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View Room Comments for Tuesday, Apr. 8 2014

Tuesday, April 08, 2014   by: The Soap BoxWelcome to the SooToday.com View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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Just Curious 4/8/2014 2:50:11 AM Report

Damn, first one this morning, even beat you , Grump. Maybe now I can go to bed and sleep.
Just Curious 4/8/2014 2:56:39 AM Report

Starting to follow in your footsteps, spelly, can't sleep, had a few, might as well punch some keys..Gonna buy an Ebike in the spring, assuming we get one, and will make a trip to the island.. Will need a recharge to get back home but by the time I piss off half the island I'm sure some one will plug me in just to get rid of me...LOL...
Just Curious 4/8/2014 3:03:32 AM Report

Pardon my posts, people, just lost the last member of my family. He never wanted to see Captain Morgan sail alone so I am helping to send him on his way..

RIP, Ernie, my brother, Bon voyage...
Snobank 4/8/2014 3:16:33 AM Report

And JC, you try to get some rest also. I am so sorry to hear of your loss.
Grump 4/8/2014 5:59:25 AM Report

Good morning JC and everyone, another day of melting snow. Bobby that was a huge win in Quebec. Look for another huge Liberal win Federally and a smaller Liberal re-election in Ontario. With that we will see all the good things Harper promised ,but never delivered. Watch for Hudak to quietly fade into oblivion for being dumb enough to make charges against Wynne that he can't support. The Provincial Tories won't get pasted over a loose cannon like him. He kind of reminds me of someone on here, all B.S., nothing to back it. Have a great day everyone.
Mr. Poster 4/8/2014 6:44:48 AM Report

I tend to agree with grump about the Conservatives and Hudak. He has never warmed up to voters and never will. Voters are also mad at Horwath for propping up the Liberals. I think a lot of voters actually like Wynne PERSOANALLY and will feel she is the best PERSON to be premier...thus another minority LIBERAL government is in the offing.
Bobby Nerves 4/8/2014 7:34:37 AM Report

Good morning.

Yes Grump, big win, and with a big lesson. Mrs. Marois had a huge opportunity of adapting a way of politics to a modern era, but being a mean and divisive person with an evil cause, she lost it all.
The cause is still alive and well, but will need a new fire from within to gain the position once had.
In the end, about 30% of Quebeckers had spoken and they have a new government. Now is all in Liberals hands.
Charest wasn't a Liberal, but he had great charisma and made a great job for the Liberal cause.
The blue Tsunami is on and very soon will sweep all in its way!

Bobby Nerves 4/8/2014 7:59:55 AM Report

I'm of the same idea Mr. Poster, but may not necessarily be the best for Ontario if the newly elected premier cant gather all the political views towards a common objective.

What I'd like to see is a Liberal Alberta. And it'll only requires run the right candidate.

If the Liberals can afford Nenshi, he'll have the go ahead from the big oil magnates.
Wild Turkey 4/8/2014 8:05:00 AM Report

So a "paid consultant"informs the City that Millions will be needed in the future to maintain the city's assets.
I could have told them that for free.
Sounds like we are being set up for another property tax increase.
Bobby Nerves 4/8/2014 8:29:50 AM Report


David, wake up, it was in Quebec.
Not to worry, Cons are still in power!

What a nightmare man!
David Poluck 4/8/2014 9:04:08 AM Report

Good Morning...The PQ gambled and lost.

Bobby the vote last night just showed again that Quebec is part of Canada.
Bloc idealism just doesn't reflect the views of the voters.
Now comes the tough part. Will the promises made by the liberal leader happen or be just words.
irishfey 4/8/2014 9:05:04 AM Report

Good morning folks.. for some yes, but not for all i see. JUST CURIOUS.. I am so very sorry for the the loss of your Brother. It can be so hard to be the last one left of a family, it seems to make you feel like you are so alone, but i hope you know that you have friends in here that think of you as family as i know i do.. Please try and get some sleep as the past few days must have just about done you in. Snuggle your baby and know that you have friends in here that you can talk to and we will listen.... Prayers are going up for you... xo
Zing 4/8/2014 9:10:15 AM Report

Just Curious

My condolences to you and your entire family.
David Poluck 4/8/2014 9:31:20 AM Report

Something ratepayers should be concerned with..Millions needed to repair city buildings:consultants
By Elaine Della-Mattia, Sault Star

http://www.saultstar.com/2014/04/07/millions-needed-to-repair-city-buildingsconsultants

Bobby Nerves 4/8/2014 9:36:31 AM Report

Hard to risk an answer David.
The winner said that elections are behind and Quebec should look forward to what keep them united, then the olive branch is there, now all of them should achieve success.

I hope the politicians as a whole never run out of glue.

