TFinn 5/17/2014 6:31:33 AM Report
: Some Morning Humour 4 ya
At breakfast, the husband says to his wife “What would you do if I won the Lotto?”
“ I’d take half and leave you , ” she says.
“Great , ” he says.
….Here's $6 bucks .... I won $12 bucks yesterday…!
....Stay in touch . ”
flyhawk25 5/17/2014 8:55:17 AM Report
I wanted to sleep on the discussion of the 'Snowden affair'.
I have not made my mind up yet.
But I do wonder what reason a guy like this can have for what he did.He's living in exile and does not seem rich.
That leads me to wonder if he is not acting out of altruism.
I have little trust in the intelligence community's morality where the end seems to justify the means.
And there is a history of those with power fearing and persecuting those with a moral compass.
Whether it is against Mandela or the Berrigans the power brokers want to keep that power.
Finally - if we see the government acting unjustly do we not have a moral obligation to act?
Just ask the why the colonists in America revolted against the king.
soowat 5/17/2014 9:10:59 AM Report
You ask the question "why the colonists in America revolted against the king."
The King was far removed from any understanding of what was important to the people and too arrogant to care. Oh Wait! That's Harper! Sorry don't have an answer to your question.
BIG BROTHER 5/17/2014 9:34:00 AM Report
That is the conundrum fly.
I recall hearing tales of 2nd. WW in reference to Winston Churchill and how he was aware that the German's knew about a certain plan the allies were enacting. Churchill didn't change the plan because he didn't want the German's to know that the allies had cracked their (German) codes. Many lives were slaughtered in the name of sacrifice for the 'greater good'.
Did the end justify the means??? Are there degrees of morality? Who is to judge? We place trust in politicians, then along comes the 'war hawks', who seemingly abuse that trust to the nth. degree....for seemingly self-serving reasons, using/abusing the trust.
Albedo 5/17/2014 9:55:46 AM Report
Thank you for setting the record straight on Edward Snowden.
You are absolutely correct when you state that what he did was espionage.
Snowden risked the lives of many agents from not only the U.S. but our allies.
The Russian's would not have any interest in Snowden if he only had domestic information as suggested by another poster.
statusquo 5/17/2014 10:01:08 AM Report
"I wanted to sleep on the discussion of the 'Snowden affair'.
I have not made my mind up yet."
Let me be of assistance to you then. He is a slimy little weasel and he should be hunted down and beaten with a stick and thrown to the wolves.
Not only did he blew the whistle but he stole and gave ultra sensitive information to the enemy.
Now, the NSA and various other intelligence agencies are certainly spying on ordinary citizens but this is among other things THE principal reason we haven't seen a 9/11 type terrorist event since September 11 2001!
The media lambasted the Bush administration for not having reacted prior to 9/11 saying they had enough information to counteract what was about to come...well, they didn't have sufficient and detailed info.
I am certainly not a supporter of the Bush administration but I don't know what it will take to realize that the "West", and that includes us and most of Western Europe is at war with the rest of the world if not by tanks and rockets , but certainly by massive espionage, intelligence gathering affecting primarily our economy and security!
Look at Putin and his expansionist bent. Look at China, there isn't a week that goes by where they are not caught spying on Western industry .
Snowden's actions put lives at risk, compromised our military and defense strategies and only history will be able to present us with the final bill for the damage he has done.
I did not need Snowden to realize that we are spied upon ! This is the world we live in now and I am prepared to take that over having to wonder if I am going to make it to my next destination every time I board a plane, or take the subway in any given European city.
You bring up the "moral compass"! What nation has that?
This is my corner of the world that I had the fortune and good luck to be born in and I resent weasels like Snowden compromising my safekeeping in favour of nations like China, Russia or pick any god forsaken , Mullah run, Sharia law legislated hellhole country that hasn't yet emerged from the stone age.
