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View Room Comments for Tuesday, May. 20 2014

Tuesday, May 20, 2014   by: The Soap BoxWelcome to the View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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irishfey 5/20/2014 6:39:35 AM Report

Morning folks. I made a post but put it in last nights by mistake. The US and China at odds now???.. Gee, what a mess!!
Bobby Nerves 5/20/2014 8:22:25 AM Report

Paralegals and legal assistants is one of the ten jobs that will -in the next two decades- replaced for a robot.

The paralegal profession, historically comprised of good middle-class job, is under threat too. Scanning documents for key words, for example, is something robots are particularly good at.

Other jobs that will be replaced, security guards, retail salespeople, taxi drivers, fast food cooks, bartenders among others.
soowat 5/20/2014 8:37:55 AM Report

Another recent study showed that the top 1% of wealthy people had an income equal to the bottom 90%.

Is that not a similar situation to what existed in Russia in the early 1900's?
That did not turn out well
Those that do not remember history.....
flyhawk25 5/20/2014 8:53:03 AM Report

Tell that to Rob Ford and Tim Hudak.
Mr. Poster 5/20/2014 8:54:12 AM Report

Bobby...I am not too keen on having a robot drive me around or cook my dinner. Do I still have to leave a tip? lol
theprotector 5/20/2014 9:01:25 AM Report

hmm actually paralegals are replacing lawyers thats why the upper canada law society is pushing to have them licenced and regulated with the required membership fees.

Spelly I am trying...not to take your job but generally overall trying
Bobby Nerves 5/20/2014 9:04:48 AM Report

Target Canada President, replaced with a 15 year

Target is crumbling in Canada. No competitive, no stock, no variety, no price.

If Target move the operations from Canada, who'll step up to the plate to fill those 100 stores? Sears is up for sale.

Just Curious 5/20/2014 9:13:21 AM Report

Anybody know yet what's going into the old Zellers at the K Mart plaza?? Sounds like it's not gonna be a Target, maybe a Giant Tiger will move in.. Been empty quite a while now..
Budster 5/20/2014 9:27:55 AM Report

I would like to see a Giant Tiger move into that space. When in the states wasn't very impressed with Target. I think Giant Tiger would be healthy competition for Wally World.
irishfey 5/20/2014 9:33:12 AM Report

Pro... you're doing good, must be the oatmeal ,lol... I see that you are one of the ones that are trying to keep this site nice... Remember,, no perfect folk on here.......
Budster 5/20/2014 9:37:14 AM Report

With the Conservatives so interested in freeing up tax dollars why do we have such a difficult time attracting retail stores other than Walmart here? I have heard that there are places that offer tax freedom for business for up to 5 yrs. this would allow them time to get established would it not? So why can't SSM do something similar.
I remember back in the '80's that Honda wanted to build here close to Essar, but Cambridge won the new factory and the hundreds of jobs that went with that because they were given tax relief for I think it was 3 yrs.
soowat 5/20/2014 9:38:00 AM Report

Seem to recall that it was previously stated that Metro has it in their lease that no new store in that mall can sell food which is a G.T. product.
irishfey 5/20/2014 9:44:31 AM Report

Soowat, I believe that. A store down here can't sell some products either!.. Greedy bunch!!!!
flyhawk25 5/20/2014 9:44:56 AM Report

A perfect example is the old SAH site.The city took a hit on the sale price but will generate plenty of tax money and jobs from the new condos.
You have to break eggs to make omelets.
Wild Turkey 5/20/2014 9:47:34 AM Report

Soowat----if that is the case , then sadly,Giant Tiger is restricted from opening in Wellington Square(Food basics owned by Metro),and Churchill plaza,(Metro store there)also.
What's left for them?Downtown?Freestanding?
Mr. Poster 5/20/2014 9:51:23 AM Report

|Simple solution...close metro and open Giant Tiger in the old Kmart store. We have enough METROS that one less would not hurt.
Budster 5/20/2014 10:15:01 AM Report

When Kmart was in that location they sold food and so did Zellers so I don't see why GT couldn't move in there.
northernmale 5/20/2014 11:09:34 AM Report

