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View Room Comments for Thursday, Apr. 3 2014

Thursday, April 03, 2014   by: The View RoomWelcome to the SooToday.com View Room. This editorial feature is for you to post comments. To comment on a specific news story please post your comment directly under the news story.
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David Poluck 4/3/2014 6:13:19 AM Report

Hey!!! It's Thursday!
Forecast is for sunshine and plus 3.
Good times!


Grump 4/3/2014 6:36:32 AM Report

Good morning David and everyone, good news about the weather. If you want a good read see the article about Sheila Fraser in today's news. Harper called her the Mother of all accountants when she was after Chretien over the Sponsorship Scandal. Now she is after Harper for his attack on democracy with his Fair Elections Bill. It's too bad that the Swampers can't read and comprehend. That said maybe they are just sad twisted crap like their fearless leader. Have a great day all, even you morons. LMAO.
bounder 4/3/2014 7:02:27 AM Report

Good day, another awe inspiring post by the irrefutable Grump, guess he massed us.Sorry meant missed us.
Bobby Nerves 4/3/2014 7:46:25 AM Report

Good morning all.

Great day slowly growing from the East.
Wisenheimer 4/3/2014 7:50:01 AM Report

" I loves dem french fried taters ... h'mmm."
Bobby Nerves 4/3/2014 7:58:39 AM Report

Grump, you'd stop tizzle a pizzle in the swamp this early, you're upsetting the swampers cheesoos chrizzle.
Eagles Fan. 4/3/2014 8:15:12 AM Report

was anyone else aware of the Olympic Celebration happening tonight for our local Olympians??

I have not read or heard anything about this anywhere, but by chance I was just on the Essar Website and noticed it is on for tonight
Just Curious 4/3/2014 8:22:11 AM Report

Eagles fan; Go to local news and click on more news... It's at the bottom of the page....But you're right, there hasn't been much promotion of it....
Wisenheimer 4/3/2014 8:38:08 AM Report

News item ... "Canada ranks 1st in G8, in terms of social and enviromental progress, a new global index reveals".
The index was devised by a team from Harvard University.
On hearing this Grump offered ... "yubba, dubba, doo, Harper, you fat, stupid, loser, poo poo breath, cat loving moron", as part of his morning contribution.
undecided 4/3/2014 8:49:48 AM Report

pls supply a link to this article about the G7
right wing 4/3/2014 8:54:25 AM Report

Lobster found in Ontario parking lot dies

The Canadian Press at 08:31 on April 03, 2014, EDT.

ST. CATHARINES, Ont. - An Ontario humane society says a lobster found abandoned in a box in a restaurant parking lot has died.

The Lincoln County Humane Society in St. Catharines sent out a tweet this morning saying the crustacean — dubbed Mickey the Lobster — died overnight.

The lobster's predicament became national news after it was discovered Wednesday in the parking lot in the southern Ontario community.

The humane society's executive director Kevin Strooband had said the restaurant doesn't serve lobster and it was suspected the crustacean was left there as an April Fool's Day prank.

The animal shelter had been making plans to send the lobster back to the Maritimes where it probably came from.

But today those hopes are dashed, although the humane society said on Twitter that it had received three offers to get Mickey home.

"Sad news, Mickey the Lobster has died, he died in peace and quiet over night, but had 3 offers to fly out east. Thanks for the well wishes," the tweet said.

"News" releases such as this serve to confirm my belief that there is a segment of society that is really F*cked in the head.
Pass by the homeless person in a box but lets fly Mickey the Lobster back home.....

*shaking head & rolling eyes*
undecided 4/3/2014 8:54:55 AM Report

Sheila Fraser is now a paid schrill for the Liberal Party, not an accounting genius anymore.
right wing 4/3/2014 9:00:12 AM Report

Liberals just love re-inventing themselves don't they.
EricThe SHERIFF 4/3/2014 9:04:01 AM Report

Undecided,

Here's your link

http://www.sootoday.com/content/news/details.asp?c=70907
Just Curious 4/3/2014 9:42:40 AM Report

rw; was sitting here earlier thinking that exact same thing..:(.
Nunavut 4/3/2014 10:27:02 AM Report

yep humane society is quick to come to the rescue of a crustacean with a miniscule brain and nervous system ......but when a millions of 3 lb animals with well developed brains and nervous systems are chopped into pieces and aborted by humans, it is seen as a "womens right to chose"...yep humane alright ! Crustaceans have more rights than babies.
right wing 4/3/2014 10:31:28 AM Report

Nunavut

So a Liberal could be saved from themselves by the Humane Society....

