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Wednesday, June 11, 2014   by: The Soap BoxWelcome to the SooToday.com View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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Snobank 6/11/2014 6:49:51 AM Report

Vote early, vote often.
soowat 6/11/2014 7:50:54 AM Report

Conservatives believe that the fact that ice hockey is being played in Los Angeles in June is proof that global warming is a myth.

Dave Letterman
Javaman 6/11/2014 7:54:36 AM Report

Lets hope voters are not so turned off they decide not to bother voting. This is the year we need to make our intentions known.
irishfey 6/11/2014 8:29:15 AM Report

Morning folks... I'm still not sure of who to vote for. I know of many that just don't vote and then get upset at the Government that is in. Makes no sense to me but if one don't take the time to vote then be quiet at the outcome of things and the way things are run. YOU have a voice in this matter.. Use it!!!
Budster 6/11/2014 9:03:36 AM Report

What is your take on Dodges comments about investing in infrastructure and slowly paying down the debt with increased productivity rather than slash and burn debt to less than GDP.
I think by investing in infrastructure there will be people that find themselves a nitche and then create more business trying to make a life for themselves.
Zing 6/11/2014 10:28:08 AM Report

Budster, it's high time to increase taxes so that we can pay down some of the billions owed, IMO, but it seems everybody wants to cut taxes and spend more.

How does that make any sense?
Budster 6/11/2014 10:40:58 AM Report

Zing:
My thoughts were if they invest in infrastructure, more jobs are created, with more people working, the tax increase doesn't need to be too high because we will have more money going into the pot. Taxes are going to increase anyway. Working on infrastructure some people will find things they can create a business from thus putting more people to work. I think it would be better for the economy with more people working rather than cut services.
dirtybeard 6/11/2014 11:09:42 AM Report

About the catholic board and the pride parade - they have misread their bibles, god actually hates figs:

"And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet. And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. ... And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots." Mark 11:13-14, 20
Wisenheimer 6/11/2014 11:44:17 AM Report

I believe the bible mentions that a man, laying with another man is a tad awkward.
redranger 6/11/2014 11:52:08 AM Report

Wisen
..you mean lying?
cathyh 6/11/2014 11:53:45 AM Report

Budster: I totally agree with you on the infrastructure spending and its spinoff results in the economy.
Zing 6/11/2014 12:15:24 PM Report

Budster, I agree, infrastructure seems to be the LAST thing to be addressed in this day and age....seems everybody wants to leave a legacy. Then when something goes wrong, the feds have to step in as well as city and provincial governments.
Infrastructure would create jobs; we all need more workers paying taxes.

It would make sense to give corporations a break IF they hired new workers. It would NOT make sense to give them a break so they MIGHT hire more workers.

Just Curious 6/11/2014 12:33:34 PM Report

Another story the comments are disabled on... Why do they allow any posting on stories ?? There is gonna be negative feedback on virtually any story, for pete's sake, get over it....
Notperfect 6/11/2014 12:52:25 PM Report

I strongly support OECTA's support of the PRIDE parade. There have been gay trustees, gay administrators, gay employees, on the HSCDSB - as in numerous other boards. There still are. What message does Trustee Rosilius's motion state to our colleagues and friends? I am not surprised by her motion. Knowing her, I believe that she would have a 'witchhunt' to get rid of gay people.
I am disappointed that the motion passed.
flyhawk25 6/11/2014 1:05:02 PM Report

Before any one gets too excited about the Catholic board's stance on the gay pride parade or the union position consider this.
The trustees are just supporting the official stance of the RCC.
And the union is supporting the will of its members.
No wiggle room for either side so nothing will be resolved.
It is just political posturing.
Relax and move on.
Snobank 6/11/2014 1:31:45 PM Report

Didn't Adam originally name the fig Neuton?
Snobank 6/11/2014 1:35:01 PM Report

Fly, when a representative of Ontario s official religion takes a position that is anti human rights they must be called out. To do otherwise is irresponsible.
dirtybeard 6/11/2014 1:48:21 PM Report

Snobank, Ontario has an official religion? When did this happen?
Just Curious 6/11/2014 2:22:09 PM Report

