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View Room Comments for Friday, May. 9 2014

Friday, May 09, 2014   by: The Soap BoxWelcome to the View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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lookaround 5/9/2014 4:48:47 AM Report

Hello fellow posters. Early bird gets the worm. Have a nice day and be nice. lol .
theprotector 5/9/2014 7:08:50 AM Report

Wow that was a wicked storm last night, I didnt expect to see all that thunder and wind blowing until Sunday at my mother in laws!
Mr. Poster 5/9/2014 7:10:30 AM Report

The grass is greening up...birds chirping,,Friday already...campaign signs popping up to enhance the landscape...mothers day on the horizon...WE GOT IT ALL...enjoy the day.
flyhawk25 5/9/2014 8:14:48 AM Report

So Tim Hudak will freeze all public sector wages for two years if he is elected.Tough day to be a retired firefighter and have to ask your former mates to get you elected so you can freeze their pay.Mr. Fremlin must wonder what he has gotten himself into.
Mr. Poster 5/9/2014 8:18:50 AM Report

As this election campaign moves along I would expect Hudak to further "implode".It is astonishing to me that the Con party itself cannot see what a terrible leader he is. I would think Tim and company are destined to come in THIRD.
Bobby Nerves 5/9/2014 8:21:01 AM Report

Holy smokes, a man in Alabama kills his wife and the pet parrot, because they talked too much.

Well, you have to consider that those parrots can live till 120 years and annoy two generations.

You see, if the USA would allow dogs to carry concealed guns, this tragedy could have been avoided.
POKER 5/9/2014 8:35:38 AM Report

The problem with Hudak is that he is to honest. He should do what liberals do. Make all kinds of promises and tell people what they want to hear, than do something completely different once elected.
BIG BROTHER 5/9/2014 8:36:08 AM Report

Heads up.

RW alert. He's all over the news sites, spreading joy and goodwill.

His hiatus has only been directed at this site. He even passed on some quite attractive bait, as one poster dumped on Hudak and the Cons in general with nary a peep from our rw!!
theprotector 5/9/2014 8:47:44 AM Report

sorry but honest? Really? None of them are honest, if they are being honest or trying to be then their handlers have slipped up.

I cannot comment on the PC leader as I havent heard him speak...but really they could do better on the attach adds, maybe find an Ontario company to create ad instead of off shore. Especailly if your platform is going to be job creation for Ontario and not just southern ontario
theprotector 5/9/2014 8:48:09 AM Report

oops and I said I couldnt comment
flyhawk25 5/9/2014 9:02:40 AM Report

BB...who really cares.
It's nice to write not having to look over your shoulder waiting for the same old personal attacks ad nauseum.
Grump I miss but we have lunch once in a while.The other guy just eats bugs and larva down in the cess pool.
Wisenheimer 5/9/2014 9:14:48 AM Report

Freezing the public's wages for two years!
How could he. The monster !
How would they survive ?
How could they take Sun Wing trips to Cuba? Data plans would become unaffordable. They'd be reduced to cutting coupons and shopping at "No Frills". All this going on, as the debt starts to flat line. What in the world is he thinking!
Wisenheimer 5/9/2014 9:24:18 AM Report

"The guy just eats bugs and larvae down at the cess pool". In Fly's world, that's not a personal attack. Get Grump's take on it at the diner.
Wisenheimer 5/9/2014 9:27:47 AM Report

And Nervous Bob, that's not a personal attack.
Ask your Dad.
Wild Turkey 5/9/2014 9:30:35 AM Report

Want to view something really impressive?Google Russia's 69th Anniversary Victory over The Nazis.A disturbing show of military might.It is about an hour long, but man was it some parade!
theprotector 5/9/2014 9:34:40 AM Report

given the low wage increases the ontario public services have seen over the past half dozen contracts, which does not compare to the COL increases and min wage increases, how benefical would that be? Disgruntled employees working to rule, job reclassfication based on expanding duties to make up for cut backs will only increase wages even with a freeze. The average reclassification cost about 10 000 per year more to just to another class.
Bobby Nerves 5/9/2014 9:37:45 AM Report

And so it's playing with the words.

The time you can issue a balanced message, you may be surprised what you can get as a response.

I enjoy telling the truth, because people is disturbed when they hear the truth and have to confront reality.