The lesson here is the invoice to be paid for being mean and divisive and how far we can reach when beating the dead horse.

flyhawk25 4/8/2014 9:52:12 AM Report

There's a lesson there for Harper.
Wild Turkey 4/8/2014 10:04:10 AM Report

Fly---I don't know that Mr. Harper is capable of learning any lessons.
The outcome of the Quebec election was good for all Canadians, in that those who care, don't have to worry about "Separation for a while.Unless theB.Q. is resurrected in the next election.It could actually bode poorly for the Fed. Liberals, if Quebequers vote opposite provincially to federally.
The Liberals need Quebec if they have any hope of forming a Gov't next time, and it will likely be a dog fight between the Dippers and the B.Q.
Albedo 4/8/2014 10:09:28 AM Report

Interesting how supporters of a political party will interpret an election.
A supporter of the Liberal party may make an assumption that the Quebec election is an indicator of how Canadians across the board feel about the Liberal party, both on a provincial and federal level.
Political pundits often completely miss why voters voted in a certain manner.
Quebec was an excellent example of this point.
Was the election really about embracing the Liberals as a party based on their platform or was the election more a rejection of the negativity of the Parti Quebecois' campaign, which used its controversial values charter as a wedge issue.
When an Ontario election is held the issues at hand shall be quite different than the issues faced by a Quebec voter.
The issues a voter is voting against can often be more important than what a political party actually stands for.
flyhawk25 4/8/2014 10:24:53 AM Report

Indeed.
The 'politics of division' is contrary to what I believe Canadians want. Certainly against what this one wants.
So if we can find a leader with a vision of all of Canada, from sea to sea, multi-cultural and bilingual who unites us rather than divides us I believe that leader will win.
mallet 4/8/2014 10:41:41 AM Report

Just Curious...

Condolances to you and your family on your loss..

Albedo 4/8/2014 10:43:30 AM Report

I believe that leader would win also.
However we are talking about politics are we not and on a level of reality.
Division is part of politics.
It is automatic simply by the existence of the three main parties that we have in Canada on both a provincial and federal level.
Three main parties, different platforms, ideologies, supporters.
This is the basic division of politics.
I would suggest that what Canadians want would vary from province to province and most certainly always rests on the economics at the time.
David Poluck 4/8/2014 10:43:40 AM Report

Bobby, I hope you are right.
mallet 4/8/2014 10:53:15 AM Report

Albedo and Flyhawk...

I do not know for sure, but someone slipped up real bad in calling an election in Quebec, somehow the pollsters were way off, or someone changed the numbers round... I know Quebec is a little different, but I think when you start to interfere with what people can wear and cannot wear, and then start on the issue of separation and referendums, you are standing on pretty shaky ground, politically. I have to admit that the Lady never turned my crank, the my way or the hiway attitude, just never seemed to go over very well, and the wealthy gentleman pushing for sovereignty, I think just about capped off a campaign that just did not focus on what people wanted to hear...
Y.B.P.C. 4/8/2014 11:06:50 AM Report

Why are the comments turned off on the AUC fraud story?

I seem to remember those people only working 8 months a year and only for about 20 hours a week, so the "over-worked" defense seems weak!
Albedo 4/8/2014 11:10:13 AM Report

Pollsters are like goalies are they not, you are either a hero or a bum.

Yes what happened in Quebec was once again a division in politics.
All political leaders use division and on a multitude of levels.
The most widely used platform of political division is taking place right now in Canada.
It has been used since early man decided with a club who went hunting, who ate the steak and who got the bone.
The division of classes.
undecided 4/8/2014 11:24:16 AM Report

Bobby Where did you get 30% It was 41%.
Depends who's math you use . Conservatives used the 40% math majority when Harper was elected
Spellchecker 4/8/2014 11:33:08 AM Report

Just Curious, if you get to Hilton Beach we'll be happy to charge your bike. We're not far below the hill.
Albedo 4/8/2014 11:34:49 AM Report

The math does not really matter does it.
Who got elected does.
Instead of searching for the perfect idealistic leader Canadians could serve themselves better by learning a bit about politics and showing up to vote.
Bit of a pet peeve of mine, how us Canadians so love to complain about our elected officials yet so few do something as simple as voting.
Voters that vote also have to ask themselves, what do I really know about the political party that I support.

Wisenheimer 4/8/2014 11:38:33 AM Report

The election results in Quebec means separtism and sea to sea bilingualism are both dead.
Quebec will have to pull it's own weight now that the leverage of splitting up the country is gone.
I'm assuming Fly is nominating Justin (I'm smarter, prettier and richer than you) Trudeau for the leader he refers to.
redranger 4/8/2014 11:44:49 AM Report

Y.B.P.C.
Probably the comments are turned off so fools like you can't comment. Cindy was a staff member, not a faculty member. She worked 8 hour, 5 day weeks like anyone at any other job. She had whatever holidays that 31 years of service provided, certainly not 4 months. Get your facts straight before you post publicly while you hide behind an alias.
Just Curious 4/8/2014 11:51:19 AM Report

Thank you all for the kind thoughts, friends, they are appreciated..

