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View Room Comments for Friday, Apr. 25 2014

Friday, April 25, 2014   by: The Soap BoxWelcome to the View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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Mr. Poster 4/25/2014 6:40:58 AM Report

It is nice to see that all those doom and gloom snow forecasters were wrong. Bring on the rain showers !!!
Grump 4/25/2014 7:12:18 AM Report

Good morning Mr. Poster and everyone. Snow was forecast for Sat. but hope we miss that too. Harper added 30,000 Civil Servants when he was elected and carried then through the recession and I have wondered why. Lately he has been cutting staff but apparently not new hires. I was reading "Canada over staffs Ukrainian election observers" Apparently since 2004 he has been sending a staff of about 500 to observe the elections when it is being done by the European union. I don't suppose this is because there are about 1.2 million Ukrainian votes in Canada? He has cut Veterans services, Military benefits, Scientists, Canada Pension etc. but we still have a large whack of Civil Servants doing what? You don't suppose he is using all of them to promote the Conservative Brand and himself? I thought we had just about seen ever low promotion in the books but every once in a while a new brown one floats to the surface. Have a great day all.
Grump 4/25/2014 7:17:23 AM Report

rw from the King of B.S. your post was a compliment. Harper has a problem as do the RCMP. If Nigel didn't commit a felony, Duffy being the other party didn't either. Poor Steve he can't have everything he wants.
David Poluck 4/25/2014 7:25:39 AM Report

Good Morning Grump!
I see you are blowing bubbles in the swamp this early AM...
Wisenheimer 4/25/2014 7:31:26 AM Report

His wheel is spinning but his hamster is still dead.
statusquo 4/25/2014 7:49:11 AM Report

witty , short and never tiring Wisenheimer.

Say? you come up all by yourself with those gems or are you perchance borrowing "steels" book of inanities?
Wisenheimer 4/25/2014 7:55:37 AM Report

Many years ago now, Stephen Harper impregnated a young gypsy girl, at a party, where she and he were drunker than skunks. The girl was forced to go away and have her baby boy at a Ukrainian orphanage. "No body's Child".
Apparently the young'in wound up in Ontario, where they recently allowed adoptees to find the identity of their birth parents.
This is how Grump discovered that his real daddy, is none other than Stephen Harper .. and boy, oh boy, he's not what you call, pleased, with what went on.
David Poluck 4/25/2014 8:02:32 AM Report

Supreme Court of Canada to evaluate if, and how, Senate can be reformed or abolished as put forward by the Harper Government.

Watching CBC this morning that this is coming out today in less than two hours from now from the Supreme Court.

Bobby Nerves 4/25/2014 8:22:15 AM Report

Yes DP, but whatever decision regards the Senate will require a Constitutional amendment, also is said in the SC resolution.

Good luck with that.

debo 4/25/2014 8:27:26 AM Report

So "wiseone", when do we get a "wise, thoughtful or humorous post"????
David Poluck 4/25/2014 8:44:47 AM Report

Bobby, Are you saying nothing will change?
flyhawk25 4/25/2014 9:13:25 AM Report

PET brought us the constitution and his kid will fine tune it.
Bobby Nerves 4/25/2014 9:17:49 AM Report

Dave, I hope not, but based in the most recently Canada experience with constitutional amendments and the previous accords to get there, will require a long bow.

There is always an obsession to change the Constitution, and the risk involved in any change at this point is that bad habit of the Harper Administration to introduce "bus bills" with a bit of everything, but most of the unannounced than the promoted changes.

Even when a Constitutional amendment is in no way a "omnibus bill", the precedent is not helping.

Without a doubt the Senate is part of the democratic system and can not be eliminated -well, it can be really, it shouldn't- but what have to be changed is the way the Senators seat there, based in there qualifications and partisanship should be part of the formula, but being appointed it only helps to the embarrassment of Mr. Harper in this case, as the three Senators in question were appointed for their work... in favor of the conservative party and when there, they continues using the taxpayers money to produce more money for the conservative party.

That's what we know now, and we should be dealing with those facts and not adding history and memories of what has happened before.

That's my view.
I stand to be corrected.

PS, Mr. Mulroney give his best shot and Kim Campbell had to pay the bill.

Mr. Harper is poking with it and probably he already has his own Kim Campbell.
debo 4/25/2014 9:56:58 AM Report

Many news services this morning are reporting that the police officer, directly involved in the shooting death of Sammy Yatim on a Toronto street-car, had been very quietly returned to "super-restricted" duty in February of this year. He is receiving his regular salary.

