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View Room Comments for Friday, Jun. 6 2014

Friday, June 06, 2014   by: The View RoomWelcome to the SooToday.com View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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soowat 6/6/2014 2:34:25 AM Report

Spelly, this one's for you.

Grammar is important. Capital letters are the difference between "helping your Uncle Jack off a horse" &"helping your uncle jack off a horse".

The stuff one can find on the internet when one is suffering from insomnia
David Poluck 6/6/2014 7:20:36 AM Report

Woo hoo...it's here! Friday!
Good morning!
Zing 6/6/2014 7:27:40 AM Report

The arrested the shooter in Moncton just after midnight!
Javaman 6/6/2014 7:37:07 AM Report

LETS NOT SPEND millions of dollars on this culprit. A speedy trial and life in prison is in order.
Spellchecker 6/6/2014 7:44:18 AM Report

Yes soowat, those capital letters really made a big difference in that case.
irishfey 6/6/2014 9:09:21 AM Report

The shooter in Moncton will never see the light of day again!.. I seen his photo and he looked like Rambo!! I think alot of these killers get some of their ideas from the Hollywood movies and if the mind is sick,, well, off they go on a terror mission... You wonder sometimes just what goes on in a sick mind to make folks do that type of thing.. so sad!!!... Another shooting in a Seattle school, but one smart guy took him down with pepper spray.... Some really sick folks out there!!!
irishfey 6/6/2014 9:19:16 AM Report

HUNTER 101,, get ready to see the " Gun Laws" to get raked over the coals again. To me this just proves my point that homeowners should have one,, but how do you keep them ( guns ) out of the hands if the sick minded???... Just my opinion....
flyhawk25 6/6/2014 9:44:11 AM Report

Let's not revisit the gun laws again over one incident no matter how terrible.
old-cat33 6/6/2014 9:47:05 AM Report

Why didn't the RCMP taser that idiot last night after they got him?
Some nut job cheeseburger cuts off a mans head on a Greyhound bus and they negotiate with him to arrest him.
Some poor foreigner who can't even speak english rants at the airport and they tazer him until he dies. If that was fellow officer who was shot senselessly Rambo wouldn't have made it back to the station.
mallet 6/6/2014 9:49:52 AM Report


Irishfey...

There is a little bit on the forms that have to be filled in by the spouse or another, and if some of that 2 billion had been spent making sure the guns did not get into the wrong hands maybe there would not have been so much of a hue and cry about the cost. Do what they do in the U K, they police interview not only the would be gun owner but also the neighbours and friends and also pull doctors records if necessary and then they inspect the house to see if you have a safe place to keep them... And in the U K you have to have permission to shoot over land not owned by you...
irishfey 6/6/2014 10:19:50 AM Report

Old-Cat 33 and MALLET... GOOD POSTS!!
DutchTouch 6/6/2014 11:31:59 AM Report

As long as there are sick minds and violent movies/TV/video games etc. there will be these sick kind of occurrences.

The movie and games industry just keep feeding our young with this kind of trash and some young ones think it's cool to take out their aggressions this way.
notpc 6/6/2014 11:33:05 AM Report

Just saw this article in the Toronto Star. The authors are trying here to make Hudak look less caring and compassionate than Wynne by linking Hudak's criticism of the OPPA for intervening in the election, to Wynne sympathizing with the victims of the Moncton killing of RCMP officers.

I've seen some pretty obvious attempts by media people to make politicians look bad, but the manipulation involved here boggles the mind. There is absolutely no connection between these two events but the Star writers are attempting to make readers think there is. Fortunately, the comments below the article suggest that their attempt didn't work that well.

http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario_election/2014/06/05/tim_hudak_taking_heat_for_criticism_of_ontario_police_union.html
Twist Of Fate 6/6/2014 12:03:39 PM Report

Lets not blame the games and movies for the actions of those that CHOOSE to commit violent crimes. Society needs to stop with blaming everything but the offender whenever something happens. These kinds of things have been happening for centuries what did they blame it on back then?
DutchTouch 6/6/2014 12:28:10 PM Report

This type of youthful aggression has not been taking place "for centuries."
Not at this regular occurrence anyway.
The young are very addicted and impressed with these Rambo type movies.
Society as a whole is getting more and more frustrated with our political foibals and the young are getting more frustrated with society as a whole.