Spelly, just how far is Hilton beach? Never cared much when I was driving, it was just a nice ride. This Ebike I'm looking at has about a 80/100 k range with no hills so just getting there could be a real problem...:).
Albedo 4/8/2014 11:53:01 AM Report

Not sure how bilingualism and separatism can be quoted as both being dead as one is a reality.
I will certainly agree that the topic of separatism has been put on hold for many years if not decades to come.
I am sure that Prime Minister Harper is somewhat relieved that he does not have separatism on his already full plate for 2015.
Bilingualism is a bigger topic in some provinces than others, just head West.
I do believe I would be safe in stating that they don't give it much thought.
Hunter101 4/8/2014 12:17:21 PM Report

You know, I always hear the same echoes after there is some sort of shooting/murder in the U.S.

Have a look at this. Research from a completely non-partisan group:

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/

Keep in mind that all the while, the number of firearms in the U.S. has been increasing all along.

I dare someone to argue with this.
Pilgrim 4/8/2014 12:26:25 PM Report

This is a good article that IMHO touches on most of the mistakes that the PQ made during their campaign... not a long article..

http://tinyurl.com/mtx9huh

I know that many pundits will point to the Marois campaign as the biggest flop, but they are forgetting Adian Dix in BC ... he had it in the bag, so to speak, and after a couple gaffs, had his head handed to him on a platter.

Bobby Nerves 4/8/2014 12:29:23 PM Report

undecided, math is only one.

If you have 100 caws and four bulls and at the end of the day all caws are impregnated but in a second look you discover that two of the bulls are neutered.

What percentage of caws did each bull impregnated? 15, 33, 66, 99 or none of the above?
Bobby Nerves 4/8/2014 12:42:27 PM Report


Wadda deal, I just bought a Polex watch and a Canada Loose jacket for 100 dollars.

Online, and got 10% discount because I paid via Western Union.

Wadda deal men!
Spellchecker 4/8/2014 12:48:18 PM Report

JC, it's about 65 kilometres. On your way back the hill out of Hilton and the D Line hill could present problems. Also Laird Hill on Highway 17.
David Poluck 4/8/2014 12:57:23 PM Report

Just got off the phone with him. that my friend Dan Melanson is running for mayor.

http://www.thesudburystar.com/2014/04/07/melanson-running-for-mayor


Melanson, president of the Greater Sudbury Taxpayers Association, is resigning from the position effective Tuesday. During a morning press conference he'll announce he's running for the city's top job.

The GSTA Monday issued a media advisory about the press conference.

“I won't be commenting on what the press conference is about,” Melanson said when contacted Monday. “You'll have to be there (Tuesday) to find out, like everyone else.”

Melanson was a key figure in running Mayor Marianne Matichuk's campaign in 2010. It mainly consisted of promises to eliminate restricted store hours, make Greater Sudbury open for business and go line-by-line over the city's budget.

She's had little success getting council to support most of her proposed policies, which included a recall bylaw and salary freeze for all of council.

He may not be talking now, but last month Melanson said he was disappointed with Matichuk's term as mayor.
Bobby Nerves 4/8/2014 12:57:51 PM Report

Spellchecker, I hope you didn't let the opportunity pass by.

Yesterday, I invested all my savings in conservative members and I'm doubling the money today, they scarce and hard to find, couldn't see one, even my three cons neighbors are playing dead, washing the car.

If you're interested, I have some left over here.
irishfey 4/8/2014 1:02:33 PM Report

Re.. " What percentage of the "caws" did each bull impregnate?".. None!!! Bulls impregnate " COWS!... Must have been a "pervert" in the field trying to impersonate a Bull and got the " caws" and cows mixed up!....
Crusty 4/8/2014 1:03:17 PM Report

...since we can't respond to the article on Jacobs ...

Although Orazietti did not mention restitution during his submission, he did stress the impact the loss of Jacob’s 30-plus years of employment at AU was having on her family who were struggling to pay monthly bills.

- Struggling to pay bills because of her gambling addiction you mean. 390K would take care of my bills and some.

Orazietti also pointed out weaknesses in the prosecution’s comparison to the Pountney sentencing.

He said that unlike Savoy’s Jewellers, a small family-run business, there was no concrete evidence that the actions of his client had hurt the reputation of Algoma University whose enrolment continues to grow.

- She stole 391K dollars …over an extended period of time … how does that not hurt Algoma U ?

Orazietti said Jacobs was under enormous stress and a heavy workload in her job as student accounts officer at AU, and her university managers were “insensitive” to her situation at the time of the fraud.
He also suggested that she was not in a position of fiduciary trust in her job, and had she been given more support, the events that unfolded may have been avoidable.
“They abandoned her when she was in difficulty, and now they are placing the blame on Ms. Jacobs.”