;)
Grump 4/3/2014 10:49:40 AM Report

Hey Bounder how is the sale of memberships going? Don't use the excuse that you are too busy installing Mopar parts on your Toyota. Just another big mouth B.S.er. Better go back to quack ,quack, quacking.
Grump 4/3/2014 10:52:34 AM Report

undecided, Could you please explain your comment that Sheila Fraser is working for the Liberals? That seems to me to be just about the dumbest comment I have read on here and there have been some beauties.
Just Curious 4/3/2014 10:53:14 AM Report

Mickey the lobster just made the news on the CTV news network...Christ-on-a-crutch, all this crap and tender feelings for something that gets thrown alive and squealing into a pot of boiling on a regular basis a thousand times a day. Our priorities are sure screwed up in his world today...:(.
Grump 4/3/2014 10:58:37 AM Report

Now maybe you Harper supporters can explain him being all over the world giving away borrowed money to promote democracy. While at the same time trying to take it away from Canadians. You so called PCs really are a bunch of morons for sitting still for this. Better go back to your colouring books.
right wing 4/3/2014 11:01:30 AM Report

"That seems to me to be just about the dumbest comment I have read on here and there have been some beauties."

Grump

So I can conclude then that you don't proof read your own posts?
redranger 4/3/2014 11:03:35 AM Report

RW
you posted "a Liberal could be saved from themselves " . There is a lack of pronoun agreement there. It should be himself or herself unless the person has a split personality. Oh darn;just can't help being a teacher...and this was a teachable moment.
bounder 4/3/2014 11:08:45 AM Report

How's the massed potatoes taste, along with the anti pasta, I'd rather be doing something wrong than acting like the fool that you are.
Pretty close to lunch, tummy grumbling yet.
right wing 4/3/2014 11:09:32 AM Report

J.C.

That's your misguided hippie PETA wacko nut jobs at work.
They belong in the same box as your over the top enviro-wacko's that chain themselves to a tree.
What is disturbing is that the Humane Society was going to get Mickey back home??????
At what cost.
This is an organization that relies heavily on charitable donations.
Donations that I am sure most donators hope is wisely spent.
Intending to spend it on a lobster that, as you pointed out, is boiled on a daily basis, in order to get it "home" is as wacko as it gets.

right wing 4/3/2014 11:11:48 AM Report

redranger

Correct you are but.....
I did consider the himself and herself but intentionally used themselves because as you pointed out...."unless the person has a split personality" and we are talking liberals here.

;)
Grump 4/3/2014 11:17:19 AM Report

Bounder I would rather seem foolish that be a total big mouth B.S.er like you. You put out stupid statements with no support and now don't want to talk about them. Come on Bounder how many have you sold so far? Sorry rw your comment rates up there with some of the dumbest but undecided's post about Sheila Fraser being a Liberal schill took first prize. Don't be discouraged, with your record you'll hit first spot too.
right wing 4/3/2014 11:18:51 AM Report

Grump

A fellow that enjoys anti pasta and massed potatoes and veggies can hardly diss somebody else for a mistaken Mopar remark.

On another note Grump, since your hero Justin can't answer the question...what is your definition of middle class.
Do you live off of investments, smart savings or a portfolio or "cheque to cheque as J.T. defines it.
right wing 4/3/2014 11:24:23 AM Report

"Bounder I would rather seem foolish that be a total big mouth B.S.er like you"

?????

....this from a guy that is talking about others taking first prize for the dumbest post(s).

Priceless!
Hunter101 4/3/2014 11:26:37 AM Report

Grump stashes his wampum in his cave.
Big Bad Bob 4/3/2014 11:32:03 AM Report

The middle class is always a firm champion of equality when it concerns a class above it; but it is its inveterate foe when it comes to elevating a class below it.
George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
Grump 4/3/2014 11:33:50 AM Report

Lord, Lord you cretins are all riled up this morning. Keep this up and I might begin to feel bad about calling you what I see. Maybe in a month or two. LMAO
Grump 4/3/2014 11:38:45 AM Report

Big Bad Bob, Was he referring to financial or social? That said this site is living proof that one does not necessarily follow the other.
Grump 4/3/2014 11:38:45 AM Report

Big Bad Bob, Was he referring to financial or social? That said this site is living proof that one does not necessarily follow the other.
notpc 4/3/2014 11:39:28 AM Report

Sheila Fraser may have some valid points concerning the impact of the Election Act on what the Election Commissioner can or cannot do, but her concerns about disenfranchising voters is misguided.

Many have expressed concern that changing the vouching system where people can now vouch for people who don't bring ID to the polling station, will prevent large numbers of people such as aboriginals and students from voting. But when one look at the actual list of about 40 types of ID that are currently acceptable, one realizes that this concern is not valid. Not only are the usual forms of ID acceptable such as drivers licence, SIN card, birth certificate, and health card, but many others such as a Student ID card, liquor ID card, library card, Indian Status card, credit or debit card, fishing, hunting or trapping licence, CNIB card, even a bracelet from a long-term care facility. Who in this country doesn't have any of these?

