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Catholic teachers defend students from bloated testing

Monday, September 03, 2012   by: SooToday.com Staff

NEWS RELEASE

ONTARIO ENGLISH CATHOLIC
TEACHERS' ASSOCIATION
 
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OECTA teachers protect the quality of education in the classroom

TORONTO - (Sept. 3, 2012) - Catholic school trustees are spreading misinformation and untruths to defend and maintain a bloated testing bureaucracy that exists within school boards and school administration, and whose only purpose is data collection, rather than helping students.


"Teachers who are with students every day helping them learn and develop are the best people to assess the type and frequency of testing tools that best suit their students," says Kevin O'Dwyer, President of the Ontario English Catholic Teachers' Association (OECTA). "The Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) recognizes that a teacher's professional judgement is the cornerstone of assessment and evaluation."
 

The Ontario Catholic School Trustees' Association (OCSTA) finds it objectionable that the MoU allows teachers to use their discretion regarding the timing, scope, frequency and choice of testing tools from a board pre-approved list.
 


"What could be objectionable about teachers using their professional judgement to determine student-appropriate assessment and using the results to improve student learning? This is the heart of teaching!" says Claire Laughlin, a member of the Professional Development Department at OECTA whose expertise is in student assessment.
 


"OECTA objects to board-mandated and repetitive diagnostic testing for the sake of data collection that tests and assesses the same things, requires large amounts of instructional and student learning time, while measuring progress in a few limited areas of the Ontario Curriculum," Laughlin adds. Boards already have access to large quantities of data from EQAO, which tests students in grades 3,6, 9 and 10, and from the report card data of each individual student. 
 


The MoU recognizes the value of assessment. However, instead of testing each student three or four times a year to collect data for data's sake, the MoU ensures reasonableness and consistency throughout the system for the benefit of students.

This will allow teachers more time for instruction and support of their students. 


"The fact that somebody could object to a highly trained teacher exercising professional judgment to the benefit and improvement of a child's learning absolutely astounds me," says O'Dwyer. 
 


To read the MoU and OECTA's position on student diagnostic assessment and fair hiring practices, visit www.oecta.on.ca

OECTA represents the 45,000 professional women and men who teach all grades in publicly funded English Catholic schools in Ontario.

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stuey 9/3/2012 9:56:32 AM Report

Ya too much testing might show teachers
up.
eug22 9/3/2012 10:40:58 AM Report

Stuey what do you know about teaching!
Snobank 9/3/2012 11:13:14 AM Report

Stuey has made a point. Obviously there should be some kind of literacy testing to be passed before the "stueys" are allowed to post.
speed7 9/3/2012 12:15:00 PM Report

If some of you would try the testing yourself you would be surpised that you might not pass it. I think the ministries guidelines have become too stupid, ridgid, difficult and time consuming. Waist of money. I guess the government wants to show they care about students before the cuts come down. When there is no money for your kids to have the opportunity to go on field trips, no sports, no extra cirrucular activities, No art and music programs as well... too bad! You wanted the cuts so eat it all up now. Take your kid to music class and pay with your own pocket now! Enjoy!
Zarm27 9/3/2012 12:18:01 PM Report

Not only can they now take a more structured approach to pushing children through a flawed education system that stands behind statistics rather than properly educated individuals, they can now fit it around their schedule since you never know when a teacher will go on strike.
speed7 9/3/2012 12:36:58 PM Report

If they go on strike good! Interrupt the classes make the parents babysit for a month or so. I love it!
thesharr 9/3/2012 12:39:18 PM Report

Times are different now,the children are not used to harvest on the farms.So,these summer holidays should be shortened to one month of summer vacation and the the other split up up throughout the year.
There is too much to teach and so little time.So more time thru the year in class,never mind cut out recess,less pd days and a little more focuss on the studies and the basics.My opinion anyway.
speed7 9/3/2012 2:11:50 PM Report

Most people in any field are entitled to vacation pay. If with a company for a long while you get around 6 to 10 weeks ,so, how is that any different for teachers who work year round then? I worked myself in a call center and we had that much paid vacation pay available to us. Plus paid holidays. Only difference was we got to take the paid holidays when we wanted to. Would you mandate they work all year with no vacation then? Hummm ... I dont see people choosing teaching as a field of choice much in the future because of people like you listening to the politicians rather than opening up your eyes yourself and using them instead.

