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View Room Comments for Wednesday, May. 7 2014

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Mr. Poster 5/7/2014 7:23:09 AM Report

Good morning. Is OZZIE in or out? There was some talk earlier about Ozzie possibly being the Conservative candidate .Perhaps the local association has opted for another candidate being parachuted in ????
gcubed 5/7/2014 7:46:42 AM Report

I don't believe there will be another parachute. I understand that there are three locals interested in running.
Bobby Nerves 5/7/2014 7:55:02 AM Report



Would our representative in Ottawa let the Prime Minister know that it's frightening to ALL CANADIANS the latest attacks to the Supreme Court and the Judiciary.

Mr. Harper, the Reform Party branch of the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada will not save any maneuver to force his way.

The local MP, so concerned about his tarnished image, REPRESENTS ALL CANADIANS independently of the political affiliations.



Just Curious 5/7/2014 7:56:12 AM Report

Mr Poster; After electing one councillor to a higher position and getting virtually nothing for it federally, why would we want to do it provincially?? Not sure yet who to vote for as I'm pretty sure we are still gonna be in a minority government situation, judging by all the polls. They will all promise the moon to get in, it's what we may get afterwards that worries me.
Mr. Poster 5/7/2014 8:03:50 AM Report

justcurious... In no way am I supportive of Ozzie...only wondering if he is in or out. I hear you re Hayes.
crasher14 5/7/2014 8:04:58 AM Report

Isn't it sad the that the local Police Department allow thier own to ignor the law? How many of them have expired plates, or driving around without front plates on thier car? Where are the OPP?
Wild Turkey 5/7/2014 8:20:44 AM Report

I for one would vote for Ozzie(Osborne)His "Paranoid "is classic words to live by.
Bobby Nerves 5/7/2014 8:28:51 AM Report


Good side of the wild turkeys, they do not mix with the crows.

Could see few of them while driving down south last weekend... but they have less meat than a ladies knee.

No worth to hunt any right now, better wait till November and trap them before the putt is sound.
flyhawk25 5/7/2014 8:37:29 AM Report

An impressive panel of climate experts appointed by the White House reports that we are hastening our own demise with our dependence on fossil fuels.
Pity that rw is on vacation or he'd be leading the tin hat chorus in denigrating them.
When his great grandchildren are in the dark and glowing they can tell Al Gore myths.
Bobby Nerves 5/7/2014 8:37:47 AM Report

Today is May 07, McHAPPY DAY, take a minute to have a coffee and one dollar of each coffee and other products will go to Ronald McDonald Houses and other charities.

Enjoy a coffee with friends and help a good cause.

The coffee is great.
bounder 5/7/2014 8:40:36 AM Report

Well another clueless post, copy and paste would lead to a better understanding of some posters.
BIG BROTHER 5/7/2014 8:41:39 AM Report

I saw that last night also fly. The 'Flat Earth Society' is alive and well.
theprotector 5/7/2014 8:46:03 AM Report

hunter I was reading the posts from last night, although you attempt to provide and argument for guns there are a few issues with your position:
1) You need to decide your position - are you against all gun control or just gun control that prevents you from possesing the guns you want
2) Your facts are wrong about gun crime and the argument that people kill people and not guns well is at best cliche' and has no merit
3) Who decides who can own a gun? A person is can be considered legally blind with a 10% loss of sight. Given youor position on "rights" what right do you have to prevent gun ownership
4) If a person has a criminal record that does not pertain to violence and/or violence with a weapon why cant they own a gun? Is you position such that they have a predispositon to abuse the firearm because of their record.
5) Reveiw the crimes with guns in Canada, how would a person who was allowed to carry a gun could have prevented it from happening? Would it not add to the situation since you cant tell the good guys from the bad guys?
6) What level of gun control wouold be acceptable to you?
Just Curious 5/7/2014 9:32:54 AM Report

Bounder, which clueless post are you referring to?? Some times it's hard to tell. Have you read ignorantNortherner's posts re the female noise complaints??
irishfey 5/7/2014 10:17:20 AM Report