There may be some flaws in the Election Act, but disenfranchising potential voters isn't one of them. Saying it is, is simply playing politics by playing on the fears of Canadians that they might lose some democratic rights.
Bobby Nerves 4/3/2014 11:45:03 AM Report

Nice to see the midget horseback on that dog, he's hyper today.

speed make them talk profusely.
Bobby Nerves 4/3/2014 11:47:36 AM Report

Grump, I don't think this people can take anymore pizzle dizzle chezzle for today. They're gonna be constipated for the whole weekend.
right wing 4/3/2014 11:48:25 AM Report

notpc

Exactly, and most, unfortunately not all, can see that exact point that you are making.
Trust me though, the opposition will find some hermit living in the back country with no I.D. so that they can have a media parade.
David Poluck 4/3/2014 11:53:16 AM Report

notpc,
Good post.
Grump 4/3/2014 11:53:16 AM Report

Hey Steely don't you just wish you had any class at all along with some of your pals?
Grump 4/3/2014 12:02:17 PM Report

not pc and rw you are correct in our world everyone has ID but that is apparently not so in other's worlds. As I said before when Sheila was after Chretian she was the queen of credibility and accounting, now that she is after Harper all this has changed? Go give your heads a shake, you can't use one set of rules for accountability and change them for the same thing in another case.
Hunter101 4/3/2014 12:02:23 PM Report

notpc has said it all. You want to argue with that? Then you're a moron.
bounder 4/3/2014 12:09:39 PM Report

Looks like Grump is cheesed, just found out that he may not be able to vote, nobody can vouch for him if this goes through , including his mumble jumble pal B.N.
Wicket 4/3/2014 12:10:12 PM Report

OMG, one person makes a typo on a word and it is going to be on the posts every day chastising him. Give it a rest, grow up, move on, get a life!
right wing 4/3/2014 12:39:58 PM Report

Grump

How is it that she is "after Harper".
Comparing the two situations is complete idiocy...I may enjoy rattling your cage but I really didn't think you were that dumb.
My bad I guess.


right wing 4/3/2014 12:42:27 PM Report

Wicket

Really.
Some harmless fun at the King (Gump) of insults expense.
Chastising him of all people....

Thanks for my laugh for the day.
Wisenheimer 4/3/2014 12:59:47 PM Report

Undecided .. G8 article this am in Globe and Mail. G had 8 when data compiled.
Grump ... "compiled" means "got" in cave man talk.
notpc 4/3/2014 1:10:53 PM Report

Grump

As I said before, Fraser may have some valid points to make regarding the Elections Act, but when she says that it would "disenfranchise thousands of Canadians" she damages her credibility somewhat because that statement is so blatantly false. It makes it look like either she doesn't know about the list of acceptable ID, or that she actually does have an anti-Conservative agenda in making these statements. I hope she doesn't, but when a woman in her position makes such a silly mistake regarding one part of her statement, it makes it harder to believe otherwise.
theprotector 4/3/2014 1:47:54 PM Report

who cares, nothing important here
mvnnth 4/3/2014 2:53:42 PM Report

I'm sure that all of you are aware that Sheila Fraser isn't the first to criticize the Fair Elections Act. In fact there are a number of academics, who have added their voices to Canada's opposition party's, that have raised red flags. Among them are 19 university professors from all over the world who have written an open letter that was featured in an article in the G & M a couple of weeks ago. They see danger in this act, in particular, the changes proposed would “undermine the integrity of the Canadian electoral process, diminish the effectiveness of Elections Canada, reduce voting rights, expand the role of money in politics and foster partisan bias in election administration,” they write. I don't remember any party that has taken the liberties ( possibly criminal) with the electoral process than the PC's. These people are not the ones to reform this system. I (and a growing number of others) don't trust them.
Hunter101 4/3/2014 3:26:05 PM Report

mvnnth, if you trust any politician/political party then you don't deserve anything but to get screwed.
right wing 4/3/2014 3:29:31 PM Report

mvnnth

...and professor Norris stated this:

“Basically, electoral fraud is an urban myth. It’s not a real thing, by and large. There are some problems, but it’s not a widespread problem,” she said.

...and lets not forget what spawned the birth of this entire act.

notpc 4/3/2014 3:29:58 PM Report

mvnnth

I read the letter by the professors and just as Sheila Fraser may have valid concerns, so might the professors. But just like Fraser, they make the same false claim that students, seniors in long term care facilities, aboriginals, etc will lack ID and will be disenfranchised. That is the complaint that is most likely to resonate with the voting public so that is probably why they make it, but it is the same complaint that is so obviously false.
right wing 4/3/2014 3:36:13 PM Report

"The open letter, provided to The Globe and Mail"
So these 19 professors from around the world just happened to read about this Canadian issue and all decided to write to the Globe and Mail......
Nothing was solicited here...honest.
BIG BROTHER 4/3/2014 3:42:04 PM Report

'..and lets not forget what spawned the birth of this entire act.'

Yup, I know. It was slimey cons. attempting to beat the system and were caught redhandewd. They are mad that the Elections Officer has the power to investigate them and point out their fraudulent acts.

