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How is CAS a bully? Aren't they looking after children! Not every parent makes the correct choices for their children, or for themselves for that matter, REGARDLESS of religion, colour, creed,or sex. So to say CAS is a bully, in reality those parents who have their children removed from a bad situation, they were the bully, and they got a "punch in the nose" as you say. Hopefully ALL parents who have had to deal with CAS get that "punch in the nose" and snap to reality and do what needs to be done to get their kids back to where they belong, WITH THEIR FAMILIES!
Just to respond to the CAS comment- If you want to keep your children in Native homes then your people need to step up to the plate. And as far as standing together Nation to Nation thats a good idea I know of Reserves where your people are living like people in third world countries right here in Canada. If it's because of the Goverments neglect then instead of fighting over the POT$ help your needy people!
once again, maybe if you knew the history of what these organizations has done to first nations people, you would know. tired of the ignorance. you really think Joe would just throw out the letters CAS for no just cause reason? try, just try and educate yourselves on the origins of what so called child welfare systems has done to first nations children and parents, here's a hint, google 60s scoop. then maybe, MAYBE, you'll understand -unlikely- what the relations has been with government systems. maybe, you could also think outide the government controlled box you live in, and for once think that first nation communities are quite capable of their own solutions, their own healing, their own teachings... shame goes back on you for thinking that CAS had the answers, when the communities are more than capable. learn the circle of life, every person in the community has a role in a baby, young child's life.
There are more First Nations children in care than both the 60's scoop and residential schools put together.
CAS plays an important role and they are also known to stay longer in families lives after the protection issue has been addressed or challenged and proven false. CAS is a stressful entity in peoples lives.
However, the essence of Joe's letter is about unity and looking at the bigger picture where I believe he is asking us to address the lateral violence in our communities. I would also wish that there could be a way that both communities (native and non native) could live in a more respectful way with each other. Certainly, education and understanding is needed to build bridges between us.
I personally feel sick what I read in this comment section. I don't mind people challenging us in a respectful educated manner. Its the ignorance and racist comments that bother me; and Soo today allows these comments to continue and that is where I think we should be addressing this issue.
Just like soo today to stir the pot. Why even print a ridiculous letter like this. Do you want to see hatred in print , just watch the reaction from the readers. I think it is time to go to another news media as this one is not reporting news , just trying to create it. Amateurish at best.
The term 60's Scoop was coined by Patrick Johnston in his 1983 report Native Children and the Child Welfare System.
It refers to the Canadian practice, beginning in the 1960s and continuing until the late 1980s, of apprehending unusually high numbers of children of Aboriginal peoples in Canada and fostering or adopting them out, usually into white families.
Reder (2007) reports that the adult adoptees who were the subjects of this program have eloquently spoken out about their losses: loss of their cultural identity, lost contact with their natural families, barred access from medical histories, and for status Indian children the loss of their status.
An estimated 20,000 aboriginal children were taken from their families.
This government policy was discontinued in the mid-’80s, after Ontario chiefs passed resolutions against it and a Manitoba judicial inquiry harshly condemned it.
Since when is 30 plus million dollars all accross bands of northern ontario considered to be " Sraps"! That isnt a reacist statement ? Its a question? There is a difference between the two? Throw down that defense steel wall and open up for a change?
Same girl as I mentioned earlier, we were filling out an application for an apartment for her and the landlord said to her with beaming pride:
"This is a really good building, we won't rent to any dirty indians or anything"
The girls eyes dropped and she started to well up with tears.
I was shocked, I felt like punching that bully in the nose.
I tore up the application and threw it at the landlord and told her she should change her ways, this girl is full of native blood and you just insulted her entire family, and I wouldn't let her live there with a racist pig.
I grabbed her hand and walked out.
Then for sure she knew. She knew what her Mom and others faced. She knew that because she was blond haired and blue eyed she would not have to face the same racism they did and still do.
It made me angry, but most of all sad.
Moral of the story, watch what you say and who you say it to, it could literally devastate an innocent kid.
I can not believe the racist and ignorant comments on here! The more I come to this site, the more I hate it because they go too far with the freedom of speech crap. It's like a violent free-for-all. People kicking and punching each other with words instead of their fists and feet.
Regarding CAS, they gave me a roof over my head and food. THAT'S IT!!! Not everybody who becomes a foster parent has kind hearted motives...there are times when those kids are nothing but a source of income.