And now they are striping the comments on here about it !!! C'mon, Sootoday, you are getting a bit carried away with this crap. People are entitled to an opinion, either way.. I, personally, don't give a darn either way as I have family on both sides but you guys are getting a bit ridiculous...
Just Curious 6/11/2014 2:24:05 PM Report

Sorry about that... Now they are back on on here.. Somebody screwed up somewhere...
irishfey 6/11/2014 2:44:21 PM Report

Pride Parade?? Who cares!!.. I don't need to go to T.O to see bare butts and lewd behaviour,lol... What Political Party is going to raise the O.A.P and cut the gas and hydro bills???..... That's what i thought!
Right Winger 6/11/2014 3:02:06 PM Report

Re. the Catholic School Board's decision, funny how those who want others to be tolerant are themselves intolerant.
notpc 6/11/2014 3:05:51 PM Report

Irishfey

I'm with you on this one. When even a lot of sensible gay people are embarrassed by the behaviour at Pride parades, I figure the best thing for me to do is to do what my gay friend does. Just ignore the whole thing and focus on more important issues.

Like how it looks like the provincial Liberals might even get a majority, according to an article in the National Post. I've predicted all along that gullible people in this province will not vote for the party that tells them the truth about our finances and what must be done, but will go for the Liberals who tell them that they can have it all and never have to pay the piper. It's reminiscent of people who have a big mortgage, their credit cards are maxed out, but they think they can still buy a new car every 3 years and fly to the Caribbean every year.

Then when it all comes crashing down they can't seem to figure out how they ever got into such a mess. Sooites and others may be just as confused if the day comes when their major employers pack up and move to other jurisdictions because it's too expensive to stay in Ontario. It's happened to 300,000 employees in the province already, so there's no reason to think it can't happen here.
notpc 6/11/2014 3:18:22 PM Report

Here's an article in the G&M last fall about the impact Ontario's electrical policies (created by the Liberals) is having on Ontario's manufacturers. Notice what competitive jurisdictions have to offer with respect to power prices.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/ontario-drives-manufacturers-away-with-overpriced-electricity/article14854752/

That's what we'll get more of with a Liberal majority in my opinion. They have no plans to stop building wind and solar farms, even though we're already oversupplied with power, so the costs will just keep going up. There are probably a lot more jobs likely to leave this province before the next 4 years are over.
Snobank 6/11/2014 3:21:46 PM Report

"dirtybeard

Snobank, Ontario has an official religion? When did this happen? "

Well dirtybeard, in Ontario one religion gets state supported funding for it's school systrem. Although it has been taken to the Ontario Supreme Court, no other religion has that privilege. Therefore, logically, the Roman Catholic religion, funded by the Ontario government has been, since Confederation, Ontario's official religion.
Gurpy 6/11/2014 3:29:17 PM Report

Should the Liberals get in again this election, I will be leaving the province! I cannot afford their "mistakes".
dirtybeard 6/11/2014 3:34:35 PM Report

Careful there Snobank, you should warm up before stretching that far.

There are both Catholic and Protestant boards in the province. Funding a separate board (although I disagree that it is necessary or right) is hardly the same as a government backed church like the Anglican church in England.
Wild Turkey 6/11/2014 3:37:20 PM Report

So "Ontario's official religion" is opposed to The Federal Gov'ts Civil rights laws.Wow----It's O.K. for our Prime Minister to Call out Putin over the same issue , even threatening to boycott 'the FRIENDLY Olympic GAMES?
Something is terribly wrong here.What if Putin were an R.C., and not Orthodox.Would it be alright then?I really don't care either way,but why did this inter-Catholic spat even hit the news.
Ontario's official religion---That's a good one!
Just Curious 6/11/2014 3:49:37 PM Report

Wild Turkey, agree totally.. Sure screws a died-in-the-wool atheist like me..(wink-wink) ..:).
Snobank 6/11/2014 3:53:12 PM Report

Sorry db, but there are no government funded protestant boards in Ontario. Perhaps you are confusing them with the public school boards of Ontario. That would be easy to do since for many years people in this province were generally RC or protestant and many viewed the public board as the protestant board. It is not. It is a public board for all. The Roman Catholic School Boards are the only religious boards funded by the province.

