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View Room Comments for Wednesday, Apr. 23 2014

Wednesday, April 23, 2014   by: The Soap BoxWelcome to the View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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Grump 4/23/2014 6:50:18 AM Report

Good morning everyone, supposed to get some sun today which will be a treat. Soowat bet against anything rw supports, it's a sure thing. If this Harper gov't could get anymore incompetent I certainly don't know how. Read "Afghan commemoration",
theprotector 4/23/2014 7:09:16 AM Report

morning grump! Enjoy the sunshine today!
theprotector 4/23/2014 7:15:52 AM Report

One must question Harper's obsesion with the keystone deal! Although he does not have any direct power in the decesion making process he seems to be and rather forcefully pushing the USA and even strong arming some communities in BC for approval. Given the limited benefit to Canada as a whole, why is he doing this? Is he seeking a BoD position with them in a couple of years after his rule of Canada? Does the staging of the declassification of various marine life from SARA have anything to keystone or other oil exports?
irishfey 4/23/2014 7:20:18 AM Report

Morning Grump and all.. enjoy the day!.... Pro.. I hope you have more of a breakfast than a nutbar :) It is supposed to be the most important meal of the day.... Have a great day all....
theprotector 4/23/2014 7:43:52 AM Report

hey red...yep gonna have me some oatmeal!
irishfey 4/23/2014 7:57:42 AM Report

Pro... See what i mean? You have me and Red mixed up,lol... Eat that oatmeal ! :)
right wing 4/23/2014 8:23:16 AM Report

Harper has survived and prospered for one reason: He stays out of your face.

“Stay out of the papers,” this prime minister said. “The people, they don’t want to hear from you all the time. Do your job, and keep your mouth shut. You don’t have to comment on every single goddamn issue.”
Bobby Nerves 4/23/2014 8:23:47 AM Report

Gee... Gee...

Listening to the crows.
Wisenheimer 4/23/2014 8:28:51 AM Report

Teeps I was going to refute your opposition to Harper and pipelines etc. and then "dessided" I'd be talking to an
empty hat. So ...
Wisenheimer 4/23/2014 8:32:00 AM Report

Teeps and furthermore .. your "obbbssesion" with Harper is only surpassed by your brother-in-law.
BIG BROTHER 4/23/2014 8:43:33 AM Report

There is a private non-partisan group, who don't like the RCMP's report on Nigel Wright's bribery and fraud accusations and they are pursuing either charges be laid or the RCMP come clean as to why the case has been dropped, in light of all the evidence.

Should get interesting.
theprotector 4/23/2014 8:43:52 AM Report

wisen when are you simply just going to shut your mouth, loser creeper. Must be hard to drive around town and avoid school zones.
theprotector 4/23/2014 8:47:54 AM Report

where are you diddS?
right wing 4/23/2014 8:50:37 AM Report


Do what you like but I would report that slanderous remark.
right wing 4/23/2014 8:52:09 AM Report

"There is a private non-partisan group"

Hahahahaha...yes and there is an Easter Bunny too.
Mr. Poster 4/23/2014 8:56:20 AM Report

If OBAMA does not want the kepstone deal....sell it to others.
Wisenheimer 4/23/2014 9:08:57 AM Report

Right Wing .. what fun would it be, not to have Teeps impaling himself daily, and not even realizing it ?
Wisenheimer 4/23/2014 9:15:00 AM Report

I hear the "kepstone deal" is a barn burner. Maybe he can sell it to .. oh I don't know .. Ceti Alpha 5, Lilliput?
Sheesh, these people vote, with I.Ds yet!
BIG BROTHER 4/23/2014 9:15:31 AM Report

Happy Easter, sillee wabbit...
lookaround 4/23/2014 9:19:20 AM Report

right wing 4/23/2014 9:23:32 AM Report


Good luck with that.
flyhawk25 4/23/2014 9:28:07 AM Report

soowat nailed it in the last post yesterday.
All the blather about an election that is still over the horizon is just wishful guessing.
Wait until the debates.Mulcair will slice and dice Harper and allow Trudeau Lite to play the thoughtful, charismatic visionary.
That's assuming Harper doesn't pull a Harris/McGuinty and bail first.
Right now I'd bet 'bail' because he is an iconoclast with no spine nor vision.
BIG BROTHER 4/23/2014 9:28:29 AM Report

I'm not wishing, one way or the other. I merely stated a fact.