Every nation, every person who has actually read the act, think it is over-reaching. And we should all trust Harper and his gang of miscreants.
BIG BROTHER 4/3/2014 3:43:57 PM Report

This blog is an example of the miscreant make-up of the con party.
right wing 4/3/2014 3:48:42 PM Report

Big Bro

Now provide us with the link(s) that proves the charges that you flap your lips about.
Wicket 4/3/2014 3:50:33 PM Report

right wing, I wasn't talking about the insults, repetitive digs about the same thing which involved a friggin' typo....
BIG BROTHER 4/3/2014 3:57:27 PM Report

You're the 'google king'. Look it up yourself. It's just about everywhere you look, but you have to at least look.
Bobby Nerves 4/3/2014 3:58:08 PM Report


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKCSFDHqJpk
right wing 4/3/2014 3:58:31 PM Report

Wicket

Glad you can easily categorize and justify in your world.


Good for you, you are a good friend to Gump, I understand.

;)
right wing 4/3/2014 4:02:17 PM Report

Big Bro

Ha...I just love it when you do your Red faced rants....

I don't have to look it up.
After an exhaustive investigation an Elections Canada officer made one allegation against a junior campaign worker that resulted in charges.

Alleged and against one person after an in depth investigation...yep us slimy neo-cons, according to one we are a bunch of morons and then according to another a clever bunch that can outwit the RCMP and Elections Canada.
Bobby Nerves 4/3/2014 4:06:35 PM Report

Mini mini white ring vs beautiful Bobby Kansas Midget Wrestling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0QytbZwk4c
bounder 4/3/2014 4:12:53 PM Report

Wicket the latest appointee by Grump, he's now the new shot caller.
Watch yourselves, they're never wrong.
right wing 4/3/2014 4:13:44 PM Report

bounder

I believe "he's" a "she".
Grump 4/3/2014 4:18:17 PM Report

Thanks Wicket but we are dealing with Harperites here that seem willing to do or say anything to protect Steve. If this is allowed to go through there will come a time when it will be our turn to get thrown under the bus. Anyone who can not see that this whole bill is slanted to give Harper and his merry band of incompetents a large advantage are either blind or as dumb as hell which I believe to be true. The report that Poilivre is quoting as verbatim agrees that voter fraud is minimal if at all, which is far from what Poilivre is stating. There are problems with the Administration of the Elections Act. This is just a B.S. Tory excuse to stack the deck over a problem that is non existent. They got caught overspending, robo calls etc. so need something new to give them an advantage. So now you all say oh! it's OK for the gang that stacked the deck last election to write some new rules. Give me a break you can't all be that stupid.
Grump 4/3/2014 4:26:28 PM Report

rw you just supported my point, there is no problem so why in the hell are they screwing around with the act. Anyone should know it's to gain a huge advantage over their rivals. That is against everything that Canada was built on and it's called democracy. Now which one of you will tell me that Harper gives a furry rat's butt for that?
right wing 4/3/2014 4:28:24 PM Report

"They got caught"

A completely fabricated accusation.

...from Grump, the same guy that uses these words in lecturing conservatives...

"that seem willing to do or say anything"

Do you see the double standard at all in what you state Grump?
..it's rhetorical, so don't bother
Grump 4/3/2014 4:31:34 PM Report

Bounder I may well be wrong once in a while but I'm not a blatant B.S.er like you. You can play dodge ball all you want but folks who are not truthful are not believed even when they tell the truth. Think about that hot shot.
Grump 4/3/2014 4:38:04 PM Report

rw stuff you and the same tired old excuse, somebody else did it so it's OK for Harper to do it too. Where do you think you are Kindergarten because that's how they might act? No Prime Minister in Canada's history has gone to the out and out crooked lengths that Harper has. No small wonder as he has Baby Bush's advisors, advising him.
right wing 4/3/2014 4:41:02 PM Report

This is what crops up as the main point made over and over again on the Elections Act.
Same claim different author....

"NDP Leader Tom Mulcair says the bill discriminates against seniors, members of First Nations and young people, who might not always have appropriate ID and who "don't necessarily vote Conservative."

Wow.
So the NDP, amongst others, are basically stating that the First Nations, Seniors and young people are just not very responsible Canadians.
They continually walk around without the appropriate I.D.
Really????
If I was one of those groups I'd be insulted by those accusations.
The puncher of course being that they "don't necessarily vote Conservative."

This from groups that like to use the term "far reaching", if that statement isn't the definition of far reaching....
right wing 4/3/2014 4:43:38 PM Report

Uh Grump....can you show me where I said anything about "somebody else did it" or made a comparison of such...

Focus Grump, focus, breath through your mouth and then out through your nose....
Grump 4/3/2014 4:44:25 PM Report

I think I'll be back later when the adults surface. You and Bounder are both long on the same substance.
right wing 4/3/2014 4:46:17 PM Report

Run Forest...run...

