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View Room Comments for Thursday, Jun. 5 2014

Thursday, June 05, 2014   by: The View RoomWelcome to the SooToday.com View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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David Poluck 6/5/2014 6:53:14 AM Report

Rise and shine! Another beautiful day!
Good morning!
Jimssm 6/5/2014 7:16:41 AM Report

At the NOSM graduation on Tuesday in Sudbury, I couldn't help but take note of where the various new Doctors were going to continue their careers...

.... the majority to Sudbury,
.... a few to Ottawa, North Bay, Timmins.
.... Some to other areas of Ontario
.... 1 outside of Ontario


.... and a single one to the Soo.

soowat 6/5/2014 7:57:03 AM Report

Jimssm

That stat saddens me,but the reality is that if the graduate is not a SSM native he/she will go for the community with better resources for a medical practitioner
Jimssm 6/5/2014 8:06:03 AM Report

Soowat...

True. And the establishment of NOSM is going to help the situation a lot. These are all Northern Ontario kids with deep roots here.

But our local Physician Recruitment needs to do more. Our Return of Service agreements just aren't competitive.

Most of the grads are going into Family Medicine, so there is hope for us yet.
flyhawk25 6/5/2014 8:52:42 AM Report

A friend's son applied there and did not get in. So he went to his second choice - Queen's.
Seems he did not meet all the 'criteria'.
He graduated from there and will practice here.
Jimssm 6/5/2014 9:41:10 AM Report

Fly...

NOSM gets over 1600 applications a year.
They interview 300 and accept 64

The only 'criteria' for admission is any 4 year undergrad and a GPA of 3.0 (75%)

Non-academic considerations include:
•..growing up in a community in Northern Ontario;
•..demonstrated interest in living and working in Northern Ontario;
•..demonstrated interest in working with underserviced populations (no matter where they are);
•..ability to identify community needs and willingness to play a part in filling these needs;
•..cross-cultural experiences;
•..volunteer work;
•..extra-curricular activities.


Niigaanis 6/5/2014 9:42:56 AM Report

I'm aware that next year 9 Saultites will be graduating with their MD and will be moving to the post grad program offered by NOSM for family docs.
irishfey 6/5/2014 9:43:11 AM Report

Morning all.. Another great day today. I See that some in here are trying to bring this site down again with some name calling,, really not needed you know.. Watch out.. Some might get " the boot"! Don't need to mention any names, you know who you are and the others do too...... just saying....
Niigaanis 6/5/2014 10:00:51 AM Report

I'm also aware that every year since it's inception there has been at least 2 Saultites in every incoming class so the question begs to be asked why have our young docs who have completed their post grad studies not come back home?

The structure of NOSM is such that their students do not receive a "mark" or "grade" on any of their exams. They are told that they have either passed or failed. The intent of this is to down play or lessen the competitiveness and encourage them to work as a team supporting each other

Lastly, NOSM actually receives over 2000 applications every year. It is one of the most sought after schools. The class grade average is 3.7 which if anyone knows is an extremely high GPA.

But does a high GPA equate to a competent doc?
Wild Turkey 6/5/2014 10:03:09 AM Report

Irish--Elvis once said--"think of the future--forget the past"
You're dragging up stuff from yesterday.
Remember this---if you ignore them, maybe they'll go away.
Jimssm 6/5/2014 10:14:08 AM Report

Niigaanis...

9 Sooites will be graduating but they won't know where they're going for post-grad until they do their match next year.
Jimssm 6/5/2014 10:20:17 AM Report

Niigaanis :

High GPA doesn't have much to to with good Doctor or not, but it is needed in order to handle the curriculum.

At NOSM, GPA is only 1/6 of the formula used in choosing future students.
Niigaanis 6/5/2014 10:34:57 AM Report

Jimssm

in speaking with several of the nine most are applying to NOSM's post grad program and are pretty guaranteed a spot.

As for the GPA equating to a good doc it has been my experience that what really matters is their ability to interact effectively with their patients and to have good bedside manner. Most surgeons do not fall into that category. Not sure if it's the "nature of the beast" or just that their schedule is so hectic they don't have time for niceties.

You have those who would make better researchers then family docs mostly because they do not have the necessary people skills.
Zing 6/5/2014 10:48:37 AM Report

My thoughts, prayers, and condolences go out to the injured RCMP members in Moncton.