We certainly have our problems and the U.S has certainly not been behaving like the benevolent rich uncle in world politics. But, answer me this, which devil would you prefer to be living under?
There are far more elegant and morally justifiable ways to stand up against your own government without compromising the security and vital interests if you really feel the need to do so, but it comes at a price. Just ask Colin Powell. Now there is a guy that may have an inclination of what a "moral compass" might look like. Not abject characters like Snowden.
Mr. Poster 5/17/2014 10:03:21 AM Report
I wonder if Canada has a SNOWDEN in its midst,
statusquo 5/17/2014 10:13:27 AM Report
Yeah I know Poster....somehow I got stuck with that W....
statusquo 5/17/2014 10:15:42 AM Report
Maybe I resent Mr Snowden so much because of the winter we've been having......
Bill_the_Cat 5/17/2014 10:17:40 AM Report
We'll said sq.
Albedo 5/17/2014 10:32:01 AM Report
Yes your Canadian winters certainly are harsh but I'd say you possess the capability of clearly seeing something as serious as the Snowden affair for what it really was.
There has been a lot of time for 'sleeping on it' and I can see you did not waste such valuable time as sleeping, on it.
mallet 5/17/2014 11:56:52 AM Report
I quite agree with you on that matter. There are reasons that the Official Secrets Act is in place, and it's contents are not revealed for 50 or even 75 years in some cases. Some seem to forget not all countries have our system of Justice. Not only the "Spy" but the rest of the family could be put in jeapardy for his/her's actions against the state. As for the "Invasion of Privacy" that is trotted out, does nobody go into Canadian Tire? they got cameras, as do most stores today, so I am glad we have the state looking after my safety. How about the CCTV for a lot of streets in cities?, I do not hear too much objection to those. Someone wants to listen to my internet or phone conversations, I hope they have a good book to read, otherwise they are going to be very bored. My late father had a very good saying, "Locks and Bolts only keep Honest People out" and the same applies to conversations, "if there is no evil intent, who cares"... My memory takes me back to the Burgess and McClean scandal, maybe if there had been more survellance, they would have been hanged rather than enjoying the rest of thier lives in Moscow...
AlwaysAWinner 5/17/2014 12:00:29 PM Report
statusquo, your knowledge of the subject is really lacking. I don't think you get what the US government did, and is doing
this isn't "he revealed secrets to our enemies", it's "the government is tracking way more than you assumed, and tracking everyone"
seriously you're pretty biased for taking the "WE HAVE TO PROTECT OUR COUNTRY" stance when the government has your texts, has your phone call information, has your internet history, has every email you sent, and more.
I work in IT and the level of tracking/surveillance is disturbingly high and grossly unconstitutional
When you start splitting backbone fiber connections at AT&T and feed them directly to yourself, you're not just trying to protect the country. you're in an active effort to capture all the information you want. the intent is to protect the country? yeah, the intent is to also have the ability to track anyone and everyone. the same goes with security, they're actively saving SSH sessions and data, so once a few years pass and you can crack SSL more quickly and frequently, all that data that was supposed to be 100% secure, is not.
look up meta-data tracking in a day, a guy voluntarily gave up his meta-data and they put a days worth into a database. they were able to track almost his every move, with just META-DATA.
you sound like every patriotic dummy who works for the government. you sound extremely biased and don't give a shit about personal information because you're likely a nobody. and you don't care about anyone else security or privacy, as clearly stated in your post.
"There are far more elegant and morally justifiable ways to stand up against your own government without compromising the security and vital interests if you really feel the need to do so, but it comes at a price."
jesus christ do you drape yourself in american flags and paint eagles on your truck?
all you're saying is "I don't understand the complexity of the issue relating to security and privacy on the internet, but snowden is a traitor and did more harm then good"
no, he told the whole world "hey, the US has your texts, your emails, your phone calls, and more. and they're not going to stop"
you have no foresight into this issue. you don't see it past a breach of conduct, you just see it as revealing government secrets. you're not thinking about what kind of impact and what kind of laws this breaks.
if you understood how the applications work, if you understood the way the data is compromised, if you understood anything related to the technical aspects of this (aka how the internet works and what the NSA does to get this information), you'd think completely differently.