Therefore they are tempted to take matters into their own hands.
In their screwed up way of thinking they understand that violence is the only way to solve problems.

Sadly this is the way some misinformed young people think.
redranger 6/6/2014 12:29:07 PM Report

the town crier
DutchTouch 6/6/2014 12:33:05 PM Report

Please excuse me but the hordes of mosquitoes are keeping me indoors and therefore I have more time to spend on Blue Room issues.
Jimssm 6/6/2014 12:37:24 PM Report

Twist of Fate:

Of course he chose to do what he did.

..... But to excuse violent movies and 'M' video games from any responsibility in influencing people is naive.

"Life imitates art"
BIG BROTHER 6/6/2014 12:44:16 PM Report

notpc,
I attempted to use your link and couldn't find it.

What I did find in the TO Star is this, and you may want to acknowledge that they are presenting balance, not one sided crap, like the Sun.

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/2014/06/04/police_including_opp_union_should_stay_out_of_elections_editorial.html
Twist Of Fate 6/6/2014 12:47:09 PM Report

just one more way to put the blame anywhere but on the offender. Maybe they had an addiction to xbox and action movies lets blame that instead of having the CRIMINAL be accountable for what they did.
flyhawk25 6/6/2014 1:09:48 PM Report

Hudak is running an ad that says 'the truth is 1 million people woke up today without a job'.
That is not the truth.
In fact it's so far from reality that it is a lie.
And wait to see his math if he forms a government...
Jimssm 6/6/2014 1:19:32 PM Report

Of course the blame is on the offender.

But by your reasoning, it's ok to let babies watch porn, and 6 year-olds bloody gore... because 'it doesn't influence them'.

Of course it does.

My sons saw a lot of violence and horrible things when they were younger.. and there is no way they weren't desensitized to it.
Jimssm 6/6/2014 1:21:46 PM Report

I'm sure Hudak will have an 'Action Plan'.... and we can pay to hear how good it is.
notpc 6/6/2014 1:23:54 PM Report

Big Brother

I used the link from my comment on this forum and it worked fine for me. Given that it doesn't work on your computer, you can go to the home page of the Star to find it. The article is entitled, 'Tim Hudak Taking Heat For Criticism of Ontario Police Union' by Richard Brennan and Robert Benzie.

Your link took me to the Star's home page but the editorial itself was balanced. But even if it hadn't been that would have been fine because it was an editorial. The article by Brennan and Benzie was presented as a news item, not an editorial. In that news article they tried to link two completely unrelated events to portray Wynne as compassionate and Hudak as not. It was one of the worst examples of manipulating a presentation of the news that I can remember in a long time.

As for Sun News, no doubt you don't like their editorial stance, but they generally present the news as news. The commentary comes in the editorial programming. The Star on the other hand, blended the two in this particular news item which is a journalistic no-no. The writers no doubt knew better but were driven by their agenda, and their news editor either missed it or was driven by the same agenda.
Twist Of Fate 6/6/2014 1:34:50 PM Report

Taking things a little too out of context I think. The fact is that every generation has something else to blame, let go through a short list.
Back in the 50's it was comic books that would warp young peoples minds and turn them into mass murderers, the US senate even held hearings based on this belief. Not long after that it was the evil rock and roll music that must be to blame, the same music by the way you probably let your kids listen to in the car that is played in endless loop on the radio.
Today it is video games and movies. Do you see a trend here for every action people need somewhere to lay blame. Pretty sure you would have no problem letting your kid listen to Elvis music but it was not that long ago that the belief was he was corrupting the youth.
Sure doesn't seem like the blame game has any place in reality does it. Society will continue to blame anything and everything before accepting the fact that like it or not human beings are violent have been since the dawn of time and will continue to be that way for the rest of time.
Just read a history book and you will find more violence than any movie or video game will ever contain.
mallet 6/6/2014 1:42:47 PM Report

Et Al...