Other religions are free to start their own school boards. The kicker is that they will receive no provincial funding but must completely support themselves. Hence when only one religion is eligable for and gets government funding, like it or not, it is the official religion of that government.
Gurpy 6/11/2014 4:21:06 PM Report

Is it true that Sam C is Joe Fratesi on here?
ThinkAgain 6/11/2014 4:49:47 PM Report

Sootoday may have a few employees that attend the pride parade and may not like comments.
They why have comments at all?
steelworker 6/11/2014 5:10:50 PM Report

...because you will do what you're told or else.
Gurpy 6/11/2014 5:10:52 PM Report

So, we are expected to agree just to avoid having the comment section closed? Mayby sootoday could provide us with the acceptable answers? You know like mutiple choice with no incorrect answers. That way no one would be offended.
S.M.A.R.T. 6/11/2014 5:26:20 PM Report

The Gay Pride Parade does nothing for, and in fact harms the image of the gay community, and for the life of me I cannot comprehend why any constituent of the Ontario Catholic separate school system would want to participate in such an inappropriate spectacle.
Gurpy 6/11/2014 5:37:51 PM Report

S.M.A.R.T.
We`re not allowed to talk about it! That`s why the comments section got canned. Behave yourself!
scoobie doo 6/11/2014 6:00:59 PM Report

Catholic trustee going to a gay pride event doesn't surprise me. Further proof to me that in general they have no respect for the bible. Can you say "hypocrite" ........
Jimssm 6/11/2014 6:07:54 PM Report

Snobank...

Yes there IS a fully-funded protestant seperate school board in Ontario.... the Penetanguishene Protestant Seperate School Board.

Public schools were historically Protestant but gradually transformed into secular schools, the final nail being the banning of prayer in schools.


And if people have a problem with allowing publicly funded separate denominational school systems, they had better consult the Constitution (section 93) and campaign to get an amendment
rockbanger 6/11/2014 6:18:29 PM Report

Sam C is Joe Fratesi who is really James Bond....

Secret Agent Man is Frank MAnzo

Amarosso is M who is secretly the 'Queen of England'

Get real... People use fake names for a reason.

I'm Tinkerbell.

steelworker 6/11/2014 6:29:29 PM Report

No lie.
Hunter101 6/11/2014 6:58:07 PM Report

Zing, why in the hell would we want to have more taxes. Are you that dull?

The idea is to cut government services that are useless.

If Tim Hudak had his way, 100,000 of those jobs should go at the very least, There's some useless positions in our public services department.
steelworker 6/11/2014 7:09:53 PM Report

Just go to Service Canada on any given day and watch the clown show.
shakespeare 6/11/2014 7:24:34 PM Report

Hunter and Steely: you need to do a little research. Scandinavians spend oodles in taxes and have some of the highest standards of living in the world with stable economies, great healthcare and a great social safety net. It is tunnel vision to see tax reductions as a panacea, but it seems to be a vision that is affecting more Conservative North Americans. It ain't the taxes that you pay; it's the life that you can live. That being said, there is no excuse for the Ontario Liberals squandering.
irishfey 6/11/2014 7:25:45 PM Report

The R.C Religion is Ontario's Official religion??? pfft!!! Why do people when they think of Christianity, think of it as being Roman Catholic???? That IRKS me to no end!!... If you take away the Jewish contribution to Christianity.. there would be no Christianity! Judaism does not need Christianity to explain it's existence; Christianity, however. cannot explain it's existence without Judasim. When one refers to Christianity, we are referencing the teachings of Christ, which were based on the principles of Judaism-- not on the deeds of a polluted Historic Christianity ( R.C.C ) Historic Christianity has left an evil legacy. It is responsible for the Crusades, in which Jewish people from Europe to Jerusalem were slaughtered in seven major pogroms ( crusades ). The first crusade was declared by Pope Urban 11 in 1095. They were rapists and thieves, forgivven in advance by the Pope for any sins that they might commit while on their Holy Campaign to liberate Jerusalem from the " infidels "... Not one Christian in a hundred today can answer the question : How is it that Christianity ( R.C.) , born through the teachings of a Jewish Rabbi ( Christ ) named Jesus of Nazareth, could three hundred years later kill Jews in the name of God??... There is a dramatic difference between Historic Christianity and the teachings of Christ! There are many other smaller religions out there today that just teach the teachings of Christ and don't go around killing folks in His name! It just burns my butt that people think of the Catholic Church as the only type of Christianity, when it is only Historic Christianity and does not speak for the true followers of Christ!.. This is just my opinion and not meant to offend any R.C. people out there... You have your views and I have mine... I really wish that some people would do a good study of their religion ( Church ) and base the truth of the Bible on it before they join a Church and just get taught what the preacher thinks they should know. ... And.. NO.. you don't need to join a Church or even go to one to be saved. Lots of folks are " cutting out" the middle Man these days as they feel that all the Churches these days are nothing but money grabs, and ther're right... All you need is Jesus in your heart and read the Bible!!!.... Sorry about the long post, but I had to say my piece and I'm done!....
Gurpy 6/11/2014 7:29:57 PM Report