Well, the enemy list can go either way, but it'd come down to stereotypes and natives that aren't. CAS has done horrible things in the past, however if you look at things today, few children are sent off reserves, the majority living with the grandparents. In regards to the stereotypes, yes there are situations where CAS needed to step in, there is no way a person can justify a child not being fed properly just so the parent living off welfare can drink and party every night. Now that isn't directed to encompass the entire population, just there are situations that are like that. I do agree that the police have had a tendency to racially profile but that isn't just natives. The MNR is something that should be embraced, it's focused on the conservation and proper access to resources that could easily be wasted by overfishing and hunting. If the bands actually communicated with the MNR there'd be a lot less confusion on the rules and regulations. The letter itself I think should've been written in a much more positive way, instead of singling out the government, I believe it should've focused on the problems directly on reserves. An example of a big problem, is certain families being able to control elections for chiefs, so rather than a qualified person overseeing the governments money it's a simple man that doesn't pay taxes and makes an absurd amount. Factor in a family business and you can see how shady certain reserves can be. Although it's funny when the only people going for election are from the same family and actually fight over things.
Indeed a sad story sault todayer, and we wonder why the suicide rate amongst aboriginal youth is one of the highest in this country... Having to deal with ignorant stereotypical sheep like the ones that hide behind their computer`s all day promoting hatred??
Hate the police, but only when they're not racing to your house at 100km/h because someone is trying to kick in your door.
Hate CAS, but only when they're not taking away children born two weeks ago (to a white mother) addicted to cocaine, who trembles and cries out because she was born with an addiction she never asked for.
Hate the MNR, but only when they're not protecting our wildlife from poaching and invasive species and dangerous hunters hunting at night, or from inside their vehicles.
I don't know enough about what Indian Affairs does to comment.
Also, keep perpetuating the belief that the white man is out to keep you down. When does the responsibility fall back on the Native population? I have so many Native friends with good jobs and good educations and I never hear them complaining about the government, except what we all complain about. I hear them speaking to the fact that they got a free college education and actually got paid to go. While I worked a full time job during my summers off and part time while attending school just to be able to pay for it, and I still came away owing OSAP almost $10,000.
I understand that Natives were in Canada long before the Europeans settled here. But everyone came from somewhere else. Life didn't begin in Canada, even Natives were once living somewhere else.
We are all the same, every person on this planet. When we realize that maybe we can move forward and stop placing blame on others and look within ourselves for a solution.
INDIANS ARE ALL BAD PEOPLE AND EVERY WHITE PERSON IS GOOD...said no one ever in this lifetime with half a brain
There are bad people in EVERY race. If some poor white child is subjected to crack cocaine and booze abuse everyday and CAS puts them in a good native household with good values and a good environment to grow up in, WHO CARES. AND VICE VERSA. Color shouldn't matter, values and taking care of young kids should.
Now I wait for all the idiot comments like "What native home is sober?" and "I don't think any Indians have jobs."
clooch that is a very sad story. I do sympathize reading that. It happens and you just have to let it pass and move on. Some people are just plain ignorant you cant do much of that.
In the national news section on this site read the article with the headline about the deadline for residential abuse victims. It will enlighten you about the canadian gov. And catholic church. Of course it will probably spark rude comments and ignorance too as it seems no matter what the story is there are always the racists lingering.
"In the national news section on this site read the article with the headline about the deadline for residential abuse victims. It will enlighten you about the canadian gov. And catholic church. Of course it will probably spark rude comments and ignorance too as it seems no matter what the story is there are always the racists lingering."
It teaches me that forgiveness can be achieved with the right amount of zero's.
CAS has taken a lot of kids out of danger, native and non-native. I worked with many natives over the last 40 odd years, all hard workers, but most of all, very likeable individuals. As for the post about the Landlord, a few can be cruel and ignorant, if one said what the poster said, then with him as a witness, that Landlord stood to be in big trouble. I have a hard time believing that actually happened.
I guess by making it a "feature" column, and by tricking people with a catchy headline, then at least a few people will read this thing. Otherwise, highly doubtful. Pity the AU students who sign up for this guy.
Perhaps Algoma U could set their standards a little higher. My statement is a bit radical, I know that. I also know that this column is quite radical also. As the frustrated one's say, whatever!