Carry on and go make money in the markets that I'll be pushing bricks.
flyhawk25 5/9/2014 10:10:15 AM Report

So far no one has addressed Fremlin's dilemma.
Hudak's solution is a typical narrow Conservative response - if we stifle the big bad unions we can get growing again.
It does not address stupid decisions made by all three parties when they had power,a booming underground economy or executive wages with no basis in reality.
It furthers the economic gap in the province and plays right into the sense of entitlement too many of us have.
notpc 5/9/2014 10:19:34 AM Report

Hudak could do a better job of finding issues that appeal to voters and at the same time, strike at the Liberal's weak spots.. For example, one of Wynne's vulnerabilities is her party's handling of the green energy file. Hudak might consider winning over some people by promising to revoke the law that prevents communities from challenging the placement of wind turbines in their communities. This double standard has been a sore point with many in the province. You can challenge and hold up pipelines almost forever, but you can't do anything to stop a windfarm from going up.
7058262 5/9/2014 10:36:11 AM Report

At the risk of repeating myself, Ms.Wynne is the mistress of misdirection, obfuscation, and deflection. She even, apparently, has the people in her power base [Toronto] believing that, if she is re-elected, everyone already retired and receiving CPP will see an automatic doubling of their pension with the introduction of the OPP [that's Ontario Pension Plan, although for this particular deliberate misdirection perhaps the other OPP should become involved to investigate.

The Ontario Pension Plan isn't.... a plan, that is. It's a tax grab which, if permitted to see the light of day, will further erode our private sector employment by putting small businesses in the position of having to lay off staff to pay the additional payroll tax, or close down altogether, while requiring additional public servants to administer this bit of toxic foolishness.
66cherokee 5/9/2014 10:36:31 AM Report

Mr. Hudak is going to freeze public workers, and that includes members of Parliament. That's great to hear. I worked when the NDP were in power and we had Rae Days. I would have preferred to have had a 5% wage cut than that. You would have paid less taxes, CPP, EI.
Mr. Hudak is promising to get rid of the College of Trades (a tax grab if there ever was one). Before, a tradesman/woman would pay $40 to renew their licence and that was for 3 years. Now it's $120. and that is only for one year. If you hold more than one licence, well guess what?, you pay for every one of them. Many of them have not renewed their licences, and that includes my partner. Hudak wants to have more apprentices out in the work force, and that's something we need. The school are not pushing for trades, but university/colleges. Who is going to fix the teacher's/professor's car? Fix his plumbing, wire his house etc. We need more tradesmen. In some locals, and one that I know personally, the average age of the tradesman is in the 50s.
flyhawk25 5/9/2014 10:39:01 AM Report

notpc...simply follow the money.Who cashed in on the wind farms?
I doubt that it was the average taxpayer.
BIG BROTHER 5/9/2014 10:44:37 AM Report

How about lose your job.

Rae Days were a brilliant stroke, compared to losing your job. And, in most cases, that's what it would have meant.
BIG BROTHER 5/9/2014 10:46:10 AM Report

'Who is going to fix the teacher's/professor's car? Fix his plumbing, wire his house etc. We need more tradesmen. In some locals, and one that I know personally, the average age of the tradesman is in the 50s.'

The FWP should be able to do that for bread and water.
Claudius 5/9/2014 11:02:42 AM Report

@ 7058262 5/9/2014 10:36:11

Where did you hear of this OPP pension plan "misdidirection," 70? I'm curious about the issue you've raised.
Claudius 5/9/2014 11:03:47 AM Report

Sorry- that should be "misdirection." My bad.
wandering 5/9/2014 11:20:44 AM Report

Just see that Kelly Turner is not on the Editorial anymore I think it is a good thing
She put the Sault in shame after all the accusation again HH
and run away and leave all the rest stuck with the problem
Just my say that all
theprotector 5/9/2014 11:24:46 AM Report

if the plan is viable I would like to see the numbers because it would be beneficial!
theprotector 5/9/2014 11:54:37 AM Report

whats the story on that...never heard
theprotector 5/9/2014 11:58:56 AM Report

stats can reports: Canada's ecomonmy unexpectedly loses 28, 900 jobs in April
northernmale 5/9/2014 12:34:44 PM Report

Why does the government not look into a true work program? If we have a family on social assistance or an individual he should be made to go to work be it at Tim,s Macdonalds it does not matter , Then they should take a true look at what it costs to live for a family of 1,2,3, 4 etc. And I mean to live not exist. If it turns out its 23 dollars an hour then pay them the deference. At least they will be able to do something and live with some pride.. Those that choose to not work then choose to go hungry.We are bring in immigrants to do these jobs,We have healthy people who live here think its below them.
Claudius 5/9/2014 12:38:12 PM Report