We should all want to see justice. Are we all so blind with partisanship, that it is somehow, now, OK for our government to overtly break the laws of Canada, without it being a left, right or center, us against them mentality. Since when is bribing politicians OK? How about fraud? theft of taxpayer money?
right wing 4/23/2014 9:32:10 AM Report


I understand and I of all people love the back and forth jabbing.
I just have a limit of what I will tolerate and a poster suggesting that somebody is a pedophile is over the tops in my books.
right wing 4/23/2014 9:33:18 AM Report

....and the RCMP dropped the charges because ?????
lookaround 4/23/2014 9:38:39 AM Report

Tell me why is Harper allowed to take away the long census, change the election rules and plow any omnibus bill at his whim without the electorate feeling that they are being mislead or being thrown under the bus? We are not stupid and right wing thinking Harper is in the lead is a far cry from what the electorate is feeling at this point. Bring on the debates and we will see Harper cower when confronted by Justin Trudeau and Muclair. I want to see the look in his face. I cannot wait.
lookaround 4/23/2014 9:39:34 AM Report

Who is TEEPS?
lookaround 4/23/2014 9:40:39 AM Report

Wisenheimer " Obsession" spelling
notpc 4/23/2014 9:42:08 AM Report

Interesting article in the National Post today about Canadians' love for Obama not being requited due to his nonsensical rejection of Keystone. A couple of points.

First, voters in general have a penchant for choosing flash over substance, especially when the flash comes in a politically correct package. Obama was the American example of that and Justin Trudeau may be the Canadian example. The Liberal party could have chosen more substantial leaders but went with good looks and the Trudeau name instead.

Second, Obama has shown that he will do just about anything for politics and ideology. Even though Americans and Congress favour Keystone by a fairly wide margin (including many Democrats),and his own state department has twice declared that Keystone will not increase carbon emissions, he continues to march to the beat of the most radical of environmentalists. Trudeau also seems to be driven more by politics and ideology than by pragmatism, although trying to pin him down as to what that means in his case has been difficult.

The parallels here between him and Obama are starting to become a bit disconcerting.
theprotector 4/23/2014 9:45:38 AM Report

what are you talking about? Im talking about his driving dumb ass
Wisenheimer 4/23/2014 9:47:18 AM Report

Perhaps the moderator(s) might take it upon themselves to clean out the drain.
Could happen !
right wing 4/23/2014 9:47:28 AM Report

"I'm not wishing, one way or the other"

That would be a tad easier to believe if from the get go you did not spend such a vast amount of time on dissing Harper and the conservatives with such an abundance of misinformation and blatant hatred.
Does Harper even wipe his ass correct B.B., does he fold or bunch, you must know.
It is like Grumps daily Harper rant,it becomes akin to a person with an irritating voice that you eventually tune out.
I mean really B.B., just mention U.S. politics and you still use the "it's all Bush's fault" rant and even Obama stopped doing that a couple of years ago.
Suddenly you want to talk about bipartisanship.
Did you fall out of bed this morning and hit your head?

lookaround 4/23/2014 9:59:12 AM Report

Wow and no one says anything about Steelworkers comment on abortions and Jack Laytons grave which is worse than said person being a pedophile, Double standards folks which makes anything you type rather a one-sided conversation.
irishfey 4/23/2014 10:01:07 AM Report

Well, it"s 10am and already 32 loving posts... All back to normal i see ,lol
right wing 4/23/2014 10:02:29 AM Report


You never him in a panic as now he is trying to defend the comment.

Outta here...

Have a great day all.

My favorite hilarious comment of the day thus far is:

"Mulcair will slice and dice Harper and allow Trudeau Lite to play the thoughtful, charismatic visionary"

I can hear it now...Trudeau (as he brushes back his hair with his fingers)... "It don't f**king matter just legalize the stuff...hey did you hear the joke about the Ukraine...China is the greatest place on earth...that's it, that's all I have"
(Steps back from the microphone removes shirt and throws it into the crowd.)

Hahahaha....thanks for that one, it confirms my theory that many liberals are delusional.
right wing 4/23/2014 10:06:17 AM Report


There was much said about those comments and if you believe those comments "worse than said person being a pedophile", your "train" has definitely left the tracks.
Grump 4/23/2014 10:12:28 AM Report

rw If Harper wasn't such an incompetent, dictator type there wouldn't be such an abundance of examples of the same. People might take you neo-cons a bit more seriously if you dropped this Harper hater stupidity and addressed the comments being put forth. Then again when there isn't a decent way to address his actions ,I guess you either keep quiet or stick with the dumb Harper hater crap. I used to believe you were a good debater but now realize you just wear folks down with incessant, nagging B.S.
debo 4/23/2014 10:20:51 AM Report


Your comment at 9:47 aimed at BB is hilariously ironic (no intent on your part I'm sure) when considered with the second to last paragraph of your post at 10:02.