"Now, the NSA and various other intelligence agencies are certainly spying on ordinary citizens but this is among other things THE principal reason we haven't seen a 9/11 type terrorist event since September 11 2001!"
BOSTON MARATHON EXPLOSION
it didn't stop that now did it?
mallet 5/17/2014 1:14:16 PM Report
Always a winner..
So, tell me, does all this information make it out to the general public?? Can I go online and find all this information, besides google that is?? Tell us what secrets do you have, that the security people would target you, that you oppose the surveillance so vehemently. The majority of people have little to fear from surveillance, and the fact that it did not catch the two out of 250 million people in the U S of A, points to it not being all powerful as you seem to think it is. Tell us how would you catch the people who are plotting to blow up the bus/airliner/ship you are going to travel on, without surveillance on everyone until such time as they turn out to be like me, and lead a very mundane life, without thoughts of harming my fellow man???
AlwaysAWinner 5/17/2014 1:30:39 PM Report
I would prevent terrorism BY NOT BREAKING THE LAWS
4th amendment, duh
the massive NSA recordings of information is all ILLEGAL. they're warrant less searches, plain and simple
come back to me when a government can follow it's own laws
and not just their laws, everyone else laws too.
AlwaysAWinner 5/17/2014 1:36:50 PM Report
they're not even just collecting meta-data, they're collecting everything but they're lying about it, and lying about other things
this isn't some conspiracy shit. I've seen some of the documents for things like fiber backbone splitting on the ISP level, and how some of the software groups users and essentially creates a facebook but for the government
they knew what they were doing was illegal and on a huge scale. they don't care. they want the data and they're doing everything to get it
this guy stood up to a bully, and people have the audacity to criticize him and stick up for the bully. he might not be a hero, but he's not a villain either, unless you're a blind patriotic dummy
mallet 5/17/2014 2:09:08 PM Report
So I guess you have something to hide then.. What part do I not get, that someone is going to break the laws and only then can I get a warrant to do whatever it is the NSA and CSIS and MI5 does. Is that not shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted?? I do not know the technical means of doing all this, but why should I care, I am not going to do anything illegal. So tell me, what harm is being done to me as an individual...
steelworker 5/17/2014 2:13:46 PM Report
Watch out mallet or there will be a black helicopter over your residence. Paranoid people deserve a paranoid government.
theprotector 5/17/2014 2:13:50 PM Report
status I 100% disagree with everything you said, your post hints, yet again, of equating non religious actions to your hatred for anything non christian. How exactly do you relate the "stoneage" to a nonchristain religion? YOur rant is sad and misguided and unfortunatly supported by others. This happen when hilter came to power and blamed everything on the jews did it not? Sorry smells like hate propaganda to me.
BIG BROTHER 5/17/2014 2:27:19 PM Report
Oops....rw, could you tiny url this for me please...
EricThe SHERIFF 5/17/2014 2:46:18 PM Report
There you go
irishfey 5/17/2014 3:03:54 PM Report
Stats.. You mean that you wouldn't give Snowden a " trial?" ( Hallem case )..... Anyway, i bought a new purse the other day and the lady sold us some cover things to put our debit and charge cards in so hackers could not get the info. I guess that there are folks around that carry the equipment that when they walk by you they can transfer your info into this thing and steel your info. First i heard of this,, gee nothing is safe anymore!!
BIG BROTHER 5/17/2014 3:04:37 PM Report
Snobank 5/17/2014 3:33:45 PM Report
It seems a little levity wouldn't hurt today. I first posted this late last night so I doubt anybody saw it. It is one of the most unconsciously funny political interviews I have seen on the net in a long time.
