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View Room Comments for Sunday, Apr. 13 2014

Sunday, April 13, 2014   by: The View RoomWelcome to the SooToday.com View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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Grump 4/13/2014 7:49:22 AM Report

Good morning everyone, time to rise and shine. Wow that was quite a demolition crew last evening but hopefully effective. I have been on here for a while trying to show others what a sweet and tender fellow I am. lol. Then some moron pokes me with a keyboard stick and away we go. Maybe we can upgrade to someone that can at least craft a proper insult instead of regurgitating the same sour bile. In any case Lookaround, Status and Sparks ,well done. Have a great day all.
flyhawk25 4/13/2014 7:59:16 AM Report

Good morning - it looks as if the keyboard commandos took care of the adolescent snipers last night.
If we ever create a Blue Room Public Service Award those folks should get it.
Thanks folks and well done.
Grump 4/13/2014 8:12:19 AM Report

Right on Fly. If these folks show up at the next summit I will certainly supply beverages. You too rw if you ever show.
Big Bad Bob 4/13/2014 8:25:25 AM Report

Good morning everyone,
Given certain disparaging comments made on this site yesterday concerning the literary merits of Margaret Atwood (a question of personal taste of which I have never presumed to impose my own on anybody), a few words of local historical miscellania may be of interest to fellow posters.
The Forest Insect Laboratory on Queen Street was created in 1944 in face of a serious spruce budworm infestation which was devastating the coniferous forests of northwest Ontario and New Brunswick at the time. This centre was the first of its kind in Canada and ever since has enjoyed an international reputation for its work. The first entomologist in charge was Dr. Carl Atwood, Margaret’s father. She accordingly spent a few of her early formative years in our fair city, an experience which I like to think may have had some influence on the quality of her literary output rather than not. If nothing else, she certainly has an obvious respect for nature and wildlife like her scientifically learned father.
Spellchecker 4/13/2014 8:48:39 AM Report

Way to go Sunni. I've kind of given it up as a useless endeavour but Sunnidelight has taken up spellchecking duties under one of the news stories.
*******
Wild Turkey 4/13/2014 8:57:43 AM Report

Re Margaret Atwood---"If you're not annoying someone, you're not really alive."
I tried to imagine what She was thinking when She wrote that.
The best I could come up with is this.
She was referring to mosquitos that depend on blood to survive.(The female persuasion).Sometimes the bite goes un-noticed,but when they get annoying, they are swatted and terminated.
Gentle suggestion does not work on mosquitos and it isn't working here.
tea granny 4/13/2014 9:09:18 AM Report

Margaret Atwoods book Cats Eye takes place in Sault Ste Marie.
Grump 4/13/2014 9:14:43 AM Report

Wild Turkey I agree we have one or two pests here of the female persuasion but surely you don't mean to swat them? lol
Bobby Nerves 4/13/2014 9:17:25 AM Report



Yes, but when you realize that a mosquito just landed on your testicle, you, suddenly discover that not always violence is the necessary solution to every conflict.



Bobby Nerves 4/13/2014 9:25:38 AM Report


And those are not mosquitoes, are bed bugs, an ugly creature that invaded the soo since half decade and keeps spreading among those that tend to share the same infected mattress, a common behavior among many around this bulletin board.
Different than the mosquitoes, the bed bug will make up the bite with a with an anesthetic of some sort, then she can suck comfortable and for the time the victim discover the itching, she's long gone.
Further, the bed bug only bites when she is gonna laid eggs and can easily be detected... by the droppings.
I'll no extend in the sexual practices of the bed bugs, but if you're interested, go for it.


Wild Turkey 4/13/2014 9:26:20 AM Report

Definitely not, Grump.That would be a limitation of human rights.
One or two dumb-ass comments can be perceived as expected behaviour, from some of the regular cast members of this unfolding "soap opera".Indeed if the banter stopped suddenly,the episodes would become just another boring news site.
But--some characters forget to read the disclaimer at the top of the page, before they launch into their vitriol.
flyhawk25 4/13/2014 9:28:26 AM Report

Let's not give them any more time in our discussion.Just don't respond and they'll eventually find others to annoy.
old-cat33 4/13/2014 9:49:47 AM Report

Sam C: Those two stupid "Stop" signs at the south end of the Home Depot parking lot wouldn't that be better replaced by "Yield" signs?
Bobby Nerves 4/13/2014 9:57:48 AM Report


Grump, you know who is the mickey mouse designed registrar of the Ontario College of Trades, Mr. David Tabuchi. Partner of Mr. Harris.

They'll get to charge you an annual fee to buy a wide brush. Because they know the damage that can be done with a pass of the wide brush.
Grump 4/13/2014 10:17:43 AM Report

old-cat33, What stop signs? LMAO
statusquo 4/13/2014 10:22:25 AM Report

Spelly,

Thanks for spotting our old pal "sunnidelight" in the minimum wage news discussion .