Talk about a kettle(of the wide-mouthed variety) calling anything else black!!!
debo 4/23/2014 10:33:57 AM Report

"wiseone" .... "apeing", "over ripe" , remember?
You need to do a better job correcting your own spelling errors before you deride another poster.

lookaround 4/23/2014 10:49:27 AM Report

lookaround I don't get it , I still don't get the monikers on here. Who is TEEPS?
lookaround 4/23/2014 10:58:05 AM Report

right wing talking about abortions and people's graves is no better than someone being called a pedophile However people like Jack Layton need to be honoured because he was truly admired by the people and pedophiles aren't. I noticed you never said anything about Steelworkers comments but just the regular jibber jabber. I am just uttering what is observed on here, a double standard and that is why some conversations are really not palatable by most.
theprotector 4/23/2014 11:09:08 AM Report

wow right wing, just what runs through that thick head of yours? Not very much from the readings on here. Sad so very sad. It seems things go arye on this site when you and wisen show up. Case and point today. I put out a valid discussion topic and questions, yet it was derailed by wisen and yourself. What is your need to insist you are right on everything? What is your need to be so passive agressive? Sir you need help, please seek help.
theprotector 4/23/2014 11:12:46 AM Report

geez guys you gonna make right wing and wisen crap their pants, go easy they are of simple minds and thoughts.
theprotector 4/23/2014 11:13:09 AM Report I give a rats ass
flyhawk25 4/23/2014 11:14:11 AM Report

I suppose if Trudeau's hair and bare chest blows your brush-cut back go for it.
Here's a hint - the pot references and the f-bomb are getting old.
mallet 4/23/2014 11:24:52 AM Report


You asked why is Harper allowed to .. etc..

Well for one thing he has a majority government and can ram through just about any bill he wants to..

As for the census form, well lets see, why do they want to know the ins and outs of everyones business, does the government not know how much you earn, what language you speak, where you live, does mpac not know how big your house is and the value. The only reason for a long form is for "interest groups" to make lists to apply for your and mine tax dollars, for various programs that they want to run, are we not all Canadians..

Combining bills into one large one. One can argue two ways on this, would anything get done if each and every bill(piece of legislation) had to go through the process of the three readings and the committee stages and senate approval, or put it all into one bill and debate that all at one time.

As for the voting practices, again this could be open to violations, especially in certain religious/cultural sections of the voting public. How do you verify that a person covered head to foot in clothing is not voting once, twice, three, times because someone "vouched" for them? Has it happened, I do not know, could it happen, I believe so. A more simple way would be for the voter who needs to be "vouched" for has to put their finger on an "indelable ink pad" to say they have only voted once, however in Ontario your health card has all your indentity information on it, and a scanner could be in place as well for those people for whom ID is a problem...
POKER 4/23/2014 11:32:23 AM Report

We Canadians are very fortunate to have a competent conservative government in Ottawa. If you want to see what you get with a Liberal government , look at the mess in Ontario. Most Canadians know this and ignore the Harper haters. People like Grump, with their daily rants show every day how little knowledge they have of Canadian politics.
Mr. Poster 4/23/2014 11:35:05 AM Report

It would not surprise me to see Harper decide NOT to run in the next election.
theprotector 4/23/2014 11:55:43 AM Report

lol @ poker!!

good points mallet, however we do need to allow for full debate on each law, yes it does slow the process but I do beleive it is necessary to ensure that the law is best for most.

As far as the identification of voters, if you want to vote the elections officer must verify who you are and that is best with photo id.
theprotector 4/23/2014 11:58:11 AM Report

it would surprise me to see harper run period!! Man eat a salad every now and then
steelworker 4/23/2014 12:04:12 PM Report

Jack Layton "was admired by the people"!! I blew coffee all over my monitor at that little gem. As to the Trudeau comments "getting old"-that's all we have to work with so far. Trudeaus' handlers have a sock stuffed in his yap to stop the flow of stupidity so we will have to wait til he gets loose again.
Wisenheimer 4/23/2014 12:09:38 PM Report

Teeps is The Protector
Debo is offended.
Look is eversons.
Breaking News .. Canada voted country with the richest middle class of the G7+1 by a Luxenberg think tank, overtaking the U.S.
Results based on high commodity prices and a strong dollar.
With our markets grinding higher, it is wonderful to live in such a well governed country.
flyhawk25 4/23/2014 12:12:39 PM Report

Hmm...wonder if we could let you use the sock for a few weeks.
Or months.
right wing 4/23/2014 12:27:14 PM Report

...yes debo, that is what I do...come on here and do a daily "serious in nature" rant on the golden pony.
Nice spin though, I'll give you that.
BIG BROTHER 4/23/2014 12:28:26 PM Report

Poker sounds like those who pushed for representation locally, by someone who belongs to the governing party and all the favours we'd get for doing so.