Mr. Hudak has just veered hard right this morning. While stumping in Barrie he promised to cut 100,000 public jobs. I think this promise will initiate an intense polarization of the electorate. His supporters will be reassured that he is true to his idealogical roots while the left and center left voters will have their worst fears confirmed. It's going to be a bumpy ride, folks!
theprotector 5/9/2014 12:52:17 PM Report

because that was outlawed in the early part of the last centry. Work camps? Child labour..not a good direction to go in modern times. No it has nothing to do with unions something about human rights!
theprotector 5/9/2014 12:53:16 PM Report

clauld nothing wrong with a rough ride every now and then
Bobby Nerves 5/9/2014 12:57:00 PM Report

Claudius, he also is campaigning based in the old knows common sense revolution, reducing the cabinet from 27 ministers to 16, I remember that, was when Mike Harris rented a truck a toured it around down town Toronto with empty chairs.

And Mr. Hudak is talking about blue books to 2016... hmm, I'd like to read the blueprint.
BIG BROTHER 5/9/2014 1:02:00 PM Report

Now he'll have to create a million plus 100,000 jobs. Why not a gazillion bazillion.

A million jobs. Is this one of those promises that the Cons always keep Poker!!!
irishfey 5/9/2014 1:15:28 PM Report

Sootoday is on the ball. A few more posts pulled.. one even " mine!" lol.. Not offended in the least!.. Keep up the good work!! ....
steelworker 5/9/2014 1:29:48 PM Report

The thought police are out in full force.
bounder 5/9/2014 1:37:43 PM Report

Wash out on Mission road about 1 mile in from 552 going North on Mission Rd. Road is closed.
Wisenheimer 5/9/2014 1:41:43 PM Report

Biggest net job loss was 32,000 in Quebec. With New Brunswick, Nova Scotia and P.E.I. bringing up the rear.
Biggest gain, "ta da" Ontario, with net increase of 16,000.
Because survey was taken on "Good Friday" take with the proverbial grain of salt.
Bobby Nerves 5/9/2014 2:01:51 PM Report

Why would the government have any interest in not making public the information about where sex offenders are residing?

It took years of arm twisting to get them to release the information and now, you and I, we have the right to know if any predator is around.

And there are few in Sault Ste. Marie.
Bobby Nerves 5/9/2014 2:15:32 PM Report

And in other column, a Chicago Newspaper is voicing the news: Mr. Clinton will publicly apologize for the Monica Lewinsky affair... to help improve his wife perspectives in the future presidential election in the USA.

How will they call him... the first man?

Willy made it!
flyhawk25 5/9/2014 2:19:38 PM Report

Bobby...want to bet he does not say 'lied'?
steelworker 5/9/2014 2:32:42 PM Report

Bill can always use the "Benghazi Defence". Lie through your teeth and when all else fails start screaming "What does it matter??" It works for some politicians.
Truck 5/9/2014 2:39:12 PM Report

Ontario Public sector wages have been frozen for the past 4 years! when they initially froze them....employees were told it'd be a temporary 2 year freeze. That was 4 yrs ago.....Mr. Hudak must have forgot!
mallet 5/9/2014 4:02:32 PM Report

For something a little different...

I am not sure whether this should be a warning or a sales pitch...

For anyone thinking of using Haviland Shore Drive... watch out for the potholes.. the existing ones are getting larger and there are new crops coming up all over... You want potholes see the MTO...
soowat 5/9/2014 4:08:49 PM Report

Don't waste your time calling the MTO about potholes. Call Kathy Wynne's buddies at Bonfield services. They are the ones who are getting paid obscene amounts of money to look after our roads. I'm sure they will do the same fine job as they did during the winter. I'm waiting for sootoday to announce Hwy 17N. is closed because of potholes
POKER 5/9/2014 4:27:11 PM Report

Big Brother, I don't know and either do you and we won't know until the conservatives are elected. What we do know are the liberal lies and scandals. health tax, gas plant cover up and more.
steelworker 5/9/2014 4:40:39 PM Report

If the Liberals get re-elected in Ontario they will create 10,000 jobs by hiring workers to tear down gas-plants. Another 5,000 I.T. workers can be hired to scrub gov't computers of all those nasty memos.
mallet 5/9/2014 4:44:04 PM Report


Bonfiled does not look after the Road Board roads, they only look after the Hyways... and you may be critical of them but you really cannot do road repairs until the frost and water is out of the potholes and I drive from the Havilland shores turnoff and I have had no trouble all winter... The MTO Municpal roads people do all the side roads...
Bobby Nerves 5/9/2014 5:11:14 PM Report

Ottawa, we have problems!

Canada's economy shed 29,000 jobs in April but the employment rate stayed flat at 6.9 per cent.