Morning J.C.. re.. 'they all promise the moon".. Yeh, and we end up getting it " where the sun don't shine" ,lol... Clueless posts?? Really?, I hadn't noticed :) But remember.. we have to try and be nice in here. So far it's going quite well, no?... I did post last night in here at the end,.. Please read!... that the word " moron " hasn't been used for quite a few days until yesterday, i just hope that some got the point!.. Some will still be testing the waters to see how far they can go,like yesterday, but Sootoday and a nice poster put a stop to it!.. We all have to band together and keep this site going as it was intended as i think it will make Skipper Dave proud and others that are watching will join in. Is humour needed? yes, but in a respectable way..... J.C.. how is scruffy doing?.. Hugs to your pal, and yes.. Hugs to you too PRO:)... Later folks,, and Have a great day!
flyhawk25 5/7/2014 10:25:44 AM Report

There's a difference between pointed personal attacks and sitting around the fire singing Kumbaya.
In the process of cleaning out the crazies we are in danger of becoming a social forum filled with group hugs and no opinions on anything but ... well little actually.
Christina216 5/7/2014 10:29:06 AM Report

McDonalds coffee is pretty good..i like the buy a coffee and buy a muffin for 10 cents.
Wisenheimer 5/7/2014 10:29:20 AM Report

Fly ... You best be sending that Ontario Teachers's Pension check back.
Big positions in Canadian Natural Resources, Chesapeake Energy, NewVista, etc. Plus CSX and CN Rail to haul the poison around.
Don't keep encouraging them as they destroy your world.
Wicket 5/7/2014 10:52:43 AM Report

Fly - ditto; boring, no meaningful discussions, name calling HAD to go BUT.....
Wisenheimer 5/7/2014 11:00:11 AM Report

i like a buy a coffee at Romes upstairs and hope i dont trip and fall eating a muffin going downstairs ... what is your favorite coffe and muffi9n story , huh.
Jimssm 5/7/2014 11:08:01 AM Report

Regarding the knife versus gun argument of yesterday...


You can't compare the two.

Ask any vet.
Just Curious 5/7/2014 11:14:49 AM Report

Wicket I see the same company that held Queen street for ransom all last year has the contract to do London street this year. Wonder how far behind they will be on this job when snow flies this fall. I find it sad sometimes that there are a lot of people out there that can't express an opinion without swearing or being rude, and the more someone disagrees with them the worse they get. I just have the 4G stick now so don't get on as much and it's amazing how much more I get done in a day without this thing.. I may just shut it off entirely for the summer and enjoy the outdoors with the dog..:).
flyhawk25 5/7/2014 11:15:33 AM Report

For the whatever time - the OTPP is supposed to make us money.
Each of the affiliates vet the investments and make recommendations.
My union - OECTA - has one vote of many.
They have tried numerous times to make ethical choices based on their beliefs - especially about social justice - but it is a democratic process.
In the end if the plan does not make a good return someone gets fired.
If you have a beef visit their website and let them know.
I'm sure they're eager for your deep insights.
irishfey 5/7/2014 11:19:36 AM Report

Fly, Wickett and others.. Message in the Red Room .....
mallet 5/7/2014 11:30:03 AM Report


Jimssm..

I don't know Jim, we had a fair amount of "Unarmed Combat" training in my day. Of course we did not have a lot of SLR's in those days, mostly 303's bolt action, with a bayonet. When on the "Red Team" it was fun to creep up and cut the throat of the sentries with the "Rubber Knife". I think however what was being said that basically it is a lot easier to get a knife than a gun (pistol). Also as far as restrictions go, knowing who has a weapon is of little use to the general public, they would not know until the weapon was in view, and Hand Guns have been restricted weapons in Canada since the 1930's I believe, which was always done through the RCMP until they infamous firearms registry came into force. The U K has some of the most strict firearms laws, but they have some of the worst records of killings by knives there are around, so it just goes to show it is not the tool used, it is the person using it!!!
Wicket 5/7/2014 11:58:26 AM Report

justcurious - surprised that they got another contract. They still have to come back and finish what they didn't get done unless the city is giving that part of the job to whoever got the new contract from Riverview eastward.