The funny thing is things are closing here and Sault Ste Marie Michigan will be opening two more new stores. One will be Menards Lumber store by big lot. The other is a Meyers at 3 mile road where the shows are. Sault Michigan seems to be doing well, Thanks to Canadian shoppers. The sad thing is most go over for gas then end up shopping. Maybe we should be looking at the gas stations here who seem to up prices for no rime or reason other then greed .Who can blame people for shopping in Michigan as we are taxed to death on everything thing in Ontario. You have to make your dollar go as far as you can if you want any left off your check.
Stanley 5/20/2014 11:15:20 AM Report

"Sault Michigan seems to be doing well, Thanks to Canadian shoppers"

Gas stations and Wal Mart do well thanks, in part, to Canadian shoppers.
Just Curious 5/20/2014 11:15:37 AM Report

The restriction only applies to exactly the same product. You can sell similar but it can't be the same. There are some products you will never find in a Food Basics for that reason, they just aren't allowed too. Not sure how it works but was told that once when looking for a certain brandname once in Basics..
bounder 5/20/2014 11:43:48 AM Report

Meyers in Soo Michigan , I hope they carry the same sales as they do in Gaylord. They have a wine selection better than our LCBO, yeah and way cheaper.
theprotector 5/20/2014 12:04:07 PM Report

I think one of the concerns is do we need a giant tiger? In my opinion is a glorifed dollar store.
Corperate tax breaks always leaves the tax payers on the hook, I havent seen one success story where a corperation flourished after the tax breaks ran out, typically so does the corperation.
We do need to set our sites on diversification of the economy , that needs to be key for the long term sustainability of the tax base.
The condos with the hospitals will fail unless they have the inside scoop on someting big coming to the Sault.
Unless there is an aggressive movement then within 5 to 10 years Algoma District will become impoverished. Look at the unemployment rate, jobs leaving (not just gov jobs) we cannot continue. We need aggressive actions comparitable to sault college and algoma u...a page from their play book!
northernmale 5/20/2014 12:30:21 PM Report

In order for a city like Sault Ste Marie to grow you need people on council who want to see that happen. Not ones that just sit back collect a check each month and wait for something to come along . We need new younger blood who can see past there noses. We have a good old boys club in everything in the Soo from council to police department to fireman and so on. In the Soo its who you no and will be unless we change things at the top . Our CEO has way to much power and say. If you no someone who knows him and puts a good word in for you , your a shoe in for police or fireman, or board of works .We have puppets on council who are afraid of him. We need a mayor with the balls to stand up to him. We need a council with a back bone. Sault Ste Marie has not saw this in years . Until that happens we are only going to be doomed and we will go no place.
Oldie Goldie 5/20/2014 12:41:23 PM Report

As for Shopping at Walmart in Soo Mich. I quit shopping there and go to Glen's.

Easier to find a Parking space and smaller Carts make it easier and if you can't find something any store clerk will take you directly to it not just tell you what aisle it is in.

Free Coffee and Popcorn too.

Some prices are higher but some things on sale are cheaper than Walmart.

Try it, you will like it.
irishfey 5/20/2014 1:09:00 PM Report

Oldie.. Some store staff are just too lazy to help you out! We went to CTC some time ago looking for an item that was on sale. The " staff " said they were sold out. We went around the corner and lo and behold, there was a pile of the items!.. Even trying to locate a staff member in that store now is almost impossible!! Shame!!!
bounder 5/20/2014 1:12:14 PM Report

They should remove the site, (Best Gas Prices) as there's no best gas price, all the same all the time. Collusion and price fixing, crooks.
irishfey 5/20/2014 1:19:13 PM Report

bounder, pretty soon we will all have to get a horse and buggy!.. Me? I would love it ,lol
Mr. Poster 5/20/2014 1:42:39 PM Report

I thought we had a highly paid staff at the EDC who were to look after encouraging new business for this city.Are we getting a good bang for the buck from the EDC ??
theprotector 5/20/2014 2:01:12 PM Report

irish that happens alot at ctc.
theprotector 5/20/2014 2:02:29 PM Report

edc is into job creation. They have created jobs for themselves and have done nothing of real value for the Sault.
mallet 5/20/2014 2:07:15 PM Report


I like the horse and buggy idea too, just one thing though, hate the exhaust, especially when you stand in it... LOL...
mallet 5/20/2014 2:55:06 PM Report

Bobby N..