Interesting opinions from folks who , if left to their own devices, would have a very hard time writing a readable if not "read worthy" resume.

The situation the family living on minimum wage finds itself in is certainly not an enviable one.
Raising the minimum wage to 14 or 15 dollars an hour would be sustainable for certain businesses but not for all.
The vast majority of small outfits would not be able to support such a drastic increase.
The sad fact is that we live in a different world than it was a couple of decades ago.
A university education is no longer a guarantee to get a well paying job and student loans are crippling the financial resources of most students.

Globalization, automation and a massive bleeding out of manufacturing jobs to countries overseas with a much cheaper labour force has created a now chronically underemployed and underpaid segment of our population that we will have to deal with for a long time to come.
The Sault in particular is in an even more precarious situation as we are a stone's throw away from cheaper goods across the river. The millions of dollars that flow out of the Sault year after year due to cross border shopping have a massive impact on our labour market, tax base and general financial health of this community.
But it is what it is and we all have to learn to adapt.
Waiting for any government, be it left or right or in the middle is something we should not rely on.
The American or Canadian dream, if there ever was one has to be tailored to a new reality.
flyhawk25 4/13/2014 10:32:54 AM Report

SQ...you raise a valid point.
But you may have missed one area.Consider the increase of on-line shopping.People simply avoid the costs and fuss of shopping in a retail outlet for many goods by going to websites to shop.By by-passing the retailer locally many of these places are closing.
An increase in minimum wage will impact some many service industries but McJobs will benefit and the cost passed on to consumers.
flyhawk25 4/13/2014 10:33:49 AM Report

'some/many'
theprotector 4/13/2014 10:36:53 AM Report

damn, a few days in the hospital and I miss a great battle!!!

Did ya miss me???
statusquo 4/13/2014 10:41:19 AM Report

Fly,

On line shopping is exploding. Brick and mortar businesses cannot compete if they are in the "widget" selling category.
Grump 4/13/2014 10:44:28 AM Report

T.P. We all missed your stylish prose. Hope all is well and that they didn't cut off anything you still need.
Bobby Nerves 4/13/2014 10:45:51 AM Report

Status:
I think in the same neighborhood than you do, but, cross border shopping it's a two ways street and under the proper conditions, we also benefit from it and it's an even deal.

You somehow are in the receiving end of a slow and deteriorated economy as people will fix and repair instead of replace.

The Canadian and the American dream have a totally different meaning for everyone around here.

Many people value things that are a given for you and the rest of the people born here, but if you remember our Mom and your Dad stories, as I do of mine, they had enough reasons to find the dreamed land.
mr.monty 4/13/2014 11:06:51 AM Report

hey folks. does anyone know where the RESTORE place is located? I need 5 sheets of paneling for my old camping trailer. re.doing the inside. thanks in advance.
Brietsy 4/13/2014 11:15:12 AM Report

I think the ReStore is out by white oak drive.
right wing 4/13/2014 11:22:47 AM Report

"rw on the other hand would cling on like a pit-bull on steroids. I like rw...he is cute!"

Statusquo

That's only cause you are so clingy....like lint on a black shirt...and you do that move with your mid section that reminds me of a lava lamp.

;)

...and your defense of Grump...sorry defending a paying customer holds no credibility.
It is a must do thing (you like his money more than him) and I understand.
I do however have no doubt whatsoever when you stated that Grump talks the same way as he posts...stupid is as stupid does.

Bobby Nerves 4/13/2014 11:23:14 AM Report

North/Second Line, across the Finnish Home and the New School (now aging).
BIG BROTHER 4/13/2014 12:00:25 PM Report

Brietsy,
Corner of second line and North Street.
old-cat33 4/13/2014 12:21:18 PM Report

Grump: Those stop signs at the entrance to Home Depot towards the street light entrance. Those things are a pain.
Grump 4/13/2014 12:41:40 PM Report

old-cat I know where they are but you really stop there?
Bobby Nerves 4/13/2014 1:01:56 PM Report

You have to be wise when going into the Home Depot and if you'd like to fix your truck for free, I'll tell what to do. Do as I said and you gonna get a donor in no more than a week.

Getting off the Highway and as you hit the corner between the suit people and the warehouse, instead of turning right like going into the HD parking lot garden or painting, you have to speed up and turn left towards the contractors desk and tool rental.
I bet my money to peanuts that in a week I have a new truck and 25 to 45 grands in the bank.

That's your right of way. Period.

It's only one way to go through a red light and never get a ticket, which one is the exception to driving through a red light?
mallet 4/13/2014 1:14:01 PM Report

Status Quo and Flyhawk...