How's that working out. Not a peep from Hayes, else he may say something wrong, according to Herr Harper's playbook.

Harper is a sad joke to majority of Canadians. The secret is now out and the whole world can see how pathetic he really is.
right wing 4/23/2014 12:31:19 PM Report

Grump...should I still call you that or is the King Hypocrisy more fitting.
I did attempt to debate with you on specific topics in the past.
All you did was exactly what you just did...a mindless rant claiming others to do what you do best.
I gave up after that and discovered that rattling your cage is just simply more rewarding.

right wing 4/23/2014 12:33:29 PM Report

"How's that working out. Not a peep from Hayes, else he may say something wrong, according to Herr Harper's playbook."

Thanks B.B., right on time. see, case in point...more blanket rhetoric from the one that wants to discuss bipartisanship.
Nice touch with the "Herr".

steelworker 4/23/2014 12:33:43 PM Report

Unlike your hero Obama who blew thirty-five thousand gallons of jet fuel flying to Japan for a vacay on Earth Day all the while telling the American sock puppet voters to recycle to save the planet.
steelworker 4/23/2014 12:35:34 PM Report

rightwing: go for Comrade Mulcair or Airhead Trudeau and watch the frothing begin.
right wing 4/23/2014 12:38:00 PM Report


Welcome to the swamp.
Wisenheimer 4/23/2014 12:39:28 PM Report

"Mort Zuckerman, billionaire newspaper czar and Canadian ex-pat, on Friday, predicts Harper and the conservatives will be returned with a majority in the next election. Attributes it to Harper's stewardship of the economy.
(warning, warning .. keep all sharp objects and rope away from you know who and his "brudder-in-law".)
right wing 4/23/2014 12:47:48 PM Report

I don't believe the average Canadian paid much attention to Justin Trudeau and his political life prior to his becoming head of the Liberal party.
When it first came to light that the Liberal party was really considering him for their leader I bet a lot of Canadians, myself included, thought it could be a smart move on their part.
Then J.T. started to speak.....
debo 4/23/2014 12:52:49 PM Report

You don't have the wherewithal to offend me "wiseone". That belief, on your part, is just another manifestation of your inflated sense of yourself. That along with your stated view of your posts as being "thoughtful, humorous .... and some other blather" pretty much sum you up ... just another narcissist whose greatest ambition is to die in his own arms.
And, while on the topic of your posts ... I'm thinking the IPCC should investigate them as a contributory cause of climate change.
theprotector 4/23/2014 12:53:19 PM Report

steelworker who cares
mallet 4/23/2014 12:54:22 PM Report

I just heard on the news that Mr Obama has sent some paratroops to Mr Putin's backyard, and the western powers says that Russia is provoking them, how does this work again. Pro western protesters oust a democratically elected president and Russia is behind what? The automious Crimea decides to hold a referendum and decides they do not want to be part of the Ukraine and would rather become part of Russia, so the west puts sanctions on Russians. Russia says its troops are taking part in field exercises near Ukraine border and that is a provocation and more sanctions are invoked. Maybe I am a little thick here, but it seems the west will support any protest that will get rid of the leaders they don't like but when someone says "not so fast" that's a provocation.. I have asked but do not get replies when I ask various governments how their participation in ousting Mubarak, Ghadafi, and trying Assad is working out for them.. seems they dont like being hoisted on their own petards!!!
I was going to ask the White House if they have ever watched that film "A Bridge Too Far", when sending in paratroopers, but I did not want to appear too knowledgable!!!
lookaround 4/23/2014 1:07:20 PM Report

Wisenheimer I am not Everssons
lookaround 4/23/2014 1:11:21 PM Report

Eversonns must have wiled some on here. Must have given ire to those who think that only their opinion is God's testament and verse.
Wisenheimer 4/23/2014 1:14:22 PM Report

Eversons was sorta like Teeps, and Grump.
All hat, no cattle.
Bobby Nerves 4/23/2014 1:15:00 PM Report


Over the weekend, on sunday, Yemeni army with participation of the USA army and most likely with USA intelligence, executed multiple incursions killing dozens of alqaeda members.

In Somalia, they swept widely, and some annalists presume it could be related with the flight M370.

Russia is an entertainment from which Canada should keep out and let the pentagon do the magic.