Focus on the basics?? Have you seen what the ciruculum is even for a grade one student today? Very instense topics bieng taught and why? Your government manadated it to look like they are protecting your children. At the same time they keep cutting funding. Why? Public Perception ... that's why. And your children dont benefit. It only puts pressure on teachers with all this stupid ridgidity of the structure of how to write up a report card. Government's choose to waiste time and money. So where would our government have teachers focus on?, the stupid rigidity of writing up report cards or the students? So if the government cared they need to stop attacking teachers, educators are'nt the bad guy. They need to Change those rediculous ministry guidelines and stop making them look bad when we all know the challenges they face everyday with your children. They also have the challenge of dealing with the disabled and mentally challenged as well those with learing dissabilities. What upsets me is when parents yell at teachers when they are young and havent been identified as having a dissability yet at very young age. Teachers are not doctors. They do not medically diagnose your children. Doctor's do that. Be thankfull that a teacher is still able to juggle all of this under their belt. Soon you wont see teachers coming into the field. Your government put you in that position not educators!

thesharr 9/3/2012 3:31:01 PM Report

Nobody I know that works 35 plus years,shiftwork, weekends,3 shift rotating days off.For what 7 weeks max.The kids should be in school not at home for 2 months.Yes everyone desserves holidays, but not all at once.Book by seniority like everyone else,two weeks at a time.Designate what prime time is.This would create jobs for the new teachers coming into the system(holiday replacement.Everyone gets only so many weeks in prime time to make it fare to a max of 7 weeks of vacation,Hows that.
speed7 9/3/2012 3:57:08 PM Report

Shar you are too funny. Like your system is going to work. Oh wait!.... lets interrupt you kids lesson today and their schoolwork cause I want to take a week off. Then next week the other teacher wants to do the same? Like Duhh? Where did you come up with this one?
Either way you still would not be happy would'nt you? If you expected a baby sitter for 2 months well harper did introduce grants for your children and free babysitting. Put those to good use then? Stop complaining yourself like a little baby and take responsibility for your children. Dont expect your government to do it for you!
Have you factored in that teachers work long hours after the school bell rings to go home? NO? All those extra hours spent writing up those important report cards for your kids whom you parents dont give a flip about or even bother to read? So yeah that is alot of overtime and shifwork for teachers too! And no overtime pay either like you have the pleasure of receiving... the clock stopped at 3 pm. No overtime and no compensation for extra hours worked. When teachers leave the classroom at the end of June to say middle of August Yeah that would make 7 weeks . You think teachers just sit on their ass until after labour day and enjoy the holiday like you do? Not! They must prepare the classroom weeks before which takes long hours to do, buy supplies out of their own pocket which is hundreds of dollars worth, Not to mention meetings ect... ect. and again, more homework to take home before Sept 4rth. So yeah let's round it off to 7 weeks cause that is what its been all along goofball!
speed7 9/3/2012 4:22:08 PM Report

Ha! knowbody you know works 35 years and doesnt get 7 weeks ??? The call centers gave 10 weeks after working only 10 years. If your workplace doesnt give that to you well, that's your fault, not the teachers fault. Your jealousy towards teachers are nothing but jibberish to me. Your government brainwashed you to think this way and to base your opinions on pure jealousy.
The Harper government has spoiled you with grants and free baby sitting. and now you, the cry baby, who wants a summer free of the responisbilies of your children all of a sudden hates educators. I envite you then to become and educator, and face the challenges today. Put your words to action. then and only then, would you be credible . I am willing to bet you wouldnt touch that with a ten foot pole. No actually I dont have to bet, I know!
thesharr 9/3/2012 4:25:00 PM Report