I do not know if you ever watch those programmes called "How it's Made" but you will see how over the last 50 years or so the advent of computer and robotic technology has gradually and then raced to remove the human in industry. Computer and robots do not need lunch breaks, toilet breaks, smoke breaks, holidays, weekends, overtime or any of the needs and wants of man or woman. Those were the high paying jobs that as people born just before, during and after the war would go into, and then came the first round of robotic technology, the punch tape era, and from then on the writing was on the wall. A company in the UK was the first to make real use of this, and computerised their machine shop and laid off hundreds of men to be replaced by two a tool changer and a labourer, at greatly reduced wages. Today with just about everything computerised the need for people in industry is diminishing, and we shall be left with only service industry and some trades for kids to go into. Even the shop assistant/cashier is being turned into self service, and to be brutally honest not everyone is suited to go onto university education, the debt for which can cripple the graduate financially. Mr Gates and Mr Jobs have an awful lot to answer for, however if not them someone else! What is the answer? heck if I know, I feel sorry for the children of today, for I cannot see a meaningful future for them in a well paid, satisfying occupation...
bounder 4/13/2014 1:14:56 PM Report

Only when it's flashing and you must stop,
Fly and Gump slapping each others backs like they accomplished something, did it help no, so Grump did you attend the massed congregation this AM? Lmao.
Grump 4/13/2014 1:24:17 PM Report

rw You could be correct as it's obvious that you would be the expert on stupid is as stupid does. At least I don't mince around like a little girl. Well I would like to come to the gathering, I'll try ,but maybe I'll have to work and on and on. What do you work rw, a couple of hours a week? You must be feeble minded to not be able to figure out your free time with a feeble job like yours. Run along and feed your feeble B.S. to the posse. I go to Status because he is a professional and when one of my vehicles come out of there I know it is safe and checked over. Now if I wanted someone to kiss my butt I would go to someone like you that needs the work. That said going to a professional is by far the better choice. I'm in business, I want expert service not butt kissing.
Grump 4/13/2014 1:35:54 PM Report

Bounder you are truly an ignorant moron. If you don't get the gist of what most on here feel about your stupid posts then you are beyond redemption. Carry on, go away, your call as I'm not stooping to your level again.
bounder 4/13/2014 1:37:37 PM Report

Grump,
if you could bend over far enough, kiss your own,mission accomplished, service rendered by a professional.LMAO.
Grump 4/13/2014 1:41:51 PM Report

Hey everybody, did someone let a dog in? I think he farted. lol
theprotector 4/13/2014 2:04:47 PM Report

grump dont pick on the girly men!!

RW and bounder are still licking themselves, only cuz they can and no one else will!
flyhawk25 4/13/2014 2:28:45 PM Report

mallet...I agree.
However there will be a need for people in the fast food industry and other places.And that is something where the wage disparity should change.
Those jobs aren't going to be automated or shipped off-shore.And the market will adjust.
Seems to me that the law needs some fine tuning to reflect reality better.
David Poluck 4/13/2014 2:34:48 PM Report

Hi Pro!
Hope you are on the mend and it wasn't something too serious.
Was wondering where you had been!
mallet 4/13/2014 2:44:58 PM Report

Flyhawk..

Yes, however therein lies the problem, increase the wages and then the employer is going to either raise prices to cover that increase or reduce the hours of those working, which in turn will reduce the number of people patronising the establishment, because of the lack of service or price of meals.. The very old saying holds true to this day, that every mans/womans wage increase is someones elses price increase. I know the arguements but I think that the minimum wage is meant as a "entry level" wage and meant to give the first time worker a reason to want to climb the ladder, that the ladder now has a few rungs missing is regretable, but the "spinning jenny" was supposed to kill off the worker, which it did, however they went onto other jobs in the industry at that time. This generation will have to learn from the past, but what that will be is beyond me...
Bobby Nerves 4/13/2014 3:02:54 PM Report


Sorry bounder, you are wrong.

You can pass a red light anytime, as long as you go into the intersection with green light, then you can wait and continue with red light and the opposite transit should respect your right of way.

Your answer doesn't exist, as when the red light is flashing is not technically a red light, but rather more like an amber with the full stop added to the operation of the vehicle.
flyhawk25 4/13/2014 3:03:36 PM Report

My point with McJobs is that all of the places will increase their prices to cover the cost and remain competitive.
I don't buy the theory that it will result in fewer hours because minimum wage is the same whether I make it or you do.
statusquo 4/13/2014 3:30:37 PM Report