- they abandoned her when she stole 391,000 dollers

Orazietti described the events surrounding Jacobs' crime as a “tragic situation”.
Mounting job stress that was going ignored by her supervisors, family pressures, and her then unidentified gambling addiction had created what Orazietti said was a recipe for a “perfect storm”.
He said Jacobs' gambling represented “a temporary high” to relieve the burdens she was facing at work and home.

- so it’s ok, when you have a union job with excellent benefits and job security to steal 391,000 from that institution because you’re a bit over worked.
- All those that feel sorry for her, raise your hand.

As for a jail term representing a deterrent to anyone else in similar circumstances, Orazietti said, “This does not send a message to anybody.”

- it sends a message to everybody. If you want to piss your sweet union protected, stable income into the wind at a US run Casino fine. When you want to steal more then a quarter of a million taxpayer dollars and spend it there … enjoy cell block H for 18 months and kick your so called addiction.


Spellchecker 4/8/2014 1:05:07 PM Report

Hi Crusty, it's been a long time. Nice to "see" you again.
Brietsy 4/8/2014 1:12:55 PM Report

I kinda agree with crusty on this one... as a small business owner, if someone stole $100, they'd be out, and I'd be demanding it back. but the amount she stole... she was also in a position of trust there. she had access to quite a bit of private information. I would want jail time.
Mr. Poster 4/8/2014 1:12:58 PM Report

DAVID P....who cares about a SUDBURY election ? What is your point in your posting ????
mallet 4/8/2014 1:26:40 PM Report


Crusty and Brietsy

I don't really comment on individual cases, I just want to know why it has taken over a year and a half to get to this point. Why are thieves, drunk drivers whatever still out on the street years after they were first caught, why do the stars (judge,prosecution, defence) all have to align. This is the main problem with the justice system, it is not shown to work, how many people can remember what they did a year, two years ago?? As we do not have capital punishment there is no need for the time taken, nobody is going to be hanged, at the worst they will lose their freedom for a few weeks, until the case is appealed, if the system worked as it should, you do the crime you do the time.
David Poluck 4/8/2014 1:35:52 PM Report

Mr Poster...why do we care about what happens in Ottawa or Quebec?

News is news!
Brietsy 4/8/2014 1:43:49 PM Report

mallet, it is fundamentally wrong to send an innocent person to jail. That is why we are so bloody careful about this. This is why a court case can take months, or even years. I agree that there should be a penalty to any legal professional (ie. lawyers, both sides) if they miss a date without sending advance warning.

If it's the lawyers fault, contempt of court is a lovely charge, that can be used pretty liberally. but if it is because of a legitimate reason, then let the courts take their time.
Number One Son 4/8/2014 2:13:51 PM Report

What a lame defense by Orazietti. She should get a jail sentence. She was going to do it until she was caught. if it smells like crap, and tastes like crap, and looks like crap, .... it is crap. See you in 18 months.
mallet 4/8/2014 2:16:57 PM Report


Brietsy..

I agree to a point, but in the present case you have a lawyer arguing that jail is not the way because of an addiction, okay then a drunk is addicted to alcohol, a drug addict is addicted to some type of drug, following that line of reasoning no-one is guilty of anything because of their addiction and it does not take that long from the charges being laid to the trial to the sentence. Not that I have a lot of sympathy for the family however had this been dealt with promptly the offender would have in all probability have served the sentence and been released, and I do not know if legal aid is involved but the taxpayer would not be on the hook for thousands of dollars for legal bills, and other cases could have been disposed of because of the delays in bringing this one to a conclusion. The delays in coming to trial is the way the lawyers make money both from the defendent and the court system, and as for contempt aspect, have your ever heard of it happening locally...

Mr. Poster 4/8/2014 2:23:42 PM Report

Would a name other than Jacobs make a difference in how this case is handled and resolved ??
Albedo 4/8/2014 2:26:39 PM Report

I would like to ask Bob Mihell, author of the news article, what purpose is served by making the following statement:

"Among those in attendance at Monday's sentencing hearing was her son, Brad Jacobs, skip of Canada’s Olympic gold medal winning curling team."


mallet 4/8/2014 2:27:27 PM Report

Mr Poster..

To me. not in the slightest.
Mr. Poster 4/8/2014 2:28:45 PM Report

mallet...I hope you are correct.
Brietsy 4/8/2014 2:33:55 PM Report

I'ts a defence lawyer's job to find BS reasons for their client to not go to jail. Anything'll go. it's why people accused of crimes hire them. and occasionally, it'll work too.
Grump 4/8/2014 2:47:07 PM Report

Good afternoon everyone, I'm just back in time to read "Letter wants probe of Tories ties to ethical oil". Hell it's only one more election over spending courtesy of Harper. They certainly had all the crooked stuff well mapped out. It's unfortunate that all his misdeeds are hatching at the same time. Tories working for the government, then ethical oil, back to the government, back to ethical oil. Of course there is no collusion here , P.M. Harper says so.
Wisenheimer 4/8/2014 3:04:16 PM Report

A cross between a bull and a "caw" would be a "crow".
No wonder crows caw, during mating season.
mallet 4/8/2014 3:14:05 PM Report


Grump..