I guess this will end up another "not criminally responsible" verdict in a year or two... What the heck is wrong with our justice system that these cases are not tried for years?? What ever happened to the right for a speedy trial..
Twist Of Fate 6/6/2014 1:43:44 PM Report

judges and lawyers don't make as much money if the trial end quickly
DutchTouch 6/6/2014 1:57:03 PM Report

Young people have always been influenced by the entertainment venues of their generation. No doubt about it.

These days it's violence, whether porn, war movies/games.
It seems that every game my grandsons play has to be of a violent nature or they aren't interested.

A small group of these young people take it serious and play out their violent fantasies in real life.

I'm not saying that all violence comes from this source but I'm sure some are influenced by this type of entertainment.

Take it for what it's worth but be ready to pay the consequences of disrespect to parents, authorities and society in general.

If the parents aren't paying attention to what these kids are watching it could be the cause of much of the violence that's being perpetrated toward society as a whole.

Permission to adhere to violence has to start somewhere. Parents need to be vigilant.
Jimssm 6/6/2014 1:59:41 PM Report

Twist of Fate...


"like it or not human beings are violent have been since the dawn of time"

You just made excuses for the guy who killed 3 people and blamed humanity.



Twist Of Fate 6/6/2014 2:06:08 PM Report

it does not matter how many he killed or why he did it the point I made was human beings are violent. Always have been and always will be. Over here we blame movies and games, overseas they do it in the name of religion is it really in it's most basic terms that different? Like I said take a look at history books it is all there as far back as you care to look man has been killing his fellow man for whatever reason does anyone really think that is ever going to change?
Jimssm 6/6/2014 2:06:33 PM Report

Dutch...

I agree.

Parents now will takes their kid's side against authority figures... whether it be teachers, police, or whoever.

It's never the kid's fault.

And it's only because it's easier to say yes to your kid than no. Kids need 'no' sometimes.



DutchTouch 6/6/2014 2:16:08 PM Report

Twist of Fate I agree that throughout history there have always been those who prefer violence.
Not much in the history books about the pacifists because it doesn't make for exciting reading.

Pacifists have been there all along and if it wasn't for pacifists the world would have come to a very violent end long before now.

Be thankful we are here or mankind would have decimated ourselves long before now and you wouldn't be here.
Jimssm 6/6/2014 2:16:33 PM Report

Saying 'human beings are violent' is a cop out.

There's a difference between being violent because you have to and violent because it's easy or you 'felt like it'..

I'm not violent... but I've killed people. It wasn't easy.

My wife's not violent.
My kids aren't violent.

.... and last time I checked, we were all humans.

Twist Of Fate 6/6/2014 2:23:27 PM Report

It is in no way a cop out it is merely an observation. Whatever the motivation behind the act does it really change the act itself? At the end of the day violence has been here all along and will continue to be here as long as mankind is around.
flyhawk25 6/6/2014 2:30:47 PM Report

Judges are on salary and often legal aid pays a set fee to defense lawyers.
Get your facts straight.
DutchTouch 6/6/2014 2:37:50 PM Report

Twist of Fate.....At my age I'm tired of all the philosophical excuses for violence.

I am a non violent person and hope that through negotiation we will be able to solve the miseries of the world.

Being a realistic person I doubt that'll ever happen in my lifetime.

At least it has you thinking which is a start and hopefully will help to bring some sort of peace to this planet.
66cherokee 6/6/2014 3:22:59 PM Report

Let's not review the gun act. Do these anti gun people think that a criminal, gangster is going to go and register a gun, they're dreaming.

Also, enough about Ford. Who cares. This is old news that happened before he left for rehab.
Javaman 6/6/2014 3:35:35 PM Report

I am a little surprised but it now looks like Hudak could very well squeak out a MINORITY government...heaven helps us all !!!
66cherokee 6/6/2014 4:22:37 PM Report

I don't pay attention to the polls. Look what happened in BC & Alberta. They were completely wrong. I believe that there shouldn't be any polls at least a week before voting. Some people vote for who the polls say is in front, and not for the person who is best for the job. All I can say is that if the Liberals are voted in again, God help us.
irishfey 6/6/2014 4:25:53 PM Report