It's what you always do when the hard questions are asked.
Grump 4/3/2014 4:46:23 PM Report

rw 4.28 now claim it was to mean something else. We haven't had our full quota of B.S. yet.
bounder 4/3/2014 4:46:31 PM Report

Grump there's mutiny in your ranks,Wicket is tired of you posting the same crap everyday.
Go get something to eat and get back to me.
right wing 4/3/2014 4:59:00 PM Report

Grump, grump, grump....just what to do with you.
You're like one of those round pegs and the square hole...I'm sure your momma had the same issues....anyhows....

Yep that is what I am saying and it states loud and clear what I meant.

Read that post again or perhaps for the first time cause it seems you never even read it...it was completely about your double standards...it had nothing to do with anything else.

David Poluck 4/3/2014 5:03:44 PM Report

Ford not to face criminal charges.
OPP investigation over.
Check out the story on CBC news.
right wing 4/3/2014 5:06:50 PM Report

David Poluck

...been following that one.
Ford...the guy that can fall in a pile and come up smelling like a rose.
right wing 4/3/2014 5:07:58 PM Report

"I think I'll be back later when the adults surface."

Code for "I'll come back when there are more of my liberal pals to back me up".

David Poluck 4/3/2014 5:10:12 PM Report

RW..a rare talent indeed!
Oldie Goldie 4/3/2014 5:29:52 PM Report

I worked at a Polling booth for Elections Canada a few years back and I was baffled by the number of people who showed up to vote with no I.D. of any kind on their person.
They just assumed that they would be eligible.
Fortunately, some of them had someone else to vouch for them.
Take away the Vouch package and there will be many legal voters unable to vote at the next Election.
Sheila Fraser is right on !
right wing 4/3/2014 5:31:27 PM Report

David Poluck

Not sure if I'd call it a talent but I get your meaning.
Part of it is the guy just has no shame, period.
He is one of the most "open book" politicians I've ever met.
He lies, gets caught and simply shrugs it off with an "yep you caught me".
He is definitely an enigma.
Jimmy Kimmel had Bill Clinton on and what did they talk about...Rob Ford.
right wing 4/3/2014 5:34:27 PM Report

How many people was that Oldie...just an estimate is good enough.
I also want to know if they were First Nation, seniors or young people and how many belonged to each group.
...again an estimation is good enough.

Thank you.
right wing 4/3/2014 5:48:05 PM Report

I should clarify that I have never actually met Rob Ford....I should stated "known of".
rockbanger 4/3/2014 5:49:25 PM Report

Sorry to change the topic...

I am having a hard time watching this Russia vs. NATO thing.

I really do not want to see us need to send troops and machinery to Europe again...

100 years ago we got sucked into a First World War.

Is this WW3?

My concern is for my son... Do not want him or his friends to become cannon fodder for right wing screwballs.

Just a worry... Any thoughts?

Wild Turkey 4/3/2014 6:09:37 PM Report

@Rockbanger---If Nato accepts Ukraine and Moldova as members we may have a problem.All Nato members are obligated to protect each other.
Also these two countries are buffers between Russia and the West.Nato membership for them could be deemed a provocation by Russia.
Wild Turkey 4/3/2014 6:18:12 PM Report

@R.W.---re Oldie Goldie post.Do you need exact figures for every discussion?
It is obvious to me that no vouching- no I.D.-no vote is a potential problem.
Thanks Oldie for bringing this useful tid- bit into the discussion.
It beats the heck out of speculation and hear-say.
You sure can't beat experience.
rockbanger 4/3/2014 6:18:49 PM Report

Yes I hear you.

The mentality of we must start something big right now is what scares me...

When Hitler took the Sedatin-Lands (sorry about spelling) he took it by force or tanks rolling in.

What I see from European media is Crimea cheering the move back to Russia via a vote.

Is war the only thing we can think of? Our war economy is outdated and our leadership in Canada appears to be more concerned with appeasing American ideologies than true leadership.

Now if Putin uses force to expand into Ukraine that is a different story...

But we is the west still talk about war in Europe as a must do... Can we not think of alternative means to negotiate this?

Notice that today in Russia they want to stop using the American Dollar as the payment method for Russian oil and gas... This is the real reason the US media is painting the entire Crimea situation as a necessary war..No Questions Asked.

The west needs real leadership and not war minded leadership.

I still do not want to see my son and his age group wiped out to protect America's brainwashing.

Pray for Peace. Ask a Veteran how glorious war is.
right wing 4/3/2014 6:20:12 PM Report

rockbanger

No worries, Obama is no JFK.

He likes his remote control planes and that is about it.

right wing 4/3/2014 6:24:25 PM Report

Wild Turkey

I was simply expanding on the opposition's, and apparently 19 professors, belief that those that are the most affected by not having proper I.D. is First Nations, seniors and the young.
As you pointed out, nothing like experience and since Oldie stated he had some first hand it was a valid question.