At no time anywhere have I ever seen a politician at such a loss and talk complete nonsense for so long a time. It even beats Hudack's sort of interview at the music establishment yesterday. Just to give you a god laugh.
irishfey 5/17/2014 3:58:04 PM Report
Everytime i see a picture of Hudack,, i keep thinking, where have i seen him before, then it hit me. Just put the mask on him and we have " Batman"!! ( Michael Keaton ? ) Take a close look next time ,lol
lookaround 5/17/2014 4:05:13 PM Report
Yes Steelworker correct and that is why Harper doesn't want the truth to be known because the truth will set us free. vote liberal and the truth will set you free from so much taxes that Harper spends at speeds faster than the Arctic ice melts.
mallet 5/17/2014 4:40:00 PM Report
As I said previously, they better bring a good book because they are going to be mightily bored by the time their shift is over.. I would have a guess but they would have monitored more of my posts to "Sootoday" than I would have sent to "Al Jeezera"... LOL.
steelworker 5/17/2014 4:51:28 PM Report
lookaround: so if the ice is melting faster than Harper can spend money we should all invest in camels.
mallet 5/17/2014 5:02:39 PM Report
You know why the Arabs all rush out from the oasis to meet the Camel trains?
Well you want to get a pretty one, Don't you...
statusquo 5/17/2014 5:08:51 PM Report
Always a winner,
"jesus christ do you drape yourself in american flags and paint eagles on your truck?"
No. But I might one day. But I do clean my ears with my truck keys and I just picked up a delightful pair of silicone testicles at Walmart that I can hang from my trailer hitch of my Chevy.
Don't ever accuse me of not having style. Double denim all the way baby!
Having clarified that.....the choice of your moniker and style of writing suggests that you are very young. Less than 30, I would guess. You seem highly proficient in internet technology and thus, you're "hip" with that and it is no surprise that Snowden might be up your alley in more ways then one.
You certainly have a point and it is up to you in choosing what you value more, absolute privacy or uncertainty of when the next one is going to go off and maim you, your children, your friends and family. And btw, next time you bring up comparable acts of terror you may want to evaluate whether the Boston bombings with pressure cookers were in any way shape or form in the same league with 9/11.
Now on to my beloved "protector".
I am sorry I equated some Middle Eastern states or sub Saharan nations with being stuck in the stone age.
Maybe you have a better way of finding less offensive terms in describing that region for the hacking off of hands for theft, the death penalty for homosexuality, the treating of women like chattel, the genital mutilations of young girls, the kidnapping of schoolgirls because they seek an education, the stoning for adulterous women or as of late the death penalty and the flogging with 100 lashes of a woman that did not convert to Islam in the Sudan after getting legally married to a Muslim.
Or maybe you took offense because I gave the people of the stone age a bad rap?
And as far as labeling me a Christian...think again....I don't want anything to do with that cult in any way shape or form, it's just that Islam is a far easier target now.
I hope I clarified things up for "yous" guys.
Oh, before I forget, "Always a Winner"....if you're looking for the acne medication...check the second drawer in the cabinet in the downstairs guest bathroom.
Mr. Poster 5/17/2014 5:24:45 PM Report
When I see Hudak I immediately wonder....where is his barrel of snake oil.
Bill_the_Cat 5/17/2014 5:49:38 PM Report
Here is an interesting take on the Snowden affair from my colleagues at the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists:
A bit too sympathetic for my liking, but Gusterson has some salient points.
Always has completely missed SQs point. Working in IT does not offer any specific advantages to understanding national security. Snowden is a spy, not a whistleblower.
Were he a whistleblower, he'd have stayed in Hawaii after leaking documents and suffered the legal consequences. Instead he fled to non-friendly foreign powers (final destination Venezuela or Cuba if I recall correctly) and offered them the info. That is the textbook definition of espionage.
Already there is a serious degradation in SIGINT. Thanks Snowden.