The fight is about the currency.
lookaround 4/23/2014 1:18:40 PM Report

Poker God bless you but look at the income tax we pay and look at the Trans Canada highway. A disgrace compared to other countries and as we speak Harper wants to dismantle the Canada's Health pact. Is that what you want for your children and poor frail grandmother ? We are going backward Poker. All what my father and yours too is being dismantled and at the same time nothing is getting better. For my taxes I want what I had 10 years ago and if not then fairly reduce my taxes. Simple math.
lookaround 4/23/2014 1:20:39 PM Report

Who is TEEPS?
learningaswego 4/23/2014 1:24:26 PM Report

Canada's middle class the wealthiest - and growing - of the G7/8...but how can that be?

The born with a silver spoon ManChild Who Wants to be King and who wants to legalize marijuana says that Canada's middle class is suffering great pain under the evil Harper; and that he, and he alone - is the Saviour of Canada's middle class.

He says he knows this, and can relate, because he once said a half-hour speech for $20,000, where he is sure there was a middle-class person right there in the audience among his adoring admirers.

Justy Boy will have none of this statistics, facts, and expert opinion on our poor,suffering, middle class - none of it!
lookaround 4/23/2014 1:43:14 PM Report

Steelworker and Harper goes to "who the hell is cares about Harper" Israel and tries to give advice and a little trade "as Obama did" and at the same time goes site seeing and with his wife, all on my tax dollars. Nice try Steelworker but again your posts hold no decorum and are at infinitum one-sided. I kind of liken you to the Jerk-in the-box, pop out say something dumb and leave behind a bad taste. I always come back on you buddy and I won't let go kinda like the pit bull. You are still not forgiven on this forum for your obnoxious posts so fly away. You are wasting your time.
theprotector 4/23/2014 1:43:30 PM Report

sure but how does the rest compare as far as cost of living, taxes etc. Its fine to say we have the richest middle class but if we have to pay more for living and expences how far does the money actually go in comparison?
lookaround 4/23/2014 1:53:58 PM Report

Learning why are you so worried about Justin Trudeau? Seems you are worried WHY? If he is no threat then why all the rhetoric and bad mouthing something that hasn't even happened..yet? Tell me are you worried that the unknown or the path less taken may be a good thing. Don't worry the electorate will decide. It is still early and when the youth with their high debt load and low paying job prospects decide what is best, they will vote with their conscience. When someone's healthcare is now costing them more they will decide who to vote for and when someone looks at their income tax and look at what they get for it they will decide. Don't worry learning as we go ( we are learning and taking pointers). Yes we have a less shrinking middle class according to the news but still we pay more for what we get just to live so technically the middle class is shrinking just not as fast on the race to the bottom.
lookaround 4/23/2014 1:55:26 PM Report

Looking at Denmark, Norway and Sweden we pay high taxes but get less for them.
Bobby Nerves 4/23/2014 1:59:01 PM Report


Fortunately, the running candidate could demand $ 20.000 for a chit chat, and what could upset you the most is that many people paid to listen to what he has to say, and many others were left outside.

How much do you think you'll have to pay to have few people reading your conclusions?

For some reason JT is where he is and we (and you included) are here in the valley and can't rise our voice even from a 24' ladder.

Grump 4/23/2014 2:03:16 PM Report

Whoa Protector, you are old enough and bright enough to not buy into the neo-con B.S. That's all they have as if they ever admitted the truth about Harper and his merry band of misfits they would be admitting just how badly they were taken in. Poker you are either a very droll comedian or a complete moron. Have to run so get onto Rush and Google rw and see what you can come up with. Not much I expect but do your best.
theprotector 4/23/2014 2:50:04 PM Report

oh I know grump, that will never happen! No worries there...I thought I would dance close to the edge but now I cant get the stank off of me!!
Pink Peony 4/23/2014 2:53:45 PM Report

So now he's allowing under aged drinking at 24 Sussex.

Maybe he's trying to get popular with the young voters...
lookaround 4/23/2014 2:59:43 PM Report

Haha I was just about to post something about this. Good example for Canada. Yeah!
lookaround 4/23/2014 3:03:40 PM Report

I am disappointed that Jim Flaherty got a state funeral and Herb Grey who served Canada above and beyond and served Canada honourably more so than the present government gets a nod.
POKER 4/23/2014 3:49:02 PM Report

lookaround--I am comfortable with the value we get for our Federal tax dollars. It's the Provincial tax dollars that are wasted that bothers me. On top of that the lies, the scandals, the deceit, the uncontrolled spending. Let's not forget how good this liberal group is at using our money to buy our votes. I wonder how bad things would have been had we had a Liberal government in Ottawa since 2008.
Grump 4/23/2014 4:02:36 PM Report