Next....
right wing 4/3/2014 6:26:38 PM Report

...and I stated "estimates" not exact figures.

Should be easy enough unless all of the voters that did not have I.D. were wearing "hoodies"....
rockbanger 4/3/2014 6:33:04 PM Report

Obama with his drones.
JFK was a man of peace.

How does this stop a large scale conflict in Europe in 2014?

The war machine is crying for something like this. Dropping the US dollar as the world reserve currency will bring us big troubles. Russia is not alone and has support of major energy producing countries and China.

The middle east wars stalled in Syria when Putin embarrassed the western gas attack mis-information. Then Putin took back the Crimea... Putin is a leader...good or bad. The west is run by large weapons manufacturers and energy giants.

But, I suppose asking a serious question about world conflict is senseless on this forum.

Sorry.

Have a good day. Pray for Peace
notpc 4/3/2014 6:34:16 PM Report

oldiegoldie

Most other democracies require ID to vote, so for Canada to require it is not an unusual thing. People who show up at a polling station with no ID just aren't thinking straight. If one needs ID to board a plane, buy a gun and ammunition, get a health card, set up a bank account, buy a car, and any number of other things in our society, surely it's not too much to ask of a person to prove his identity to vote.
right wing 4/3/2014 6:40:37 PM Report

rockbanger

Read about JFK and the Cuban Missile Crisis.
I was being serious in my remarks, since you brought the topic (Russia and WW-3) up I assumed you understood a lot more about Russia and the cold war.

Peace and goodbye.
Wicket 4/3/2014 6:45:30 PM Report

Bounder, - really, what have I ever said to you and right wing - yes, I am a good friend - to everybody! I have never met a stranger, am friendly to and with everyone despite their attitudes.
rockbanger 4/3/2014 6:57:04 PM Report

right wing
do you read?

JFK diffused the Cuban Missile Crisis by standing up to the USSR, He had to. Was he suppose to play checkers with Kruschev? That was an immediate threat 90 miles from the US.. Not a conflict in the middle of Europe.

JFK inherited the previous administrations desire to overtake Cuba. The Bay of Pigs was an example of JFK not going along with the previous thinking. Cost him his life.

But he averted a nuclear war. Yes a man of Peace.
Try reading some history books.. Not the Enquirer.

Good Night for sure.
Bobby Nerves 4/3/2014 6:59:29 PM Report

Some should register as mensa member.
right wing 4/3/2014 7:04:19 PM Report

rockbanger

The fact that JFK stood up to Russia is exactly my point.
If you are going to do so then you have to have the balls and the conviction to "push the button", right.
You seemed worried about a WW-3 due to Russia...it ain't going to happen without the U.S. leading the charge and I was simply pointing out that Obama is no JFK when it comes to that.
That JFK lost his life for that is your opinion and far from a fact.
...and I do read, a lot.
Sorry if my answer/opinion was not what you were looking for.

Good night.
right wing 4/3/2014 7:08:34 PM Report

...guess we better not talk about the (failed) Bay of Pigs invasion.....
DutchTouch 4/3/2014 7:13:41 PM Report

Oh darn!!!! Another winter storm in the forecast.
Will winter ever end????
This is "daffodil month".
Has anyone seen any popping up in their flower beds??
I didn't think so.
right wing 4/3/2014 7:15:01 PM Report

...or that Sarah Palin....you all remember Sarah, the vice-presidential nominee in the 2008 US presidential campaign....well Palin warned that if Barack Obama was elected president then Russia would be likely to invade Ukraine.
rockbanger 4/3/2014 7:16:30 PM Report

right wing...

You made me realize how I have went astray from my concern. the concern is averting a major conflict in Europe in the 21st century.

Bickering with you is ridiculous. We are arguing the same item really and have gone to our own corners.

We should be thankful JFK stopped a NUCLEAR WAR.

Just wonder...
You don't think Oswald was a lone nut do you? Also as you are so well read you must have a method to avert 'War in the Ukraine?

All the best and nice try at arguing!
This was fun.

rockbanger 4/3/2014 7:19:23 PM Report

Sarah Palin

LOL

Now I know you have a sense of humour.

Again how do we stop the coming big war in Europe? Going off topic is a slimy method of debate.

But that is very funny...

Oldie Goldie 4/3/2014 7:19:33 PM Report

notpc : Yes everyone should have some form of I.D. but they don't always bring it with them when they come to vote. That is what I said from my experiences at Polling Stations.
Why they don't bring their I.D. with them is beyond me but it does happen often. I recall allowing, at least, 5 voters to vote by someone vouching for them. Most of them were Seniors.
If 5 voters were refused permission to vote at every Polling Station that would be a lot of Voters.
That is what Sheila Fraser was talking about.

The Vouching allowance should not be removed if Elections are to be fair.