There are too many misconceptions by comment posters to respond to, but one fact remains true. More than 50% of the children forcibly taken from their homes and families to attend residential schools, did not make it out alive. I'm just putting it out there as "one small fact" to consider, for the naysayers. Just one...and there are many more.
Ya maybe with the right amount of zeros but not the amount given there! Gimme a break
And by the way I don't remember reading about forgiveness. At best it's a lame compensation attempt.
Kinda makes me wonder about your profession hatch, are you a clergy member or do you always support rapists, kidnappers and di ddlers?
What people fail to understand or don't care to is that the native people's identity, heritage, culture and language was raped and beaten out of them. Some of these kids who only spoke their language were beaten for simply not speaking English. As a result of these schools the kids who were forced there and made it out didn't pass along the culture and language fearing that the next generation would endure the same treatment. And ya as a result a lot of the people who are kids of the abused were taught nothing and had harsh upbringings thru alcohol abuse turned out the same way probably from a lack of identity.
I could go on but back to my original response is that I can't believe that people can support these monster rapists. It's mind boggling...
I think what you fail to understand is money fixes little in what you're describing yet it is still sought. Not only is it sought, it is believed to lack the value necessary for compensation. The pains and agony suffered in the past will only remain there when each and every person affected by it to chooses to stop giving it energy.
Of course you haven't read about forgiveness. Why would anyone want to try to do that and get their life back one piece at a time.
As for your comment about "are you a clergy member or do you always support rapists, kidnappers and di ddlers?"
Can't help you with that but you may find what you're looking for on Craigslist
This weekend we've decided to feature his column for your viewing, and listening, pleasure."
This weekend sootoday thought it would be necessary to feature this article. Why? We have heard these things before even though today's society had nothing to do with yesterday's wrongdoings.I find mr. corbiere's column racist and a direct promotion of hatred. I am sure that there are those of native background in the government , the CAS, and the MNR. Instead of directly attacking these institutions why not work to make them better. Instead mr. corbiere tells you to punch the bully in the nose.The racist comments that you have read here are no worse than mr. corbiere's. Mission accomplished sootoday.
Christina216 - I read every word, every sentence of Joseph Corbiere, a native of Batchewana, sessional professor at Algoma University, and a editorialist at SooToday.com , plus every other posted comments by all the other poster's & came up with the assumption that you should never have posted your (double) posts as they show you are biased 110 %. The racist comments through out were from beginning to the end, starting in (Punch the bully in the nose) article by Joseph Corbiere. You stated that 'white man' was never mentioned. You seem to insinuate that it was another race. I beg to differ with you. For the past centuries, the natives have always said the 'white man' has abused them so badly. As to the article it made remarks against the Indian Affairs, CAS, MNR, Police, etc 'ALL' or 'MOST' of them 'White Man'. Both the whites & natives are to blame for the racist problems today, because of all the true & false comments created over the past centuries. I do not know why the natives feel that, what happened centuries ago should be relived on & on & on like a broken record. We should all scrap the past & begin living a civilized life together instead of tearing the Country apart as they are doing in some Countries overseas
To shadow We are not talking about predudice we are talking about politics for the reserves of course you are not native so you wouldnt understand, see joe corbeire was only making a statement for the natives .To educate them about being together not against each other has the election polls will soon be coming soon:).Like in nov we will have nomnation . we have to many cheifs not enough natives , yes the goverment has steped to far showing inside our people how to cheat on election , of course for the goverment purpose because they have the right people like puppets .Has a scrutinner for our elections i got too see right in front of my eyes how the goverment thinks we are stupid .All joe corbeire is saying wake up to our people lets not the goverement keep us fighting lets be has one together and then we will stop arguing among with each other , and the first thing we need is to get a new elector because he is paid by the goverement to cheat with our ballots sad but true . I think we need new elector every election , so they cant get use to the goverment money to cheat on our elections or freinds on our reserves so they can get more money from the reserve people to keep their postions instead of being for the people they are being for them selves and if u dont be on their side you get no help go figure that one .see the goverment is scared we can do or more then read and write now we have gotton our education and knowlege and wisdom . And you say lets be has one . let me tell you the french wants to run the country so are we rude to them, i like to know why we have to speak french they should have went to residentals schools like our ancestors, so they can only speak english and be proud to be canadian and not french from france and we wouldnt have to speak french in quebec and monteal .Now did we make anyone learn to speak native and if we are going to be one then i think french should be speaking english one choice like our ancestors was given .And you know if use had a chance to tell us to go back to our country , we would have been gone by now .But of course north america is where we are from like i said to many cheifs not enough natives , in other words to many bosses you know the chain of comand more bosses pass the buck down the line and the line is never ending . Seems to me only ones welcome in canada is everyone but natives. oh yes lets not forget Thanksgiving is coming up . shall we not have thanksgiving dinner anymore. let it not be a holiday because we have nothing to be thankfull for right!
