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View Room Comments for Monday, Apr. 28 2014

Monday, April 28, 2014   by: The View RoomWelcome to the SooToday.com View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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Grump 4/28/2014 5:48:20 AM Report

Good morning everyone, another Monday morning, so get up and get at it. It may just be me but it seems to me that the Harper crowd are the deniers of man made climate change. It's possible they know something the rest of us don't ( not likely). Or they are highly educated folks who take their time and examine all the data before forming an opinion. ( no that turkey won't fly). Or anyone dumb enough to support an incompetent dictator like Harper isn't going to get much right ever. ( Bingo ). Have a great day all.
steelworker 4/28/2014 6:23:59 AM Report

Most people can spot a scam when they see one. Just keep giving your money to the likes of Al Gore. You can fool a conservative some of the time but liberals are just fish in a barrel for his ilk.
BIG BROTHER 4/28/2014 6:57:33 AM Report

debo,
Thanks for posting the link to the research paper. It is an exhaustive study of the 'Climate Change' issue. I tried to skim it, but got lost in the 'jargon', therefore, I saved the link and hope to read it in the future again, when time allows.

I came across this article and wanted to share it. It is an example of the forces acting out against technology, which could be 'disruptive technology' in the production of electrical power.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/27/opinion/sunday/the-koch-attack-on-solar-energy.html?emc=edit_th_20140427&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=55048041&_r=1


Interestingly enough, there was a program on CBC radio yesterday afternoon. A guest, a Canadian University Professor, working at a Texas university, claimed that recently, of the State of Texas total power requirements, 28% of that total for one month was provided by wind power. Teaxas is the oil capital of the US. But, T. Boone Pickens, the oil magnate, has been a huge proponent of solar and wind power.
BIG BROTHER 4/28/2014 6:57:33 AM Report

debo,
Thanks for posting the link to the research paper. It is an exhaustive study of the 'Climate Change' issue. I tried to skim it, but got lost in the 'jargon', therefore, I saved the link and hope to read it in the future again, when time allows.

I came across this article and wanted to share it. It is an example of the forces acting out against technology, which could be 'disruptive technology' in the production of electrical power.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/27/opinion/sunday/the-koch-attack-on-solar-energy.html?emc=edit_th_20140427&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=55048041&_r=1


Interestingly enough, there was a program on CBC radio yesterday afternoon. A guest, a Canadian University Professor, working at a Texas university, claimed that recently, of the State of Texas total power requirements, 28% of that total for one month was provided by wind power. Teaxas is the oil capital of the US. But, T. Boone Pickens, the oil magnate, has been a huge proponent of solar and wind power.
theprotector 4/28/2014 7:27:11 AM Report

damn, steelworker is up and about. Still spewing his crap. Hey I wonder if he is going to team up with spelly, right wing and wisen to support sterling!
flyhawk25 4/28/2014 7:57:57 AM Report

Grump...your best morning greeting ever.
You have summarized the issue perfectly.
These people would be right at home in the flat earth era or burning witches.
theprotector 4/28/2014 8:20:28 AM Report

whaaaat? Its not flat? DAMN YOU RIGHT WING DAMN YOU!
right wing 4/28/2014 8:25:55 AM Report

Dam lazy liberals.

Debo if you are going to refer to an article at least take the time to provide a link.


http://tinyurl.com/kvpul3x
Wisenheimer 4/28/2014 8:28:25 AM Report

Grump's been up since 3:00am penning that missive .. nary an epithet nor moronic affiliation. Makes Fly proud.
Then Teeps pipes in !
flyhawk25 4/28/2014 8:33:18 AM Report

Well they're awake so let's get ready for some name calling and stupid generalizations from the deniers.
Wisenheimer 4/28/2014 8:35:43 AM Report

Watch for gasoline prices to head higher in the short to mid term. Think $1.50/l.

#1 reason .. lower CAD and the fact we buy 99% of our crude off-shore, and from the U.S.

#2 Refineries switching over to summer grades and doing their yearly maintenance.

#3 More demand as weather improves.

Invest in Can. oil companies with down stream operations.