Poker you are certainly not a droll comedian ,which makes you a m****. Google Harper lies and you will see that next to his lies the Liberals are choir boys. Also those that are touting the prosperity of Canada certainly are not including our National debt. The dials are turning so fast on the National debt clock that the bearings are going to burn out. Try facts Poker instead of these wide sweeping statement backed only by your opinion.
POKER 4/23/2014 4:10:40 PM Report

Grump, Your response was typical of most of your responses. No facts, Lots of name calling. I will not lower myself to your level. I am not a hater. I do not surf sites to find information that might support my position. That's the liberal way.
POKER 4/23/2014 4:13:00 PM Report

lookaround, that statement was mighty liberal of you. How sad
lookaround 4/23/2014 4:14:33 PM Report

Poker I am NOT satisfied by the actions of this government. Firstly we are having a celebration of the ending of the Afghanistan war on May 9th. Not one letter has been sent to local Legions. That is less than two weeks away. What kind of celebration can a country have if no one is made aware. Secondly Harper has downplayed those that fought. He has dishonoured those with PTDS because he has underfunded medical programs and most are left on their won or pay for their own treatment. I am disgraced at this and not proud.
lookaround 4/23/2014 4:15:49 PM Report

Grump 4/23/2014 4:16:43 PM Report

Poker I just had a peak at the Canadian National Debt which now stands at 700 Billion Dollars. That is 700 times a thousand million. Now who in the hell are the out of control spenders? These incompetents have cut every program that supported average Canadians while lowering Corporate taxes and financing the oil boys. They still couldn't balance the budget in all their years in power. But now hooray, hooray they think we will have a few million surplus this next year. That surplus doesn't even begin to pay the interest on this borrowed money. Only total morons could be happy with this incompetence.
Grump 4/23/2014 4:20:34 PM Report

Poker there are facts and if you are too dumb to get it then there is no point in anyone carrying on any further conversation with you. Don't bother checking them out because you will only deny or feel as dumb as you have been.
lookaround 4/23/2014 4:20:39 PM Report

The liberal way, lets see your Health Care is the liberal way, maternity leave and the Canada Pension Plan. All liberal ways. What has the Conservatives done for the middle class lately? Dismantle Canada. I am a proud Canadian for Canadians. I know I will get the typical rude response calling me a lefty, a liberal and whatever the right uses to demean people.
lookaround 4/23/2014 4:22:29 PM Report

poker is not dumb or a moron just misinformed.
Grump 4/23/2014 4:25:39 PM Report

You are right Poker, only the Liberals want to see the truth. The neo-con way is to cringe from the truth and deny, deny ,deny. Go play with the rest of the Rose coloured glasses crowd. You obviously don't belong out in the daylight.
notpc 4/23/2014 4:44:15 PM Report


You are correct about the staggering amount of the federal debt, but the $700B number is meaningless without comparing it to the past. That number of just under $700B is approximately 37% of Canada's GDP. A high number but somewhat lower than some other years. For example, in 1991 it was 55% and in 1997 it was a staggering 64% (just under $600B). In 2002 it was still 44% of GDP. So 37% really isn't bad on a comparative basis.

I might also add that the biggest jump in our debt since your beloved Mr Harper was PM occurred in 2009 when over $50B of stimulus money was provided to get the country out of recession. Had it not been spent, Canada would have been pretty much the only developed nation to not provide stimulus. One might also mention that the Liberals and NDP strongly encouraged the Conservatives to spend that money.

Those are the relevant facts.
steelworker 4/23/2014 4:48:37 PM Report

Grump,lookaround and the Protector. The three amigos with one brain. Larry,Curly and Moe from the liberal dorkside. Just reading your tripe is like nails on a chalkboard.
lookaround 4/23/2014 5:00:39 PM Report

Typical response from Steelworker. Always the same old . Can you not be a normal person? I guess being alone brings bitterness. But reading your responses I have no doubt why you are all by yourself.
Grump 4/23/2014 5:14:07 PM Report

Notpc You certainly are coming across as one. GDP 04/72.6%, 06/71.6%, 07/70.3%, 08/66.5%, 09/71.1%, 10/83.6%, 11/85%, 12/85% 13/ 84% . These are based on total Federal debt and certainly paint a different picture than your numbers. Steely go crawl back into your septic tank and pull the lid down tight. It's easy to see where Harper put his firm hand on the economy. lol if it doesn't make you cry.
Zing 4/23/2014 5:30:30 PM Report

I can't believe how some posters tend to bite the hand that feeds them....

steelworker 4/23/2014 5:32:08 PM Report

No room in the septic tank. It's full of Libturds with nice hair.
notpc 4/23/2014 5:54:10 PM Report


The reason that your numbers are different from mine is that your numbers appear to be Gross National Debt to GDP and mine are Net National Debt to GDP. The Gross number excludes the financial assets held by the government. Or possibly you may be including provincial debt which is irrelevant to the federal situation, although I doubt that is what you are doing.

