay .....hey, we could start a precidence here in the Soo, sending all concerns by email. just think of the money the country could save by getting rid of obsolete MP jobs instead of them poised to give themselves a raise, while the grunts pay for it.
frauleinbroomhilda 9/22/2012 11:36:24 AM Report

Well put keeper. I think you hit the nail of the head. :)
bumbacco 9/22/2012 1:02:29 PM Report

Again as i send out those that read the budget cuts put 124000 people out of work in Ontario by the time it plays out.We need to stand up and make our mp mpp and our city council stand up and fight for what we deserve here in the sault. Is that not why we elected them? Don't take their awnsers, tell them what we want. Make them accountable as they awnser to us the hard working tax payers that pay their wages. Flood them with letters and phone calls,Demand that the 75,000 people in the Sault stop getting the political awnsers and start getting the truth where are we going? whats in store for us? Its not like its not already mapped out.They know their plan a long time in advance. Don't have parliment take a pay increase when people are loosing their jobs and cutting the amount that welfare hands out and the middle class gets hit with more tax and yet the rich get takes breaks...LETS GET REAL FOR A CHANGE
Jack Ford 9/22/2012 1:24:20 PM Report

If the jobs are being relocated, then where is the cost savings? Some (not all) federal jobs pay moving expenses as well!??? Wouldn't that actually cost more?

That being said everyone knows that working for the Feds in any area pays 20 - 30 percent more than working for the province. And the province pays 10-20 percent more than the municipality jobs. (unless your name rhymes with Fra-Sneezey)

Civil service can be quite lucrative but I guess my confusion is this.

If the Provincial government is bad for waste and the Federal Government is bad for using cut backs.....then who is good?

If corporations require cut backs then what makes the government exempt?

Sorry for the scattered thought processes today, but it's Saturday. And I don't know Jack....




ExWildcat 9/22/2012 3:08:21 PM Report

I have no idea why people like to say the Feds make 20-30% more than the province. That is one of those staetments, that if said enough times, people start to believe. The Province makes more than the Feds, by far. Feel free to look at the respective contracts on the PSAC and OPSEU websites. Take a look at today's Sault Star and see where Public Admin. stands in salaries. Take out the big money from the executives in Ottawa and Toronto and what do you think the field level staff in the Soo make? Geeze people. You miss the point. These jobs are moving. The work is there but it will be done by people in Sudbury. Why are we getting hit harder than any other Northern Ontario community? Your taxes aren't going down locally, just your services. Some mean spiritied people want it both ways. They want anyone who they think has it better than them to lose their jobs, but bitch when they wait in line for a passport, or can't get through to the EI line to talk about their claim, or can't get their immigration issues cleared up, or when human smugglers make it across the border... or there are no jobs for your kids. Tell them to move to sudbury. No use trying to convince anyone, but when people state "facts" make sure they are from this universe.
speed7 9/22/2012 3:44:19 PM Report

I agree wildcat. These bullying type people are worse than than a one graders when it comes to maturity. When the services suck and you cant get things done in a quick and efficient manner because all the jobs have been cut back... dont complain then. Where do you think they will start cutting?
AceOfBass 9/22/2012 4:00:17 PM Report

Let us take a trip down memory lane with the voting record of our former city Councillor MP Bryan Hayes.

At the 2005 Budget, voted to reduce increased snow removal
from $500,000 to $124,650, a cut of 75%. He has no problems cutting essential
services AND raising taxes.

Hardly conservative!

Funding outside agencies such as the Innovation Centre, using your tax money to help 61
employees of the City make $100,000 plus a year, approving millions in irresponsible cost overruns and helping drive up the city’s debt .

Hardly conservative!

Voted to give core funding to the Innovation Centre in the 2006
Budget, adding an annual levy on residential tax bill.
Innovation Centre was
supposed to be self-sufficient in 5 years. Since 1999, they have received Millions.

· Supported 233% increase to Council’s travel budget allowance. Hardly Conservative!

· Supported hundreds of thousands of dollars of taxpayer money for multimodal studies in the last decade that have amounted to virtually nothing!

· Supported a decade of world travel for former mayor to essentially do the job the EDC is funded to do. Did not ask for follow up reports on most of
the trips which resulted in no tangible economic benefit to the city

· Supported taking $6.5 million from capital works project (road repair)

in 2005 and using that to pay for Second Line truck route, whose cost overruns were $5.2 million. The $6.5 million was not used for road repair in 2005.

· Supported $5.2 million cost overruns on the truck route

· Supported over $17 million in cost overruns on the east end sewage ,All this is you guest it Hardly Conservative!

Are we better off now than we were before MP Bryan Hayes was elected?

Last time I checked we elected a Conservative MP.It seems and looks like we elected a undercover Dipper!

We are supposed to be getting more not less any loss of a federal job is a disaster for tow the party line Hayes

He did it on council and he is doing it again. Hayes is making Tony Martin look good.
speed7 9/22/2012 4:37:19 PM Report

Ace of Bass, your memory lane trip was entertaining to say the least. Who was the undercover dipper? I think I may know but if its who I think it is... Yeeppppp! What else is new. Those 2 golden pensions must be serving former MP very well... nice.
girlfriend 9/24/2012 9:11:26 PM Report

Bottom line is the government, both provincial and federal overspend. Have you ever seen their severence packages and pensions? They need Gail Vaz-Oxlade to help them make a budget and stick to it. Don't turn on the workers at the bottom of the pyramid - take a look at the top!
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