Have a wonderful day y'all.
Wisenheimer 4/28/2014 8:38:16 AM Report

Fly .. if I'm not mistaken, the name calling and low brow generalizations generally emanate from your posse.
Not exclusively mind you.
theprotector 4/28/2014 8:54:22 AM Report

gotta have thoses down stream companies that way the spills will leave canada!
theprotector 4/28/2014 8:54:48 AM Report

RW thats the same as saying smart conservatives!
irishfey 4/28/2014 9:16:18 AM Report

The Red Room seems to be stuck on yesterdays posts ?????
debo 4/28/2014 9:52:44 AM Report

Well rw all I had to do is type the first seven or eight words of the article's title into google .... up it popped! I think I provided more than enough information to allow any interested reader to access the article (at least two readers seem to have found it without difficulty).
A quick scan of the aforementioned paper will give any reader some INSIGHT INTO YOUR MINDSET AS DEFINED BY THE FIRST SENTENCE OF YOUR POST

You can't type in 7 or 8 words???
You have nothing to say about the point of the article ... just the usual .... MOTSOS???

LAZINESS, whether physical or intellectual, would seem to be IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER in this instance.



debo 4/28/2014 10:37:12 AM Report

Thanks for the info BB.... certainly an informative read. The Koch Brothers(aka: Dick and Johnson) look back fondly on the age of the "robber barons" and would seem to yearn for a return to it.

I know they like to pronounce the family name as "cook" but it was more likely pronounced as "Kox" historically.
Zing 4/28/2014 11:16:04 AM Report

"the fact we buy 99% of our crude off-shore, and from the U.S." ?

Wisenheimer...where do you get your information?

Last year we imported a grand total of 7.7 million barrels of heavy crude while exporting close to 300.
Light crude...94 imports to 203 exports.

I can't see anywhere that we import 99% of our crude offshore.

Why do you post such inaccurate posts?
soowat 4/28/2014 11:37:22 AM Report

debo

Regarding your reply to RW.

After i stopped laughing, the thought occurred to me that all he managed to prove is that he's waiting for others to solve his problem..What's funny about that is the cons always accuse the good people on the left of that character trait. Oh Wait! Maybe he wants to cross over the bridge and join those that have compassion for others
notpc 4/28/2014 12:07:36 PM Report

Zing

The accurate answer about Canadian oil consumption and how much of it is imported is that we use about 2.2M barrels per day, and import about 1.1M. So we import about 50% of it and all of it is from offshore. That means OPEC.

Sourced from
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=91&t=10

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_imports
BIG BROTHER 4/28/2014 12:11:47 PM Report

Zing,
Could be that our money just goes off-shore to buy Canadian oil. And, ya know, that's just about right.

Find out who owns the oil sands. The Koch brothers are the major stakeholders in Western Canadian oil. The benefit for Canada and Canadians is miniscule. Why Harper is so focussed on that 'dirty oil' is the gazillion dollar question!!
BIG BROTHER 4/28/2014 12:14:29 PM Report

Zing....that sounds weird.

Perhaps we are buying Canadian oil from non-Canadians. Therefore, it is just our money that goes off-shore when we buy Canadian oil.
Zing 4/28/2014 12:15:09 PM Report

I get my information from the federal government website.

http://tinyurl.com/lu2owab


Zing 4/28/2014 12:18:56 PM Report

notpc

Show me where it says we import half of our crude....and don't give me wikipedia pages either...
BIG BROTHER 4/28/2014 12:20:47 PM Report

This is not an endorsement of wind power by me, but read the facts. This from oil country, USA...

http://nextcity.org/daily/entry/texas-sets-a-wind-power-record-or-two

Is wind about to overtake fossil fuels....not likely. But, maybe the fossil fuels will be around a bit longer, before we use them all up!!
theprotector 4/28/2014 12:40:58 PM Report

there's is your problem Zing (one of many) but you cant go to a government web site and expect the full story, only the spin my friend!
Wisenheimer 4/28/2014 12:59:30 PM Report

Ok .. read slowly, 100% of the oil we refine and consume east of Manitoba, (remember) .. comes from the U.S. or Opec. (mainly Norway, but also West Africa, and the Middle East, at Brent price, currently $108.00 USD.)
Canadian refineries are not designed to process heavy crudes, so it is shipped to refineries in Chicago and the Gulf by pipeline and rail. Both Enbridge and Transcanada have plans to pipe oil sands oil to Sarnia and Montreal, but only in conjunction with the plants being retooled.
The crude oil that incinerated Lac Megantic, was on a U.S. train carry U.S. oil.
Canadian Light select is refined at our refineries out west, but is uneconomic to ship to the eastern provinces.
BIG BROTHER 4/28/2014 1:01:45 PM Report

'The crude oil that incinerated Lac Megantic, was on a U.S. train carry U.S. oil.'

I'm sure this will be a relief to the people of Lac Megantic.