Snowden, like Philby, will stay in Russia as long as is convenient. He has already been warned by their government to not travel too much in country. So house arrest then.
If this business ends in a shooting war over the Baltics, then expect Snowden to be traded for an FSB agent. This will be followed by a stay in death row.
steelworker 5/17/2014 6:02:23 PM Report
mallet: I'm no pervert so I will stick with Ms. Sheepy thank you very much.
Bill_the_Cat 5/17/2014 6:11:43 PM Report
SQ: I really do think that many younger folk are looking back to the days of the 60s protests as halcyon years. Stories from their parents, the media, and (unfortunately not yet dead) ex-hippie teachers and professors have clouded their collective judgment. They seem willing to protest anything to spite 'the Man'. Even though they (mostly white middle class) are technically 'the Man'.
For my money, I choose to remember the Hard Hat riots of the early 70s.
That's a union movement I can get behind.
mac headrick 5/17/2014 6:19:08 PM Report
In my case I'm the "old" man.
theprotector 5/17/2014 6:20:32 PM Report
stats let me get this straight you wish your were american, where they put to death the most people as a penalty in the industrialized world, alway have the most wrongfully convicted in the industrial world and Canada which inprisons the most number of kids under the age of eighteen in the industrial world, yet hate the middle east because of a few forms of punishment that goes against your judao-christain heritage? You support all the capital punishment and the "oops" with the dozens of inmate that have had their life taken by a flawed system yet can sit back and judge another culture because you dont like their beliefs, skin colour and dress? Again you seem to love propagating hate dont you
statusquo 5/17/2014 6:24:13 PM Report
Thank you Bill,
I never said I am ok with the government spying on me...and Snowden could have done it differently. He could have contacted a congressman, a senator, the media , Oprah for all I care and divulged what the NSA is doing . Of course the consequences for him could have been dire, but not as dire as the U.S and NATO's situation is now after he revealed specific details about our surveillance methods. Not only that....he ran to the enemy with thousands of classified documents!
This is treason!
Does anyone think for a second that we have any privacy?
I will not go so far as to say that if you're not doing anything illegally you don't have nothing to worry about, I am not that naive......but there is a trade off between security and privacy. It has now been severely compromised as the U.S has a monumental task at hand to rewrite and re model the way they conduct intelligence operations, as Snowden revealed very sensitive information to powers we really don't want to come in possession of such knowledge. To hail this little prick as a "hero" is beyond comprehension!
Bill_the_Cat 5/17/2014 6:29:42 PM Report
theprot: China leads in executions by far. It reasons, given the corruption within the Chinese system, it must also leads in wrongful executions.
Stats for imprisoned are not easy to find for that country.
The US is not perfect by a long shot, but it is better than so many.
Bill_the_Cat 5/17/2014 6:31:59 PM Report
Fix the wrongs inherent in the system one finds oneself.
The US Congress expressed misgivings on the NSA programmes more than 10 years ago--with private concerns going back to the advent of ECHELON. There are any number of friendly senators or congressmen who would have gone to bat for Snowden.
TFinn 5/17/2014 6:34:26 PM Report
theprotector 5/17/2014 6:20:32 PM
"the middle east because of a few forms of punishment that goes against your judao-christain heritage?"
Really ..a few forms of punishment as you call it ...so which of the few forms are you talking about , stoning a women for adultery or giving a death sentence to a young 8 month pregnant married mother just because she is a Christian not Muslim..!
statusquo 5/17/2014 6:38:41 PM Report
You are defending the indefensible!
The U.S and Canada are far from perfect, but to me it seems we try.
The Muslim countries ruled by radical Imams seem to move backwards.
I never brought up skin colour or race...it is you that plays that card over and over again due to your underdeveloped reading comprehension skills.
I really think you may have some unresolved anger management issues.
Bill_the_Cat 5/17/2014 6:39:14 PM Report
mac: middle-aged 'cat' here. Meow.