The idea of robotics is nothing really new.. I will give you three places where robotics and new technology has deciamated the workforce...

In the U K, Alfred Herbert a well known Tool and Die maker automated their machine shops over 45 years ago, install "Punch tape" systems that required only a tool changer and sweeper up, to do the work of hundreds of machinists.

In Canada, GM and other auto makers now have robotic arms that spray paint vehicles, putting out of work hundreds of spraypainters and welders who used to weld up the vehicles..

In Canada, Inco, whose workforce 35 years ago used to consist of approximately 16,000 miners and related trades, now numbers around 4 or 5 thousand at most, due to different technology in underground mining and also running machines from surface, even from their headquarters if necessary.

Locally, the Steel Plant, 40 years ago there were 11,000 employees, today a little under 3,000 employees, yet same sort of tonnage is achieved.

Some asks why are there no good paying jobs available for today youth and older workers, and to be honest I do not have a good answer, except that computers have gone a long way to eliminate the human being in lots of industries. I was lucky that I was born at a time when men were needed in trades and service industries, and I did not mind getting my hands dirty or have grime under my finger nails. As companies move to eliminate the human touch, I think it will be the personal touch shops that will start to prosper again, people will enjoy that service once more, rather than listening to a computer voice telling then where to go, but I doubt if that will come about in my lifetime, this generation will be the lost one, I am afraid. Children and young adults are growing up with the video games, and 24 hour television, and have no desire to do much else except the "ME" attitude. I Know I am painting with a large brush, but I have grand children and great grand children and I see that creeping in more and more. Maybe I have a biased view, I do not know, but I think Mr Gates and Mr Jobs have a lot to answer for...
flyhawk25 5/20/2014 2:59:15 PM Report

The criticism of the EDC is unfounded.
They are not looking to 'hit a home run' but rather to be a catalyst for diversity and change.
Our city cannot hang its fortunes on large industries.Nor can we solve problems with big box stores and minimum wage jobs.
We need a visionary council at the Civic Centre who see that the days of large retail outlets will disappear due to rapid expansion of on-line shopping.
I predict that in ten years we will see a completely different usage of our malls.
There are thousands of models being used in other cities which renew rather than replace city cores and create a friendly fertile ground for small businesses.
Money spent on our university and college will attract a more diverse and educated population with higher skills needed for the future.
cathyh 5/20/2014 3:44:56 PM Report

IMHO Mallet is right. There are going to be no good-paying jobs left anywhere. The whole economic system will have to change. I laugh when I see that on-line shopping will take over because we've had catalogue shopping for over one hundred years and the retail business still expanded with brick and mortar stores. I think young people are willing to work but they've been conditioned to become educated so they can get good jobs but big business and corporations are always trying to slim down to satisfy their investors. It's sort of looks like the monkey chasing it's tail kind of scenario.
mallet 5/20/2014 3:55:31 PM Report


I would agree with you to some extent, that the EDC does encourage small based firms. I am wondering why though with this supposedly the "Green Engergy Capital" why there is no local company "renting" roof space as they do in the UK. The last bit about the higher skills for the future, I am a little skeptical about that, where are all those jobs going to be coming from? I know what Hudak says about a million jobs, but that's just politicing, and you know that as well as I. I can see the need for "Repairmen/women and trades people" but you do not need a university degree for that...
Wild Turkey 5/20/2014 4:01:03 PM Report

Somebody should do a survey on on-line shopping.
Why are people shopping on-line?
Is it value?Availability?Conveniance?
If enough people buy a particular item because it is not available locally, could that indicate a need for someone to start up a business offering that product?
An online shopping survey could have answers to counter the growing trend to this phenominum.(sp?)
irishfey 5/20/2014 4:24:11 PM Report

Mallet.. I'd rather pick up poop than pay for gas ,lol.... PRO.. I used to work at Crappy Tire on cash, so i would imagine we have met before,, hope you wern't one of the nasty folks ,lol.... I most likely met most of you all at one point.....
notpc 5/20/2014 4:25:22 PM Report


I agree that technologies like computers and automated systems (robotics) have taken away a lot of jobs in the last 3 decades. Unfortunately it is a trend that will not likely change. No auto manufacturer is going to go back to the days when it took 4x as many employees to produce half as much product.