I usually only check in and scroll on here once or twice a day and when it gets warmer will not even be doing that.

It is amazing how much time using a computer consumes.
Wicket 5/7/2014 11:59:16 AM Report

sorry, Just Curious - didn't realize it was two words - lol
BIG BROTHER 5/7/2014 12:36:25 PM Report

mallet,
You go in one room, packed with 100 people, wielding a knife. I'll go in another room, wielding a gun, packed with 200 people.

After one minute, we'll count to see who killed more people.

I'm not in favour of what our government did, but the US is screwed with their so-called 'right to bear arms'.
Jimssm 5/7/2014 12:43:06 PM Report

If you give both a knife and a gun to a person, and ask them which they'd rather use, I can bet they'd rather use a gun from a distance than get up close and personal with a knife.

Guns are easier.
soowat 5/7/2014 12:59:34 PM Report

Wisenheimer

I am a coffee drinker that has the habit of dunking my muffin in my coffee.Having produced that preamble I will,as Paul Harvey said, tell you the rest of the story

My coffee and muffin story involved my grandson. He was about 6 when he came for a visit. While visiting grandma made coffee and grandson was helping. When I got my coffee there was a muffin floating in it and grandson proudly announced that he had dunked my muffin for me. I politely said thank you and drank my muffin filled coffee.
mallet 5/7/2014 1:31:25 PM Report


Big Brother and Jimssm...

You are both right, but also miss the point, a gun is noisy, a knife isn't. There was a case not so long ago in China, where over 20 odd people were stabbed in, I believe, a railway station.. Yes Jim, I would prefer to stay back and shoot someone, than get in close and knife them, however if I did not want to raise an alarm a knife would be the perferred instrument, but as my old flight sargeant used to say, then you have to clean the blood off your boots.
Wisenheimer 5/7/2014 1:40:48 PM Report

Hey gang, the guy holding his nose when he cashes his monthly OTPP check, is none other than Fly.
He and his union hate it when his fund makes money from oil, gas and rails and wishes they could find other alternatives.
But what the hell, a guy's gotta eat!
curious reader 5/7/2014 1:45:05 PM Report

Very aggressive door to door HVAC seller in PPatch who tried to keep my door open after I said I was not interested and tried to close the door. He then accused me of being rude when I told him to take his hand off the door. Worry about what happens when he approaches seniors on their own so be aware. No logo on clipboard and he introduced himself but not who he was working for.
Wisenheimer 5/7/2014 1:48:07 PM Report

Further FLY, a grand gesture for you and your union buds, would be to return the check every month, as a form of protest.
This would let them know that a certain group of retirees are very disturbed at how the money is made.
This could go a long way to get them to invest in stuff more to your liking.
Well it could!
bounder 5/7/2014 2:04:40 PM Report

As a friend and hunting buddy use to say I like to reach out and touch them,of course he was referring to long rifles.I was bow & arrow guy.Guns are not the right terms unless you're talking about handguns but everything else is rifle, that you can legally own. If I'm wrong correct me.
Wisenheimer 5/7/2014 2:19:42 PM Report

The reasoning goes like this .. hate the way they get my money, wish they didn't have to, have told them so .. but what's a guy to do!
aka .. h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e.
Send the money back, invest in what your heart dictates and hope for happy returns. Your welcome.
(bet you wish what's his name could pipe in with some supportive blather).
Snobank 5/7/2014 2:49:31 PM Report

The OTPP is an arms length organization set up to make money foR retirees but not allow the federations to mess with it. Fly's federation has no real say in it. Fly is no more hypocritical than the rest of us. Your jabbing at him sounds silly and uninformed.

Now, to the important topic of the day: I prefer my coffee black and my muffins blueberry.