NDP is in FIRST place in Toronto!! YES!!
tbbubba 6/11/2014 7:34:03 PM Report

but hiding predatory child molestation flies ???
Jimssm 6/11/2014 7:41:19 PM Report

Steely...

I didn't realize Service Canada had much to do with Hudak.

....And most of the Soo's Service Canada (Bay Street) are now a contracted company and not public service employees. Most of that building is empty, replaced by toll free numbers.
Knight44 6/11/2014 7:55:50 PM Report

I'm not sure where you're getting your information from Gurpy, but The NDP has been running a distant third in poll after poll in Toronto. In fact, their numbers there are at historic lows and there is a better than strong chance that they will lose long-held seats in Trinity-Spadina, Beaches-East York and Parkdale High Park.

In fact, it wouldn't be terribly surprising to see the Liberals sweep Toronto save for Peter Tabuns' riding in Toronto-Danforth.
steelworker 6/11/2014 8:00:35 PM Report

There goes the massage parlour trade.
Gurpy 6/11/2014 8:03:34 PM Report

Knight 44
I get updates on facebook and email. I just got off the ctv news site and it is looking like a very close race at this point.
David Poluck 6/11/2014 8:10:11 PM Report

For the global warming climate change posters..
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/calgary-billboard-blames-sun-climate-change-not-humanity-154657243.html
David Poluck 6/11/2014 8:16:30 PM Report

Great video!
Knight44 6/11/2014 8:18:32 PM Report

The poll you appear to be referring to is the latest poll from Ipsos Reid. They are incorporating a new, reasonably untested kind of polling 'opt in' online polling technique that has been at odds with every other polling firm this campaign. They may well prove to be right, but if they are then everyone else is wrong.

Even that being the case, this looks like an outlier poll. Even Ipsos has had the NDP polling around 20-25 percent for the majority of the campaign.
Gurpy 6/11/2014 8:24:15 PM Report

Knight 44
You are right except they have the NDP at 34% a couple of hours ago.
Knight44 6/11/2014 8:25:53 PM Report

Yes, this is the probable outlier poll I'm referring to. It's completely inconsistent with every other poll this election.

At any rate, we won't have to wait long to find out if they were right I suppose.
Javaman 6/11/2014 8:28:20 PM Report

The 34 percent refers ONLY to who those polled thought would make the best PREMIER...and Horwath came out on top. It has nothing to do with who would possibly win the election. Horwath is the most popular...that's all. This is not surprising considering how voters feel about the Liberal scandals and the deep dislike of Hudak.
irishfey 6/11/2014 8:31:48 PM Report

tbbubba.. That is another "black" spot against Historical Christianity ( R.C.C).. If the Pope went by the truth of the Bible, there would be a lot of Priests at the bottom of the lake with a Millstone ( hudge rock ) around their necks!....
BIG BROTHER 6/11/2014 8:48:09 PM Report

Irish,
For a so-called christian, that you profess yourself to be, you sure missed out on some of the more important bible stories. To simplify though, quite possibly you remember the part about the lord will be the judge.