Hopefully the suspect is apprehended soon before he gets another chance to kill. Stuff like this seems to happen in the spring/summer months, making it easier to survive the elements while hiding in the bush.
lookaround 6/5/2014 10:56:08 AM Report

Steelworker you are a class act and no one cares for your comments so why don't do just go away please.
You are the JerK. Harsh reality buddy,
Zing 6/5/2014 10:57:43 AM Report

I forgot to mention the family, friends, and colleagues of those shot and injured, three of whom succumbed to their injuries.
Just imagine the residents of Moncton who have been hiding in their basements all night with a shooter outside bent on killing police officers.

Sad thing is, this could happen anywhere.
notpc 6/5/2014 10:58:43 AM Report

Niigaanis

You make a very relevant point. Schools for primary health care practitioners (medicine, chiropractic, dentistry, optometry) have discovered that what you state is true. It is a rare thing to find a brilliant health care professional who also finds it easy to relate to his/her patients. That is why the GPA is not even the most important criteria for gaining entry into the program. There is an essay in which the candidates explain why they want to become a doctor, and an interview in which the candidate's personality can be evaluated to some degree. This in addition to the application in which attributes such as community-mindedness and volunteerism are given high value.

Despite all that though, we still see in the medical profession in particular, a surprising number of practitioners who don't relate well with their patients. Thank goodness they are still a minority, but they make up a sizable one.
mallet 6/5/2014 12:04:13 PM Report

Jimssm and Nigannis, notPC..

Do not forget a lot depends on getting a residency to complete their training and then getting their priveleges at the local hospital.. There have been cases where US trained doctors have not been accreditored at hospitals because they did not meet the criteria to practice in Canada, and the local accademy of medicine also has a great deal of influence on who comes here to the Sault. The Ontario colleges and Univerities also has a lot to do with who goes where, there is a lot more to becoming a doctor than meets the eye in this province...
Jimssm 6/5/2014 12:18:34 PM Report

Mallet...

Very true.

Dozens of interviews all across the country, CAARMS match, then a 7 hour LMCC exam.... and that's just 2014 !
mallet 6/5/2014 12:22:56 PM Report


Jimssm.

In reply to your post of last night regarding the "Slave trade". What I find very hypocritical of western leaders is that they all speak of human rights but pay lip service to it, but given a political situation that is not to their liking they will impose sanctions within days. I am pretty sure they have all the facts at their finger tips, but because it might rock a financial boat they just refuse to make the issue one of importance. The media does not speak much of it either, if something does not have a "shock" value it is not deemed newsworthy, the kidnapping of the 200 odd schoolgirls gets hardly a mention today, the G7 will probably occupy the headlines and the "crisis" in the Ukraine...
irishfey 6/5/2014 12:46:36 PM Report

W.Turkey.... lol,, ok, just for Elvis :),,, Just from yesterday huh.. read todays,, but i'll leave it alone....
Niigaanis 6/5/2014 1:05:50 PM Report

Jimssm,

NOSM's students have the advantage that they are some of the most sought after post grads in the medical field.

NOSM has had the distinction of their undergrads being placed in the first go around of the Caarms selection process and most got their first option.

Something that is unheard of at that level.
Jimssm 6/5/2014 1:33:03 PM Report

Niigaanis :

I agree with you...mostly.

When making comparisons to other schools regarding the CAARMS match, you have to temper that a bit. NOSM grads go heavily into Family Medicine, which makes it easier to get your first choice. Many Family Medicine positions go unfilled during the first iteration.

CAARMS match is a roll of the dice.
flyhawk25 6/5/2014 8:18:38 PM Report

Seven hours without any comments?
Is there a sale on beer somewhere?
mallet 6/5/2014 8:45:38 PM Report


Flyhawk...
I was wondering the same thing. Maybe it is just the weather, or perhaps there is just nothing newsworthy or worth talking/writing about.. One thing I saw on the local ctv news the police in Sudbury are upset because a local shop keeper went after a would be robber with a baseball bat, seems they don't like people doing that sort of thing. Guess it makes them look bad when the would be victims don't let the thief steal anything, more people did that and there would be no need for so many of them.. Just look at the OPP beat, nothing to report since last friday, maybe that is why when there is an accident on the roads they have them closed for so long, that way they can be seen doing something.. sweeping the debris off the road, while waiting for the accident investigating team to arrive from.. where they hide...
Retreaded 6/5/2014 10:46:11 PM Report

It is nothing more than a general lack of interest by readers. It is summer...time to get away from the computer and enjoy nature.
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