So has long has the french can be french we can be natives. when the french speaks english and only one lauguage then come talk to natives. We can be proud just like the french, fair is fair right after all we dont have native language in one or two provinces like they do I like to know who gave them the right to keep speaking french and when we go there montreal and quebec we have to speak french, like we are in another country. I like to know how that became two french speaking provinces. oh thats right natives must have respect their language let them keep them proud who they are but in return we got kicked to the curb took our language and culture does that seem just about right !!!!
PS The signs joe corbeire is talking about are for us not for any other people . Just eduacating our people is all . That we need to start being freinds and family not eneimies like the Hatffields and the macoys but of course has has money rules it is the root of all evil we need to think of our ancestors and not money Has our ancesters didnt sell us for money
and some people forget where they came from the creatator give it and the creatator will take it and you cant take the money when you are gone take enough to live on has we always and not be greedy It dont matter how much money you make will never be enough . The more money you make the more you buy never ending
I beleve there is no reason anyone in Canada should be living in poverty like "3rd world countries" either. I so feel for this person and her story. I think the resources you receive are not going where they should. Perhaps you should speak with your elders or band leaders about it? I think there isnt any problem with questioning them once in awhile? To keep things honest. Bully's are everywhere. Even in our government. If you fight violence with violence though ... dont expect things to change much. If you want change you have to speak up and make it happen. I respect your culture ,your territory, your traditions. However, If you respect youself you should say something. Nothing wrong with fighting back just do it without violence. Just my 2 cents. Write up a comment on here and state who that landlord was? Shake things up maybe you might notice some positive feedback?
we got talent let us begin Lets think with our own brain Dont let people buy the votes This election beleive what the creator is sending us messages lets take our reseve back let elders say how the cheif and council rules us before they can make any decisions get the wisdom and knowledge from them !!back in the day beforemy timemany others that are running the band!! we should dream the dreamhttp://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3I4joKvlLAdJMay4S987vSiA6r6CR0Yj
nicley said speed but i thought of it same time you wrote it yes should be elders and listen to them and the ones that orginated on rankin reserve maybe because the were secluded from real life and rankin got what it takes to take care of band business for everyone not just for them selves just dont care who they step on for their big fat paychecks and other monies they can grab thru out the band instead of sharing jobs people keep more then one postions and collect many paychecks people need to wake up because they will soon turn against everyone they will rule they dont care who they will step on dont be a follower follow for our future generation STOP THE BULLyING !!!!! it is our choice for our kids and grandkids future lets not show them greed is the way of life!!
Shadow....he is talking about these organizations. not any race in general. Are you insinuating that every member of these said organizations are only "white people"?? like i said no where in his post does it mention white man.
To Norm- I'm not sure why you would find the story I passed along 'hard to believe'?
Oh - it happened, the whole experience is burned into my brain forever. I that landlord thought she would impress us with her disgraceful remarks.
She didn't.
I was so disturbed I went to MY mother to ask what I should do. She had a native friend when she was young in the 40s and 50s and saw some awful racism toward her and taught me very young how wrong it was. And that's saying something about what a good person my mother is, I wish a lot of my friends parents had the same outlook.
Her exact words to me about the whole debacle where "well you have to look where it is coming from, that lady is in her 70s and you can't change people that set in their ways, hopefully your reaction will at least teach her to keep her thoughts to herself, the new generation, your generation, has to change this way of thinking"
And I see a lot of people of my generation have failed.
There's one Creator, and the Creator looks at everyone equally, with love and the understanding that we're all sinners. Who loves the Creator in return, is another story. I now am leaning towards believing the landlord was of little, or maybe no, compassion.
miss sault Thank you so much for your honest feedback. See, isnt this much better than resorting to name calling ect.. I am not native myself. but I read a post awhile back that made me upset. A member said that the chief of batchewana has a new house, another house near torono, a boat, a buisness, a chip stand, a new truck ect.... then went on to say the cheifs family sold off their rights. That made me really disgusted. And seeing you people in poverty worsens the situation. Now while I understand the living conditions you face. I also understand why. Your people need to stand together and face these evil leaders in your tribe. Make a demand and have them explain where all this money is going. Question why he has a new truck, new house , a buisness. Better yet write your government and explain you are not satisfied with your leaders lack of honesty in the matter. Just a suggestion. Only trying to help. If you dont speak up nothing gets done.