Dutch Touch and Jimssm.. I agree with your posts all the way. Children learn and live what they see! My Daughter let her small children watch shows such as " Family Man " and the "Simpsons". Soon the kids were walking in front of each other farting in their face and bearing their butt ( shamed to admit this ) and did these things when company was over!.. One Grandson is so obsessed with knives and guns it's scary and he has a good collection of knives on the go... The kid is spoiled beyond belief and has a fit when he can't get something he wants.. I have talked till I was blue in the face about this but to no avail. Parents should be aware of the things the kids watch and put a stop to it!.. We played with small cowboys and Indians when i was young and my Son had the collection of G.I.Joes,, but i didn't see any sign of him wanting to go kill someone!... Way of the world now i guess and violence has taken over... Sad to see....
Prometheus 6/6/2014 4:29:51 PM Report

The Globe and Mail has endorsed Mr. Hudak and the PCs.

George Brown must be rolling over in his grave.
irishfey 6/6/2014 4:52:44 PM Report

Wild Turkey... How did you quite smoking?? Did you use the patch or just go cold turkey.. pun intended ,lol.. but i would really like to know how you did it... Good for you!!!
BIG BROTHER 6/6/2014 5:32:35 PM Report

Prometheus,
That's interesting. All those pesky so-called right wingers believe the Globe is part of the MSM conspiracy, left wing rag. They (the Globe) are showing their willingness to endorse what they believe may be best for Ontario.
BIG BROTHER 6/6/2014 5:42:56 PM Report

notpc,
'As for Sun News, no doubt you don't like their editorial stance, but they generally present the news as news. The commentary comes in the editorial programming. '

They generally 'don't' present the news as news, but that is another story. They are first cousins to Fox news and they are heavily biased....to the point of ridiculousness and stupidity.

The Toronto Star is unquestionably appealing to the left. They don't deny it and if they did, I'd call them out on it.
Wild Turkey 6/6/2014 5:47:19 PM Report

Irish--I smoked for 50 years.Started when "Daily Mails" were 30 cents a pack.
I suppose all smokers are different, although they are all lumped to-gether.
I was told by a number of Doctors to quit,but ignored them.Why?Because late 60's a Doctor (a smoker) more or less told Me that a pack a day wouldn't hurt!!!!!!!!
You see smokers will use any excuse, real or imagined, to continue .Even when they get short of breath and suffer debilitating side effects.In My case---I had to go to London for major surgery.They almost didn't do it because my breathing was so bad.I spent almost 3 weeks in Hospital with no food, no smokes and no Beer.They had me on valium to counter the withdrawal .After that, I asked myself "What parts are they going to remove next time if I don't quit."
That was what did it for me.I haven't had a smoke since, don't want one, but I don't criticise smokers , 'cause it just makes them want to smoke more.
flyhawk25 6/6/2014 6:25:41 PM Report

Our local paper is so thin that my budgies are on strike over the lack of paper in their cage.
Now when I let them out they crap on my head. Good thing I named them Hudak and Harper.
steelworker 6/6/2014 6:51:58 PM Report

They are just adding to the pile. (smiley face)
Zing 6/6/2014 7:01:38 PM Report

LOL@Fly
Twist Of Fate 6/6/2014 8:54:51 PM Report

irishfey so in your mind playing cowboys and indians is not in any way violent? GI Joe was not in any way violent? It is just this mentality that I am referring to when I say every generation has their thing they did and feel perfectly fine about all the while blaming the new fad they don't understand.
Your parents probably sat around and discussed how damaging and out there your activities were and now you look back on it with fond memories. Kids of today will have something completely new to blame when they have kids of their own and their speech will be something like "in my day we only played video games and watched movies"
steelworker 6/6/2014 8:58:49 PM Report

My parents sat around with other parents discussing how the younger generation was going straight to hell. Nowadays parents have no time to talk about their kids or anything else for that matter. Just ask some 30 year old woman why her 16 year old son is being such a turd.
Twist Of Fate 6/6/2014 9:05:39 PM Report

steelworker I don't think that is a fair generalization, no matter what the time period there have always and will always be good parents and bad ones. I am sure when you were growing up there were the neighborhood bad kids no different than today.
steelworker 6/6/2014 9:34:07 PM Report

We WERE the bad kids. lol
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