Wah...wah....wah.Stop your wining poor me.Is that what teachers do babysit?Give your head a shake.If you don't want the responsibility to teach or have the patients or the heart and are doing it for a job not for the love and compassion of teaching,your in the wrong field,wasted all your parents or GOVERNMENTS money whom want it back so better start liking what your doing, and have some cheese with that wine!
speed7 9/3/2012 7:07:49 PM Report

All that comes out of your mouth... Blahhh Blahhh Blahh! The ultimate Whinning teacher hater you are? I am not a teacher surprise ... surprise! Your whining and complaining shows your level of maturiy and how inexperienced you are. You have no idea. You never will because teaching is a responsibility and they do take their job very seriously. The government ensures that. Know one is saying that if they work in the field they hate their job and dont have the patients or the commpasion to do the work. That isnt the issue here. If it was all privetized like it will be soon. You would be very sorry. But its rotten people like you who want it for summer baby sitting that was my point. You telling the government what they should do to teachers. If You have a child, then it is a shared responsiblity and you need to do your job and stop puting blame on others for your miscomings shows how weak you really are and how gullible since the government has fed into your jealousy about teaching. People go into that field because they like to be teach children as it is a positive rewarding experience. Most times they give extra time and go out of their way to buy something for students at their own expense since your goverment refuses to, so that child can have a positive experience in the classroom. A teachers cares more about there classroom and the governement pretends to. Like this testing for example. It's really very stupid if you ask me. If anyone knows what is better for the kids in classroom its the frontline teachers. Not the goverment or the beurocrats who want to win votes in an election.
tonka 9/3/2012 7:45:13 PM Report

Well said speed7!!!!
sportsfan17 9/3/2012 11:01:41 PM Report

Should do it like the Aussies do it.

10 week term, 2 weeks off.
10 week term, 2 weeks off.
10 week term, 2 weeks off.
10 week term, 6 weeks off for summer.
Rinse and repeat.
polarbaron15 9/4/2012 12:44:33 AM Report

Speed7,

A valiant attempt at defending the teachers of Ontario. Unfortunately your opinion is flawed. Thesharr has a right to his opinion, flawed or not, as he like the rest of us, pick up the bill for the teachers. When any one of us stops paying our taxes is the day we lose our say in how things are run. You make mention of "If anyone knows what is better for the kids in classroom its the frontline teachers.", why have they not taken there case to the public. The teachers union is one of the richest entities in Canada. Right now both sides, Public and Teachers and going to the government, and government controls the power. Maybe the teachers should start their own propaganda campaign to win the public? The government is using the ancient strategy Divide and Conquer, perhaps getting the public on the teachers side will allow more traction in negotiations.
speed7 9/4/2012 8:04:36 AM Report

Polar bear, Uhhh, why have they not taken their case to the public????? For what descriminatories like you who hate teachers... like that is a brain fart of a plan you have isnt it??

Teachers arent the rich ones my dear polar bear , the government might be the one you are referring to and they would do a great job of dismantling education if given the opportunity. In fact its already starting. Do you want your kidd to go to a school that anyone can say what they want, do what they want, teach what they want? The rich entities you refer to are the government polar bear. If it werent for the union, your kidd would suffer severely in school. Because your government hates teachers just like you do! You are the one who is misinformed polar bear. Your mouth likes to shoot off but still, I dont see you or sharr trying to start a carreer teaching yourselves? Try it then if you , the " public " thinks you know better. Put your money where your mouth is!
Zarm27 9/4/2012 11:21:13 AM Report