Ah Yes, Greenpeace, Mmmm they would never do anything that was not legitimate now would they... They would never take contributions from the people involved in the various "green movements" noo of course not.. Boy oh boy didn't you just pay $250 a plate to fund the Liberal party, but if people give money/contributions to Ethical Oil thats wrong.. now whose got the double standard, are not Greenpeace a lobby group also, bolstering their own agenda... I won't add the bit about the other Group... I suppose in your world tit for tat is fair too.
Wisenheimer 4/8/2014 3:20:00 PM Report

Breaking News ... IMF upgrades Canada's growth prospects for 2014 and 2015.
Bases projections on increased exports to a recovering U.S. customers.
Good news for the Conservatives.
Not so good for Harper haters.
(who will pipe in presently with a flurry of "furrys".)
Just Curious 4/8/2014 3:22:09 PM Report

Spelly; It's funny but you don't notice hills or distances when you are in a car and powering down the road.. Been driving since I was 14 and never cared much about that sort of stuff but now I will have to take that into account every trip I go on.. Mind you, I am getting a very small gen-set that I can carry on the back and recharge at any time when I plan on longer trips. It would only require a 20 minute stop for the dog to run a bit and the battery would be good to go again for another 100k.. I hope to spend a month at Ojibway again this summer. It will be different to stay because I want to, not because I have too..:)
notpc 4/8/2014 4:00:40 PM Report

I have to agree as well with those who believe that Jacobs should receive pretty much the same sentence that Yvonne Pountney received.

The defense attorney is just doing his job here, but his arguments for special mitigating circumstances for Jacobs are nonsense in my opinion. Whether or not Algoma U's reputation was hurt the same as Savoy's is irrelevant. It's like saying that if you rob a big bank you should get off easier than if you rob a corner store.

His argument of saying that Algoma U's managers were insensitive to the pressures Jacobs was feeling is a classic case of deflecting blame onto the victim. Like blaming a rape victim for not understanding the needs of her rapist. Pure nonsense.

As for jail time not sending a message to anybody, I'd say that NOT getting jail time will certainly send a message to everyone. Just plead stress when you commit a crime against a big victim, and then blame the victim. You'll be home free in no time.
Snobank 4/8/2014 4:30:48 PM Report

This is a tad longer than things I usually post. The well known (to me anyway) author, Norman Spinrad, has just released this point of view to the public and encouraged reposting. I found it very interesting:



Norman Spinrad
69 West 9th Street, Apt.4B
New York, NY 10011 about 850 words
212-777-7537
normanspinrad@hotmail.com

YOU’RE VLADIMIR PUTIN
by Norman Spinrad

You’re Vladimir Putin, and you don’t understand why the so-called “West” finds you so hard to understand. Perhaps because the United States and the European Union are so blinded by their ideology that they genuinely can’t even see that they have one?

But it is glaringly obvious from inside the Kremlin looking out. Their leadership and their press proclaim that their globalized transnational banking dominant brand of market economy is no ideology but the triumphant “end of history,” as their pundit Fukuyama so grandiosely put it before their “Great Recession” and their current so-called “New Normal,” with its massive national governmental debts, massive unemployment, downward pressure on wages, and grotesque levels of income and wealth inequality rendered such ideological breast-beating pathetically ridiculous.

You’re Vladimir Putin, and since you were a product of the Soviet Union’s Communist ideology, you can certainly recognize a failed ideology when you see one! Just because Communism failed it doesn’t meant that predatory globalized transnational capitalism is in the process of succeeding. In Greece, for horrible example, in Spain, in Ireland, indeed in the European Union as a whole or for that matter in the holier-than-thou United States.

You’re Vladimir Putin, a former KGB professional, and therefore a pragmatic realist who doesn’t make decisions on the basis of any ideology at all. You’re the thrice-elected President of the Russian Federation, and your job is to defend, protect, and enhance the national self-interest of the Russian State and the Russian people, period.

And the Russian people have been betrayed, and welched on ever since the collapse of the Soviet Union, which is why you have famously declared that collapse the greatest catastrophe of the 20th Century. For the Soviet Union was a transnational state with complex levels of internal autonomy, a true federation bound together by bonds of mutual economic self-interest, not narrow tribal chauvinisms. When Gorbachev announced that he would “deprive the west of an enemy” and acceded to the reunification of Germany within NATO, the deal was supposed to be that NATO and the European Union would not move west into Russia’s near abroad. But they did just that, into the Baltic States, into Poland, into the Slavic Balkans, and now they would swallow Ukraine.