Now where are my MC Hammer trousers....
steelworker 5/17/2014 7:15:58 PM Report
BIG BROTHER 5/17/2014 8:18:46 PM Report
I read the link to the Bulletin of Atomic...
It actually is sympathetic to Manning and somewhat sympathetic to Snowden, for all the reasons discussed here, for the most part.
For my part, the Vietnam War was a prelude to Iraq. If we forget the past, we tend to repeat it. Like Iraq, the Vietnam War was based on the pretext of lies to the American people. Maintaining and teaching that history is not wrong!! and passing it off as idealistic 'bunch of hippies' actually dismisses the wrongs inflicted on innocent people and requires a certain level of mass denial. I grew up with the Vietnam War, with the daily body counts on the evening news. The US lost 50,000 plus young men in that war. Not a pittance and not so easily dismissed as about a bunch of stoned rabble rousing hippies with nothing better to do today, so let's protest something.
I'm not quite ready to dismiss Always quite yet. He has presented some insights into meta searches, which I have just found out to be a very deep search into someone's past, if so desired. Having nothing to hide shouldn't over-ride the need for search warrants, IMO. I've yet to see find the claim that Snowden passed on any info to the enemy. Please provide a link.
Bill_the_Cat 5/17/2014 8:27:04 PM Report
BB: from the WSJ
US military satellites spied Russian troops amassing within striking distance of Crimea last month. But intelligence analysts were surprised because they hadn't intercepted any telltale communications where Russian leaders, military commanders or soldiers discussed plans to invade, writes The Wall Street Journal. America's vaunted global surveillance is a vital tool for US intelligence services, especially as an early-warning system and as a way to corroborate other evidence. In Crimea, though, US intelligence officials are concluding that Russian planners might have gotten a jump on the West by evading US eavesdropping.
Sorry, behind paywall, but full article can be found....elsewhere.
As you suspect, most of this stuff is not going to be on Reuters.
I agree with the Bulletin that 'terrorists' long ago switched to couriers, knowing the danger of electronic comms. The other issues raised by the op-ed are quite valid--but also distinct from the action of the individuals in question.
Bill_the_Cat 5/17/2014 8:31:02 PM Report
bb: I am not in the habit of dismissing any point of view. Internet arguments are hard to finesse. My default position is humour with a good deal of cynicism.
I do admit a bit of exasperation when someone seems to be parroting Chomsky/Rush/TalkingRadioBobbleHead to the detriment of trying to understand a position.
BIG BROTHER 5/17/2014 8:33:59 PM Report
The Pentagon Papers were, in short...'that the US government had lied about the reasons for the Vietnam War and about progress in fighting it.'
Quote from the article. Sounds quite familiar. Iraq is a Muslim majority country. If we don't like their methods, why would we engage them on the level the US did. It's like saying...'that hornets nest is miles away from me, but I'm going to smash it, just for the heck of it'. Then wondering why the hornets are chasing you all the way back home.
Anyway, it is interesting to discuss. But, it's a full time job doing the proper research.
BIG BROTHER 5/17/2014 8:37:14 PM Report
You're right Bill.
I have a hard time typing a sentence without drooling on the keyboard. I've improved much over the years, but I've had no formal typing lessons, per se.
Your statement did sound dismissive, but I know what you mean about the internet discussions. Usually funny sarcasm comes across as disrespectfully wrong, at times.
Bill_the_Cat 5/17/2014 8:41:41 PM Report
bb: I'm a late 60s baby, so Vietnam was just something on telly--a war my country did not join or condone. My analogy to hippies was a clumsy way of stating that every generation seems to desire an Other to protest against: working conditions in the 20s/30s/40s; the Vietnam war; nuclear disarmament (my generation); Occupy and Idle no More today.