Just a thought.
notpc 4/28/2014 1:03:43 PM Report

Zing

If you are going to figure out what percentage of our oil is imported, you will generally have to access more than one site to get the information. I gave you 2 websites, one which gave the consumption and the other gave how much of it is imported. Both websites, the Wiki and the Index Mundi used the same source for its information, the CIA World Factbook. This Factbook is used by the US government as well as by academics.

If that source isn't good enough for you, then there is nothing more I can give you, as it's good enough for pretty much everybody else who uses this kind of information.
mvnnth 4/28/2014 1:41:36 PM Report

@weisenheimer

"Ok .. read slowly, 100% of the oil we refine and consume east of Manitoba, (remember) .. comes from the U.S."

Simply untrue.
mallet 4/28/2014 2:28:45 PM Report


Just Curious...

I agree with what you say except.... my post box is a round trip of about 40Kms and I just ain't up to walking that to get the mail (mostly junk) every day. I know the idea is that everyone should live in towns and cities so that they (whoever they are) can keep an eye on you. last time I say a cop on this road was about 4 years ago but I heard a rumour that there was one seen a couple of years ago, but that hasn't been confirmed... I often pay late charges especially to Bell as I collect their bill but don't go out again for another week, we can survive more that the recommended 72 hours out in the country/bush/boonies.. However we do depend on oil for a lot of reasons not only travel but chainsaws splitters generator sets and sometimes even heating. I would use steam but steam engines are hard to find and expensive and I am pretty sure you have to have alicence to run them, something about being able to understand and blow down the boiler.. But I jest.. I like my little rice burner, but it is expensive to run if you change to scotch...

MVNNTH..

About the bit you say is untrue, did you read the rest, it said the US and OPEC, (Norway, Brent etc). Please do not trip into that Liberal trap of just seeing what you want to see!!!
BIG BROTHER 4/28/2014 3:18:19 PM Report

I listening to a repeat of Cross Canada Check-up, from yesterday's program.

I am somewhat amused, listening to the apologist for the TFP (Temporary Foreign Worker Program).

All of a sudden, these folks have forgotten the basic tenet of economics, 101. Supply and Demand....if workers in Ft. Mac won't work at Timmies for minimum wage, then pay them more and raise the prices for your product accordingly. Quite simple. If you still can't afford it, find another product to sell. You're in the wrong business. This lowering the wages and importing cheaper labour is heading up the 'race for the bottom'.
rockbanger 4/28/2014 3:18:43 PM Report

Regarding oil Refining.... That is the Game.
The world is awash in massive deposits but refining is a business that is uber-expensive to enter and is therefore limited to the super rich.

You should understand that the reason the southern US refineries want the Canadian tar sand bitumen oil.... Is to replace the present feedstock they use from Venezuela. This bitumen oil is identical to Alberta bitumen products.

Once Keystone is up and running, the US war machine will back away from South America and have no reason for invasion... Until about 80 - 100 years go by and the Alberta tar sands are depleted.

Sorry to burst your bubble folks.

On the east coast Canadian refineries do run on Brent North Sea Crude as well as coastal oil deposits off of Terra Nova.

Oil is a Big Business Folks. BIG.
rockbanger 4/28/2014 3:25:29 PM Report

Foreign Workers.

Know a guy framing and drywalling in Fort Mac and Edmonton.

He doesn't look for Canadians who will work for $25/hour.... He has a steady stream of Mexican workers who are crying to get into North America.

But hold on...
Once these Mexican workers get here and work one year with all for seasons and realize how much room and board is... Well more than half go back to Mexico.

He then rehires more and retrains...Says it is hurting his business?

So the foreigners do not even want most of those jobs out there. Wages are going to have to be jacked way up to keep people.... more like prisoners in that frozen wasteland.

That old saying is true..
"The grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence."
Grump 4/28/2014 6:27:19 PM Report

Well all our local punters that said the Lottery was leaving were wrong.. The difference is Provincially we have an elected official that works for the Sault. Federally we have an elected official that works for Harper and himself. When the work gets tough, the tough get going and get it done.
Hunter101 4/28/2014 6:53:44 PM Report

mvnnth, alright! Show us your proof. We'd live to hear why you're right and Wisen is wrong.
Grump 4/28/2014 7:35:07 PM Report

Hunter no proof needed. Wisen had stated prior to that that it came from OPEC. You are going to bat for a moron that B.S.s and not very well at that.
Mr. Poster 4/28/2014 7:35:11 PM Report

I have no use for David O and his bandit Liberals. I do have a problem trying to figure out which party I would vote for to replace those bandits .We have been down the NDP road before. We know what the Cons did before as well. I cannot warm up to Hudak and Horwarth propped up the Liberals one too many times. What are voters to do? Does this mean another Liberal minority?
lookaround 4/28/2014 7:47:09 PM Report

Wisenheimer is always wrong. He/it/she needs to research before typing the nonsense.
rockbanger 4/28/2014 7:57:05 PM Report

Grump

Are you stating that Opec oil does not land on North American shores.