You’re Vladimir Putin, you’ve reclaimed the Crimea virtually without firing a shot, and you’ve massed Russian forces near the eastern borders of Ukraine. But you have no intention of invading. For the last thing you want is to annex Ukraine or the Eastern part of it into the Russian Federation by military force or any other means.

You’ have a much grander goal--a Eurasian Union, stretching from Kaliningrad and the western border of Russia east across vast Siberia to Vladivostok and the Bering Straight, from north of the Arctic Circle to the Caucasus and the border of China. Not an expanded Russian Federation per se, but a transnational confederation something like the European Union, with Russia as its senior member as Germany dominates the EU only more so.

This dream has been belittled as a “Soviet Union Lite.” And in truth it would be something like the Soviet Union without the Communist ideology. Not ideologically based at all but a multicultural civilization vaster than Europe, with a customs union, common currency, economic integration, but not a national state.

For all of its history, Russia has vacillated between looking west to Europe or east across Siberian to the Pacific. You’re Vladimir Putin and you say it should do both. You’re Vladimir Putin and you dream of of your place in history as the creator of this Eurasian Union.

And an independent sovereign Ukraine with a government you can deal with is the key. For the core around which the Eurasian Union has to be built, is the very same core whose disintegration doomed the Soviet Union--Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Ukraine. Alone, these four states, would already be the core of a Eurasian Union. But if the globalized American dominated west swallows Ukraine it can never be.

You’re Vladimir Putin and you cannot allow Ukraine to join either NATO or the European Union. And you won’t. The military force you have assembled on its eastern borders is the stick. But once there is a Ukrainian government you can deal with, you have an even mightier carrot to wield.

Let the European Union and its Troika strong-arm banking enforcers lay their severe economic demands on the table so that all the Ukrainian people understand that their “austerity”will mean poverty and hardship in the service of their “fiscal responsibility.”

And then you offer your alternative. If Ukraine joins the Eurasian Union, Russia will not merely lend it the money to carry its debt in return for austerity. It will wipe out the debt entire by purchasing the Crimea from Ukraine. You’re Vladimir Putin. With the stakes this high you can afford to do it.

You’re Vladimir Putin, formerly of the KGB. You’re Vladimir Putin, and if you’ve learned nothing else there, you’ve learned how to make an offer that can’t be refused.

end

Posted Yesterday by Norman Spinrad

notpc 4/8/2014 4:33:02 PM Report

Grump

Your reference to Greenpeace's complaint to Elections Canada is interesting in that it highlights the hypocrisy of Greenpeace once again. Greenpeace receives over $400M per year in donations from all over the world, including from foreign organizations opposed to Canadian oil development. Their members make a habit of breaking laws such as trespassing, vandalism, endangering lives on the high seas, etc. Their charitable status in Canada was revoked years ago. They do involve themselves in elections in Canada and they do accept corporate donations. They deny the corporate donations but their financial filings show otherwise.

Ethical oil is a much smaller organization, a non-profit NGO. It receives no foreign donations, nor does it give money to any political party. It doesn't have charitable status because it admits that it is all about politics, unlike Greenpeace that tried to say it should have charitable status.

Ethical oil has been a real thorn in the side of foreign funded groups like Greenpeace, by revealing what they are really like. Greenpeace doesn't like being exposed so it is striking back by seeking to link Tory policies to Ethical Oil's talking points. Kind of like linking President Obama's policies to Greenpeace talking points.
Grump 4/8/2014 4:37:11 PM Report

Mallet knock off all the B.S. that they did this and the others did that. Ethical Oil can accept donations from Corporation and individuals. Political parties can not accept Corporate donation. Now Harper staffers work for Harper and then they go to work for ethical oil and back and forth. Then ethical oil run ads mirroring the Tory ads. Then their talking points become the same because they are doing the same work. Now chum if you don't get what is wrong with this you are beyond help. I normally don't give a rat's butt what they do with their donations but when they are illegally funding Tory ads after all the other crap Harper and crew pulled and are still pulling , that is just one time too many.
lookaround 4/8/2014 4:43:00 PM Report

Remember Grump the conservatives grass always seems greener because they fertilize with bull$_it and some are gullible enough to believe it.
Grump 4/8/2014 4:56:29 PM Report

Not PC I am certainly not defending Greenpeace or any other Organization but I need more than Harper issuing a statement denying any truth to it. I actually might were it not for the in and out scheme, robo calls and his trying to shut down Elections Canada or completely neutering it. It appears he may well be at it again and it matters not to me, friend or foe who exposes it.
I'm In 4/8/2014 5:22:09 PM Report

Albedo your right on, there was no need to mention Brad Jacobs name in the article it is defaming to him, if I was Brad Jacobs, I'd be suing SOOTODAY for defamation because he did not know what his mother was doing.
Albedo 4/8/2014 5:29:32 PM Report

I am not sure about who could sue whom as I don't know who the author of the news article works for.
Are they within their legal guidelines?
Most in the business of journalism know how far the elastic can be stretched before it breaks.
The point is it was slimy news reporting and I hope at some point somebody that knows this person (the author) points it out.
mallet 4/8/2014 5:32:21 PM Report

Grump...