It's funny how a story bringing to light how they're debating on the procedure of mandatory testing by schoolboards turns into a flamefest, instead of just being people sharing their opinions on how things should be approached. I believe thesharr was trying to point out how children during summer aren't doing anything productive, and where I don't really disagree I'd add in that most children don't maintain what they've learned and at the start of the next schoolyear require a refresher for the first month. The testing isn't concrete and has many variables during elementary so really I don't see the purpose, and would agree that they should be focusing on the foundation of knowledge during those years due to unseen variables between the other children. Such as disabilities and other obstacles that may not fully develop until teen years. I do also think all people should get an annual raise to reflect the COL increase each year and in regards to teachers the cost of supplies is a write off. I don't agree with any organized groups holding a noose around the country just to prove a point, it's childish and really affects how the country operates. I would also say only about 50% of teachers actually originally desired to be teachers, and those usually turn out to be fantastic at their job and truly care about the education given to a child. However the rest are generally people that attended college and university and attained a degree in a field that they were passionate about, which is wonderful, however after graduating they usually find out that there's no dream job waiting for them, and end up settling for whatever they can get. Imagine an art teacher teaching grade 3's, they may be fun teachers but they wouldn't feel satisfied, also on that same line of thinking a PD days would be especially important to keep them from losing too much acquired knowledge and to approach any possible scenarios in regards to teaching. Also, teachers as a whole wouldn't be rich, the only exception are the ones that've been doing it for 40 years and were asked to retire, and were later rehired due to their being a lack of teachers to fill the void, those people make around $70k a year. In comparison a newly graduated tradesmen or other field that's in higher demand would bring in over that.
Also, too many adults are horrible at spelling, if the schoolboard doesn't address this issue, I can see the future being a world where people rely on spellcheck for everything.
speed7 9/4/2012 6:15:48 PM Report

And there are too many stupid, ignorant teachers haters like you who really spoil it for everyone else. Its nice to hide behind the computer and attack. Why have you not taking on teaching then? Huh? Try it? What a mass of moron's. Like three little witches with brooms and a bone to chew on.
speed7 9/4/2012 9:28:08 PM Report

All you teacher haters have never known what it is like to teach in a classroom. Now all of a sudden you wrote the book on teaching. Have you witches with broomsticks even read this article throughly? It's all in the explained in the heading. Do you really beleive that the school board heads and administrators care about your children? No. The point is this testing makes no sense. Beurocrates pushing the pen on paper getting paid way much more than you and I can ever dream of.

As the articles says:

"OECTA objects to board-mandated and repetitive diagnostic testing for the sake of data collection that tests and assesses the same things, requires large amounts of instructional and student learning time, while measuring progress in a few limited areas of the Ontario Curriculum"
"This will allow teachers more time for instruction and support of their students."

Teachers are not mandating the curriculum. The government does that. Teachers are highly trained in their field and in ministry guidelines. They dont do there job because it fell into their lap and settled for it being unhappy. Your 50% figure of teachers stuck in the field because they were not successfull at another degree is totally moronic. PD days stand for Proffessional Development . It has nothing to do with expanding a teachers knowledge. They are expected to take courses to do that at their own expense inorder to gain the knowledge. It doesnt happen in one day. We are talking about the course of their entire career. Teachers dont teach for fun. They take it seriously because they love to work with children. It's not a party. Its hard work.

How many people that you yourself know are entirely satisfied with there employer or there job in general? Not a heck of alot. What the hell does this have to do with this student testing anyways? If the union has an opinion about this testing to prove their case to the goverment they have a right to do that. I dont see the harm in saving valuable time spent on this useless testing and focus on something more important ....Your Kids!

speed7 9/5/2012 10:11:39 PM Report

Thanks for agreeing with me Tonka. There is always 2 or 3 teacher haters who seem to enjoy responding to my posts and play stupid mind games . It's that "witches with broomsticks factor". These morons are the ones who need some serious professional development in the brain! But you never hear them say where they work and what income they make a year huh?

Also I would like to go to their employer and push my nose around demanding things to be taken away like paid holidays, etc .... see how fast they attack. But its ok for them to attack and descriminate and become the dictator for our hard working teachers. Yeah , teachers need to show their case to the public remember? I guess they feel entitlement. Losers who do not want to look after their children over the course of the summer shows pretty bad taste and lack of responsibility as a parent. Saying that their kids loose all the information learned during the course of the school year is a bunch of bull. They retain more information than any adult ever can. If they had teacher training on child brain development they would know that. That's just an excuse to be lazy. No worries.... I'll sure set them straight!
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