In a few short years with the U.S. push for internal oil production and access to Mexican and Canadian sources this will be a thing of the past.

But OPEC oil does currently land in North America.

Civil words Grump...Civil Words.



Bobby Nerves 4/28/2014 8:12:17 PM Report

Ecuador and Verguenzuela are OPEC members.
Mexico is not.

OPEC is an intergovernmental organization with 13 country members, leftist and revolutionary from it's beginning in 1973. In principle the whole world economy stopped to watch them as is was a power pole, but, in my opinion the corruption of it's members landed the organization in the garbage and the only thing they do today is set the oil price to be broken immediately.
Bobby Nerves 4/28/2014 8:34:18 PM Report


When a person dies, doesn't realize is dead, therefore, doesn't suffer because is dead. But it's hard on those surrounding the dead person.

The same thing happens with incompetent imbecile people.



right wing 4/28/2014 8:45:37 PM Report

debo

If you are going to refer to a source don't be so dam lazy...provide the link.
If you paid any attention you would know that your cohorts have called me out on this exact thing on the rare occasion that I have not supplied a link.
Of course it's a one way ticket.
Hypocrites you know.
I am reading the paper and as I do actually read something before I make a comment you will just have to wait.

Have a nice day now.
statusquo 4/28/2014 8:50:58 PM Report

good evening rw,

how's she hanging?

You need a link?..maybe an "app"...an "app" would be nice...although I did not have a problem accessing the paper debo referred to.
Me thinks you need an "app" about getting the sand out of your vagina as you seem a tad irritable today....

(smiley face)
Bobby Nerves 4/28/2014 8:55:09 PM Report


As said:

The same thing happens with incompetent imbecile people.


Grump 4/28/2014 9:08:53 PM Report

Rockbanger if you were not on the prod you would get it, that I was only pointing out that Wisen had stated two different scenarios, that are not compatible. If you have a problem spit it out. Maybe you need to read more and take a course in comprehension.
Hunter101 4/28/2014 10:02:48 PM Report

Really Grump? I want to know where the data is coming from. I didn't pick sides, I just asked for proof.
debo 4/28/2014 10:19:02 PM Report

@rw
Well just a couple of things for you to consider:
- Was it more difficult to find the writer's work with the information I provided vs some alpha-numerical "link"? (Are your keyboard skills that deficient)?
- Are you so intellectually myopic that you can't distinguish between an individual and a group of people who share SOME political/social values and thus you can only perceive people with views contrary to yours as a monolith(my cohorts)?
- Have I at any point in the past beset you regarding how you offer information? I'm not talking about the "quality" of the information ... That's a discussion for another day or several days.
- Perhaps you might actually review the information offered first rather than give yourself a hernia trying to find some way to put a negative spin(a word apparently "big" in your lexicon) on a given post.
- Oh yeah, take your time reading the article ... It must be difficult to make out all the words ... With your head that far up your ..... :)
Wisenheimer 4/28/2014 11:11:30 PM Report

Breaking News ... "Federal budget to be in surplus before the end of 2014."
Canada, the envy of the rest of the western democracies.
Surplus comes a full year before next election,
plenty of time for the Conservatives to win back those thinking of straying from the fold.
Grunt, Nervous Bob, BB, Look, are apolectic at the thought.
So it goes.
Wisenheimer 4/28/2014 11:14:26 PM Report

Grunt ... figured out the difference between Shaw Comm. and Shawcor yet ... ya big galoot!
Wisenheimer 4/28/2014 11:27:11 PM Report

Nice surprise from CPX (Capital Power) declaring a special dividend of 31 cents per share to be paid July 31st. This in addition to quarterly distributions of 4.03 %.
Good solid investment for widows, orphans and those with little thirst for drama.
Get in now and turn those frowns upside down.
rockbanger 4/29/2014 5:58:19 AM Report

Grump

You ignorant puss.

My point was Venezuela is a huge importer of oil to the US. They are Opec..
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