For high volume , big outfits like a McDonald's restaurant a wage increase of three dollars per hour would not make such a big dent.
Let's say Jimmy gets a raise of three dollars per hour....and lets say he sells on average 4 burgers per hour, not counting fries or beverages. The business must make up the three dollars per hour or, on an 8 hour shift, 24 dollars. If you raise the price of the burger alone by 75 cents, the extra wage increase is covered.
Is this price increase not worth paying for? Jimmy makes a decent wage, buys more stuff and pays more taxes.
Jimmy will more than likely spend the money locally and not ship it off to a tax free bank account somewhere overseas.
For a mom and pop outfit that produces more labour intensive and low volume goods that equation won't cut it.
But for huge corporations it is doable. Look at the contrast between Costco and Walmart. Totally different culture .
In our zeal to demand cheaper and cheaper goods we shopped ourselves into a poorer society as a whole. Low costs at any price has consequences.
statusquo 4/13/2014 3:31:59 PM Report

steels....you sure?....c'mon!!! After a few drinks anything is possible baby!
flyhawk25 4/13/2014 3:34:53 PM Report

SQ...point well taken and my rationale to avoid a 'one size fits all solution'.
If corporations are far sighted they'd be on the lookout for unions organizing McJobs.
It is prime territory to be entered.
mallet 4/13/2014 3:38:36 PM Report


Flyhawk...


Price increase means fewer customers, mean less profit, less profit means less employees required, but to preserve level of service same number of staff but less hours for all. I do not track Mcjobs but I would imagine they do and will have a good idea when the busy periods are less busy are and staff accordingly, and the overlap will be where the hours disappear. If you have been to CTC lately you will see the self serve cashiers area is getting a pretty fair work out and before long there will be less checkout cash registers with the accompaning loss of human cashiers. I understand what you are saying regarding my min wage and yours being the same but as the grocery store price goes up that bites into my other disposalable income as well as the little extras that start to come off because I earn that much more. Same as when you take some money out of the RRSP or the amount from your RIF suddenly put you into that extra tax range, suddenly you have more money coming in but more going out...
flyhawk25 4/13/2014 3:52:22 PM Report

Obviously certain places do not equate to others.Hence the need for fine tuning.
The other concept I like is tying in creases to cost of living to give everyone cost certainty.
And I disagree that an increase will have a long term effect on fast food or Tim's.They have a market share that is loyal.
mallet 4/13/2014 3:54:51 PM Report

Status Quo..

I won't argue with your mathmatics, however macd stores are small individual places run by frachisees, so yes you are right in one sense, but not all macds are in the same position.. I do not know the details on what the costs of a Franchise is or the rent or what material costs are, but in most businesses Labour is the highest, raise that cost and it bites into what the bottom line is, if you have 10 employees working full time that 75cents translates into $15,ooo odd in tha course of a year. Now do you pass that on to the customer as a price increase, cut hours or absorb it from your profits (if any)..
bounder 4/13/2014 4:51:42 PM Report

Bobby N
you are wrong, you said go through not passing one at 90%, so don't worry an honest mistake,LMAO.
Bobby Nerves 4/13/2014 5:12:45 PM Report

Vous m'excuserez, je ne parle pas très bien anglais
bounder 4/13/2014 5:20:08 PM Report

Got to respect someone who admits fault in another language.
Ces't bien pour moi.
Bobby Nerves 4/13/2014 5:26:09 PM Report

The fact is that the code says a red is a no no. But that is the only exception without any other maneuver.
Further, that's the example waved in court about the code not to be 100% correct as the maneuver is not contemplated, but has been argued deeply in appeals where someone probably hit another vehicle going through a red.

Your response refers to a contemplated driving maneuver as per the Highway Traffic Act of Ontario.
flyhawk25 4/13/2014 6:09:46 PM Report

mallet...labor costs in the food industry range from 60-65% and that is the difference between success or failure.
bounder 4/13/2014 6:12:43 PM Report

Yup and there's no other out. You can go to court on anything, doesn't absolve you.
Argue all you want, if you got the money.
BIG BROTHER 4/13/2014 6:33:28 PM Report

I read a comment on another site that seems appropriate.

The 'Timmies' in Calgary pays more than $11.00/hour, yet charges the same for coffee as anywhere else. This is due to competition for workers. I would bet they are still earning a tidy profit.

Those who can afford to eat at Mickey Dees' should be paying a premium for the fine ambiance and cutlery, as should Timmies addicts.
Wicket 4/13/2014 6:39:35 PM Report

fifteen and sixteen year olds are making $16 to $18 per hour at fast food outlets in Fort MacMurry; supply and demand dictates the hourly wage. Most teenagers have no desire to work as the one parent is usually pulling in more than $200,000/year
bounder 4/13/2014 7:02:11 PM Report

And a house trailer cost 150,000 and up bread 6 or 7 bucks, smoke maybe 12 to 15 bucks.
Been there and it's expensive for everything.
Wicket 4/13/2014 7:17:45 PM Report

In order to survive there you need a trade and a job in the oilfields, have family working there - one for 8 yrs, one for 20; kids wear $300 jeans, all name brand clothing; one family lives in Alberta, the other in Southern Ontario. Two weeks of work, two weeks off, spouses do not work, they all enjoy the life style.
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