A police spokesperson stated that concern over what was best for the officer was one of the considerations in the decision to re-instate him.
Mr. Poster 4/25/2014 10:03:32 AM Report

WELL...IF THEY HAVE TO PAY HIM...HE MIGHT AS WELL WORK FOR IT.He is NOT in a uniform nor does he have direct contact with the public. He is in the crime stoppers office.
soowat 4/25/2014 10:23:03 AM Report


When you write about Harper impregnating a girl at a party and dumping her and the baby at an orphanage, you describe something I have no problem that someone with Harper's standards would do. When you name the offspring,my only comment is that the son is vastly superior to the father.Obviously the son being better than the father can be attributed to the mother
mallet 4/25/2014 10:26:08 AM Report

Well it seems that the Supreme Court has spoken ... and said ... screw you Mr Harper ... you have to do it the Constitution way... get seven provinces to agree with 50% of the population. Seems the Dictator that some thinks Mr Harper is, does not turn out to be that way.. Otherwise his ideas would have sailed through, wouldn't they.. Now he has to go back to the drawing board. To be honest I am quite happy with the way things are, and he can now load the Senate with people he wants to, to make sure they have a majority in the Upper House so should he lose the next election, young Mr Trudeau will not get a lot of his bills tthrough without a lot of debate and amendments. If I were cynical I would bet that there will be a lot of old Senators retiring and a lot of young people installed in the Senate... What I would do if I were in the position of installing the Senate...
Zing 4/25/2014 10:54:17 AM Report

Imagine that, the Supreme Court has not been tampered with , yet. Stephen Harper did his best to stack the Senate with Conservatives, even after promising Senate reform.

He is going to have to figure another angle now. It wouldn't surprise me if he stacked the Supreme Court with yet even more Conservatives. He doesn't have a lot of time before the next election.
BIG BROTHER 4/25/2014 10:54:50 AM Report

Gee, poor Steve. He's gettingshot down a lot lately. It's hard to be a dictator in a democracy.

Why would he promise the moon in Senate reform when he should have known he had not the power to do so. Talk about inexperience. Oh, and he already loaded the Senate with a bunch of scoundrels. This is proven.
Trvlr 4/25/2014 11:04:45 AM Report

BIG BROTHER 4/23/2014 9:48:06 PM

I have been to 16 of the 21 countries mentioned in this post, in fact returning to the Sault from one of them today. At last count, I've been to 105 countries total. My experience is that people are people no matter where I've gone. We all want safety for our families, to provide for them, to live happy lives and so on.
I invite anyone, to go outside of their comfort zone and truly experience any one of these Middle Eastern countries. You might find out that it just ain't the way you thought, or were told things were.
There is a much more panoramic view available for those with an open mind, but each person must raise that bar for themselves.

BIG BROTHER 4/25/2014 11:09:41 AM Report

Did you happen to read the qualifier I put on top of the post.

Perhaps you could open your eyes also, before you open your mouth. I suspected I would be hearing from the self-righteous crowd.
theprotector 4/25/2014 11:19:56 AM Report

easy Triv BB is a good guy in that department. Most here arent...
Trvlr 4/25/2014 11:23:25 AM Report

My issue was with the content of the post, not with you. I don't do personal attacks. I respect different opinions, even if I disagree. I will also open my mouth to speak in this forum if I choose.
So...yes I saw your qualifier and do not assume that you support (or not) the message's content. Either way, my post was always about the message, not the messenger.
Don't assume that I'm self righteous. I'm always the first to admit that I might not know that much. I've found it to be a healthy trait.
Zing 4/25/2014 11:30:50 AM Report


I don't see any reference to 21 countries in any post Big Brother made. Was it a post from yesterday?

Of all the countries you visited, which one would you say was the best one in terms of security and quality of life?
Zing 4/25/2014 11:31:28 AM Report

Sorry *Trvlr*
Grump 4/25/2014 11:45:51 AM Report

Trvir I have seen a good bit of the world, much less as a tourist and far more for work. I lived in the Middle East and worked there managing a Saudi/American Construction Firm for nine years so I guess I would like to know your qualifications as a world expert other than travelling a lot.
Trvlr 4/25/2014 11:57:49 AM Report

Zing. Honestly, I could live almost anywhere with my family. I suppose a happy family how I measure quality of life. There are bits and pieces from every place that I like. I'm born and raised Canadian so partial to it, 20+ years retired Cdn Armed Forces. I've felt secure, and felt danger at home and abroad. Don't know if that's the answer you were looking for. Boarding a flight home so time to turn off the phone BRgds.
BIG BROTHER 4/25/2014 12:07:14 PM Report

I apologize for my knee jerk reaction. You do sound sincere, but I felt a little bit attacked. I posted that the other day, with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek.
Zing 4/25/2014 12:08:08 PM Report


I was hoping you would say Canada.