My point though, wasn't the actual percentage number but the percentage compared to other years. Do that comparison and you'll see that my comparison is valid. And by the way, you didn't say anything about the Opposition's demands that the Conservatives spend that over $50B in stimulus money in 2009. That was was the biggest contributor to the increase in debt. Do you believe that it was justified to spend it and increase the national debt or not?
Trvlr 4/23/2014 6:05:49 PM Report

So maybe it’s not the politicians who suck; maybe it’s something else. Like the public. That would be a nice realistic campaign slogan for somebody: “The public sucks. Elect me.” Put the blame where it belongs: on the people. Because if everything is really the fault of politicians, where are all the bright, honest, intelligent people who are ready to step in and replace them? Where are these people hiding? The truth is, we don’t have people like that. Everyone’s at the mall, scratching his balls and buying sneakers with lights in them. And complaining about the politicians.
...George Carlin ;)
steelworker 4/23/2014 6:14:41 PM Report

Sneakers with lights!!! Where can I buy some. They would go oh so great with my pants that sag down to my ankles. I'm going to the Mall tomorrow to pick up the latest from Avril Lavigne (Hello Kitty!) and will be on the lookout for the aforementioned shoes.
lookaround 4/23/2014 6:25:02 PM Report

Scrollin on down
POKER 4/23/2014 6:36:11 PM Report

Great editorial in todays Sault Star "Sickening vitriol from liberal left very disturbing". Liberals like Grump and lookaround should read it. Just maybe they might see themselves. I don't think so, they see things one way. Always left. The two are really predictable.
Wisenheimer 4/23/2014 6:46:27 PM Report

So Wise heads up the road to get a Timmies', and behold a school bus disgorging young minds of mush.
3 get out, walk in front of bus to cross the road, heads deeply buried in electronic devices.
Wise stops as they shuffle across. Wise then gestures to bus driver as to why flashing lights are not flashing.
Driver with a look of horror, flips them on and gives Wise a look of "oh thanks please don't tell a soul". Young automatons are none the wiser, and continue to play "candy crush" or check out what Kim's up to.
lookaround 4/23/2014 6:57:18 PM Report

That Wisenheimer is what you call progressive consumerism. Sell and some fool buys it. These are the future generation. Sad to know the previous generations busted their chops for this generation. They are like sheep to the trough. No independent thought, no individuality just buy into the myth that more is better. That is the conservative way,
Grump 4/23/2014 7:01:52 PM Report

Poker you really are a trier. Christina Blizzard has a few gallons of vitriol of her own everyday directed at the Liberals. Sheesh if that's all you got, run along and play with the children.
steelworker 4/23/2014 7:02:12 PM Report

...sounds like edumacated future Liberal voters to us more educated conservatives.
Grump 4/23/2014 7:10:42 PM Report

notpc my numbers includes all debt, whether owed to Insurance companys ,Foreign Investors and gov't bonds and factors in securities gov't held. Now we are talking 50 million in stimulus spending not 50 Billion and there is a smaller up tick in 2009 that in 2010 so what is the excuse for that?
lookaround 4/23/2014 7:13:46 PM Report

I am sorry Poker actually I am centre but I don't like the dismantling of Canada that took generations to make. I hate dishonesty. I work hard for what I have. Not once in my life was I on EI, disability or on the government trough. Everything I have I own outright. I am struggling now that my husband passed away.
I don't rack up bills and I vote with my heart, I believe
in Canada but I don't believe in dismantling institutions that we all earned and Harper is doing it.
He pretends to be the voice of Canada, He is not. He tried to rewrite the election act. He didn't have any permission and he got his hand slapped. He has senators who were paid off and who were downright dishonest. Brazeau Wallin and the Dufster. He took away the wheat board and now we have a backlog of last years wheat that was not shipped. Farmers cannot plan this years crops. He tried to rewrite the justice code again he got his hand slapped. Instead he changing Canada why not work with improving the status quo? That is what Canada needs. He cares only for the Wast and to hell with anything east. Now you know I am a proud Canadian.
flyhawk25 4/23/2014 7:36:38 PM Report

Actually so am I and like you I just want good government of any stripe.
I applaud your attitude.
steelworker 4/23/2014 7:42:50 PM Report

The word for today is "delusional".
nanag 4/23/2014 7:50:33 PM Report

I was just perusing the lost and found section of the classifieds here on soo Today...some one has lost a ....