The key for young people finding jobs is to adapt to that new reality. When my kids went to university, we discussed these trends and I suggested to the two boys who were into high tech that although industry was eliminating hands-on jobs, it would always need the people who design and maintain the automated systems that were taking those jobs away. They agreed with their Dad this time and both enrolled in engineering programs that ended up leading to great careers in that field.

Young adults need to do their homework and find out what fields of employment actually need their particular skills and focus on those. Getting a degree or diploma in your favourite field isn't the wisest course to follow if there are no jobs in it.

By the way, the trades and professions associated with construction, health care, mechanical, oil and gas, etc still need a lot of hands-on people.
lookaround 5/20/2014 4:32:55 PM Report

The problem folks there is too much choice in things we really do not need.
notpc 5/20/2014 5:04:18 PM Report


You make a good point about spending money here. I think what irks a lot of people about buying gas in Soo Ontario is that the prices here are so out of whack with much of the rest of the province. Why for example is the Soo gas higher priced than Spanish or Espanola or Sudbury most of the time?

This price disconnect creates resentment in people who know that there is no reason why gasoline in the Soo, where gas is apparently delivered to and stored, should cost more than say Espanola where it has to be trucked to after being delivered somewhere else. The fuel companies have for some reason dictated that the Soo will just have to pay more and that's it. A lot of people look at that and say "not me!"
bounder 5/20/2014 5:05:44 PM Report

If gas was equal in pricing I might buy mine here ,but seeing as you don't understand taxes, why am I paying more in taxes per litre here in the Soo as opposed to those down south who pay less, and they spend more on roads than we ever will.
Am I to support Southern Ontario.
Beer in Quebec way cheaper than here, auto insurance to name a few.
The gas price here is joke, all the stations selling at the same price, don't you see that.
mallet 5/20/2014 5:17:21 PM Report


I really do not think it is the gas stations who set the prices except for their profit margins, I believe it is the wholesaler who is the defining entity behind the fluxuating gas prices. On the difference between the Canadia and U S prices a lot depends on the taxes on the product, in the U S the taxes are displayed for all to see, here they are hidden in the total price. Don't ever think the Province is going to make any effort to control the price either as the raw price goes up, so does their take of taxes. The local wholesaler will deliver when necessary but if the price goes down will tell the retailer the gas/diesel was loaded at the day before price, ask any retailer...
guard1 5/20/2014 7:09:03 PM Report

Does anyone know who bought the old princess theater and their intentions with it?
flyhawk25 5/20/2014 7:11:20 PM Report

The National News site on here is stuck on Sunday morning.
It might be time to hire more staff.
Snobank 5/20/2014 7:52:36 PM Report

They have fired on Fort Sumter.
debo 5/20/2014 9:45:30 PM Report

The Globe and Mail reporting that Mike Harris has been awarded a free trip (courtesy of the Harper Govt.) to the Ukraine. He is one of the "leaders"of the 500 strong OBSERVERS we Canadian taxpayers are sending to the Ukraine to monitor the election taking place at the end of the month.

Harris?Why Harris? ... He wouldn't recognize democracy in action if it snuck up behind him and bit him in the A$$.

The Globe reports that he has already left to take on this onerous task. .. Why the early start?
Oh, maybe he is going to pull a "modified Ipperwash" ... and tell the effing Russians to get out of Eastern Ukraine ... I really doubt there are any Native Canadians there, so he'll just have to improvise.
statusquo 5/20/2014 10:25:28 PM Report

"The Globe reports that he (Mike Harris) has already left to take on this onerous task. .. Why the early start? "

Maybe because, as a professional alcoholic, the extra day will give him the opportunity to savour the excellent varieties of Vodka available in the Ukraine, before going down to business and teach "them" filthy Russians a thing or two about Ontario style democracy a la Common Sense Revolution.

66cherokee 5/20/2014 11:40:51 PM Report

The Protector, I just got on line for the first time today, and saw you post. Paralegals cannot defend anyone in criminal court. They can only do some stuff, like defend you in traffic court etc. They are regulated by the Law Society of Upper Canada, have to pass their exams, and pay dues. I don't know if it has changed from the past year.
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