Sigh.
popppp 5/7/2014 2:57:54 PM Report

fellow went to my moms sunday asked if she lived alone she said no gradson lived upstairs before he wanted to come in to inspect furance she said noone comes jn very pushy she said grandson coming home left quickly
irishfey 5/7/2014 3:19:33 PM Report

curious reader.. You are so right! The Seniors of today should be very careful. I had a similar experence years back when i lived out in the country ( no neighbours). I seen an unmarked Van pull up on the side of the road and two fellas just sat there for awhile. One got out and came to my door with a can of veggies in his hand and wanted me to ask him in so he could explain about the food he was selling. I polietly said no, that i grew my own and he seemed upset and put his foot in the door when i tried to close it. I was scared to death but only for a few seconds, as that's when my very large German Shephard came around the corner snarling. Boy, did that foot disappear fast!!... I always kept my door locked after that! I hope that all children of Senior Parents have a talk with them about keeping their doors locked and don"t open it to anyone they don't know. Good post btw, we seem to forget that some Seniors are not aware of these things and should be warned.....
irishfey 5/7/2014 3:28:32 PM Report

popppp... Good for your Mom!! Best to tell her not to open her door to anyone!! You sound like a good Son, best to keep her aware. Some not so nice people out there... You have a good day now and bless you...
notpc 5/7/2014 3:33:38 PM Report

I have included a link to a Stats-Can report from 2008, while we still had Firearms Registration, that showed the increase in in percentage of knife-related homicides to the total number, and the relative decrease in gun-related homicides.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/knife-related-homicides-rise-statscan-1.889426

This information proves something I think. Protector said that the argument that people kill people and not guns is a cliche and without merit. On the contrary, this study shows that if you make it harder for people to kill with one instrument, they will find another. In other words, people really are the problem, not the instrument.

Guns are an easy target for a number of reasons, including the fact that with greater urbanization of Western society and people getting all their food from grocery stores instead of growing it or killing it themselves, they tend to forget that firearms actually have useful purposes other than killing other people. People today also tend to be very self-centred and easily offended so if somebody else is carrying out an activity that they don't happen to practice or like, they will sometimes advocate for extra regulation or even an outright ban.
steelworker 5/7/2014 3:48:20 PM Report

..."an impressive panel of climate change experts appointed by the White House". I just blew coffee all over my monitor.
irishfey 5/7/2014 3:50:49 PM Report

notpc... Excellent post!!!! MALLET.. it came to mind when i was posting to curious reader that you had said ( think it was you) that having a gun is useless when faced unaware in a situation when your gun is locked up and not loaded. A knife?? no, not when it might be used against you and who sports a knife all the time?? That's when a dog comes in handy!!! I see lots of Seniors have dogs now for company and even the little yappy ones ( good ankle biters ,lol ) can keep the creeps away..... The Shelter has lots there to adopt... just saying....
flyhawk25 5/7/2014 3:50:50 PM Report

Had you researched it you would see that 3 of the members are CEOs of oil companies.
Wipe up the coffee and go back to sleep.
rockbanger 5/7/2014 3:52:13 PM Report

The argument of being close with a knife and then at distance with a gun..

The next big war WW3 will use the next phase weapon.

Oppenheimer's weapon was made to kill the masses.
Nukes allow the killer to stand way back....!

What type of world have we created.

irishfey 5/7/2014 3:54:23 PM Report

Steels... Send the Whitehouse a bill, and explain why ,lol
Mr. Poster 5/7/2014 4:05:56 PM Report

SOME People tend to get upset when others have good pensions.Do they not understand that in most cases(teachers for sure)these recipients of great pensions contributed into the pension fund from their pay cheques.I see the complainers as being very jealous. Most people have had the same educational opportunities and chose other professions that did not offer as great a pension. That is not the fault of those getting nice pensions.
steelworker 5/7/2014 4:17:06 PM Report

Obama (the Sock Puppet President) is just killing time until he gets the boot and can leave Keystone for the next dummy. All he is trying to do is protect the millions of dollars that come in from enviromental groups to the Democratic Party. Roll over and adjust those rose-coloured glasses.
Jimssm 5/7/2014 4:38:40 PM Report

Wisen...

The teacher's union has nothing to do with the teacher's pension plan.

Only one of nine board members was a former union member.

mallet 5/7/2014 4:43:40 PM Report

Mr Poster..