"Bull prick"

So of course my mind heads in an anatomical direction.. but then I Googled it. I can't help but wonder why the fellow that posted it, in the lost and found ,did not explain what it was, or what it looked like. How the heck are we supposed to know we found it if he doesn't describe what it looks like?

just a thought
POKER 4/23/2014 7:50:56 PM Report

lookaround, I applaud you for expressing your feelings very clearly and without name calling. I may not agree with you but accept your right to express yourself. To bad Grump doesn't have the same ability.
notpc 4/23/2014 7:54:50 PM Report


Not sure where you got the $50M figure from but it definitely was around $50B. Here is a link to a CBC story in 2010 citing the Fraser Institute claiming that the stimulus package wasn't responsible for the rebound in Canada's economy. It claims the number was $47B, slightly under the $50B. Nowhere near $50M.
notpc 4/23/2014 8:03:09 PM Report


You claimed that your debt to GDP numbers factored in the assets held, but I would suggest that they were in fact the Gross Debt to GDP. I've attached this link to a list of countries and their Gross and Net Debt to GDP ratios in 2012 as determined by the IMF. Note Canada's Gross Debt figure is 84.641% and its Net Gross Debt figure is 34.563%. Your high numbers correlate to the Gross Debt figure, not the Net Debt as mine does. That should explain the confusion.
mallet 4/23/2014 8:25:22 PM Report

Notpc and Grump..

Once you get past 5 zeros what the heck does it matter, it's going to be a lot of money.. The main reason is very simple really the government gives away more than it takes in, and we are happy they do that.. The 50billion in the stimulus package, we argued about before, Grump, because if you remember, the Liberals and the NDP wanted to spend more than that... What can we all do without, I do not know who is prepared to give up anything to balance the books and eventually remove the National debt from our childrens childrens, children, if even then. Can a government ever do anything to please everyone, in my years in two countries I have not seen it happen....
theprotector 4/23/2014 8:50:07 PM Report

well perhaps managment of government departments should stop using tax payers money to fund travel of their girlfriends to toronto and then give them a cushy management job they are not qualified for, sorry local knowledge at work.
BIG BROTHER 4/23/2014 9:22:21 PM Report

Very impassioned post. You sound like a very nice person and very bright.

You are absolutely correct about Harper's plan. It is totally un-Canadian, at least according to what I've always thought Canada was about. Those who like Harper and his leadership, must have had a real hate on for Canada for years. The Western sentiment is his base. They (the West) have despised central Canada for years, right or wrong.

Why this group, on this blog, finds anything redeeming about him is beyond reality.
Bobby Nerves 4/23/2014 9:33:14 PM Report

BB, what really matters are the facts and as long as JT do not generate any doubts regarding piping the oil right, left and center, Harper is sleeping with the fishes.

Barack Obama just shoveled the last dirt on him.

In the meantime, Obama is playing damn with Putin, but look what happens over the weekend:

If al asiri is confirmed, there is an opening for Kadhr who should be sent with the virgins in the same way al asiri sent his brother, with a stick in his R's.
BIG BROTHER 4/23/2014 9:48:06 PM Report

Not my line, but have to share this one...

Muslims are not happy in Gaza
they're not happy in Egypt
they're not happy in Libya
they're not happy in Morocco
they're not happy in Iran
they're not happy in Iraq
they're not happy in Yemen
they're not happy in Afghanistan
they're not happy in Pakistan
they're not happy in Syria
they're not happy in Lebanon
So, let's see where they ARE happy?
they're happy in Australia
they're happy in Canada
they're happy in England
they're happy in France
they're happy in Italy
they're happy in Germany
they're happy in Sweden
they're happy in the USA
they're happy in Norway
they're happy in Holland
they're happy in Denmark
Basically, they're happy in every country that is not Muslim and unhappy in every country that is! And whom do they blame?
not Islam
not their leadership
not themselves
THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!! AND THEN; they want to change those countries to be like......the country they came from where they were unhappy!
BIG BROTHER 4/23/2014 9:55:57 PM Report

I agree Bobby. Just won't be soon enough for me. He is in a mad rush to accomplish his vision this term, because he sees it as his last and only chance. Omnibus bills have a scattergun effect. They take out much red tape in one shot.
Bobby Nerves 4/23/2014 10:02:48 PM Report

He may have a lot, but no pipe!

Mulroney will die as the manila envelope man, and Harper will die as a no pipe man.
flyhawk25 4/23/2014 10:25:28 PM Report

It is interesting that as the discussion begins to cite facts and thoughtful opinions that the sniping and labeling diminishes.
I hope it is a cause/effect thing but it just might be hockey on tv or a loss of computer privileges for the usual offenders.
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