I was only speaking up for our rights then i came to understand what they meant of bulling , see i was bullied all my life now i come to terms we r bullied everwhere even with the leadership of our band many stories coming out now i heard half of what u meantioned that the cheif has. But has time comes nearer for nominations IN NOVEMBER all kinds of backstabbing stories will come out so it will look good on the ones that are still in power they know how to work it in my opinion people need to stand up that being bullied from the band office if u voice your opinion you wont get help go figure now thats the bullying we are talking about but of course see what money can do to people when they were dirt poor before they saw the limelight we voted these people in because they didnt like the bullying now thew got the taste of the money they forgot why they got in power to treat everyone the same even if they dont belive in their ways after all we get counted for the money and the help we recieve every band member mean while they promise the houses who ever votes for them even back up 4 yrs down the road how long they promised them home so if we want the bullying to stop clear out everyone on cheif and council get a clean slate if we see any kind of bullying we can get them out next election our people dont know what bullying is we lived it all our lives but i belive what comes around goes around dont take from your people our ancesters lived this life now here in our generation still going on but one thing you cannot take all your all your networth when you leave this world there is no reason to be greedy and fortune and fame that was not what we signed them up for to be greedy take all the money and fame not once did we have that in writng i have seen alot in these elections on our land noone speaks up unless its the losing team .so batchawana first nations need to get rid of all the cheif and council and remeber promises can be broken there is only certain amount of houses can be built in one yr , they make it look good clearing the ground laying material on lots making them think their houses are being built wake up people
WELL THIS IS WHERE NATIVES CAME FROM AND THE CREATOR PUT US NATIVES HERE LIKE I SAID IF U COULD TELL US TO GO BACK TO OUR COUNTRY WE SURE BE GONE I REST MY CASE . JUST REASONS FOR WHY NATIVES SHOULD NOT GET WHAT IS THEIRS NOT WHAT PEOPLE IN CANADA SAYS WE CAN TELL USE TO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY BUT USE DONT LEAVE. WHY DONT U LIKE YOUR OWN COUNTRY OR I MEAN YOUR ANCESTORS CAME FROM THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A REASON WHY THEY HAD TO LEAVE THEIR COUNTRY RIGHT!!!
I am on disability i go to toronto every 3 months for botox needles in my neck . Now i am native so ontario disability tells me i need to get my travel money from batchawana first nations where i am from where we get money for band members i have been going to toronto since 2009 . I go to toronto western hospital , to the movement disorder centre , get about 10 needles when i go .the hospital faxes the date for my apointment almost amonths time notice quote the health department ask for at lest 2 weeks notice i give more than 2weeks notice so this morning the person in charge tells me she cant find me a room she always given me a hard time more in the past few yrs here goes the bullying see i voiced my opinion on here today they are cutting all they want cause they can she even ask me to cancel my apointment i said no i need my needles she waits last min to get my room , my apointment is on friday in the afternoon when she has more then a few days to book the room éwhen again she ask for 2weeks . so to me she has more then 2weeks notice from me but every 3 months she gives me a hard time now i got to have 250 bucks for the room deposit i scrape enough out of my 550 bucks amonth she didnt think id make it thanks to DELATA CHELSA they let me put half down. but every 3months i wonder if i have a room when i go to toronto. Now all the people get good rooms and ect i know one person on another reserve got training he stayed at ofr 6days at the marriot he was only 23.So it is who you know how ever they wish to treat you so today i had enough i am done taking the bullying when has a band memeber i should not have to put up with the bullying it is my right to get the right service the funds is there she gets a notice more then 2weeks there for she shouldnt call me tell me she cant find me a room and wants me to stay in a unheard hotel , when everyone else gets a great safe room .so has of now i dont know if she getting me a room cause i said i tired of this bullshit every 3 months cause i voice my opinion about the cheif and council cause i saw it all what happened in the elections all the cheating to get in so tell me if that is not bullying your own people .
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Punch the bully in the nose!