You pay for a good pension one way or another, most large firms have a "company" pension which is part of the employees wage and benifit package, but the employee does not pay directly into it. Teachers and civil servants have a contributory pension in which they pay a percentage of their wage into the pension plan. So basically what is happening is the worker on one side gets the money in hand today and the other gets it when they retire. I do not understand why that is so hard to relate too. The only part I find difficult to relate to is why the company pension is reduced when the Old Age Pension kicks in..Not the CPP but the OAP...
Mr. Poster 5/7/2014 4:48:44 PM Report

I guess the feds pulled a fast one?There must be a reason for the clawback.
DutchTouch 5/7/2014 4:54:14 PM Report

Farley Mowat.....a great Canadian.
He will be missed by readers and animal rights fighters all over the world.
flyhawk25 5/7/2014 6:34:18 PM Report

In the states there is a movement to introduce a Constitutional amendment to the Right to Bear Arms.
It would read something like 'when enlisted in the militia' which was the intent of the original writers.
Guess who opposes it?
lookaround 5/7/2014 6:44:09 PM Report

Good one Irishfey. Some people on here just don't get it. Their big heads are in the sand.
lookaround 5/7/2014 7:18:33 PM Report

Mr. Poster you are absolutely right everyone has the opportunity to work hard and save for a pension whether it is self directed or a company pension in which you pool your contributions. Jealosy and the "if I don't get one why should you" is really sad.
Albedo 5/7/2014 7:46:15 PM Report

flyhawk25

I am a citizen of the U.S. born raised and educated there.
The movement you speak of is nothing new, it has been tried, unsuccessfully, before.
I know our Bill of Rights very well.
Your statement: 'which was the intent of the original writers.', is incorrect.
This issue has been through the U.S. Supreme Courts and tested many times.
The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that the right vests in individuals, not merely collective militias, period.
The day will not see light that any group is successful in rewording or changing the second amendments original intentions.
The intellect and foresight of the founding fathers and authors of this document is astounding.
They knew exactly the power that it gave and continues to give to the rightful owners of the U.S. constitution and its lands.
That of course is its citizens.
Those that strive to change the wording of the second amendment are motivated by much more than gun control.
You would have to be the blind statue of justice not to see that one.
mallet 5/7/2014 8:13:25 PM Report

Mr Poster...

I am sorry I did not really spell that out correctly.. It is not the government that does the claw back, it is the company pension that reduces by the amount of OAP that the government gives the pensioner. I once suggested to the Local that we should go to a contributory pension rather than the ASC company one, I was just about hounded out of the hall for that suggestion, and of course it never took wings at all. I had a "superannuated scheme" when I worked in the UK, when I emmigrated I rather foolishly cashed it in, but I still get a little government pension from the UK as does my wife...
mallet 5/7/2014 8:55:17 PM Report

Albedo...

I believe everyone should have the right to bare arms, legs, bums(if they want), I know I am being flippent, but we never have had that problem in the U K, all guns are banned unless you have the right/permission to shoot over some land, and then the guns have to be under stick lock up and stored away...
statusquo 5/7/2014 10:17:05 PM Report

Albedo,

So, I am inferring that the second amendment was intended to enable ordinary citizens to resist a draconian government.
Do you think the authors of the constitution could have envisioned the type of weapons that are available today and what type of power the U.S government has today, in terms of fire power or drones if it really wanted to impose its will on the citizenry?
I think the conversation about the right to bear arms is talking past the real issue and that issue is the culture of violence.
As my "friend" Hunter pointed out, Switzerland has a military assault rifle in almost every household, and yet, it has a fraction of gun violence the U.S has.
It is not about having or not having firearms but more about the collective attitude towards them, when and why to use them and a general civility or lack thereof in a particular society.
It is not a black and white issue .
The American mythology of self determination and rugged individualism can be a two edged sword .
I personally don't think anybody other than the military "needs" multi round, rapid fire assault rifles....but banning their ownership by ordinary citizens would not solve the problem with random mass shootings we unfortunately have to witness on a regular basis .
The amount of guns in circulation in the U.S, legal or not, makes any regulation a moot point.
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