Wisenheimer 4/25/2014 12:44:13 PM Report

Debo .. "don't kick a fresh turd on a hot day".
theprotector 4/25/2014 12:49:38 PM Report

in other words leave wisen alone when its warm out!!
debo 4/25/2014 12:51:54 PM Report

Okay ""wiseone", you're safe! :) :)
debo 4/25/2014 12:53:19 PM Report

Rats! You were all over that one first, protector.
Wisenheimer 4/25/2014 12:54:15 PM Report

Not bad Teeps, not bad .. no originality as usual but spelling is ok.
Fly will be proud!
debo 4/25/2014 12:59:50 PM Report

As to my original post ... I have at least two concerns.
Why wasn't some police spokesperson around to mention this change to active duty for the officer?

Maybe Chief Blair could show some concern for the Yatim family.
Wisenheimer 4/25/2014 1:12:15 PM Report

Will try again .. what happened to the trial of the guy charged with hitting and fatally injuring the youth on the reserve, late last year?
I thought a trial was scheduled for February.
(I was in Florida hiding from Grump and Teeps, who were "gonna drive down there and kick my ass.)
theprotector 4/25/2014 1:17:04 PM Report

hmm dont recall saying that to you...however it would be an incredible waste of my time and money to do that on someone who in time will learn the error of his greedy ways. Beside sh*t splatters
theprotector 4/25/2014 1:18:05 PM Report

debo at this point in time what he is doing is no ones business except him and his employer.
irishfey 4/25/2014 1:18:13 PM Report

Wise.. What happened in the Wesley Hallen case? What happened to the drunk driver that killed Dr. Lukendas Daughter?.. Did i miss the outcome of these?????
theprotector 4/25/2014 1:20:53 PM Report

still on the poop thing....been hanging with some conservative catholic friends sorry guys
David Poluck 4/25/2014 1:55:22 PM Report

Bobby as a follow up to this mornings conversation.

Stephen Harper’s five options following the Supreme Court Senate decision
notpc 4/25/2014 2:10:36 PM Report


Your link makes it quite clear what the dilemma is regarding Senate reform. Given that reform will continue to require the consent of 7 provinces representing 50% of the population, it is, as the article says, a decision for the status quo that is supported by virtually no Canadian. The status quo will persist because getting that kind of consensus in Canada will be pretty much impossible, at least for the foreseeable future.

The irony here is that many of the same people who want some kind of Senate reform, accuse Harper of being a dictator for actually trying to do it. He knew that getting provincial consent according to the terms of the Constitution would be impossible, so, if memory serves me correctly, he asked the Court to rule on whether he could do it in any other way. The Court said "no", so now some people say this is a loss for Harper, when in fact, if we really do want Senate reform, it's a loss for us all.
old-cat33 4/25/2014 2:29:10 PM Report

8 more months and it's Christmas Day!!!
flyhawk25 4/25/2014 2:48:55 PM Report

I don't know if this would have any legal status but why not place a question on senate reform on all federal election ballots for the next election?
If 70% of the voters are in favor - change things.
Prometheus 4/25/2014 2:55:24 PM Report

fro Flyhawk re; Election Question.

The following is from the CBC article on the decision and states one expert's opinion "Asked if he thought Harper or Mulcair would push for a referendum on abolition,[Stephane] Dion replied that all a referendum would achieve is an expression about how people feel about the Senate. The constitution would still have to be opened up, he said, causing a stampede of provincial premiers lobbying for their own agendas."
Wisenheimer 4/25/2014 3:24:15 PM Report

Irish Lady ... both those cases have trial dates pending. What happened to the case I referred to? Were charges dropped stayed, rescheduled ? Not to be insensitive but inquiring minds want to know.
learningaswego 4/25/2014 3:52:35 PM Report

Nobody, NOBODY - has tried as much, or as hard, as PM Harper to get Senate reform. He and the Conservatives have been blocked at every attempt.

So nobody, NOBODY- who knows the TRUTH, can say that Harper hasn't TRIED to reform the Senate.

I know the lefty, obsessed - with - Harper - bashing loons won't want to hear such TRUTH and FACT, so - flail and froth away.
BIG BROTHER 4/25/2014 4:10:39 PM Report

Ahahahahahahahaha....good one!!