Most of those who needed the Vouch System were honest, law abiding Citizens
in my opinion.
Grump 4/3/2014 7:23:46 PM Report

rockbanger I'm with you, we have an incompetent Prime Minister trying to twist Putin's tail. Then he sends in the gay bulldog like a bull in a china shop. He may not start WW3 but you can bet your last buck that Canada will have trouble in the Artic from Putin over the actions of this pair. We are not a major world power so these clowns should be back here trying to fix the mess they made of things. rw you seem to batting 300 at jamming your foot in your mouth to night. Probably time to go play with your crayons.
rockbanger 4/3/2014 7:36:07 PM Report

right wing

No hard feelings towards yourself or Grump...

In the end if a nasty war breaks out and we are sending our children... we will all be very upset.

Meant this dialogue to make us all think of options.
By good people like us all not telling our conservative government to stand down and negotiate, this would be a critical mistake. Major mistake.

Options to de-escalate the Ukraine is what we need not bickering amongst friends and allies.

Pray for Peace

p.s. Sarah Palin can see Russia from her house..LOL
flyhawk25 4/3/2014 7:46:49 PM Report

I've been reading this site all day and shaking my head.
But the Sarah Palin comment is as nutty as anything I've read.She isn't even worth discrediting because her failed ambition speaks for itself.
statusquo 4/3/2014 7:50:07 PM Report

And now something about cars.

The latest GM debacle about malfunctioning ignition switches.

The media is all over it as they were when Toyotas were "allegedly" accelerating out of control.
What I have an issue with is the headline with accompanying pictures of badly mangled cars, followed by..."GM knew about the problem and it would have cost them 57 cents to fix it."

Bullshit!

What this tells the public is that...
1. GM doesn't value life more than 57 cents
2. If your ignition switch fails you will DIE!

Bullshit!

First of, GM did not know about those failures until the affected cars were sold and driven. 57 cents might have fixed the problem at the assembly line level, but not on a recall. A repair of that sort would cost on average $200.00.
Multiply that by what?...200...300 thousand units?
Still, and I agree that the vehicles should have been recalled sooner.

Now, a failing ignition switch is mostly an inconvenience, it would RARELY...R A R E L Y lead to serious injuries or death.
Scenario one....driving at 120 or above on the 401. Ignition switch fails. Engine shuts off and vehicle will decelerate gradually. You will lose power steering (not a concern at speeds above 40km/hr) and air bag deployment ,but you will still have power brakes for at least 5 to 7 hard pumps! Car will coast to the curb. No need to have an accident.
Scenario two...city driving...lets pick Younge Street in Toronto, speed is 40 50, 60...maybe 80 km but I doubt it will reach 80 let alone exceed that speed inside the city. Switch fails and again the vehicle will slow down. Worst that can happen is you get rear ended... maybe!...possible but unlikely!At those speeds the result is mostly material and rarely personal injury!
But now we have reports of serious injury and even death. To that I say...bullshit!

Is it possible? Yes it is. Is it likely? No!

It is the same hysteria that Toyota and Audi experienced with "unintended" acceleration.
It could never be proven yet Toyota had to pony up.

Furthermore, from what I have been researching and from correspondence with GM technicians, the fault is most likely caused by distortion of the key cylinder due to too many things hanging from the keychain and thereby overpowering the detent and causing a temporary loss of contact with two or three circuits.
But the hysteria to the point of having a Senate hearing is a sign of our litigious society trying to put the blame on the "Big Bad Corporation".

I cannot count the times I have warned folks about rather iffy issues with their suspension or steering components or heavy corrosion on their brake lines and yet I get a response like "I cannot afford it right now". But a rather minor glitch that should not cause any accident in most situations if it is even remotely attributable to the manufacturers ,then all hell breaks lose and they want compensation.
Badly maintained old pieces of crap that should not be on the road pose a far greater danger on our roads than malfunctioning ignition switches that more than likely malfunction because people hang just about anything on the key chain.
The reported accidents happened mainly due to inattention and god knows what, but since the issue of bad ignition switches came up lets all blame GM and hope we get some money out of it.




mallet 4/3/2014 8:14:55 PM Report


RW, Rocky, Grump...

I am going to play devils advocte here... Why do wars break out.. Basically because someone wants something that someone else has... In this case it is Power... Putin thinks Obama has it so he wants it.. By nibbling off the Crimea... without firing a shot... and doing a "CIA' in the Eastern Ukraine, fermenting unrest so he has a valid (in his mind) reason to go and stabilise the area. Now comes the interesting part, because we, the US and other countries in the EU have high unemployment, there is a ready (and willing) amount of cannon fodder, and the military eqipment manufacturers lobby will be putting the screws to anyone they have help elect in the recent past. Do not forget the State and Provinces that have lost military bases/camps/harbours and airfileds who would like to have that wage and tax base back as well. And after you have boiled it all down, it is about the money and who will get it...