You are talking historical versus whatever, christianity. You actually sound a little whacked. Confused!!
Knight44 6/11/2014 8:53:08 PM Report

You're right Javaman, but I think this is the poll Gurpy is referring to which does have the NDP polling at 30% provincially. This is nearly double where the other polling firms have them, and where Ipsos themselves have had them, so it's almost certainly wrong.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/pcs-liberals-ndp-in-virtual-tie-on-eve-of-ontario-election-poll-1.1864045

I'm still expecting a Liberal plurality of about 48-52 seats tomorrow. In short, basically right where we were before the election with a few ridings having shuffled around.
BIG BROTHER 6/11/2014 9:00:54 PM Report

David P,
Read it. I like the billboard that the same company rejected a couple of years earlier..."If you have a major solar spill, it's called a nice day"

Friends of Science sponsored the cost of the billboard. Right Wing think tanks get paid high fees to come up with phony names for movements or legislation...."The Fair Elections Act". Whatever happened to mere Election Reform Act. When they title bills and organizations with such promising names, my radar begins acting up.
Jimssm 6/11/2014 9:13:21 PM Report

'Friends of Science' is funded by big oil.
shakespeare 6/11/2014 9:16:19 PM Report

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjuGCJJUGsg&feature=player_embedded
BIG BROTHER 6/11/2014 9:17:12 PM Report

Thanks for confirming my suspicion Jim. I would have bet my next paycheck on that one.

And 'Big Oil' is sponsored by the Koch brothers. Friends of Science....these groups are masters of deceptive titling. And suckers swallow the kool-aid in gulps.
BIG BROTHER 6/11/2014 9:19:49 PM Report

Shakey, I watched John Oliver last summer, as he replaced Jon Stewart. He's excellent, but Colbert is absolutely brilliant.

I like that he had Bill Nye for this exercise.
Jimssm 6/11/2014 9:30:10 PM Report

Interesting...

A 97.1% consensus among scientists in the field that human activity is causing global warming.

...even I didn't think it was that high....

BIG BROTHER 6/11/2014 9:42:29 PM Report

I think the other 2.9% work for the Koch's.
Gurpy 6/11/2014 9:43:00 PM Report

Horwath is now leading at 38%,
BIG BROTHER 6/11/2014 9:48:46 PM Report

That is how ridiculous the whole thing is. The 97.1 is considered to be unanimous, in science circles. This is not an opinion poll. These are the facts and wasting time talking about the issue or squandering energy denying the mess, is a waste of resources. The Flat Earth Society is alive and well.

66cherokee 6/11/2014 11:28:12 PM Report

On the Agenda TVO, Steve Paquin asked 2 cabinet ministers about how they felt about their leader not being able to teach in a Catholic School because she is openly gay, and both talked around it, but never gave an answer. Just like a politician.
Snobank 6/12/2014 12:05:55 AM Report

I've been out for the past few hours or I would have responded to JIMSSM's posting much earlier. JIMSSM, that's a fascinating school board find that you came up with. I've spent about an hour researching it and I must admit that historical facts were hard for me to find. I did note that it belongs to the Ontario Public School Association and that its bylaws have been ameded several times to keep its membership. It is a single public school in a strongly Roman Catholic area and I suspect the name is historical. i can't prove this but the little information I was able to glean seems to suggest this. Do you have any further information?

If this really is a public school with a historical name then my point is still there. We have only one state supported religious school system in Ontario. (Technically we have more than one. There is the Roman Catholic English system, which includes French Immersion, and there is the Roman Catholic French system for Francophone students. They are separate school boards.)

Thus the Ontario government supports one religious group or denomination or religion or what have you in this province.

I did not mean to set off a firestorm about which religion or denomination is better than any other. I was merely trying to make the point that one religious group, also for historical reasons, has an unfair financial advantage given to it by the government to educate its children. I used the term "Official Provincial Religion" to grab attention and emphasise my point that our provincial government does in fact favour one Christian religious denomination over all other groups or religions.

In fairness, all groups should receive the same advantage or none should. I vote for none.
Jimssm 6/12/2014 6:58:26 AM Report

Snobank:

If you want a fairly concise explanation, look up 'separate school canada' on Wikipedia.

Constitutionally, either Protestants or Catholics can set up a Separate School Board if they are the minority religion in the area. That was set up as part of Confederation... without it Canada would probably not have the same geography we have now.

Is it fair to other religions ? Probably not. But it would take a Constitutional Amendment to change, and that isn't happening anytime soon.
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