Fewer people looking for work caused the jobless rate to stay the same, Statistics Canada said Friday.

Economists had anticipated an increase of 12,000 jobs for April, according to Thomson Reuters.

"There has been little overall employment growth in Canada since August 2013," the data agency said in a release Friday.


And now the creative excuse, no, we don't lose any job, what happened is that our job growth was to high in the last 12 months and now it seems like there are no jobs... no, is not that, what really happens is that there are more people looking for jobs that are not there.

As the Little Guy from Shawinigan said, The one that has a proof has a proof and a proof is a proof.

But we are working hard for a balanced budget.

And if you're not satisfied, because you lost your job, here is why it looks like there are no jobs out there:

For comparison purposes, the U.S. jobless rate dropped from 6.6 per cent to 6.3 per cent in May — but Statistics Canada says Canada and the U.S. count their data in different ways, and if Canada's numbers are calculated the way the U.S. calculates them, then Canada's rate drops to six per cent.

mallet 5/9/2014 5:16:30 PM Report

Bobby N...

You know that figures don't lie but liars figure... ask any accountant.. there are phrases like "accepted accounting practices". Even when in an elected position I never really understood that, just had to accept it was the way business was done...
Bobby Nerves 5/9/2014 5:20:33 PM Report

Fly, right you are. Sometimes you have to be grateful this guys do not have the total power of Putin, Castro or Mugabe.

Would that be the case, we all will have to carry a bottle of mouthwash.

Bobby Nerves 5/9/2014 5:30:39 PM Report

Mallet, I think fly or redranger can help me in this one, but mathematics is an exact science... I think it's not.

An example is the value of pi, 3.1416, that's accepted as approximated enough to be exact, but the value could also be:

It's said that mathematics is an exact science, but mathematicians use inexact term, said Read.

And forget about the value of zero.
lookaround 5/9/2014 5:32:05 PM Report

Steelworker better than nothing which is what you will get with Hudak. Where is Hudak going to create jobs?

Most likely giving McDEEs make work projects called Hire Canadians.
Bobby Nerves 5/9/2014 5:40:53 PM Report

Mallet, Fly... watch this guy and listen to what his has to say cause he's not missing one. One of the best speeches ever.
bounder 5/9/2014 5:47:20 PM Report

That's what I like, copy and paste add a few words and pretend it's mine.
Bobby Nerves 5/9/2014 6:06:26 PM Report

Yes Sir, but at least I'll learn and have room for improvement.
Bobby Nerves 5/9/2014 6:09:00 PM Report

And Sir, I could very well answered...

Gee, I never looked at it that way before

steelworker 5/9/2014 6:12:25 PM Report

lookaround: all Hudak has to do is get rid of the "green energy" bullcrap and drop the hydro rates in Ontario. Time for the hippies to leave and let Ontario become the indusrial powerhouse it once was.
OrlandoFlorida 5/9/2014 6:13:26 PM Report

Only non unionized public sector wages are frozen as per Bill 55. Those employees not in a union will not be eligible for a raise until the province no longer carries a deficit, again as defined in Bill 55. ALL unionized public servants i.e.) police, firefighters teachers are exempt from the wage freeze.
theprotector 5/9/2014 6:18:15 PM Report

what is the unemployment rate here in sault ste. marie and surrounding area? Look at all the federal jobs moved out of the sault, look at all the provincial cuts. Sure stereotype those workers as much as you want, but they are people from your community, they are people that buy things here, they are going or about to leave town for toronto where all things are going. I get the the conservatives hate public sector workers however typically they cry the loudest when they dont get what they think the deserve. But this is our tax base and we have double digit unemployment and none of the local leaders seem to care or have enough in them to say hey enough is enough!
flyhawk25 5/9/2014 6:29:12 PM Report

We're getting into a pile of elections - finally.
It's time to hold our representatives' feet to the fire and ask for answers
Let's translate some of the collective unhappiness from sites like this to them.
lookaround 5/9/2014 6:45:43 PM Report

Steels wants to be a slave to big oil. Go ahead pray to the God called big oil. Keep feeding the God pump as you breathe a concoction of unknown chemicals. Your wallet is getting lighter haha go ahead.
theprotector 5/9/2014 6:46:10 PM Report

I agree fly.

and as a matter of note, I have really enjoyed being able to discuss topics without the name calling and constant war. I think over the past couple of days even though many have not agreed, the poison is gone from those that remain.
Bobby Nerves 5/9/2014 6:48:48 PM Report

Fly, what do you think will happen with Mr. Orazzieti?

He'll be reelected and there is little doubt about it, but what his aspirations are for a minority liberal government.