And Trudeau, with one signature on a piece of paper, accomplished more the Sponge Bob could. He huffed and he puffed, blah, blah, blah...
sportsman 4/25/2014 4:14:10 PM Report

I agree with fly hawk let the voters decide. The people who don't want it are the people who want to fill there pockets.
Grump 4/25/2014 4:16:12 PM Report

Wisen while your post did have Harper's morals sized up you are still a moron. I am old enough to be Harper's father but I don't recall having done some low life lady that could have been his mother. That said you keep trying you may get lucky and get one right someday. You neo-cons don't seem to have much to say about Harper sending 500 unwanted, unnecessary bodies to the Ukraine at a cost to taxpayers of 10 M while he is borrowing the money to do it. I'm glad you are satisfied to have him cut health care , Canada pension, veterans, the Military etc while he can spend borrowed millions on the Conservative brand, stacking the Senate and of course his wonderful Economic Action Plan. It certainly seems to sum up his attitude about taking care of average Canadians.
irishfey 4/25/2014 4:16:39 PM Report

Old-cat33.. Real funny!! ,lol.. I might just leave up the Christmas lights as we could see more snow by Oct.... Wise... Thanks for the info... They sure do take their sweet time on things huh?.. As for the Garden River case, I havn"t heard anything either, but i know that if it was my kid that got killed, i wouldn"t be taking this lightly!!... So much for the Court System!!
Bobby Nerves 4/25/2014 5:47:09 PM Report

Mallet said:

Well it seems that the Supreme Court has spoken ... and said ... screw you Mr Harper ... you have to do it the Constitution way... get seven provinces to agree with 50% of the population. Seems the Dictator that some thinks Mr Harper is, does not turn out to be that way.. Otherwise his ideas would have sailed through, wouldn't they.. Now he has to go back to the drawing board. To be honest I am quite happy with the way things are, and he can now load the Senate with people he wants to, to make sure they have a majority in the Upper House so should he lose the next election, young Mr Trudeau will not get a lot of his bills tthrough without a lot of debate and amendments.

Mallet, there is a difference between a dictator wanna be in a relatively democratic country and a dictator in a Banana Republic. The difference is how far they can get with their narrow minded ideas, but in the end, no matter where and how, a Dictator is a Dictator. I've been very close to one of the largest governing democratic dictator and tyrant. Such was the power of his party that when they marched, you could fill the ground shaking under your feet.
You do not know, neither do I, what Mr. Trudeau is capable of doing in the future, so far he's promising to help the middle class keep it's status but you do not like to give Canada that chance. That's no reflecting well on you, and I consider you a person with a balanced sense of real politics at our level, which is reality and no promises.

Mr. Harper star is shinning no more and his time to retirement is past due and obviously, the natural governing Party should be there at the helm.
The Senate, in my view, should be dissolved and the provinces should have a representation based in the electors that inhabit each one. Of course they will not ask for my opinion but, hey, this is a free forum and I can share it with you.
right wing 4/25/2014 5:52:28 PM Report

"Why would he promise the moon in Senate reform when he should have known he had not the power to do so"

How really dumb can you libs get.
Harper fully well knew he did not have the power to reform the senate.
But he comes out great for trying.
...hows kicking out his senators working for the golden pony.
Hhahaha....Harper pulls a fast one and even after it's plaster all over the media the libs still don't get it...surprise ?....not in the least.
Bobby Nerves 4/25/2014 6:03:07 PM Report

@David Poluck:

Thank you for the link, I'll read it tonight or tomorrow morning early.

The Supreme Court Judges speak no politics, they do it through jurisprudence, then they set precedent, it's a supreme philosophical interpretation. Now, there is one line very interesting:
Craig Scott said in a statement.

"The Supreme Court noted, in paragraph 4 of today’s judgement, "the desirability of changes [to the senate] is not a question for the court: it is an issue for Canadians and for their legislatures."

This line opens a window of opportunity that should be explored.

The obvious move ahead is a round of consultation with the Provinces and then open the Constitutional discussion.

But, I'm not familiar with the Constitutional Law in Canada, neither will I have an opinion in that regards, but at least, be ball is back in Mr. Harper field and he's the penalty kicker.

I'll let you know what I think, but referendum will not work and I hope they will not land the question within the next elections. It may backfire. It's an issue of capital importance for Canada and should be treated as such.
rockbanger 4/25/2014 6:10:57 PM Report

Whatever Happened to this case??

About 6-8 years ago a local doctor was arrested for a large marijuana grow operation.

That was the small part... he and his accomplice had a young woman tied up in the grow-op house.
The local paper at the time said they were caught with a lot of herb and a lot of cash.