Rockbanger... Neville and his buddies gave the Czechoslovakia Sudetland to Hitler in the appeasement agreement with France, to basically "play" for time, to build up their forces, didn't work out too well though!!
BIG BROTHER 4/3/2014 8:40:21 PM Report

People should read before they make silly statements...we all know most people have ID. How many people have ID with their address on it, other than their drivers license. That is the requirement that this bill carries.

notpc....you listed about 7 different IDès that someone should have. None of them have your address on them. That is a problem, now dontcha think..
mallet 4/3/2014 8:42:25 PM Report


Oldie Goldie...

I agree it is not a great threat to democracy, however having said that, certain people who are dressed head to toe with just a peep hole to look through how are they to be vouched for?? Could they not vote as many times as they can get people to vouch for them, namely friends and relatives?? I do not believe that it a monster problem but in some ridings where the vote is close it could be, could it not? How about the way it is done in some countries, a thumb print with indelible ink?? or would that intrude on someones privacy. I may be wrong but to vote in Federal Elections do you not have to be a Canadian Citizen?? in which case you should have a citizenship card and most people who are born here have a birth certificate. It is my opinion that this is another mole hill being made into a mountain and fostered by anyone who has an axe to grind..
BIG BROTHER 4/3/2014 8:45:29 PM Report

There was a greatr article in the Globe the other day. Actually an editorial. The basic premise.....Harper should shut the f*&? up. Let the big boys do their thing. He is nothing but an irritant to Obama. Canada is the least equipped to go to war in all of the G8. Harper was quoted in 2003 that we should be signing on with the Americans in Iraq.

He is on par with his right wing brothers in the US. Total lack of respect for Obama. It helps explain his stupid play in Israel also. But, it is going to come back and bite us on the ass.
BIG BROTHER 4/3/2014 8:48:01 PM Report

Your birth certificate doesnèt come with your address on it mallet.
mallet 4/3/2014 8:51:45 PM Report


Big Brother...

Gee, I dunno.. let me see. my DL. possesion permit, Fac, carry permit and all they have to do is swipe my health card. That's 4 or 5 right there, but i would have thought any governemnt issued card with photo and a letter addressed to you from a company MC Visa welfare letter should serve to identify you...
mallet 4/3/2014 8:54:14 PM Report


Sorry B B..
I was thinking of the UK long form birth certificate which gives the parents work and address on it..
lookaround 4/3/2014 9:02:01 PM Report

Hunter likes the word "moron" His complete vocabulary. Sad buddy and hey pathetic also. Really pathetic.
lookaround 4/3/2014 9:21:17 PM Report

Beef prices are going up due to the devastating drought because of global warming.
BIG BROTHER 4/3/2014 9:39:56 PM Report

mallet,
You mentioned 3 more. The DL is the only almost universal, which I already mentioned, but it isnt a for sure. The others are specific. My outdoors card doesnèt. Swiping the Health card is a stretch. They should put that in the bill then. If they accept Master card bills, they didnèt stipulate. But you can see, they are restrictive, as to who is eligible.

This is only one issue and dum dum was disgusted that people wouldnèt have an ID. And I say it is still very possible that people may not, in spite of your bull also..
statusquo 4/3/2014 9:41:33 PM Report

BB

"There was a greatr article in the Globe the other day. Actually an editorial. The basic premise.....Harper should shut the f*&? up."

Harper is a bit player in a game where he has no say, no pull and zero credibility. The Ukrainian situation is nobody's business but Putin's. The West should shut up and stay out of it.
The Ukraine is getting their fair due. They have been flapping their lips for far too long and now they pay...as they should! The Ukraine always had bigger aspirations to raise to greater glory, not too long ago they thought the Nazis where the cats ass .
They were playing with fire and now Putin is putting them in their place. Harper and the West should stay home and shut up. He is an embarrassment abroad and at home.
Playing big boy politics is not suited to a wannabe teabagger, spawned from the Reform party, a band of brothers comprised of delusional fundamentalist Christian nutbags .

BIG BROTHER 4/3/2014 10:01:02 PM Report

Ièm astounded by the audacity of the man. He is upstaging Obama, Merkel and the rest of the leaders who may actually have the ability to act on their words. And they are being much more cautious with those words.

The more I understand about the situation, the more I agree with your sentiment that we should stay out of the situation also. The Ukraine just had a revolution. They ousted a democratically elected President. The power vacuum created is very unstable and Putin is right to be a little concerned.
rockbanger 4/4/2014 6:48:22 AM Report

Hey..... we are discussing it now.

Talking about the weather is not going to do much for the threat of GTNW.. Global Thermonuclear War.

Glad I stirred up the pot...

Now call Harper we have a conservative member here in town...Forgot his name considering how much he has done for the SOo..... BUT, ask him if we will take rubbles for our Tar Sands energy products.

Now you are awake or some of us appear to be.. For those that are aware of this situation we must do something.

The world's power structure sold the First and Second World Wars because there was little mass and quick media at that time. Today the power structure cannot shove horse dung down anyone's throats..
Speak up, unless you want to see war and millions of innocent people killed?

Pray for Peace.
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