The strength and intensity of these demonstrations, fueled by a resurgence of anarchists and police state syncophants, seem to be increasing. I would that people would choose their subjects more carefully. Perhaps I am too close as a participant in current affairs to see objectively?
Bill_the_Cat 5/17/2014 8:43:59 PM Report
At any rate, apologies to Always if I wrote brusquely. Mea culpa.
BIG BROTHER 5/17/2014 9:09:44 PM Report
The '60's were not just another protest movement. It was a revolution. Not only the Vietnam War....JFK assassination, his brother Robert. Martin Luther King, the 'Cold War', Russian aggression, US aggression. The end of the innocence. Listen to the music from that period (Bob Dylan, Neil Young, etc.)....it reflects society's condition. The National Guard turning their weapons on their own people. The music was revolutionary itself. Riots in the US over Civil Rights. 'Black Day in July'.
The 2nd. WW was the war to end all wars....another'big lie'. But, it was a spark for huge hope for the world.
I'm one of those 'hippies'. When the 'truth' turns out to be a lie; when young people are drafted to fight the war for 'The Man'. And 'rich kids' don't have to go, cause daddy's got big dough'. And those same rich kids grow up, become President and start another war, based on another lie....well, how many lies does one have to swallow before they 'puke' them back up (rebel).
Bobby Nerves 5/17/2014 9:32:00 PM Report
In your last paragraph you sound like Snowden.
BIG BROTHER 5/17/2014 9:42:00 PM Report
irishfey 5/17/2014 9:43:21 PM Report
Funny ( not) that the term " Jesus Christ'' is popping up on here. You can't say anything about the Muslims God Alah, or even draw a picture of him, you can't talk about the Natives etc. but it seems that there is no problem taking the Lords name in vain! If you intend to do this, at least put a capital on the name!!.. Stats... watch that key, cleaning your ears, it's too close to the brain.. oops, too late! :):).. But really,, please, find another way to express yourself, thank you. Can you imagine if all the Christians were like the Muslims and cut off body parts for insulting Jesus or even if they had the people arrested for doing this.. The jails wouldn't hold them all!.. I am just asking you not to do this in a nice manner,, thank you....
AlwaysAWinner 5/17/2014 10:22:14 PM Report
even meta-data is too much, as much as it's meta-data now, it really shouldn't be in the future. too much is too revealing. with just meta-data, you can know if someone has depression, is cheating on their wife, or has an addiction to something. might seem like a stretch to you or others, but if you understand the amount of information they have available from meta-data, and you understand how it can be used, then you quickly realize it's a big violation of privacy and rights.
also someone mentioned IT before, IT has nothing to do with this. I mentioned IT in the first place because I was trying to make a point that I work in IT, not that snowden understands national security more than the regular person. he saw a big problem, and did something about it
yeah he might not be a hero, but he's no villain
AlwaysAWinner 5/17/2014 10:25:00 PM Report
"You certainly have a point and it is up to you in choosing what you value more, absolute privacy or uncertainty of when the next one is going to go off and maim you, your children, your friends and family."
so you're a delusional fool who thinks this information will prevent all attacks like that
guess what, you can do a lot of damage without electronic communications.
AlwaysAWinner 5/17/2014 10:28:42 PM Report
you have a horrible attitude of "if you're not doing anything wrong then..."
it's not about that. you might not be doing anything wrong but it's not okay for me to sit in front of your window and watch you in your house all day
you had rights, you had privacy, but since you're not doing anything wrong (we don't even know that), you lose your rights and your privacy. you clearly don't give a shit about the privacy of others, which is a sad thing to do.
you're the definition of taking it in the asshole, and doing nothing about it
Bill_the_Cat 5/17/2014 11:46:56 PM Report
Snowden saw a problem and sold it to unfriendly powers. Many people sell out their countries--the reasons why they do it don't really matter in the end.
Trade Snowden for a covert op, give him a medal for exposing serious weaknesses and illegalities within the national security framework, and hang him for treasonous activity.