Either you did not read to the end of that article or as soon as the Government and Mr Harper were mentioned, you went into your normal Harper Hating Mode. If you had read to the bottom of the artical it also said and I quote,
"Ethical Oil has complaints of its own about the enviromental movement. It has asked the C R A to investigate the David Suzuki Foundation and other green groups for engaging in partisan activity".
Now I think we have agreed that we differ in out political outlook and in 15 months or so we shall see who is in the right and the Canadian general public thinks they have been treated within reason or not.. Whether the "robo calls, self annointing ads interference in other countries and giving away to foreign countries our hard earned tax dollars" is a matter of total concern to the whole country will be seen for what it is, and the Harper government will be returned or defeated..
However until then, can you not give it a rest, or how about changing from Grump to Harpy, plus your fascination with furry rats butts... are your really a G or are you Juan!!! lol
Albedo 4/8/2014 5:49:15 PM Report

One of the reasons why I decided to start posting on this site after reading for a period of time is my interest of how politics, politicians and the media can shape a persons thoughts and perceptions.
Again the division of politics.

We have a poster, Grump, that states that he requires more than Prime Minster Harper making a statement in order for him (Grump) to believe.
At the same time he (Grump) lists several political events that thus far remain unproven, alleged, as his basis for not believing.

Fascinating.
right wing 4/8/2014 6:35:56 PM Report

Ha!
If you're here to do a "head case" study you found the perfect group for it.

Still have not heard anything on the lunch news...did I miss something.
Last I heard it was supposed to be Wed. and the fly was making "reso's"...I will be East in the morning but I might risk a speeding ticket to get back depending on who has confirmed attendance...looking for that special someone.

;)



BIG BROTHER 4/8/2014 6:42:02 PM Report

Albe,
Robo calls....proven
Senate payoff (he gave the OK for the initial offer).....proven
Elections Canada reform......proven
Shutting Down Veteran Affairs Offices ....proven

right wing 4/8/2014 6:44:57 PM Report

Grump

See you still have a fascination with rat butts...

Greenpeace...the organization that is 2nd in line (next to the IPCC) on scandals.

...and David Suzuki got his "charity" status kicked on down the road when it was proven that he is nothing but politically motivated....sharing an island with an oil company no less.
Oh well, you know the libs...lie and steal, then claim environmentally conscious when caught.


BIG BROTHER 4/8/2014 6:45:03 PM Report

BTW,
Don't shoot the messenger. Mihell is answering the question everyone has been asking each other. Libel is lies, like Hudak's accusations towards Wynne.
gcubed 4/8/2014 6:49:05 PM Report

RW, I hope you can make it! I thought I was going because I didn't want you to be the only Conservative there. I've had the experience a few times already. I shall also remark to you that even Grump can be reasonably sociable, and I had no truly bad experiences, other than loneliness. That's one of the reasons I usually have my bride of almost 634 months with me! [lol]
realitycheck 4/8/2014 6:51:20 PM Report

It was probably out of respect that none of the news media made the connection between Cynthia and Brad Jacobs before, even though it was well known. SooToday obviously decided to take the plunge and report it, as would be the case in most major centres where news outlets look at celebrity connections as well as the crime. Do I agree in this case? No. It was enough that it was on the gossip circuit. The young man did not have to be brought into it on this site.
Albedo 4/8/2014 6:57:28 PM Report

realitycheck

Completely agree with you.
Although Big Bro seems to allude that it was all good cause there is some question that everybody has been asking...whatever the hell that is.
I wish the loud mouth would just state what the supposed question is.

The statement that was made served ZERO purpose...and this is not Hollywood.
right wing 4/8/2014 6:59:31 PM Report

gcubed

I will try my best but as I had stated earlier it depends on my work schedule.

irishfey 4/8/2014 7:01:00 PM Report

Grump... Did you see the post from Bobby in the Red Room??????... SO, now you are a lier?!!!! Geee.... Good night!!
right wing 4/8/2014 7:01:27 PM Report

...and I still don't know where the lunch is.
right wing 4/8/2014 7:11:45 PM Report

irishfey

...you leave the boys alone now.
Bobby Nerves 4/8/2014 7:23:03 PM Report

Here you have a sample of choice:

They could've said:

Justin Trudeau applauds the Liberals winning in Quebec,

instead the news title is:


Justin Trudeau applauds Quebec's rejection of Parti Québécois.

He priced quebecers for rejecting the politics of division and negativity.
Wicket 4/8/2014 7:26:39 PM Report

right wing - Country Club - 12 noon, it was posted...
right wing 4/8/2014 7:31:55 PM Report

Thanks Wicket.
I guess I missed that...
Since you seem to be in the know...do you also know who has confirmed as attending.
mallet 4/8/2014 7:35:30 PM Report


Shakespeare...