He's part of the cabinet now. What could he and the Soo expect in the future?

His honesty and integrity and hard work for the Soo is out of discussion, but, will he be back to a MPP plain an simple, speaker, whip or a more important Ministry, Education, Health, and counting.
bounder 5/9/2014 6:56:38 PM Report

Invest in the Green weed ,the riches are tenfold and then some.
That will take a pile of change out of the crooks pockets, a step in the right direction. Many people have filed lawsuits against the government to grow their own medication, if you call it that.
Like gambling the government wants in on the action, under the guise of controlled substance and quality.
flyhawk25 5/9/2014 7:07:44 PM Report

Bobby...I am no expert but David O is a cabinet minister and had a jump to prepare for this.All he needs is 33% + one to win.
No one is bulletproof but he is close.
Snobank 5/9/2014 8:11:05 PM Report

"Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished
by being governed by those who are dumber."
--- Plato (427-347 B.C.)
statusquo 5/9/2014 8:56:17 PM Report


For a fraction of a second you had me thinking that one of the Bible thumpers reared their delusional head...but was Plato .
Bobby Nerves 5/9/2014 9:16:56 PM Report

I can hear the applause.

statusquo 5/9/2014 10:20:10 PM Report

for something completely different,

Today in Ottawa they had a ceremony to honour the fallen and injured of the Afghanistan war .
A pompous ceremony about patriotism and pride.

If our government would be serious about honouring our veterans and their families, especially the families of the fallen and injured, I would think they should start by treating them with a bit more dignity and afford them the care and financial support they desperately need after being sent to a god forsaken hell hole , fighting and dying for a lost cause we had no business whatsoever to engage in!

I have said it in the past and I say it again and sadly, I am right and was right in the fact that Afghanistan is the same pathetic excuse of a country.
Little has changed and as far as eradicating the threat of Islamic radicalism towards the West, the Taliban and its many other cousins in ideology and radicalism simply shifted to a different geographical and operational strategic area.
158 Canadians dead and thousands injured physically and mentally...for what?
We will not and cannot "win" this war in the way we have been fighting it with "surgical" interventions.
We are losing it bit by bit, by pussyfooting around and having so called "allies" like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan that are the main financiers of Islamic radicals and last but not least allowing more and more immigration into our countries from Muslim countries coupled with a prolific birthrate of said Muslims .
If they cannot overwhelm us militarily they will, eventually outnumber us in our own country.
The West has undergone a long and bloody era to become a reasonably tolerant and more or less democratic platform that allows free expression and freedom from religious yokes .
We are certainly not perfect....but it says something when immigration is mostly a one way street from "their" countries to "ours..i.e Western Europe and North America. We western countries must be doing something right!
And yet, they want to introduce the same inane, archaic, sheep herding desert dwelling traditions in their host countries they initially fled from!
Subjugating women to property status, draping them in veils and denying them a proper education and worshiping an illiterate prophet that took a nine year old as a wife!
And yet ...we MUST respect their religion...or so we are told, lest we be called bigots and racists.
If we, as a sentient , liberal minded and enlightened civilization do not wake up and face the threat head on we will die and succumb to something dark and abysmally stupid .
We have relegated the fanatic, fundamentalist Christians to the time out corner they deserve to be kept in, we should start post haste to do the same with Islam!

Wisenheimer 5/9/2014 10:27:24 PM Report

I tire of the no minds that inhabit this site.
statusquo 5/9/2014 10:40:38 PM Report

It is worth re iterating,

"We have relegated the fanatic, fundamentalist Christians to the time out corner they deserve to be kept in"

Interesting to note that as of late we have not been pestered with redundant and utterly inane bible quotes from the resident "scholars" as I think they have come to the realization that when it comes to a reasoned debate they cannot stand a chance against somebody with an IQ merely above room temperature or "moi" that will eradicate any and all claims to a personal, intervening , personal God not unlike hunting dairy cows with an AK47 .( to steal a quote from P.J O'Rourke).
statusquo 5/9/2014 10:52:29 PM Report

I shall miss you Wisen,

Mostly your wit and discerning palate.
The wise and smart investor shall be no more.
The one who will notice and report the crass discrepancy of price fluctuations between rotisserie chicken across international borders .
The one proclaiming proudly about his baptized and heterosexually married children and discerning rum drinker.
Be well my friend and prosper.
May God be with you.
66cherokee 5/9/2014 11:20:25 PM Report

Truck, I don't know where you get your info, but civil servant wages have not been frozen. My sis in law has gotten a raise, yes a raise, so they aren't frozen.
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