I notice this doctor is still working as a doctor in town.... WTF???

How did this man get off of these charges.

Is our city law system corrupt?
theprotector 4/25/2014 6:33:42 PM Report

city law system????

as far as harper trying to reform the senate smoke and mirrors only after he did his damnedest to stack it in his favour. Stick a fork in that meat head - he is done!!
lookaround 4/25/2014 7:01:27 PM Report

Another strike for Harper and three is a charm.
lookaround 4/25/2014 7:02:26 PM Report

It's all quiet on the Western front.
lookaround 4/25/2014 7:03:04 PM Report

Three strikes and you're OUT!
Grump 4/25/2014 7:19:19 PM Report

rw he not only stated he would reform the Senate he promised not to appoint any Senators. He lied in his teeth on those two issues and many others. Yes he is that incompetent.
mallet 4/25/2014 8:44:25 PM Report

Bobby N..

I have known a few Dictators in the past, some evil, some not so evil, some fairly benign, but they all started off with the best of intentions. I lived in England when a certain member of the Royal family told British workers they had to "get their fingers out", I heard PM's saying we had to "export or die". I have served and worked in countries that that had Despots and Dictators as heads of state. However that was generally a term used by people outside those countries. In the not so long past Egypts Mubarak, probably corrupt, possibly a human rights abuser, but the country was in one piece and fairly safe for most people, would you say the same today with its democracy?. Libya, Iraq,Afghanistan, and Syria and now Ukraine, everywhere the Western Democratic idea touches in the so called "third world countries" where authoritarian rules are applied, do you end up with protests/civil war/worse authoritarian rulers. When you look at Stephen Harper, you see none of those things, he wanted to change or abolish the senate, the other parties didn't want to support that idea, so to try and be within the law takes it to the supreme court, gets shot down, smoke and mirrors some say, or would you have rather waste umpteen millions of dollars trying to get a concensus, think Meech Lake, but of course because he tried the "democratic way" he's a loser in some peoples eyes. They try and help and pay for things to be done and get screwed (see condemned houses) then they have too many civil servants, obviously not enough in certain ministries, he tries to dismantle the health system, anyone been turned away from a hospital lately, maybe the provinces would have more money if they did not pay hospital CEOs and LHINs so much money. Can any government please everyone, sure they can, but could everyone afford that system??.
Bobby Nerves 4/25/2014 9:12:43 PM Report

Mallet, he wanted someone else do the dirty work.

I quoted this before and here for you again:

The New Democrats are urging the Tories to consult with the provinces.

"We continue to believe the unelected and unaccountable Senate should be abolished, and of course, that should only be done after consultations with Canadians and Provinces," democratic reform critic Craig Scott said in a statement.

The Liberals disbanded the Senators, then which other Party does have Senators, NDP have none as I think Mrs. Dick does not represent the NDP, or in other way, she's an NDPeer, but the NDP does not recognize her as own force.

Harper is juggling because he doesn't have what is required to solve the situation and he has not what is required to get a pipe on the ground.

I understand you may sympathize with Mr. Harper policies, but why are you wishing a bad future for Canada? You are fanatically opposing Mr. Trudeau, the Natural Primer Minister in waiting, whether you'd like it or not.

But, feel free to express yourself, I'll not report you to the geheim police when we get there.
debo 4/25/2014 9:17:06 PM Report

Hey Pro I was out and am just now responding to your post of 1:18.
"....what he is doing is no ones business except him and his employer".

Police officers in Ontario are public or civil servants ... WE are their employers. In today's society citizens are demanding more transparency/accountability from politicians, teachers, civil administrators et al. .... all employed by the public.

If you scan the media yesterday/today/tomorrow I think you'll find that there are a large number of our citizens who are asking the same of a group who are armed and at times employ deadly force on a fairly regular basis. I don't doubt that in many cases it is warranted, but the taking of ANY life requires close inspection. Further, if there is no good reason to not put the officer back on some sort of duty ... Why the deafening silence on the part of the TPS when he was returned to some capacity?

gcubed 4/25/2014 11:10:42 PM Report

debo: Please excuse me, but what is TPS? Perhaps I am too old, but there are many times when initials, acronyms or short forms are used that I have difficulty understanding. The amount of spelling errors is difficult enough. I really wish that some people would take ten seconds longer and write the word. I noticed that others too had trouble figuring out what Teeps was.
debo 4/25/2014 11:42:27 PM Report

Yeah no problem gee ... TPS is a standard short form for Toronto Police Services.
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