Oh Dear... Leicester got thumped 4 one by Brighton today.. Brighton did the double won at home and away to leicester, first loss for 22 matches... hope they don't do that in the preier divn next season ...
irishfey 4/8/2014 8:14:47 PM Report

Rightwing... ok,, i"m done :).... Grump.. I didn" meant to come out with " lier"",,, Just don"t know why you felt the need to " lie".. sounds better...
right wing 4/8/2014 8:18:53 PM Report

irishfey

...an Irish women is never "done".

;)
irishfey 4/8/2014 8:23:51 PM Report

Rightwing... Done for today :):)... Night cupcake ,lol,lol
Wicket 4/8/2014 8:26:47 PM Report

right wing - the people you want to meet, I think...
redranger 4/8/2014 8:27:58 PM Report

at least not "well done"
flyhawk25 4/8/2014 8:32:34 PM Report

rw...glad that G3 explained things to you.
As far as I know - Grump, G3 and his bride,Wicket and her husband, me and Dick Cheney will be there.
I'm trying to find a balance of all sides but things are a little lean on the starboard so Grump and I will cloak ourselves in the truth.
Hope that you can attend.The soup is lovely, the ambiance great and the company sterling.
This is not a Summit.There are plans for that in June to celebrate the Skipper.
statusquo 4/8/2014 8:39:23 PM Report

I cannot stand "douchebags" and I can't stand them even less when they cry!
I just watched Oscar Pestorius (The Bladerunner) crying on the stand .

Let's look of what he did...shall we?

He wakes up in the middle of the night.
His girlfriend is not in bed next to him. He hears noises emanating from the bathroom...well...what to do?
Knock on the bathroom door ? No.....the best thing to do in a situation like that is just to grab your pistol and fire four rounds through the door...then and only then you open the door and check. Sounds logical to me...

And now this idiot is crying in court!
mallet 4/8/2014 9:09:45 PM Report


Status Quo.

He is only crying because no-one believes him. he has told a good story and it rings like the Liberty Bell... cracked... I have no idea how lawyers can stand up in a court and spew that garbage as an excuse for shooting someone.. I have to assume there is also a School of Dramatic Art in South Africa, which he attended, maybe he is hoping for an Oscar for the performance he is giving!!!
statusquo 4/8/2014 9:32:27 PM Report

mallet,

I don't think his grief is fake. But he has some serious mental and anger management issues.
This is a man child , not grown up mentally with a highly volatile pathology.
To shoot a weapon through a door and not knowing who's behind it is insane!
If he knew, and the killing was deliberate then he is not only insane but an idiot to boot.
He took a young life for nothing!
It is a very sad story.
Bobby Nerves 4/8/2014 9:35:39 PM Report

Status. Steroids.
mallet 4/8/2014 9:50:46 PM Report


Status Quo..

I would be grief stricken and crying too if I had to spend a long time in a South African Jail, much different country and I am not sure but I am fairly sure they do not have the same comforts our Federal Prisions do. That is of course if he is found guilty.. They recently deport from the UK a person wanted in connection with the murder of his wife, on their honeymoon in S A, due to his mental state he is being held in a nut house to put it bluntly because he could not face their ordinary jails. Sorry cannot spell psychiatric hospital...
Wisenheimer 4/8/2014 9:55:07 PM Report

Grump. Nuts.
Wisenheimer 4/8/2014 10:01:16 PM Report

Spelly ... Is it a flurry of "furries" or flurry of "furrys" ? In regards to more than one "furry rat's asses".
statusquo 4/8/2014 10:02:35 PM Report

Bobby,

Yes. Steroids are certainly a possibility. Look at the violent outbursts of football players. All athletes of that caliber are taking some sort of drugs. Some get caught and some don't .
Most notable example is Lance Armstrong. In cycling there is not ONE top finisher that does not do some sort of doping. NONE! Even our very own Canadian Giro D'Italia winner,Ryder Hesjedal did it. Lance did it for too long and he got caught.
statusquo 4/8/2014 10:05:38 PM Report

Wisen,

Isn't it past your bedtime?
If mommy finds out your light is still on you're getting a spanky-spanks .
statusquo 4/8/2014 10:25:29 PM Report

Speaking of steroids...

Mayor Rob Ford has disgraced Canadian sprinter Ben Johnson helping him run his re-election campaign!

When will this end? I hope it never will...it's too much fun to watch and I don't live and never will live in Toronto!
debo 4/8/2014 10:31:47 PM Report

Ah wise one, still trolling! Well, at least you are showing some sense and consulting with the Spellerman. He might even be able to help you. You shouldn't be so obsessive as regards Grump's spelling/vocabulary until you've improved your own.
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